What it also means is this; He believed that because he had failed in killing Thanos, he was no longer worthy of anything. He believed that because he couldn’t save his brother or mother, that he shouldn’t be worthy. He believed that because he became a depressed alcoholic that he was still unworthy.
But THIS moment in the film is when he finally realizes that he is still worthy, despite all these things! This is the turning point for Thor in his viewpoint in the film! He changes with this reassurance that he is good. This reminder is something so many with depression and mental illness don’t have. However, seeing this vulnerability in such a strong SUPERhero is riveting! This moment is one all those who struggle with their health can look at and smile. As Thor says,
YOU ARE STILL WORTHY!
YOUR MENTAL ILLNESS AND PAST DO NOT DEFINE YOU!
THIS POST IS YOUR MJOLNIR, YOUR REMINDER, TO KEEP YOU GOING!
so is nobody gonna talk about how Mjolnir used to be Hela’s?!! i can’t believe i didn’t even notice this during the mural scene until my second viewing. like, she didn’t catch the hammer because she is more powerful than Thor (being Odin’s firstborn and all), she caught it because it was her hammer.
i need to go back and watch the first Thor film bc i think Odin said something along the lines of “the hammer is a tool to build and not just a weapon to destroy”, which is why he FLIPPED OUT when Thor went on that little destruction bender against the Frost Giants and HOLY MOLY Thor and Odin’s headbutting matches in the first film mean so much more now than just father and son disagreements about leading Asgard!!!
and then there’s Heimdall’s line during Thor’s vision in Age Of Ultron “You’re a destroyer, Odinson. See where your power leads.“ Destroyer = a family trait.
Meanwhile, we’re all over here worried about Loki doing evil things, but it was never about Loki.
Odin wasn’t concerned about Thor being too immature to lead, he was terrified Thor was headed down the same path of destruction and conquest as his first child, so he banished Thor to Midgard and placed a child-security-lock on the hammer to prevent a potential Hela 2.0 and i need to lay down now 0__0
Odin is still a shit parent for not coming clean about all of this. being straightforward and honest coulda saved a lot of hassle…fuckin odin >:C
“Hey honey.” Tony looked up from his computer and ran his fingers through his hair tiredly. “Aren’t you looking pretty? Clean up real nice, don’t you? Oh yeah just real nice. Look at you all shiny and shit.”
His words were nearly slurring, but not because he was drunk. No, Tony just hadn’t slept in pushing thirty six– oh scratch that– forty two hours.
So he was way past exhausted and edging quickly into so-tired-I’m-just-wide- awake-and-hallucinating-things territory.
Which was a very plausible excuse for the fact that he was not only chatting up, but almost coming on to Mjolnir as she sat on the table where Thor had left her earlier. Of course Tony knew he was talking to Mjolnir, but hey, if he could talk to his bots like they understood him, he was damn sure gonna talk to a hammer that had some sort of life energy or force of it’s own.
Sorry, of her own.
So sure. Tony was chatting up the hammer.
“You wanna go to bed?” Tony asked her and then giggled to himself. “No not with me. I better take you back to Thor, he will probably get all sorts of jealous if you end up in my room. Is that weird? Do you like.. Do you have anything going on in there?”
Tony blinked at the hammer for a minute. “That line of thinking is going to get very weird very quickly, so let’s abandon it. My god, I need to sleep. Standing here waiting for a hammer to talk back to me. Alright. Upsie-Daisy let’s get going.”
Ya’ll know this confirms the theory that Steve actually could lift the hammer in AOU, but chose not to, right? The way he doesn’t look surprised that the hammer came to him? Also, you have to call the hammer, it doesn’t just randomly fly at you. So, he knew. He’s always known.
I suspect, in AOU, he either didn’t want to embarrass Thor, or he didn’t want to have to answer questions / get shit from the rest of the Avengers. They already had the ‘language’ thing, they didn’t need more ammo.
my official Steve and Mjolnir hc is that Steve’s always been able to life it, but back in Ultron Steve always dramatic Rogers decided the party wasn’t a fun enough way to reveal this so decided he wanted to lift it in casual conversation, but then ofc Vision did it first and so Steve was like well now I’ve got to do it at an even bigger opportunity but then the chance just never came along until the big show down against Thanos and Steve picks up Mjolnir like yeah, I guess this is a dramatic enough moment
Of course one of the things that just make me so gd ecstatic about Ragnarok is that we finally got to see Thor and the level of power he really possesses. I still don’t think we’ve seen what he can fully unleash yet, but Ragnarok was a breath of fresh air because I feel as if they severely depowered him in the past movies.
This panel pretty much sums up my feelings about his situation for the past movies:
You want some ice for that, Tony?
Thor 1 made sense with his powers not being as formative looking because he spent over half the movie without them. In Avengers we saw his strength and his power, but it wasn’t anything that we were presented with as being overly different or magnificent. We see him light shit up and fight like a badass, but I still think that the MCU didn’t really tap into what made Thor Thor. Whether this was intended because he was holding back or not isn’t too clear, but still, I was left wanting.
Dark World and Ultron showed us some more of his powers to affect the elements and use them to his advantage. Also, we how much he could endure in a fight without him getting too beat up. But still, it felt like they didn’t give him his due.
Mjolnir has always been such a prominent weapon, fixture, and symbol for Thor that you literally cannot picture him without it. The immediate knee-jerk reaction is that Thor without Mjolnir isn’t as powerful or deadly. Even Thor thinks that because it’s what he was presented with as a youth. Almost as if it were a crutch. Mjolnir was a very powerful weapon, but in the end, Mjolnir was only as powerful as Thor. Odin even said that it was there to help focus the power he already had and that Mjolnir wasn’t source of how powerful Thor could be. He’s not the god of hammers, he’s the god of thunder.
I love Mjolnir. I feel like they were a character on its own and they will be missed. Korg put it so nicely:
“Sounds like you had a pretty special and intimate relationship with this hammer and you losing it was almost comparable to losing a loved one.”
“That’s a nice way of putting it.”
That is perfect because to Thor Mjolnir was a part of him and seeing that part of him destroyed is no minor thing. He’s lost his father, found out that his sister is a maniac that just wants to rule and kill everything, and had Mjolnir bite the dust all within a literal 10 minute period. Seriously if that were me I’d be a mess, but hey, this is Thor and he can compartmentalize like a champ.
While I’ll miss Mjolnir very much, the destruction of them was very necessary for Thor to grow as a character and fighter. It gave the audience who may not be as familiar with Thor as we diehards are a good look as to how powerful he really is. He is the weapon. He is the one that would ultimately cause the destruction of his enemies, not Mjolnir.
I’m happy that Ragnarok showed us what Thor could be without Mjolnir same as in Iron Man 3 we saw what Tony could do without his suits. These guys are far, far more than their tech and their weapons. It showed us they can be equally badass without.
Then there’s his fight with Hulk. There’s always debate about who is stronger and who would win, but Thor was created to be stronger than Hulk.
Of course, it varies with writers through the comics, but he was originally created to be stronger, so he’s stronger than Hulk and no one can tell me differently.
We saw in Avengers how well matched he was with Hulk, but there was no clear winner because things were all over the place in regards to what was going on.
This is why I love the gladiator arena fight so much because you see both Thor and Hulk just absolutely throw down and not hold back. You see Thor throw Hulk and just send him flying around half the damn arena. Thor gets absolutely pummeled in the face repeatedly and he barely has a scratch on him. This is how powerful and indestructible he really is. He is in no way a lightweight in the MCU and can go toe to toe with the best.
I fully believe that had the fight been seen through that Thor would have won. I think Grandmaster realized this, especially as Thor was connecting to his powers deeper down. Hulk would lose so Grandmaster did what he had to and took Thor out of the game. While I would have liked to have seen Thor win, I thought that this was kind of a clever way to have it as so there was no clear winner. Everyone kinda leaves happy.
Then, of course, there’s The Scene™. The Scene to end all scenes and my life. We see a fully powered up Thor that absolutely deals out destruction and doesn’t take names. This is Thor THE God of Thunder. This is the Thor that hasn’t been given to us before. This is the Thor that finally understands the depth and reach of his powers and that it’s him and nothing else doing this. This is him unleashing the thunder and lightening to end all thunder and lightening.
been dreaming of
I literally cannot thank Taika Waititi and Ragnarok enough for this. I hope that he just grows more powerful and we see more epic shit like this in Infinity War.
People like to write the “Peter can pick up Mjölnir” trope as Peter not knowing he’s picking it up at that moment or not knowing why it’s such a feat that he picked it up when we all know DAMN WELL his smug ass picked that shit up on purpose.
Listen, Cap picking up Mjolnir was great and everything but you know what would’ve been more iconic? Natasha picking up Mjolnir. I know, I know, she died before the battle and everything. But think about it.
Steve couldn’t pick up Mjolnir in AoU. Maybe it was because he didn’t want to, but maybe it was because he wasn’t worthy. But what, exactly, happened between AoU and Endgame that made his worthier? What changed? I don’t know. Steve was always a good character. He always did what he thought was the right thing, putting that ship in TFA into the ice, thinking it would kill him, going off to fight a war being his scrawny little self, letting a German scientist experiment on him even though he might die. So what changed? Nothing, not really.
But Natasha? She had red on her ledger. She was an assassin. She killed people, murdered them. And she was trying to fix that. She was helping. For five years, FIVE YEARS, while everyone wallowed and left and didn’t look back, Natasha stayed. She stayed there, and she didn’t stop. She tried and tried and tried and tried. Steve? Started a support group, and did god knows what, and yeah that’s great. But essentially, he gave up. Decided there was no way to fix it, and moved on. Tony? I love Tony with all my heart, I really do, but he moved on too. He got married. He had a kid. And god, he deserved it, after everything he went through. But didn’t Natasha, too? She could’ve moved on, gotten a life, chilled out, watched movies, have fun. But she didn’t. She STAYED. And she sacrificed herself, not knowing if they would win or not.
I just wish that she had realized her worth. Realized she was worthy. Realized that she had cleared the red on her ledger. That she was more than an assassin-turned-spy, known for murdering people. She was more than the girl who went through hell in the Red Room. She was a hero. And she was worthy.