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Kay to me is an underrated character, she is so over-hated in my eyes and it’s understandable in the sense that Michael is the ‘protagonist’ and Apollonia was the best match for this protagonist that we follow however there are many things to say in Kay’s defence and why she should not be as overlooked as she is.

I’ll start of with the obvious, she fell in love with a sweet, kind-hearted man who fought for his country and wanted nothing to do with his family’s “business”. Instead of judging him on the bases of his family and arguing that she cannot be with him because of what his father does, she judged him by his own character and his own autonomy to choose what he does. That in its self is a very overlooked factor about Kay, she judges Michael on his own self and has the heart to do so, she loves Michael despite what his family is like and not many people do that. She was shocked to say the least when Michael told her about the story of how Johnny Fontaine became famous yet she still listened to Michael’s classic “it’s my family Kay not me”.

Michael decided to avenge his fathers shootings and proceeds to evacuate to Sicily to seek refuge as he had just committed murder. Kay is left in the dark in all of this, she even proceeds to tell Michael that she’s called and written over a hundred times and he never answered, he left and got married to another woman, whom I adore very much and I know that if he stayed with Apollonia the godfather would have been a completely different story and Michael would have not been as tragic of a character, but Kay was not told about any of this. She did not receive any closure and tried to still keep in contact with the man she loves. She then of course gives up because you can only try so much when the person you love does not reply to anything.

Then of course Michael returns to Kay because Apollonia has died and he has to come back to America, it’s so overlooked how manipulated Kay was in that scene. Her kindness was taken advantage of and her emotion too. She was vulnerable and that vulnerability was used. Michael tells her that in five years their family business will be legitimate and that his father is no different from a senator or a lawyer which in fact is not false, however in Kay’s eyes since she was very naive at this point, she did not understand all the evil that goes on with powerful people even politicians and senators. He gets her back together with him because of her kind heart and proceeds to lie to her a lot. Including the classic lie about killing Carlo.

He has taking advantage of her naivety to the point where she had to act on the worst, her kindness was truly taken for weakness and because of that she knew what was at stake for her family. In a deleted scene of ‘the godfather part II’ Anthony runs up to Michaels button men and Kay runs after him to stop him. This shows how corrupt her and Michaels son Anthony is becoming. She knew she had to get Anthony away from this toxic world or he would end up like all the men that surround him. “Look what’s happened to our son” she screams at Michael later on in the film and “Anthony’s friends are your button men” which is what this scene was foreshadowing. Her anger is seen to her son becoming in a corrupt state of mind, he’s an insecure little boy who rarely sees his father yet looks up to him so much, of course there was much for Kay to worry about.

Going back to how Michael told Kay that the family will be legitimate in 5 years “well that was 7 years ago” Kay rightfully states. She can tell at the height of Michaels power he will never change, he has been don for 7 years now and has not backed out. His father was avenged yet he’s still continuing because once you’re up it’s unlikely you will come down and Kay can see that very clear with Michael as he did not keep the promise he made to Kay. She knew that no matter how much longer she would stay Michael would never change his ways even when he says “I swear I’ll change I’ve learnt I have the strength to change” Kay saw right through that because of all the lies she has been subjected to.

Over all this abuse to her lead to Kay leaving Michael in one of the cruellest ways, taking away his unborn child and attempting to take away his children. Was it cruel yes, however it was very much justified in the sense that Michael has abused her psychology for years, she only wanted to escape. She was physically trapped and mentally trapped in a world she hated and did not want to subject her children to and that in itself took a lot of strength. We all clearly know that the abortion hurt Michael but nobody ever thought about the pain Kay went through, physical and psychological, those are only of the abortion. This is her child that she was going to love as well, yet she felt she had no other choice but to get an abortion. There is also the pain of getting to the stage of the abortion, Kay’s emotions in all of the godfather is ver under-appreciated she is also a tragic character.

I will conclude all of this with a thesis of Kay being a misunderstood character who is over-despised and equally as tragic. Michael wanted a western independent woman and when he got that woman he couldn’t handle her, everything that came from Kay was very justified and Michael while he will always be my favourite character it has to be understood that he was a psychopath who was always within the depth of his own loneliness Kay was subjected to Michael’s powerful ‘wrath’ and did what she had to do.

Thank you for reading and have a great day!

This analysis is absolutely incredible and spot on. 

“We all clearly know that the abortion hurt Michael but nobody ever thought about the pain Kay went through, physical and psychological, those are only of the abortion. This is her child that she was going to love as well, yet she felt she had no other choice but to get an abortion.”

There you have it. Thank you for writing this omg. ❤️

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of all the arguments that people use to hate on kay in the godfather “she asks too many questions” is the worst because she’s literally just asking??? if her husband??? you know the man that she shares a bed with??? and father of her children??? killed another human being???? or if he threatened someone to lie??? under oath??? before CONGRESS??? like, girlie isn’t even asking where the money comes from, she just wants to know if michael hasn’t turned into a complete sociopath

So true. I guess asking questions is a worse crime than actually killing people or being a whole mob boss??? A lot of Godfather fans forget that you're not supposed to think Michael is a good human being.

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the way people just keep getting the wrong lessons from it 😭, the moment she slaps her after the abortion news is supposed to make us see he’s at his morally lowest, it’s not a “hell yeah, show that bitch”

Exactly!! The amount of comments I've seen cheering that he slapped her or even wishing that he had killed her is alarming. That slap definitely was Michael's lowest point (along with Fredos murder).

Did someone say Kay defence squad? 💓💓💓

depression tips™

  • shower. not a bath, a shower. use water as hot or cold as u like. u dont even need to wash. just get in under the water and let it run over you for a while. sit on the floor if you gotta.
  • moisturize everything. use whatever lotion u like. unscented? dollar store lotion? fancy ass 48 hour lotion that makes u smell like a field of wildflowers? use whatever you want, and use it all over. 
  • put on clean, comfortable clothes. 
  • put on ur favorite underwear. cute black lacy panties? those ridiculous boxers u bought last christmas with candy cane hearts on the butt? put em on.
  • drink cold water. use ice. if u want, add some mint or lemon for an extra boost.
  • clean something. doesn’t have to be anything big. organize one drawer of ur desk. wash five dirty dishes. do a load of laundry. scrub the bathroom sink. 
  • blast music. listen to something upbeat and dancey and loud, something that’s got lots of energy. sing to it, dance to it, even if you suck at both.
  • make food. don’t just grab a granola bar to munch. take the time and make food. even if it’s ramen. add something special to it, like a hard boiled egg or some veggies. prepare food, it tastes way better, and you’ll feel like you accomplished something. 
  • make something. write a short story or a poem, draw a picture, color a picture, fold origami, crochet or knit, sculpt something out of clay, anything artistic. even if you don’t think you’re good at it.
  • go outside. take a walk. sit in the grass. look at the clouds. smell flowers. put your hands in the dirt and feel the soil against your skin.
  • call someone. call a loved one, a friend, a family member, call a chat service if you have no one else to call. talk to a stranger on the street. have a conversation and listen to someone’s voice. if you can’t, text or email or whatever, just have some social interaction with another person. even if you don’t say much, listen to them.
  • cuddle your pets if you have them/can cuddle them. take pictures of them. talk to them. tell them how u feel, about your favorite movie, a new game coming out.

Circulating. Seasonal depression is creeping around now.

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Lets keep this moving

A banner reading ’#Believe Kathryn Mayorga’ flies over the staduium during the Premier League match at Old Trafford, Manchester. Picture date: Saturday September 11, 2021.

ooh look! spotted the same(?) extra in two scenes !

this character has been on a journey bro, 1823 apparently going through a smallpox outbreak in 'montreuil', and then in possibly 1848 they decided to take down the government in paris

I'd like to hear them out. Sounds like there were a lot of events there

there they are again, I think! In the back but very visible, in the revolting crowd wearing the heaven outfit

my guess then is they die in the barricade, unless they wore the same outfit from 1832 to 1848

EDIT: sorry I went back and checked now that I got a clearer view of the second person, the one in montreuil and this paris extra aren't the same. Hard to tell with all the shaky cam cause none of them gets a clear shot

the answer so far seems to be 'no', unless this person is the same

I can't tell, because the only clear shot they got in montfermeuil they were in the corner with a fisheye lens and their face was super stretched out. So, unless they get another fisheye lens shot I can't tell :/

Films about the Paris Commune

  • Sur les traces de Maxime Lisbonne, le D'Artagnan de la Commune Par Jacques Swirn, socio-historien, Marcel Cerf, historien. Durée : 27  minutes;  réalisateur : Margueritte, Jacqueline; auteur : Cerf,  Claudine; producteur : CNDP. 1983, France.-
  • L'émeute sur la barricade Le premier film sur la Commune de Paris intitulé (durée 4 minutes). Réalisatrice Alice Guy, 1906-
  • La Commune (Paris 1871) Film de Peter Watkins coproduction La Sept ARTE, 13 Production, Musée d'Orsay, France 2000 durée 5h45
  •  La Commune Film de Ken Mc Mullen coproduction ARTE, France/Grande-Bretagne 1990 durée 1h30.-
  • Les Aubes de Paris Real. Grigori Rochal, 1936, URSS, 1 H 42.-
  • La Commune Réal. Armand Guerra, 1914, France, 13 minutes.
  • La Barricade du Point du Jour, Réal. René Richon, 1977,couleur, 1 H 50.
  • Le Destin de Rossel, Réal. Jean Prat, 1966, noir et blanc, 1 H 25. Partie
  • - Le Festin de Babette, Réal. Gabriel Axel, 1987, couleur, Danemark, 1 H 39.-
  • Héros et martyrs de la Commune, Réal. F. Loupatine, URSS, 1921.-
  • Jaroslav Dombrowski Réal. Bohdan Poreba, URSS, 1975, couleur, 2 H 12. Russian Polish
  •  1871, Réal. Ken Mc Kullen, Grande Bretagne 1990, couleur, 1 H 40.-
  •  Louis Rossel et la Commune de Paris, Réal. Serge Moatti, 1977, couleur, 1 H 43. Trailer
  • Lénine à Paris, Réal. Youtkevitch, URSS, 1981.-
  • La Nouvelle Babylone Réal. Grégori Kozintsev et Léonid Trauberg, 1929, muet, URSS, 1 H 23.-
  • La Pipe du Communard Réal. C Mardjanov, 1929, URSS, muet, 49 minutes.-
  • La Semaine sanglante, Réal Joël Farges, 1976, couleur 53 minutes.-
  • Une Journée au Luxembourg, Réal. Jean Baronnet, 1993, couleur, 50 minute-
  • Actualités Gaumont :    - 1911 : 40me anniversaire ;    - 1936 : la manifestation au mur ;    - Mai 1945.-
  • A l'Assaut du ciel, Réal. Jean Péré, 1962, noir et blanc, 19 minutes.- L'Année terrible, Réal. Claude Santelli, 1984, couleur, 2 H 06.-
  • La Commune de 1871 Réal. Cécile Clairval et Olivier Ricard, 1971, noir et blanc, 1 H 16.-
  • La commune de Paris 1871 (54 minutes) un documentaire réalisé en 2004 par Medhi Lallaoui.-
  • La Commune de Paris Réal. Robert Menegoz, 1951, noir et blanc, 26 minutes.- Les Communards cassette vidéo de 52 mn, réalisée par Léon Rabinowicz, disponible chez les Amis de la Commune.
  • - La Commune, Louise Michel et nous, Réal. Michèle Gard, 1972, noir et blanc, 45 minutes.-
  •  Mémoire Commune, Réal Patrick Poitevin, 1978, couleur, 1 H 20.-
  • L'œuvre législative de la Commune, Réal. Claude Tertrais, 1986, couleur, 27 minutes.-
  •  Paris au temps des cerises, Réal. Jacques Darribehaude et Jean Desvilles, 1965, noir et blanc, 28 minutes.-
  • Paris 1871, la Semaine sanglante, Réal. Jean-Pierre Gallo, 1976, couleur, 56 minutes.-
  • Si on avait su, Réal Stanislas Choko, 1976, couleur, 13 minutes.-
  •  Un solo funèbre, la Commune de Paris, Réal Jacques Cogniaux, 1971, noir et blanc, 1 H 41.-
  • Le temps des cerises, la Commune et les livres, Réal Robert Lombaerts, 1971, noir et blanc, 45 minutes.-
  • La IIIme République ; les premières années, Réal. Daniel Lander, 1970, noir et blanc, 1 H 07.-
  • Le Voile écarlate de Paris, Réal. Marlen Khoutsiev, URSS, 1971, couleur, 1 H 19.
  • Henri Guillemin raconte la Commune, documentaire en 13 épisodes de la TSR, 1971.
  • Les grandes batailles du passé - Paris (1871), la semaine sanglante
  • Louise Michel, Solveig Anspach, France, 2010
  • Les Damnés de la Commune, de Raphaël Meyssan, film d’animation, 2021.
  • Rives d'exil, de Céline Léger, court-métrage, 2021.
  • Die Tage der Commune (DDR, 1966)
  • Nederlaget, Norvège, 1966
  • Pour la France - Animation Short Film 2019 - GOBELINS
  • Comme un echo , 2011

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