Edgy Bitch No.255

I remember trying to convince my young (12-14) male students that feminists didn’t hate men and that the man hating feminist was a myth and it wasn’t about women being above men etc. etc. but like damn you guys make it fucking hard. Why do I decide to look at the feminists on tumblr is it’s like this

Like at what point after you advocate for genocide do you stop and think, is this a good thing? I would type the whole Paulo Freire quote but it’s really overdone at this point

It’s been 2 months since I posted this and largely forgot about it and after 2 long months of self reflection

I’m still right lmao, idk what you mf’s are on but it really feels less like y’all want change and more like you want to talk for the sake of it lmao

Especially the terfs, what is wrong with yall

I remember trying to convince my young (12-14) male students that feminists didn’t hate men and that the man hating feminist was a myth and it wasn’t about women being above men etc. etc. but like damn you guys make it fucking hard. Why do I decide to look at the feminists on tumblr is it’s like this

Like at what point after you advocate for genocide do you stop and think, is this a good thing? I would type the whole Paulo Freire quote but it’s really overdone at this point

One would think a teacher of all people would know the meaning of the word "genocide" .

I just said it because of the image In the post that said they wanted a genocide.

I was going to put something eloquent here about dont you ever feel its more important for them to understand how incredibly opressed women are and how they are contributing and how they're probably already harrassing the girls, thinking less of them, feel entitled to touching them, talking over them, not having to help as much as them, being assumed to be smarter...

Don't you ever feel its more important for them to understand that seing womens and girls pain and discomfort shouldn't be something they laugh about, but empathize with the way girls learn to empathize with other humans? How can you be so delusional that you work with those kids and see how they act (because I know they act just like all little boys do) and just not recognize it? Not look at it? Do you also insist to the white boys that black rights activists don't hate them? Do you try hard to convince a wolf that the sheep doesn't fear them?

I am just disgusted by this very idea that boys need to be assured that the only people in the WORLD that fight for female liberation doesn't hate their opressors? Its pathetic. Really I hope there are no female students during these conversations. The very IDEA that boys are being taught about feminism by someone like you makes me worry even more for our future.

What kind of men will they grow up to be? The kind of men who look at a "me too" - movement, who looks at a "stop prostitution" - movement, and say, but this isn't about ME and my RIGHTS. That's what you are teaching them. More male entitlement.

Disgusting.

Are you also going to visit reddit and 4chan and look at all the forums they will probably frequent in just a few years, what are they called? "Used holes"? "Cumsluts"? What about the "mens rights movement" who are literally fighting to make women second class citizens at best and livestock at worst, and tell the girls "dont worry ladies, these men that actively rape and hurt women all over the world EVERY SINGLE DAY they don't ~hate~ you. They just think you are breedingcattle!"? Would you do that with the same intensity you are raising their opressors?

Or is it way more important that the boys know that some women make posts on tumblr.

I guess its true what they say in this horrible society women's words are considered violence.

I really can tell that most people replying to me have never convinced anyone of their point before, you think telling people “no they don’t hate you” so they listen to the point is going to make teach them male entitlement is insane, but I suppose it’s what years of preaching to the choir does to a person. Just in the start of your second paragraph it’s obvious what you know, you think when faced with human suffering people will laugh, you brought up black activists so do you think when white Americans saw the corpse of emmett till it wasn’t what brought them to the civil rights movement?Do you think that seeing children attacked by dogs for protesting wasn’t what gained the civil rights movement wide spread support but it was instead Malcolm X’s books about the white devil. yes we convince the wolf that the sheep doesn’t fear them because that’s how we make sheep dogs, not through othering. It’s so obvious to me that in the end you really don’t know how to teach, you think by teaching white students that racial equality is not against them makes them more racist?

You think some random tumblr users vent is comparable to a book by Malcolm X? Now I know you're delusional XD

Dogs are not the predators of sheep either u nitwit, wolves are not dogs.

Yes, if a white person starts saying racist shit, acting in a racist way, and then say "black people hate us" and your response is not to argue the racist shit, but instead try to tell them "black people don't hate you" you will 100% get a more racist student. Because you didn't actually condone the racism. Just as you are very clearly allowing the boys to be misogynistic in favour of wide statements about a group and ideology you seem to know very little about.

About what I know about human suffering or what ever, you're already proving that you don't at all understand what i am writing, maybe your mind can't even see males and females in seperate groups?

MALES see FEMALE suffering and laugh, get annoyed or jerk off.

Those kids have most likely already started doing all of those things. There is nothing "human" about what men do in regards to women. Boys start by find humor in teasing the girls, pulling their hair, pushing them, touching them against their will. This is considered "boys being boys". Absolutely nothing feminists have made up it's a feature of society. In the early teenage years they will start to get into porn and get off on pain and degradation of women. This is also not made up, there are statistics. Well over 50% of all porn contains violence against women and boys connect with eachother, sharing in these videos, no matter how gross and disturbing. They gather together to laugh at them, then they open them at home and jerk off to them. Talk to any young man and most of them aren't even ashamed these days about how they shared rape videos with their friends in the early teen years. "boys being boys isn't it that's just what we did".

As I already said those kids have not ever been in contact with ANY feminist writing and we don't make Tumblr posts for teenaged boys either. So instead of condoning Andrew Tate, instead of actually explaining anything, you make stupid statements about the supposed "feelings" of a fuckin ideology. I already wrote that they get the idea that we hate them from misogynistic men but you're obviously ignoring that part to keep pretending that some 12 year old boy have been on tumblr and is now worried that feminists hate him. Wonder what else they are saying about women and feminists that you're not saying here? Surely it can't only be "they hate us"? Considering the ages it's probably something Tatey but i guess it could have come from any online forum, youtube comments, gaming chats, tiktok. Anywhere the "alt right pipeline" resides. But yea that's also not important to teach them about is it? It's obviously not as important to teach them about fact checking or considering where the information is coming from when you need to coddle the poor babyboys fragile sence of... Hmm, what exactly? That noone is allowed to hate people who do terrible things? 🤔

That women aren't allowed to feel things? Never mind that a ideology doesn't have feelings in the first place.

So let's see here, children attacked by dogs wins the white people over... So by your own logic, you ought to be showing the kids all the violent statica of men, maybe share some videos of female victims of assault? Perhaps truly actually go in to 4chan and reddit and SHOW them what the men do? By your very own reasoning, thats what works? Oh wait. You're not interested in them understanding what feminism, patriarchy or inequality even is.

If you honestly think the reason black people have rights is because white people started to feel pity you are far beyond salvation my dude. Rights are won in war. We are at war with men. They are opressing us. All of them. And you have chosen a side.

If you think that those boys will grow up and see you as a equal human that they can relate to, feel empathy for, you are delusional there simply is no other word for it.

Also, about "convincing"? Noone is responding to your daft takes to convince you. You're obviously beyond saving. You've proved as much with every response and every comment to every critique you've received.

Over and out

All I’m reading is a serious misunderstanding of some points leading to continued miss representation of points

You think it was pity? It was outrage because guess what, people care about injustice. What have you read on the civil rights movement exactly

Unfortunately the school boards will get all pissy over videos but written statistics are given , maybe I can sneak in a barrel filled with cement if possible

Dogs will 100% eat a sheep, do you know how many dogs have been shot by farmers because they got off their leash and started attacking sheep? But also guess what wolves used to be.

Also what do you think it just ends with “they don’t hate you” this is insane to me, like think for a second “how is that teaching anyone” it may start with something like “what you’ve been told is wrong” but that’s if they already have preconceived notions (they usually do) to make them listen to what will be said before, you wouldn’t listen to any point made by someone on 4chan because you know they 100% despise you right.

Yeah the weird thing about the whole tateyness which I’m sure you know of is it focuses a lot less on women at the beginning and more on the boys insecurities themselves, a lot of “real men do x” and “real men have y” and that if they aren’t a “real man” they won’t be able to be happy or fulfilled or whatever they want in life. one of those things they say a real man has is women, serving to reduce women to an object they need to be considered a real man which fuels their entitlement to woman’s bodies because if they don’t have it then they aren’t one, which in turn fuels misogyny and sexual violence teaching fact checking is important but against this, which relies so little on facts and purely on emotions that it’s not effective. The same way a religious system can make their followers kill themselves and others for the promise of happiness and fulfilment the patriarchy does the exact same for young men, this drive to fit this mould set for them firstly by gaining access to woman’s bodies through dating is swiftly curbed by failure in dating which pushes them towards incel spaces which will tell them “it’s feminisms fault etc etc” send them a few videos of Ben Shapiro a few screenshots of something taken out of context and send them on the continued spiral, there is a lot to deconstruct in that but much easier than teaching proper skepticism and fact checking ability (which really should be taught anyway) is really going to the beginning and teaching them that this dream of a real man that they were told to chase doesn’t exist

Anyway your probably reading this angry if you’re reading this at all, I’d advise waiting for a bit to reply if you are (angry I mean) it makes discussion a lot more fun

I remember trying to convince my young (12-14) male students that feminists didn’t hate men and that the man hating feminist was a myth and it wasn’t about women being above men etc. etc. but like damn you guys make it fucking hard. Why do I decide to look at the feminists on tumblr is it’s like this

Like at what point after you advocate for genocide do you stop and think, is this a good thing? I would type the whole Paulo Freire quote but it’s really overdone at this point

Where is the outrage towards countries who actually do selectively abort or murder born female babies out of hatred and population control , rather than making jokes about it on tumblr.

Honestly the fact that your 12-14yo male students are already starting the “feminists just hate men!” “feminism is a hate movement!” bullshit and making it your job to teach them that feminism can be defanged for their pleasure means they’re already misogynists and maybe you should be more worried about that than about some women being angry about suffering male oppression since time immemorial on the internet.

Also lol at “advocate for genocide” while ignoring the fact that men are literally enacting a global femicide right now complete with forcing their wives and girlfriends to go through sex-selective abortions to only have sons and murdering female infants because they hate women that much. And that’s not even getting into the catastrophic rates of rape and domestic violence women endure. And all of the other ways men oppress women. But I guess that’s not as serious of a problem as some women on the internet not liking men. Somehow countries like China having wiped out so many baby girls and had so many sex-selective abortions that there is a drastic imbalance of the sexes isn’t “genocide,” but a single woman on Tumblr.com tagging a post with “#female supremacy” is.

They are 12, they aren’t exactly anything yet, you people give up much too easily imagine a 12 year old believes the earth is flat because that’s just what they’ve seen and so you just dismiss them as a flat earther forever

Also I’ve said this like 5 times but you can be mad at 2 things at once, weirdly enough you can actually be more mad at one thing than others, like I’m slightly annoyed in my post above but you just assume it’s my top priority

So would you say the same if your students were saying racist shit? Or if they were talking about how (r-slur) people don’t need rights or something? Twelve year old boys can absolutely be misogynistic - it doesn’t mean they’ll stay that way, but if they’re out here saying “feminism is evil and feminists hate men!” they’re misogynists right now. And honestly, the best way to help them isn’t to cater to their hurt feelings over women wanting liberation from male oppression by dismissing and erasing women’s rightful anger - it’s to educate them on why women are angry and why they should care. Teach them about how women have been oppressed by men for untold generations and how that must change and they should support that change, instead of making it all about them and how the movement must cater to them.

All you’re doing is teaching them that even in feminism, a movement to liberate women from male oppression, men are still the most important people in the world and men should always be catered to. You’re also teaching them that liberation movements have to be pleasant and polite to their oppressors or else they are invalid, which is wrong.

As for the last bit.. you’re the one who made this whole post accusing women of being “genocidal” against men for posting a couple of vent tags on Tumblr.com. You tell on yourself with this whole post, which is transparently about protecting and prioritizing the feelings of men and shutting women up. It is not only inaccurate but it is offensive and misogynistic and disgusting to label a handful of vent posts on a social media website “genocide” when actual genocides are out there really happening. This is not “genocide”. You look ridiculous and ignorant and misogynistic as all hell even saying that word in relation to these posts. And yes, it makes it abundantly clear that you care more about male feelings - where hurting them is apparently “genocide”! - than female lives.

If you gave a shit about violence against women and girls, you wouldn’t be out here shaming women on Tumblr for saying “#femalesupremacy” you’d be teaching your misogynistic gremlin students that feminism is a necessary, vital liberation movement of an oppressed and marginalized group that they need to support and that their hurt feelings about women being mean to their oppressors don’t change that and shouldn’t be centered.

once again males will kill, rape, forcibly impregnate and prostitute women, yet somehow moids and their worshipers alike will think intelligent women hating them for it or being angry for it or calling it out are just as bad.

Recently 14 year old boy in Raipur, raped and murdered an 8 year old girl. Earlier this year a boy of the same age, did it to a 10 year old girl in Wisconsin, and you want to tell us “they aren’t exactly anything yet”. They’re capable of understanding what they’re doing is wrong. You coddling them, and their feelings on this, is only going to cause the status quo to be maintained, that women must put male feelings above our own, ans above our safety. Fuck you.

You’ve shown me two murders and with these you hope to condemn all children? What exactly was your point here, I say they can still be taught otherwise and you show me two children who weren’t and then what? You have a lot of anger but who is that directed at exactly. Me for trying to combat misogyny in a way that isn’t angry enough for you, you want me to verbally abuse these children? To tell them that they are what’s wrong with the word and to kill themselves? Tell me if not with kindness how do you teach, how would you do it? Also why do you feel that trying to combat misogyny at its roots is then neglecting the safety of girls? Do you think there aren’t also girls in my classes I teach and protect as well? Why is it only one or the other to you?

You’re trying to say “these boys are so young! They can’t be misogynists!” By your logic of “they just need to be taught otherwise” no one is racist, or misogynist, or ableist, because they can all be taught otherwise.

“Two children who weren’t taught right from wrong” That’s dismissive and absolutely fucking laughable. You think children aren’t taught that hurting others is wrong? Do you think these boys were genuinely just unaware and had not a sliver of an idea that what they’re doing is fucking evil and are unable to comprehend the consequences of their actions? You think that while those poor little girls were crying, screaming, or struggling those boys didn’t understand there was a fucking issue? Are you fucking kidding me? What do you want me to add the two boys who killed a two year old? The large number of serial killers who skinned and killed animals, brutally? As if it’s difficult to find? You’re trying to argue that these boys are justified in being anti feminist because “The big bad mean tumblr women are angry”. You’re attempting to excuse their misogyny with their age. You’re supposedly a teacher and you’re telling me that these boys never harass the girls? Never snap their bras or pull their hair? Never make gross comments about them? Or is that also excusable because of their age? Shit you might as well just come out and say “boys will be boys” at this fucking point. As already pointed out, you are more concerned with women saying things you don’t agree with online, than addressing the misogyny exhibited by young boys. That’s my fucking issue with you. Pretending that teens are somehow incapable of knowing what they’re doing.

Is their age really that blinding to you? You think they’re just naive little babies? You aren’t combatting misogyny at the root when you’re crying at tumblr women about how we’re supposedly the reason these boys hate women. Likely they’ve never seen our blogs. That’s their opinion because they hear a movement made by and meant for women, not catering to them, and assume it’s hate. We could be the fuzziest little peaches and they will find a reason to hate women.

My logic is that they can be taught otherwise, before they become stuck in what they know because children funnily enough aren’t hateful unless they are taught to. Or are you going to tell me with your same logic that all white people are intrinsically racist in their dna and need to be separated from people of colour. Actually do you believe that the alt right pipeline even exists or that some people are just intrinsically right wing? I’m making it easier for young men to at least adopt feminist ideals while they are still receptive to learning, because people can be taught to do better especially at young ages

This is literally a strawman, I said there is hope to teach young people to be better and your reply is “oh so because they’re young it’s ok if they do bad things” that’s not the point anyone is arguing except the “me” you have come up with in your head.

Also idk if you’ve spoken to 13 year olds before (those are mainly who I work with, i said 12-14 because of birthday shenanigans) but you could convince them of literally anything, they aren’t babies but they are naive as fuck. Also who uses serial killers as an argument for general population, they are quite literally an outlier

What a interesting stand to take. “Men have opressed women for millenia but I am actually such a great Teacher that I can teach boys not to do that! Those millions of female teachers before me? They just weren’t ~good enough~”

I am quite literally the best teacher to ever and will ever exist, but like fr? We got better methods these days, new tech. You think things never improve, imagine a doctor saying “we have a method cured cancer” and just thinking “oh so you think your better than those millions of doctors before you” but also like some of those millions of teachers before me didn’t believe learning disabilities exist, some didn’t believe children could feel pain and/or complex emotions, yeah I am better

I remember trying to convince my young (12-14) male students that feminists didn’t hate men and that the man hating feminist was a myth and it wasn’t about women being above men etc. etc. but like damn you guys make it fucking hard. Why do I decide to look at the feminists on tumblr is it’s like this

Like at what point after you advocate for genocide do you stop and think, is this a good thing? I would type the whole Paulo Freire quote but it’s really overdone at this point

Where is the outrage towards countries who actually do selectively abort or murder born female babies out of hatred and population control , rather than making jokes about it on tumblr.

Honestly the fact that your 12-14yo male students are already starting the “feminists just hate men!” “feminism is a hate movement!” bullshit and making it your job to teach them that feminism can be defanged for their pleasure means they’re already misogynists and maybe you should be more worried about that than about some women being angry about suffering male oppression since time immemorial on the internet.

Also lol at “advocate for genocide” while ignoring the fact that men are literally enacting a global femicide right now complete with forcing their wives and girlfriends to go through sex-selective abortions to only have sons and murdering female infants because they hate women that much. And that’s not even getting into the catastrophic rates of rape and domestic violence women endure. And all of the other ways men oppress women. But I guess that’s not as serious of a problem as some women on the internet not liking men. Somehow countries like China having wiped out so many baby girls and had so many sex-selective abortions that there is a drastic imbalance of the sexes isn’t “genocide,” but a single woman on Tumblr.com tagging a post with “#female supremacy” is.

They are 12, they aren’t exactly anything yet, you people give up much too easily imagine a 12 year old believes the earth is flat because that’s just what they’ve seen and so you just dismiss them as a flat earther forever

Also I’ve said this like 5 times but you can be mad at 2 things at once, weirdly enough you can actually be more mad at one thing than others, like I’m slightly annoyed in my post above but you just assume it’s my top priority

So would you say the same if your students were saying racist shit? Or if they were talking about how (r-slur) people don’t need rights or something? Twelve year old boys can absolutely be misogynistic - it doesn’t mean they’ll stay that way, but if they’re out here saying “feminism is evil and feminists hate men!” they’re misogynists right now. And honestly, the best way to help them isn’t to cater to their hurt feelings over women wanting liberation from male oppression by dismissing and erasing women’s rightful anger - it’s to educate them on why women are angry and why they should care. Teach them about how women have been oppressed by men for untold generations and how that must change and they should support that change, instead of making it all about them and how the movement must cater to them.

All you’re doing is teaching them that even in feminism, a movement to liberate women from male oppression, men are still the most important people in the world and men should always be catered to. You’re also teaching them that liberation movements have to be pleasant and polite to their oppressors or else they are invalid, which is wrong.

As for the last bit.. you’re the one who made this whole post accusing women of being “genocidal” against men for posting a couple of vent tags on Tumblr.com. You tell on yourself with this whole post, which is transparently about protecting and prioritizing the feelings of men and shutting women up. It is not only inaccurate but it is offensive and misogynistic and disgusting to label a handful of vent posts on a social media website “genocide” when actual genocides are out there really happening. This is not “genocide”. You look ridiculous and ignorant and misogynistic as all hell even saying that word in relation to these posts. And yes, it makes it abundantly clear that you care more about male feelings - where hurting them is apparently “genocide”! - than female lives.

If you gave a shit about violence against women and girls, you wouldn’t be out here shaming women on Tumblr for saying “#femalesupremacy” you’d be teaching your misogynistic gremlin students that feminism is a necessary, vital liberation movement of an oppressed and marginalized group that they need to support and that their hurt feelings about women being mean to their oppressors don’t change that and shouldn’t be centered.

once again males will kill, rape, forcibly impregnate and prostitute women, yet somehow moids and their worshipers alike will think intelligent women hating them for it or being angry for it or calling it out are just as bad.

Recently 14 year old boy in Raipur, raped and murdered an 8 year old girl. Earlier this year a boy of the same age, did it to a 10 year old girl in Wisconsin, and you want to tell us “they aren’t exactly anything yet”. They’re capable of understanding what they’re doing is wrong. You coddling them, and their feelings on this, is only going to cause the status quo to be maintained, that women must put male feelings above our own, ans above our safety. Fuck you.

You’ve shown me two murders and with these you hope to condemn all children? What exactly was your point here, I say they can still be taught otherwise and you show me two children who weren’t and then what? You have a lot of anger but who is that directed at exactly. Me for trying to combat misogyny in a way that isn’t angry enough for you, you want me to verbally abuse these children? To tell them that they are what’s wrong with the word and to kill themselves? Tell me if not with kindness how do you teach, how would you do it? Also why do you feel that trying to combat misogyny at its roots is then neglecting the safety of girls? Do you think there aren’t also girls in my classes I teach and protect as well? Why is it only one or the other to you?

You’re trying to say “these boys are so young! They can’t be misogynists!” By your logic of “they just need to be taught otherwise” no one is racist, or misogynist, or ableist, because they can all be taught otherwise.

“Two children who weren’t taught right from wrong” That’s dismissive and absolutely fucking laughable. You think children aren’t taught that hurting others is wrong? Do you think these boys were genuinely just unaware and had not a sliver of an idea that what they’re doing is fucking evil and are unable to comprehend the consequences of their actions? You think that while those poor little girls were crying, screaming, or struggling those boys didn’t understand there was a fucking issue? Are you fucking kidding me? What do you want me to add the two boys who killed a two year old? The large number of serial killers who skinned and killed animals, brutally? As if it’s difficult to find? You’re trying to argue that these boys are justified in being anti feminist because “The big bad mean tumblr women are angry”. You’re attempting to excuse their misogyny with their age. You’re supposedly a teacher and you’re telling me that these boys never harass the girls? Never snap their bras or pull their hair? Never make gross comments about them? Or is that also excusable because of their age? Shit you might as well just come out and say “boys will be boys” at this fucking point. As already pointed out, you are more concerned with women saying things you don’t agree with online, than addressing the misogyny exhibited by young boys. That’s my fucking issue with you. Pretending that teens are somehow incapable of knowing what they’re doing.

Is their age really that blinding to you? You think they’re just naive little babies? You aren’t combatting misogyny at the root when you’re crying at tumblr women about how we’re supposedly the reason these boys hate women. Likely they’ve never seen our blogs. That’s their opinion because they hear a movement made by and meant for women, not catering to them, and assume it’s hate. We could be the fuzziest little peaches and they will find a reason to hate women.

My logic is that they can be taught otherwise, before they become stuck in what they know because children funnily enough aren’t hateful unless they are taught to. Or are you going to tell me with your same logic that all white people are intrinsically racist in their dna and need to be separated from people of colour. Actually do you believe that the alt right pipeline even exists or that some people are just intrinsically right wing? I’m making it easier for young men to at least adopt feminist ideals while they are still receptive to learning, because people can be taught to do better especially at young ages

This is literally a strawman, I said there is hope to teach young people to be better and your reply is “oh so because they’re young it’s ok if they do bad things” that’s not the point anyone is arguing except the “me” you have come up with in your head.

Also idk if you’ve spoken to 13 year olds before (those are mainly who I work with, i said 12-14 because of birthday shenanigans) but you could convince them of literally anything, they aren’t babies but they are naive as fuck. Also who uses serial killers as an argument for general population, they are quite literally an outlier

You literally say “they aren’t exactly anything yet”. They don’t need to be “stuck in misogynistic thinking” to be misogynists. As someone else pointed out, you wouldn’t say “well they aren’t exactly racist because they aren’t stuck in that thinking” as if that matters when I’m identified as black, and called the N word as a result. That’s racism. “I’m making it easier for young men to at least adopt feminist ideals” then instead of trying to defang feminists, why don’t you try asking them: Why do you think those women hate men? Why do you think women are angry at men? No, instead of that you demand we, an oppressed group, censor ourselves for boys who won’t even see our fucking blogs. Feminism isn’t for males, but you’re here demanding we center male feelings.

It’s not a fucking strawman. You literally said “they’re not exactly anything” in response to another woman calling them misogynists. But yeah I’m sure those boys are really naive and don’t know any better when they hit girls, or pull on their hair and straps, even though the girl said “ow” or “stop that”. It’s not naivety. And the serial killer part of it? A lot of them tortured animals as kids, you think they didn’t know it was wrong or harmful? I used serial killers because the multiple instances of teenage boys raping and ending the lives of girls. But no they’re too naive to understand that. You referred to them as “two kids who haven’t been taught any better”. Did you also commit rapes and murders at that age range? I’m going to place my bets on no because you learn not to put your fucking hands on people long before that. Be it at home or at school. If 12-14 year olds are capable of intentionally committing an evil act what makes you think they can’t be fucking misogynists?

Shit, boys are taught misogynistic thinking without even needing to be verbalized. The way men treat women in public, and them seeing it, if they have het partnered parents, the way their father treats their mother. Do you think you’re the first teacher trying to get them to not think in a sexist way? Like I said, they will find a reason to hate women. I had teachers who tried to instill feminist ideals in boys and guess what? They still will sexualize us, especially since the age in which pornography is discovered is roughly 11. I genuinely hate to burst this bubble of yours, really I do, you’re not going to successfully instill these ideals in them, because they won’t give a fuck at the end of the day. And you’re not the only person they’re going to be in contact with. At best you’re going to have boys who are “feminist allies” when their feelings are coddled by women (who are going to demand a women’s liberation movement includes them) and at worst they’re going to think you’re a stupid female trying to escape your “place”. I don’t care if you hold out hope for these boys. That I can’t change your mind of. But again my fucking issue is pretending these “young men” are incapable of being misogynists. They don’t have to know the word to think of women and girls as less than.

Maybe there is an issue in how I explained that, they are fully able to be misogynists but unlike with older people that isn’t set in stone, you can spin a clay pot but until it’s fired it’s not a pot yet essentially

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I remember trying to convince my young (12-14) male students that feminists didn’t hate men and that the man hating feminist was a myth and it wasn’t about women being above men etc. etc. but like damn you guys make it fucking hard. Why do I decide to look at the feminists on tumblr is it’s like this

Like at what point after you advocate for genocide do you stop and think, is this a good thing? I would type the whole Paulo Freire quote but it’s really overdone at this point

One would think a teacher of all people would know the meaning of the word "genocide" .

I just said it because of the image In the post that said they wanted a genocide.

I was going to put something eloquent here about dont you ever feel its more important for them to understand how incredibly opressed women are and how they are contributing and how they're probably already harrassing the girls, thinking less of them, feel entitled to touching them, talking over them, not having to help as much as them, being assumed to be smarter...

Don't you ever feel its more important for them to understand that seing womens and girls pain and discomfort shouldn't be something they laugh about, but empathize with the way girls learn to empathize with other humans? How can you be so delusional that you work with those kids and see how they act (because I know they act just like all little boys do) and just not recognize it? Not look at it? Do you also insist to the white boys that black rights activists don't hate them? Do you try hard to convince a wolf that the sheep doesn't fear them?

I am just disgusted by this very idea that boys need to be assured that the only people in the WORLD that fight for female liberation doesn't hate their opressors? Its pathetic. Really I hope there are no female students during these conversations. The very IDEA that boys are being taught about feminism by someone like you makes me worry even more for our future.

What kind of men will they grow up to be? The kind of men who look at a "me too" - movement, who looks at a "stop prostitution" - movement, and say, but this isn't about ME and my RIGHTS. That's what you are teaching them. More male entitlement.

Disgusting.

Are you also going to visit reddit and 4chan and look at all the forums they will probably frequent in just a few years, what are they called? "Used holes"? "Cumsluts"? What about the "mens rights movement" who are literally fighting to make women second class citizens at best and livestock at worst, and tell the girls "dont worry ladies, these men that actively rape and hurt women all over the world EVERY SINGLE DAY they don't ~hate~ you. They just think you are breedingcattle!"? Would you do that with the same intensity you are raising their opressors?

Or is it way more important that the boys know that some women make posts on tumblr.

I guess its true what they say in this horrible society women's words are considered violence.

I really can tell that most people replying to me have never convinced anyone of their point before, you think telling people “no they don’t hate you” so they listen to the point is going to make teach them male entitlement is insane, but I suppose it’s what years of preaching to the choir does to a person. Just in the start of your second paragraph it’s obvious what you know, you think when faced with human suffering people will laugh, you brought up black activists so do you think when white Americans saw the corpse of emmett till it wasn’t what brought them to the civil rights movement?Do you think that seeing children attacked by dogs for protesting wasn’t what gained the civil rights movement wide spread support but it was instead Malcolm X’s books about the white devil. yes we convince the wolf that the sheep doesn’t fear them because that’s how we make sheep dogs, not through othering. It’s so obvious to me that in the end you really don’t know how to teach, you think by teaching white students that racial equality is not against them makes them more racist?

I remember trying to convince my young (12-14) male students that feminists didn’t hate men and that the man hating feminist was a myth and it wasn’t about women being above men etc. etc. but like damn you guys make it fucking hard. Why do I decide to look at the feminists on tumblr is it’s like this

Like at what point after you advocate for genocide do you stop and think, is this a good thing? I would type the whole Paulo Freire quote but it’s really overdone at this point

Where is the outrage towards countries who actually do selectively abort or murder born female babies out of hatred and population control , rather than making jokes about it on tumblr.

Honestly the fact that your 12-14yo male students are already starting the “feminists just hate men!” “feminism is a hate movement!” bullshit and making it your job to teach them that feminism can be defanged for their pleasure means they’re already misogynists and maybe you should be more worried about that than about some women being angry about suffering male oppression since time immemorial on the internet.

Also lol at “advocate for genocide” while ignoring the fact that men are literally enacting a global femicide right now complete with forcing their wives and girlfriends to go through sex-selective abortions to only have sons and murdering female infants because they hate women that much. And that’s not even getting into the catastrophic rates of rape and domestic violence women endure. And all of the other ways men oppress women. But I guess that’s not as serious of a problem as some women on the internet not liking men. Somehow countries like China having wiped out so many baby girls and had so many sex-selective abortions that there is a drastic imbalance of the sexes isn’t “genocide,” but a single woman on Tumblr.com tagging a post with “#female supremacy” is.

They are 12, they aren’t exactly anything yet, you people give up much too easily imagine a 12 year old believes the earth is flat because that’s just what they’ve seen and so you just dismiss them as a flat earther forever

Also I’ve said this like 5 times but you can be mad at 2 things at once, weirdly enough you can actually be more mad at one thing than others, like I’m slightly annoyed in my post above but you just assume it’s my top priority

So would you say the same if your students were saying racist shit? Or if they were talking about how (r-slur) people don’t need rights or something? Twelve year old boys can absolutely be misogynistic - it doesn’t mean they’ll stay that way, but if they’re out here saying “feminism is evil and feminists hate men!” they’re misogynists right now. And honestly, the best way to help them isn’t to cater to their hurt feelings over women wanting liberation from male oppression by dismissing and erasing women’s rightful anger - it’s to educate them on why women are angry and why they should care. Teach them about how women have been oppressed by men for untold generations and how that must change and they should support that change, instead of making it all about them and how the movement must cater to them.

All you’re doing is teaching them that even in feminism, a movement to liberate women from male oppression, men are still the most important people in the world and men should always be catered to. You’re also teaching them that liberation movements have to be pleasant and polite to their oppressors or else they are invalid, which is wrong.

As for the last bit.. you’re the one who made this whole post accusing women of being “genocidal” against men for posting a couple of vent tags on Tumblr.com. You tell on yourself with this whole post, which is transparently about protecting and prioritizing the feelings of men and shutting women up. It is not only inaccurate but it is offensive and misogynistic and disgusting to label a handful of vent posts on a social media website “genocide” when actual genocides are out there really happening. This is not “genocide”. You look ridiculous and ignorant and misogynistic as all hell even saying that word in relation to these posts. And yes, it makes it abundantly clear that you care more about male feelings - where hurting them is apparently “genocide”! - than female lives.

If you gave a shit about violence against women and girls, you wouldn’t be out here shaming women on Tumblr for saying “#femalesupremacy” you’d be teaching your misogynistic gremlin students that feminism is a necessary, vital liberation movement of an oppressed and marginalized group that they need to support and that their hurt feelings about women being mean to their oppressors don’t change that and shouldn’t be centered.

once again males will kill, rape, forcibly impregnate and prostitute women, yet somehow moids and their worshipers alike will think intelligent women hating them for it or being angry for it or calling it out are just as bad.

Recently 14 year old boy in Raipur, raped and murdered an 8 year old girl. Earlier this year a boy of the same age, did it to a 10 year old girl in Wisconsin, and you want to tell us “they aren’t exactly anything yet”. They’re capable of understanding what they’re doing is wrong. You coddling them, and their feelings on this, is only going to cause the status quo to be maintained, that women must put male feelings above our own, ans above our safety. Fuck you.

You’ve shown me two murders and with these you hope to condemn all children? What exactly was your point here, I say they can still be taught otherwise and you show me two children who weren’t and then what? You have a lot of anger but who is that directed at exactly. Me for trying to combat misogyny in a way that isn’t angry enough for you, you want me to verbally abuse these children? To tell them that they are what’s wrong with the word and to kill themselves? Tell me if not with kindness how do you teach, how would you do it? Also why do you feel that trying to combat misogyny at its roots is then neglecting the safety of girls? Do you think there aren’t also girls in my classes I teach and protect as well? Why is it only one or the other to you?

You’re trying to say “these boys are so young! They can’t be misogynists!” By your logic of “they just need to be taught otherwise” no one is racist, or misogynist, or ableist, because they can all be taught otherwise.

“Two children who weren’t taught right from wrong” That’s dismissive and absolutely fucking laughable. You think children aren’t taught that hurting others is wrong? Do you think these boys were genuinely just unaware and had not a sliver of an idea that what they’re doing is fucking evil and are unable to comprehend the consequences of their actions? You think that while those poor little girls were crying, screaming, or struggling those boys didn’t understand there was a fucking issue? Are you fucking kidding me? What do you want me to add the two boys who killed a two year old? The large number of serial killers who skinned and killed animals, brutally? As if it’s difficult to find? You’re trying to argue that these boys are justified in being anti feminist because “The big bad mean tumblr women are angry”. You’re attempting to excuse their misogyny with their age. You’re supposedly a teacher and you’re telling me that these boys never harass the girls? Never snap their bras or pull their hair? Never make gross comments about them? Or is that also excusable because of their age? Shit you might as well just come out and say “boys will be boys” at this fucking point. As already pointed out, you are more concerned with women saying things you don’t agree with online, than addressing the misogyny exhibited by young boys. That’s my fucking issue with you. Pretending that teens are somehow incapable of knowing what they’re doing.

Is their age really that blinding to you? You think they’re just naive little babies? You aren’t combatting misogyny at the root when you’re crying at tumblr women about how we’re supposedly the reason these boys hate women. Likely they’ve never seen our blogs. That’s their opinion because they hear a movement made by and meant for women, not catering to them, and assume it’s hate. We could be the fuzziest little peaches and they will find a reason to hate women.

My logic is that they can be taught otherwise, before they become stuck in what they know because children funnily enough aren’t hateful unless they are taught to. Or are you going to tell me with your same logic that all white people are intrinsically racist in their dna and need to be separated from people of colour. Actually do you believe that the alt right pipeline even exists or that some people are just intrinsically right wing? I’m making it easier for young men to at least adopt feminist ideals while they are still receptive to learning, because people can be taught to do better especially at young ages

This is literally a strawman, I said there is hope to teach young people to be better and your reply is “oh so because they’re young it’s ok if they do bad things” that’s not the point anyone is arguing except the “me” you have come up with in your head.

Also idk if you’ve spoken to 13 year olds before (those are mainly who I work with, i said 12-14 because of birthday shenanigans) but you could convince them of literally anything, they aren’t babies but they are naive as fuck. Also who uses serial killers as an argument for general population, they are quite literally an outlier

I remember trying to convince my young (12-14) male students that feminists didn’t hate men and that the man hating feminist was a myth and it wasn’t about women being above men etc. etc. but like damn you guys make it fucking hard. Why do I decide to look at the feminists on tumblr is it’s like this

Like at what point after you advocate for genocide do you stop and think, is this a good thing? I would type the whole Paulo Freire quote but it’s really overdone at this point

One would think a teacher of all people would know the meaning of the word "genocide" .

I just said it because of the image In the post that said they wanted a genocide.

I remember trying to convince my young (12-14) male students that feminists didn’t hate men and that the man hating feminist was a myth and it wasn’t about women being above men etc. etc. but like damn you guys make it fucking hard. Why do I decide to look at the feminists on tumblr is it’s like this

Like at what point after you advocate for genocide do you stop and think, is this a good thing? I would type the whole Paulo Freire quote but it’s really overdone at this point

Where is the outrage towards countries who actually do selectively abort or murder born female babies out of hatred and population control , rather than making jokes about it on tumblr.

Honestly the fact that your 12-14yo male students are already starting the “feminists just hate men!” “feminism is a hate movement!” bullshit and making it your job to teach them that feminism can be defanged for their pleasure means they’re already misogynists and maybe you should be more worried about that than about some women being angry about suffering male oppression since time immemorial on the internet.

Also lol at “advocate for genocide” while ignoring the fact that men are literally enacting a global femicide right now complete with forcing their wives and girlfriends to go through sex-selective abortions to only have sons and murdering female infants because they hate women that much. And that’s not even getting into the catastrophic rates of rape and domestic violence women endure. And all of the other ways men oppress women. But I guess that’s not as serious of a problem as some women on the internet not liking men. Somehow countries like China having wiped out so many baby girls and had so many sex-selective abortions that there is a drastic imbalance of the sexes isn’t “genocide,” but a single woman on Tumblr.com tagging a post with “#female supremacy” is.

They are 12, they aren’t exactly anything yet, you people give up much too easily imagine a 12 year old believes the earth is flat because that’s just what they’ve seen and so you just dismiss them as a flat earther forever

Also I’ve said this like 5 times but you can be mad at 2 things at once, weirdly enough you can actually be more mad at one thing than others, like I’m slightly annoyed in my post above but you just assume it’s my top priority

So would you say the same if your students were saying racist shit? Or if they were talking about how (r-slur) people don’t need rights or something? Twelve year old boys can absolutely be misogynistic - it doesn’t mean they’ll stay that way, but if they’re out here saying “feminism is evil and feminists hate men!” they’re misogynists right now. And honestly, the best way to help them isn’t to cater to their hurt feelings over women wanting liberation from male oppression by dismissing and erasing women’s rightful anger - it’s to educate them on why women are angry and why they should care. Teach them about how women have been oppressed by men for untold generations and how that must change and they should support that change, instead of making it all about them and how the movement must cater to them.

All you’re doing is teaching them that even in feminism, a movement to liberate women from male oppression, men are still the most important people in the world and men should always be catered to. You’re also teaching them that liberation movements have to be pleasant and polite to their oppressors or else they are invalid, which is wrong.

As for the last bit.. you’re the one who made this whole post accusing women of being “genocidal” against men for posting a couple of vent tags on Tumblr.com. You tell on yourself with this whole post, which is transparently about protecting and prioritizing the feelings of men and shutting women up. It is not only inaccurate but it is offensive and misogynistic and disgusting to label a handful of vent posts on a social media website “genocide” when actual genocides are out there really happening. This is not “genocide”. You look ridiculous and ignorant and misogynistic as all hell even saying that word in relation to these posts. And yes, it makes it abundantly clear that you care more about male feelings - where hurting them is apparently “genocide”! - than female lives.

If you gave a shit about violence against women and girls, you wouldn’t be out here shaming women on Tumblr for saying “#femalesupremacy” you’d be teaching your misogynistic gremlin students that feminism is a necessary, vital liberation movement of an oppressed and marginalized group that they need to support and that their hurt feelings about women being mean to their oppressors don’t change that and shouldn’t be centered.

once again males will kill, rape, forcibly impregnate and prostitute women, yet somehow moids and their worshipers alike will think intelligent women hating them for it or being angry for it or calling it out are just as bad.

Recently 14 year old boy in Raipur, raped and murdered an 8 year old girl. Earlier this year a boy of the same age, did it to a 10 year old girl in Wisconsin, and you want to tell us “they aren’t exactly anything yet”. They’re capable of understanding what they’re doing is wrong. You coddling them, and their feelings on this, is only going to cause the status quo to be maintained, that women must put male feelings above our own, ans above our safety. Fuck you.

You’ve shown me two murders and with these you hope to condemn all children? What exactly was your point here, I say they can still be taught otherwise and you show me two children who weren’t and then what? You have a lot of anger but who is that directed at exactly. Me for trying to combat misogyny in a way that isn’t angry enough for you, you want me to verbally abuse these children? To tell them that they are what’s wrong with the word and to kill themselves? Tell me if not with kindness how do you teach, how would you do it? Also why do you feel that trying to combat misogyny at its roots is then neglecting the safety of girls? Do you think there aren’t also girls in my classes I teach and protect as well? Why is it only one or the other to you?

I remember trying to convince my young (12-14) male students that feminists didn’t hate men and that the man hating feminist was a myth and it wasn’t about women being above men etc. etc. but like damn you guys make it fucking hard. Why do I decide to look at the feminists on tumblr is it’s like this

Like at what point after you advocate for genocide do you stop and think, is this a good thing? I would type the whole Paulo Freire quote but it’s really overdone at this point

Where is the outrage towards countries who actually do selectively abort or murder born female babies out of hatred and population control , rather than making jokes about it on tumblr.

Honestly the fact that your 12-14yo male students are already starting the “feminists just hate men!” “feminism is a hate movement!” bullshit and making it your job to teach them that feminism can be defanged for their pleasure means they’re already misogynists and maybe you should be more worried about that than about some women being angry about suffering male oppression since time immemorial on the internet.

Also lol at “advocate for genocide” while ignoring the fact that men are literally enacting a global femicide right now complete with forcing their wives and girlfriends to go through sex-selective abortions to only have sons and murdering female infants because they hate women that much. And that’s not even getting into the catastrophic rates of rape and domestic violence women endure. And all of the other ways men oppress women. But I guess that’s not as serious of a problem as some women on the internet not liking men. Somehow countries like China having wiped out so many baby girls and had so many sex-selective abortions that there is a drastic imbalance of the sexes isn’t “genocide,” but a single woman on Tumblr.com tagging a post with “#female supremacy” is.

They are 12, they aren’t exactly anything yet, you people give up much too easily imagine a 12 year old believes the earth is flat because that’s just what they’ve seen and so you just dismiss them as a flat earther forever

Also I’ve said this like 5 times but you can be mad at 2 things at once, weirdly enough you can actually be more mad at one thing than others, like I’m slightly annoyed in my post above but you just assume it’s my top priority

So would you say the same if your students were saying racist shit? Or if they were talking about how (r-slur) people don’t need rights or something? Twelve year old boys can absolutely be misogynistic - it doesn’t mean they’ll stay that way, but if they’re out here saying “feminism is evil and feminists hate men!” they’re misogynists right now. And honestly, the best way to help them isn’t to cater to their hurt feelings over women wanting liberation from male oppression by dismissing and erasing women’s rightful anger - it’s to educate them on why women are angry and why they should care. Teach them about how women have been oppressed by men for untold generations and how that must change and they should support that change, instead of making it all about them and how the movement must cater to them.

All you’re doing is teaching them that even in feminism, a movement to liberate women from male oppression, men are still the most important people in the world and men should always be catered to. You’re also teaching them that liberation movements have to be pleasant and polite to their oppressors or else they are invalid, which is wrong.

As for the last bit.. you’re the one who made this whole post accusing women of being “genocidal” against men for posting a couple of vent tags on Tumblr.com. You tell on yourself with this whole post, which is transparently about protecting and prioritizing the feelings of men and shutting women up. It is not only inaccurate but it is offensive and misogynistic and disgusting to label a handful of vent posts on a social media website “genocide” when actual genocides are out there really happening. This is not “genocide”. You look ridiculous and ignorant and misogynistic as all hell even saying that word in relation to these posts. And yes, it makes it abundantly clear that you care more about male feelings - where hurting them is apparently “genocide”! - than female lives.

If you gave a shit about violence against women and girls, you wouldn’t be out here shaming women on Tumblr for saying “#femalesupremacy” you’d be teaching your misogynistic gremlin students that feminism is a necessary, vital liberation movement of an oppressed and marginalized group that they need to support and that their hurt feelings about women being mean to their oppressors don’t change that and shouldn’t be centered.

once again males will kill, rape, forcibly impregnate and prostitute women, yet somehow moids and their worshipers alike will think intelligent women hating them for it or being angry for it or calling it out are just as bad.

Women & gays don’t deserve peace because how will we explain it to the (boy) children? :(

Now where the hell did gays come from, nothing you said here was anywhere even an iota close to what was originally said, if there was a barn named “the point” you’d miss the broadside with a shotgun at 3 meters away. Sometimes you just don’t need to speak and that’s ok

Ok gather around for a story about how people refused to accept gay people in the before before time…

I wonder what brought people around to accepting gay people then, because history shows it wasn’t people like you. You’re almost 30, much too grown to be childish like this

Definitely wasn’t harping at people to turn down their feelings to make human rights more palatable.

Sometimes you shouldn’t speak and that’s okay!

No it was directing those feelings and targeting those feelings at an issue, the gay liberation front manifesto didn’t just say

“Homosexuals, who have been oppressed by physical violence and by ideological and psychological attacks at every level of social interaction, are at last becoming angry”

It actually had aims, a way forward, a plan

All I see from you is the first part and none of the latter, we know women are oppressed, we know how, we know what that all entails but you are stuck at the beginning. Your posts start with “this sucks” and ends with “this sucks” there is no direction for these feelings and I understand it cathartic but they aren’t particularly helpful without that direction are they?

I think you aught to focus more on how you could possibly teach these things to small children rather than try and police a blog.

Oh, an idea, if you’re looking for so much direction from me in particular: start by teaching those male crotch goblins to stop murdering and raping women. That’s a good start I think? Yeah? That’s where you come in, innit?

Yo I’m just malding about playing damage control while teaching kids not to turn out like you

You’re the one who decided to spin it completely differently for no good reason but what I assume is boredom

I remember trying to convince my young (12-14) male students that feminists didn’t hate men and that the man hating feminist was a myth and it wasn’t about women being above men etc. etc. but like damn you guys make it fucking hard. Why do I decide to look at the feminists on tumblr is it’s like this

Like at what point after you advocate for genocide do you stop and think, is this a good thing? I would type the whole Paulo Freire quote but it’s really overdone at this point

Where is the outrage towards countries who actually do selectively abort or murder born female babies out of hatred and population control , rather than making jokes about it on tumblr.

Honestly the fact that your 12-14yo male students are already starting the “feminists just hate men!” “feminism is a hate movement!” bullshit and making it your job to teach them that feminism can be defanged for their pleasure means they’re already misogynists and maybe you should be more worried about that than about some women being angry about suffering male oppression since time immemorial on the internet.

Also lol at “advocate for genocide” while ignoring the fact that men are literally enacting a global femicide right now complete with forcing their wives and girlfriends to go through sex-selective abortions to only have sons and murdering female infants because they hate women that much. And that’s not even getting into the catastrophic rates of rape and domestic violence women endure. And all of the other ways men oppress women. But I guess that’s not as serious of a problem as some women on the internet not liking men. Somehow countries like China having wiped out so many baby girls and had so many sex-selective abortions that there is a drastic imbalance of the sexes isn’t “genocide,” but a single woman on Tumblr.com tagging a post with “#female supremacy” is.

They are 12, they aren’t exactly anything yet, you people give up much too easily imagine a 12 year old believes the earth is flat because that’s just what they’ve seen and so you just dismiss them as a flat earther forever

Also I’ve said this like 5 times but you can be mad at 2 things at once, weirdly enough you can actually be more mad at one thing than others, like I’m slightly annoyed in my post above but you just assume it’s my top priority

So would you say the same if your students were saying racist shit? Or if they were talking about how (r-slur) people don’t need rights or something? Twelve year old boys can absolutely be misogynistic - it doesn’t mean they’ll stay that way, but if they’re out here saying “feminism is evil and feminists hate men!” they’re misogynists right now. And honestly, the best way to help them isn’t to cater to their hurt feelings over women wanting liberation from male oppression by dismissing and erasing women’s rightful anger - it’s to educate them on why women are angry and why they should care. Teach them about how women have been oppressed by men for untold generations and how that must change and they should support that change, instead of making it all about them and how the movement must cater to them.

All you’re doing is teaching them that even in feminism, a movement to liberate women from male oppression, men are still the most important people in the world and men should always be catered to. You’re also teaching them that liberation movements have to be pleasant and polite to their oppressors or else they are invalid, which is wrong.

As for the last bit.. you’re the one who made this whole post accusing women of being “genocidal” against men for posting a couple of vent tags on Tumblr.com. You tell on yourself with this whole post, which is transparently about protecting and prioritizing the feelings of men and shutting women up. It is not only inaccurate but it is offensive and misogynistic and disgusting to label a handful of vent posts on a social media website “genocide” when actual genocides are out there really happening. This is not “genocide”. You look ridiculous and ignorant and misogynistic as all hell even saying that word in relation to these posts. And yes, it makes it abundantly clear that you care more about male feelings - where hurting them is apparently “genocide”! - than female lives.

If you gave a shit about violence against women and girls, you wouldn’t be out here shaming women on Tumblr for saying “#femalesupremacy” you’d be teaching your misogynistic gremlin students that feminism is a necessary, vital liberation movement of an oppressed and marginalized group that they need to support and that their hurt feelings about women being mean to their oppressors don’t change that and shouldn’t be centered.

once again males will kill, rape, forcibly impregnate and prostitute women, yet somehow moids and their worshipers alike will think intelligent women hating them for it or being angry for it or calling it out are just as bad.

Women & gays don’t deserve peace because how will we explain it to the (boy) children? :(

Now where the hell did gays come from, nothing you said here was anywhere even an iota close to what was originally said, if there was a barn named “the point” you’d miss the broadside with a shotgun at 3 meters away. Sometimes you just don’t need to speak and that’s ok

Ok gather around for a story about how people refused to accept gay people in the before before time…

I wonder what brought people around to accepting gay people then, because history shows it wasn’t people like you. You’re almost 30, much too grown to be childish like this

Definitely wasn’t harping at people to turn down their feelings to make human rights more palatable.

Sometimes you shouldn’t speak and that’s okay!

No it was directing those feelings and targeting those feelings at an issue, the gay liberation front manifesto didn’t just say

“Homosexuals, who have been oppressed by physical violence and by ideological and psychological attacks at every level of social interaction, are at last becoming angry”

It actually had aims, a way forward, a plan

All I see from you is the first part and none of the latter, we know women are oppressed, we know how, we know what that all entails but you are stuck at the beginning. Your posts start with “this sucks” and ends with “this sucks” there is no direction for these feelings and I understand it cathartic but they aren’t particularly helpful without that direction are they?

I remember trying to convince my young (12-14) male students that feminists didn’t hate men and that the man hating feminist was a myth and it wasn’t about women being above men etc. etc. but like damn you guys make it fucking hard. Why do I decide to look at the feminists on tumblr is it’s like this

Like at what point after you advocate for genocide do you stop and think, is this a good thing? I would type the whole Paulo Freire quote but it’s really overdone at this point

Where is the outrage towards countries who actually do selectively abort or murder born female babies out of hatred and population control , rather than making jokes about it on tumblr.

Honestly the fact that your 12-14yo male students are already starting the “feminists just hate men!” “feminism is a hate movement!” bullshit and making it your job to teach them that feminism can be defanged for their pleasure means they’re already misogynists and maybe you should be more worried about that than about some women being angry about suffering male oppression since time immemorial on the internet.

Also lol at “advocate for genocide” while ignoring the fact that men are literally enacting a global femicide right now complete with forcing their wives and girlfriends to go through sex-selective abortions to only have sons and murdering female infants because they hate women that much. And that’s not even getting into the catastrophic rates of rape and domestic violence women endure. And all of the other ways men oppress women. But I guess that’s not as serious of a problem as some women on the internet not liking men. Somehow countries like China having wiped out so many baby girls and had so many sex-selective abortions that there is a drastic imbalance of the sexes isn’t “genocide,” but a single woman on Tumblr.com tagging a post with “#female supremacy” is.

They are 12, they aren’t exactly anything yet, you people give up much too easily imagine a 12 year old believes the earth is flat because that’s just what they’ve seen and so you just dismiss them as a flat earther forever

Also I’ve said this like 5 times but you can be mad at 2 things at once, weirdly enough you can actually be more mad at one thing than others, like I’m slightly annoyed in my post above but you just assume it’s my top priority

So would you say the same if your students were saying racist shit? Or if they were talking about how (r-slur) people don’t need rights or something? Twelve year old boys can absolutely be misogynistic - it doesn’t mean they’ll stay that way, but if they’re out here saying “feminism is evil and feminists hate men!” they’re misogynists right now. And honestly, the best way to help them isn’t to cater to their hurt feelings over women wanting liberation from male oppression by dismissing and erasing women’s rightful anger - it’s to educate them on why women are angry and why they should care. Teach them about how women have been oppressed by men for untold generations and how that must change and they should support that change, instead of making it all about them and how the movement must cater to them.

All you’re doing is teaching them that even in feminism, a movement to liberate women from male oppression, men are still the most important people in the world and men should always be catered to. You’re also teaching them that liberation movements have to be pleasant and polite to their oppressors or else they are invalid, which is wrong.

As for the last bit.. you’re the one who made this whole post accusing women of being “genocidal” against men for posting a couple of vent tags on Tumblr.com. You tell on yourself with this whole post, which is transparently about protecting and prioritizing the feelings of men and shutting women up. It is not only inaccurate but it is offensive and misogynistic and disgusting to label a handful of vent posts on a social media website “genocide” when actual genocides are out there really happening. This is not “genocide”. You look ridiculous and ignorant and misogynistic as all hell even saying that word in relation to these posts. And yes, it makes it abundantly clear that you care more about male feelings - where hurting them is apparently “genocide”! - than female lives.

If you gave a shit about violence against women and girls, you wouldn’t be out here shaming women on Tumblr for saying “#femalesupremacy” you’d be teaching your misogynistic gremlin students that feminism is a necessary, vital liberation movement of an oppressed and marginalized group that they need to support and that their hurt feelings about women being mean to their oppressors don’t change that and shouldn’t be centered.

once again males will kill, rape, forcibly impregnate and prostitute women, yet somehow moids and their worshipers alike will think intelligent women hating them for it or being angry for it or calling it out are just as bad.

Women & gays don’t deserve peace because how will we explain it to the (boy) children? :(

Now where the hell did gays come from, nothing you said here was anywhere even an iota close to what was originally said, if there was a barn named “the point” you’d miss the broadside with a shotgun at 3 meters away. Sometimes you just don’t need to speak and that’s ok

Ok gather around for a story about how people refused to accept gay people in the before before time…

I wonder what brought people around to accepting gay people then, because history shows it wasn’t people like you. You’re almost 30, much too grown to be childish like this

I remember trying to convince my young (12-14) male students that feminists didn’t hate men and that the man hating feminist was a myth and it wasn’t about women being above men etc. etc. but like damn you guys make it fucking hard. Why do I decide to look at the feminists on tumblr is it’s like this

Like at what point after you advocate for genocide do you stop and think, is this a good thing? I would type the whole Paulo Freire quote but it’s really overdone at this point

Where is the outrage towards countries who actually do selectively abort or murder born female babies out of hatred and population control , rather than making jokes about it on tumblr.

Honestly the fact that your 12-14yo male students are already starting the “feminists just hate men!” “feminism is a hate movement!” bullshit and making it your job to teach them that feminism can be defanged for their pleasure means they’re already misogynists and maybe you should be more worried about that than about some women being angry about suffering male oppression since time immemorial on the internet.

Also lol at “advocate for genocide” while ignoring the fact that men are literally enacting a global femicide right now complete with forcing their wives and girlfriends to go through sex-selective abortions to only have sons and murdering female infants because they hate women that much. And that’s not even getting into the catastrophic rates of rape and domestic violence women endure. And all of the other ways men oppress women. But I guess that’s not as serious of a problem as some women on the internet not liking men. Somehow countries like China having wiped out so many baby girls and had so many sex-selective abortions that there is a drastic imbalance of the sexes isn’t “genocide,” but a single woman on Tumblr.com tagging a post with “#female supremacy” is.

They are 12, they aren’t exactly anything yet, you people give up much too easily imagine a 12 year old believes the earth is flat because that’s just what they’ve seen and so you just dismiss them as a flat earther forever

Also I’ve said this like 5 times but you can be mad at 2 things at once, weirdly enough you can actually be more mad at one thing than others, like I’m slightly annoyed in my post above but you just assume it’s my top priority

So would you say the same if your students were saying racist shit? Or if they were talking about how (r-slur) people don’t need rights or something? Twelve year old boys can absolutely be misogynistic - it doesn’t mean they’ll stay that way, but if they’re out here saying “feminism is evil and feminists hate men!” they’re misogynists right now. And honestly, the best way to help them isn’t to cater to their hurt feelings over women wanting liberation from male oppression by dismissing and erasing women’s rightful anger - it’s to educate them on why women are angry and why they should care. Teach them about how women have been oppressed by men for untold generations and how that must change and they should support that change, instead of making it all about them and how the movement must cater to them.

All you’re doing is teaching them that even in feminism, a movement to liberate women from male oppression, men are still the most important people in the world and men should always be catered to. You’re also teaching them that liberation movements have to be pleasant and polite to their oppressors or else they are invalid, which is wrong.

As for the last bit.. you’re the one who made this whole post accusing women of being “genocidal” against men for posting a couple of vent tags on Tumblr.com. You tell on yourself with this whole post, which is transparently about protecting and prioritizing the feelings of men and shutting women up. It is not only inaccurate but it is offensive and misogynistic and disgusting to label a handful of vent posts on a social media website “genocide” when actual genocides are out there really happening. This is not “genocide”. You look ridiculous and ignorant and misogynistic as all hell even saying that word in relation to these posts. And yes, it makes it abundantly clear that you care more about male feelings - where hurting them is apparently “genocide”! - than female lives.

If you gave a shit about violence against women and girls, you wouldn’t be out here shaming women on Tumblr for saying “#femalesupremacy” you’d be teaching your misogynistic gremlin students that feminism is a necessary, vital liberation movement of an oppressed and marginalized group that they need to support and that their hurt feelings about women being mean to their oppressors don’t change that and shouldn’t be centered.

once again males will kill, rape, forcibly impregnate and prostitute women, yet somehow moids and their worshipers alike will think intelligent women hating them for it or being angry for it or calling it out are just as bad.

Women & gays don’t deserve peace because how will we explain it to the (boy) children? :(

Now where the hell did gays come from, nothing you said here was anywhere even an iota close to what was originally said, if there was a barn named “the point” you’d miss the broadside with a shotgun at 3 meters away. Sometimes you just don’t need to speak and that’s ok

I remember trying to convince my young (12-14) male students that feminists didn’t hate men and that the man hating feminist was a myth and it wasn’t about women being above men etc. etc. but like damn you guys make it fucking hard. Why do I decide to look at the feminists on tumblr is it’s like this

Like at what point after you advocate for genocide do you stop and think, is this a good thing? I would type the whole Paulo Freire quote but it’s really overdone at this point

Where is the outrage towards countries who actually do selectively abort or murder born female babies out of hatred and population control , rather than making jokes about it on tumblr.

Honestly the fact that your 12-14yo male students are already starting the “feminists just hate men!” “feminism is a hate movement!” bullshit and making it your job to teach them that feminism can be defanged for their pleasure means they’re already misogynists and maybe you should be more worried about that than about some women being angry about suffering male oppression since time immemorial on the internet.

Also lol at “advocate for genocide” while ignoring the fact that men are literally enacting a global femicide right now complete with forcing their wives and girlfriends to go through sex-selective abortions to only have sons and murdering female infants because they hate women that much. And that’s not even getting into the catastrophic rates of rape and domestic violence women endure. And all of the other ways men oppress women. But I guess that’s not as serious of a problem as some women on the internet not liking men. Somehow countries like China having wiped out so many baby girls and had so many sex-selective abortions that there is a drastic imbalance of the sexes isn’t “genocide,” but a single woman on Tumblr.com tagging a post with “#female supremacy” is.

They are 12, they aren’t exactly anything yet, you people give up much too easily imagine a 12 year old believes the earth is flat because that’s just what they’ve seen and so you just dismiss them as a flat earther forever

Also I’ve said this like 5 times but you can be mad at 2 things at once, weirdly enough you can actually be more mad at one thing than others, like I’m slightly annoyed in my post above but you just assume it’s my top priority

So would you say the same if your students were saying racist shit? Or if they were talking about how (r-slur) people don’t need rights or something? Twelve year old boys can absolutely be misogynistic - it doesn’t mean they’ll stay that way, but if they’re out here saying “feminism is evil and feminists hate men!” they’re misogynists right now. And honestly, the best way to help them isn’t to cater to their hurt feelings over women wanting liberation from male oppression by dismissing and erasing women’s rightful anger - it’s to educate them on why women are angry and why they should care. Teach them about how women have been oppressed by men for untold generations and how that must change and they should support that change, instead of making it all about them and how the movement must cater to them.

All you’re doing is teaching them that even in feminism, a movement to liberate women from male oppression, men are still the most important people in the world and men should always be catered to. You’re also teaching them that liberation movements have to be pleasant and polite to their oppressors or else they are invalid, which is wrong.

As for the last bit.. you’re the one who made this whole post accusing women of being “genocidal” against men for posting a couple of vent tags on Tumblr.com. You tell on yourself with this whole post, which is transparently about protecting and prioritizing the feelings of men and shutting women up. It is not only inaccurate but it is offensive and misogynistic and disgusting to label a handful of vent posts on a social media website “genocide” when actual genocides are out there really happening. This is not “genocide”. You look ridiculous and ignorant and misogynistic as all hell even saying that word in relation to these posts. And yes, it makes it abundantly clear that you care more about male feelings - where hurting them is apparently “genocide”! - than female lives.

If you gave a shit about violence against women and girls, you wouldn’t be out here shaming women on Tumblr for saying “#femalesupremacy” you’d be teaching your misogynistic gremlin students that feminism is a necessary, vital liberation movement of an oppressed and marginalized group that they need to support and that their hurt feelings about women being mean to their oppressors don’t change that and shouldn’t be centered.

once again males will kill, rape, forcibly impregnate and prostitute women, yet somehow moids and their worshipers alike will think intelligent women hating them for it or being angry for it or calling it out are just as bad.

Who told you this? Y’all don’t want to hear me you just wanna dance

I remember trying to convince my young (12-14) male students that feminists didn’t hate men and that the man hating feminist was a myth and it wasn’t about women being above men etc. etc. but like damn you guys make it fucking hard. Why do I decide to look at the feminists on tumblr is it’s like this

Like at what point after you advocate for genocide do you stop and think, is this a good thing? I would type the whole Paulo Freire quote but it’s really overdone at this point

Where is the outrage towards countries who actually do selectively abort or murder born female babies out of hatred and population control , rather than making jokes about it on tumblr.

Honestly the fact that your 12-14yo male students are already starting the “feminists just hate men!” “feminism is a hate movement!” bullshit and making it your job to teach them that feminism can be defanged for their pleasure means they’re already misogynists and maybe you should be more worried about that than about some women being angry about suffering male oppression since time immemorial on the internet.

Also lol at “advocate for genocide” while ignoring the fact that men are literally enacting a global femicide right now complete with forcing their wives and girlfriends to go through sex-selective abortions to only have sons and murdering female infants because they hate women that much. And that’s not even getting into the catastrophic rates of rape and domestic violence women endure. And all of the other ways men oppress women. But I guess that’s not as serious of a problem as some women on the internet not liking men. Somehow countries like China having wiped out so many baby girls and had so many sex-selective abortions that there is a drastic imbalance of the sexes isn’t “genocide,” but a single woman on Tumblr.com tagging a post with “#female supremacy” is.

They are 12, they aren’t exactly anything yet, you people give up much too easily imagine a 12 year old believes the earth is flat because that’s just what they’ve seen and so you just dismiss them as a flat earther forever

Also I’ve said this like 5 times but you can be mad at 2 things at once, weirdly enough you can actually be more mad at one thing than others, like I’m slightly annoyed in my post above but you just assume it’s my top priority

So would you say the same if your students were saying racist shit? Or if they were talking about how (r-slur) people don’t need rights or something? Twelve year old boys can absolutely be misogynistic - it doesn’t mean they’ll stay that way, but if they’re out here saying “feminism is evil and feminists hate men!” they’re misogynists right now. And honestly, the best way to help them isn’t to cater to their hurt feelings over women wanting liberation from male oppression by dismissing and erasing women’s rightful anger - it’s to educate them on why women are angry and why they should care. Teach them about how women have been oppressed by men for untold generations and how that must change and they should support that change, instead of making it all about them and how the movement must cater to them.

All you’re doing is teaching them that even in feminism, a movement to liberate women from male oppression, men are still the most important people in the world and men should always be catered to. You’re also teaching them that liberation movements have to be pleasant and polite to their oppressors or else they are invalid, which is wrong.

As for the last bit.. you’re the one who made this whole post accusing women of being “genocidal” against men for posting a couple of vent tags on Tumblr.com. You tell on yourself with this whole post, which is transparently about protecting and prioritizing the feelings of men and shutting women up. It is not only inaccurate but it is offensive and misogynistic and disgusting to label a handful of vent posts on a social media website “genocide” when actual genocides are out there really happening. This is not “genocide”. You look ridiculous and ignorant and misogynistic as all hell even saying that word in relation to these posts. And yes, it makes it abundantly clear that you care more about male feelings - where hurting them is apparently “genocide”! - than female lives.

If you gave a shit about violence against women and girls, you wouldn’t be out here shaming women on Tumblr for saying “#femalesupremacy” you’d be teaching your misogynistic gremlin students that feminism is a necessary, vital liberation movement of an oppressed and marginalized group that they need to support and that their hurt feelings about women being mean to their oppressors don’t change that and shouldn’t be centered.

once again males will kill, rape, forcibly impregnate and prostitute women, yet somehow moids and their worshipers alike will think intelligent women hating them for it or being angry for it or calling it out are just as bad.

I find it interesting that a lot of the women who take issue with other women’s scathing (or merely un-varnished) comments about boy’s focus on the thing’s the boys think or say. the problem with boys for me was (and is tbh) their actions.

there seems to be a predictable dodging of the real problem - that a lot of boy’s have already enacted some form of sexual assault on their classmates, friends or relatives by the time they reach 13yrs old. most of the boy’s at my school were already sexually harassing girls at 11yrs and the number who progressed to outright assault, while smaller, was still significant. and the assaults got more extreme the older the boy’s got - 15 and 16 yr olds were already rapists, one or two were already serial rapists. they weren’t harmlessly misguided sweethearts who turned into predators when they turned into men - they already had been that for years. 12 and 13 yr old boy’s were assaulting girls by groping breasts/grabbing at crotches/snapping bra straps/slapping arses and it meant the girls had to walk everywhere in herds, like deer, so as to protect themselves and each other from the hands, and that was the background to our school lives.

it was every day, in the halls, the classrooms, on the school bus, in the lunchroom and on the playground. the only place they couldn’t get to us were the toilets.

the misogyny of boy’s is not theory or thought - it’s material and it leaves bruises. how can you teach that away? it’s already happened and the girls will grow up with it having happened to them.

I say: give girls cricket bat’s and let them vent their feeling’s onto the boy’s kneecaps. and when that’s all done we can apply the same treatment to female violence as we do to male - just tell the boy’s hurt by it to get over it, it’s in the past, they didn’t know better, girls will be girls! we can’t demonise children! they just need to be taught about kneecap-crushing consent!

of course when it’s phrased this way it’s obviously absurd - and it’s just as absurd to belittle how incredibly pervasive and destructive boy’s terrorism of girls is. boy’s know how they treat girls is evil because they would never accept it being done to them.

it’s time for us adults to grow up and face an ugly truth - there is something about males that is fundamentally wrong. and it’s long past time that we stop making girls collateral damage for our pontificating about the ‘why’ and instead move on to the ‘what will it take to stop it’. that’s all that actually matters and anything less is just negligent.

I don’t care why boy’s are the way they are - I care about how girls can be as safe and free from danger as they should be. that’s all that matters.

as always, I’m interested to hear what everyone else thinks about the subject.

I understand the rage behind the cricket bat idea but in all cases prevention is better than punishment, I care why boys are the way they are because it is directly tied to how girls can be safe, you cannot say “I don’t care where the poison is coming from, I care about how we can get our people to drink clean water” because the obvious option is to remove the source of that poison.

All behaviour is learned, we are human beings the reason we have such a long raising period is because we need to teach our children how to behave, nothing is fundamentally wrong with males except for how they are raised or do you believe that a French person who isn’t exposed to the language will fundamentally know it? Or do you believe that all those girls who “chose” to be tradwives we’re always fundamentally going to be tradwives. That isn’t how human beings work and this belief doesn’t help anything but to ignore the fact that misogyny both internalised and not is taught

urning-wyrms thanks for the reply!

I think you’ve raised an interesting topic for discussion - one I’ve been mulling over for years - and I wanted to see what other’s thought and why. I hope it’s been interesting to you as well and that everyone has been civil : )

I can definitely understand your perspective and why you might have it: being a teacher has certain responsibilities that would probably be difficult (if not down right impossible) to fulfil if you had any hostility towards your students. I admire your fortitude.

I’ve wondered about the ‘everything is learned’ theory for a long time and based on the evidence I’ve seen I’m deeply sceptical of it. I’ve seen personally how boy’s raised well by self-respecting mothers have devolved as they’ve aged and I don’t think it can all be peer pressure. If that were true than why doesn’t it happen to girls?

one of the question’s that keeps coming back to me is this: why is there such a large disparity between how males treat people vs how females treat people? in each culture males and females live in the same way’s, in the same places and circumstances, all that differs is sex, and yet male violence patterns and misogyny are global. they are all but identical irrespective of nation, class, religion, age and time. what could be the cause other than their sex? what else do they have in common? why does a skinhead from London in 2022 say the same thing’s written on clay tablets thousands of years before despite not even knowing such thing’s exist? why do the voices of men and boy’s repeat each other across language and space and time? if it’s taught by culture than why is it that male culture is what wins out? why not female culture? why have males been so unaffected by the centuries (millennia even) of women teaching them not to be misogynists?

I fear that women who believe in teaching boy’s and men how to respect our humanity are condemning themselves to a Sisyphean punishment - a lesson without end and without achievement.

women - both mothers and teachers - have been trying to save girls from boy’s, by saving boy’s from themselves, assuming a decency in them that I fear is a myth, for thousands of years. if those women didn’t succeed than why will we? because we’re smarter? because we’re working harder? I fear that is a dangerous and arrogant delusion fuelled by desperation.

women have been failing to redeem boy’s for longer than whole empires have existed - at what point do we admit that this approach isn’t working? how many girls and women do we sacrifice before we say 'this theory has been proven false’? how much evidence do we need to accrue before we can call time on a doomed mission?

I have made the decision to sever myself from improving boy’s and men. the way I want to spend my energy and time is in saving girls and women from the thing’s that males will decide to do to them.

I appreciate urning-wyrms that you also spend a lot of time and energy doing your best to keep girls safe - in general as well as in your work. my best friend was a teacher for many years and I’ve heard many stories about the good, the bad, and the ugly sides of the profession. I don’t doubt that you work hard and care for your students as much as my friend did.

my disagreement with your perspective is political not personal. tbh I would love for you to be right, I would love to be wrong. the world would be a much less bleak place if it is possible to reach boy’s and stop them from becoming the men I meet and see around me every day. I just worry that this approach is yet another example of women falling for men’s propaganda, that they don’t want to change, or know that they can’t, and are laughing at us, that they feel superior as they waste our collective time and suck away all our energy.

I feel the ease of switching the perspective of women against misogyny and men against misogyny is that women and young girls directly suffer from it and being told that they don’t deserve this abuse and that this isn’t the way things should be isn’t difficult. On the other hand not only do men not suffer from misogyny and mainly benefit from it.

On the note of culture, my ancestors where matriarchal, their religion was based on a matriarch deity, this did end after Christian colonialists set up their churches and imposed their society on our own, this is true of most African tribes, this is purely my own personal hypothesis but I think that these patterns of male violence are global because one culture has dominated the globe and that cultures problems of male violence dominated with it.

I don’t believe this is a biological problem but a cultural one and these days culture changes in months not decades and this is the difference between us now and feminists 1000 years ago, thanks to the internet and rapid communication culture can change overnight and I believe it’s changing, compare men 50 years ago to men now there has been vast improvement and I see that in the youth, it’s not instant and there are certainly still things to address in their behaviour but they are getting better every year, in every new class I don’t see boys who will turn into the same misogynistic men as their fathers, I see boys who are already better than their fathers ever were and who can still get better. It’s incremental change but it builds up and it has been working.

I can understand in your eyes I’m putting too much faith in them but I see the change even in wider society the #metoo movement would not have been able to even exist 10 years ago, is that not progress

I remember trying to convince my young (12-14) male students that feminists didn’t hate men and that the man hating feminist was a myth and it wasn’t about women being above men etc. etc. but like damn you guys make it fucking hard. Why do I decide to look at the feminists on tumblr is it’s like this

Like at what point after you advocate for genocide do you stop and think, is this a good thing? I would type the whole Paulo Freire quote but it’s really overdone at this point

Where is the outrage towards countries who actually do selectively abort or murder born female babies out of hatred and population control , rather than making jokes about it on tumblr.

Honestly the fact that your 12-14yo male students are already starting the “feminists just hate men!” “feminism is a hate movement!” bullshit and making it your job to teach them that feminism can be defanged for their pleasure means they’re already misogynists and maybe you should be more worried about that than about some women being angry about suffering male oppression since time immemorial on the internet.

Also lol at “advocate for genocide” while ignoring the fact that men are literally enacting a global femicide right now complete with forcing their wives and girlfriends to go through sex-selective abortions to only have sons and murdering female infants because they hate women that much. And that’s not even getting into the catastrophic rates of rape and domestic violence women endure. And all of the other ways men oppress women. But I guess that’s not as serious of a problem as some women on the internet not liking men. Somehow countries like China having wiped out so many baby girls and had so many sex-selective abortions that there is a drastic imbalance of the sexes isn’t “genocide,” but a single woman on Tumblr.com tagging a post with “#female supremacy” is.

They are 12, they aren’t exactly anything yet, you people give up much too easily imagine a 12 year old believes the earth is flat because that’s just what they’ve seen and so you just dismiss them as a flat earther forever

Also I’ve said this like 5 times but you can be mad at 2 things at once, weirdly enough you can actually be more mad at one thing than others, like I’m slightly annoyed in my post above but you just assume it’s my top priority

So would you say the same if your students were saying racist shit? Or if they were talking about how (r-slur) people don’t need rights or something? Twelve year old boys can absolutely be misogynistic - it doesn’t mean they’ll stay that way, but if they’re out here saying “feminism is evil and feminists hate men!” they’re misogynists right now. And honestly, the best way to help them isn’t to cater to their hurt feelings over women wanting liberation from male oppression by dismissing and erasing women’s rightful anger - it’s to educate them on why women are angry and why they should care. Teach them about how women have been oppressed by men for untold generations and how that must change and they should support that change, instead of making it all about them and how the movement must cater to them.

All you’re doing is teaching them that even in feminism, a movement to liberate women from male oppression, men are still the most important people in the world and men should always be catered to. You’re also teaching them that liberation movements have to be pleasant and polite to their oppressors or else they are invalid, which is wrong.

As for the last bit.. you’re the one who made this whole post accusing women of being “genocidal” against men for posting a couple of vent tags on Tumblr.com. You tell on yourself with this whole post, which is transparently about protecting and prioritizing the feelings of men and shutting women up. It is not only inaccurate but it is offensive and misogynistic and disgusting to label a handful of vent posts on a social media website “genocide” when actual genocides are out there really happening. This is not “genocide”. You look ridiculous and ignorant and misogynistic as all hell even saying that word in relation to these posts. And yes, it makes it abundantly clear that you care more about male feelings - where hurting them is apparently “genocide”! - than female lives.

If you gave a shit about violence against women and girls, you wouldn’t be out here shaming women on Tumblr for saying “#femalesupremacy” you’d be teaching your misogynistic gremlin students that feminism is a necessary, vital liberation movement of an oppressed and marginalized group that they need to support and that their hurt feelings about women being mean to their oppressors don’t change that and shouldn’t be centered.

once again males will kill, rape, forcibly impregnate and prostitute women, yet somehow moids and their worshipers alike will think intelligent women hating them for it or being angry for it or calling it out are just as bad.

I find it interesting that a lot of the women who take issue with other women’s scathing (or merely un-varnished) comments about boy’s focus on the thing’s the boys think or say. the problem with boys for me was (and is tbh) their actions.

there seems to be a predictable dodging of the real problem - that a lot of boy’s have already enacted some form of sexual assault on their classmates, friends or relatives by the time they reach 13yrs old. most of the boy’s at my school were already sexually harassing girls at 11yrs and the number who progressed to outright assault, while smaller, was still significant. and the assaults got more extreme the older the boy’s got - 15 and 16 yr olds were already rapists, one or two were already serial rapists. they weren’t harmlessly misguided sweethearts who turned into predators when they turned into men - they already had been that for years. 12 and 13 yr old boy’s were assaulting girls by groping breasts/grabbing at crotches/snapping bra straps/slapping arses and it meant the girls had to walk everywhere in herds, like deer, so as to protect themselves and each other from the hands, and that was the background to our school lives.

it was every day, in the halls, the classrooms, on the school bus, in the lunchroom and on the playground. the only place they couldn’t get to us were the toilets.

the misogyny of boy’s is not theory or thought - it’s material and it leaves bruises. how can you teach that away? it’s already happened and the girls will grow up with it having happened to them.

I say: give girls cricket bat’s and let them vent their feeling’s onto the boy’s kneecaps. and when that’s all done we can apply the same treatment to female violence as we do to male - just tell the boy’s hurt by it to get over it, it’s in the past, they didn’t know better, girls will be girls! we can’t demonise children! they just need to be taught about kneecap-crushing consent!

of course when it’s phrased this way it’s obviously absurd - and it’s just as absurd to belittle how incredibly pervasive and destructive boy’s terrorism of girls is. boy’s know how they treat girls is evil because they would never accept it being done to them.

it’s time for us adults to grow up and face an ugly truth - there is something about males that is fundamentally wrong. and it’s long past time that we stop making girls collateral damage for our pontificating about the ‘why’ and instead move on to the 'what will it take to stop it’. that’s all that actually matters and anything less is just negligent.

I don’t care why boy’s are the way they are - I care about how girls can be as safe and free from danger as they should be. that’s all that matters.

as always, I’m interested to hear what everyone else thinks about the subject.

I understand the rage behind the cricket bat idea but in all cases prevention is better than punishment, I care why boys are the way they are because it is directly tied to how girls can be safe, you cannot say “I don’t care where the poison is coming from, I care about how we can get our people to drink clean water” because the obvious option is to remove the source of that poison.

All behaviour is learned, we are human beings the reason we have such a long raising period is because we need to teach our children how to behave, nothing is fundamentally wrong with males except for how they are raised or do you believe that a French person who isn’t exposed to the language will fundamentally know it? Or do you believe that all those girls who “chose” to be tradwives we’re always fundamentally going to be tradwives. That isn’t how human beings work and this belief doesn’t help anything but to ignore the fact that misogyny both internalised and not is taught