Saw another post saying this bs so ill make a post about it myself :)

STOP SAYING NONVERBAL IS ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE PERMANENTLY NONVERBAL. ITS NOT TRUE.

Tell me where does it say its only ever a permanent state. Point to it for me because I sure cant fucking see it because its not what nonverbal means.

Tumblr users learn to question things they read online challenge instead of mindlessly spreading bullshit bc someone says ur ableist if u dont. Nonverbal is meant for and always was meant for all types of nonverbal, permanent, changing day to day, or maybe you were for one portion of youre life but not anymore or vise versa. Its all nonverbal. IT ALL COUNTS.

Stop saying it doesnt. Its not accurate. Literally taking two steps outside of tumblr is all it takes to realize how ridiculous this is. Doctors parents educators and autistic ppl from all over the spectrum have been using it just fine for years.

This attempt to section off and stir infighting in the nd community isnt real this time actually. Can we focus on actual ableism please?

nonverbal in autism context is about permanent . just see how nonverbal autism define : that never learn to speak , or only very small number words . that is where come from when say to community that nonverbal belong to people with permanent inability . there is room in nonverbal community for people that lose forever - could speak , now can not at all - but still , permanent is important part .

but . when people who lose only sometimes take this word , those people quick overrun people who can not at all speak , make harder find each other , and , often assume have same experiences same feelings .

those people assume gwydion experience just as much temporary episodes and address like " obviously " can " do better " .

those people look down on gwydion for language problems , for write with AAC , for can not force fit .

those people think fair tell gwydion how " need " live life and do things , when no , not understand because not experience forever . ( base on tags , should know that for self , too : people treat very different if not talk only sometimes versus not talk forever . )

people in physical life who used to respect gwydion , now barely see as person . people assume immediately gwydion have no competence . people try force speak speak speak use voice speak . constantly . this never end . never ever ever .

that is why say nonverbal for permanent . in autism context , is how medically define , and people in community who medically define as nonverbal have right stand up and say please not take word .

gwydion will block if answer is rude . if do not want give civil answer , block gwydion first and get nice snacks .

Huh weird still absolutely 0 mention of duration. Stop making shit up.

Like seriously it barely takes a google search to see how bullshit this is. Stop bullshitting everyone and taking focus away from like. Actually harmful stuff?

“Be nice about me spreading bullshit or Ill just shut my ears :(“

I gave you more sources proving ur bullshit and said to knock it off, that was it. I dont have time to entertain petty horseshit discourse just to stir the tumblr drama pot. Get real.

Nonverbal was never “stolen” from you. It just happens to cover a wide range EVEN IN DISABILITY DEFINITIONS. It NEVER BELONGED TO JUST YOURE SPECIFIC TYPE. AND IT NEVER HAS.

Idk how many more screenshots I need to show until yall will actually start thinking critically about any of this. Notice this is only a rhing inside tumblr. No one no matter what level they are ive met in real life have EVER meant it to mean that bc thats not what it fucking means.

maybe stop stirring shit and causing unnecessary division and maybe ill be a little less tired of it. I dont have to tolerate your bullshit.

More screenshots rhis time from hospitals

Anyways try to argue all you want im going to go with what ive seen and been told by real life ppl both professionals and ppl with autism of all levels and speech ability. And not a group of tumblr users. And if ur mad have fun in the replies <3

Saw another post saying this bs so ill make a post about it myself :)

STOP SAYING NONVERBAL IS ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE PERMANENTLY NONVERBAL. ITS NOT TRUE.

Tell me where does it say its only ever a permanent state. Point to it for me because I sure cant fucking see it because its not what nonverbal means.

Tumblr users learn to question things they read online challenge instead of mindlessly spreading bullshit bc someone says ur ableist if u dont. Nonverbal is meant for and always was meant for all types of nonverbal, permanent, changing day to day, or maybe you were for one portion of youre life but not anymore or vise versa. Its all nonverbal. IT ALL COUNTS.

Stop saying it doesnt. Its not accurate. Literally taking two steps outside of tumblr is all it takes to realize how ridiculous this is. Doctors parents educators and autistic ppl from all over the spectrum have been using it just fine for years.

This attempt to section off and stir infighting in the nd community isnt real this time actually. Can we focus on actual ableism please?

nonverbal in autism context is about permanent . just see how nonverbal autism define : that never learn to speak , or only very small number words . that is where come from when say to community that nonverbal belong to people with permanent inability . there is room in nonverbal community for people that lose forever - could speak , now can not at all - but still , permanent is important part .

but . when people who lose only sometimes take this word , those people quick overrun people who can not at all speak , make harder find each other , and , often assume have same experiences same feelings .

those people assume gwydion experience just as much temporary episodes and address like " obviously " can " do better " .

those people look down on gwydion for language problems , for write with AAC , for can not force fit .

those people think fair tell gwydion how " need " live life and do things , when no , not understand because not experience forever . ( base on tags , should know that for self , too : people treat very different if not talk only sometimes versus not talk forever . )

people in physical life who used to respect gwydion , now barely see as person . people assume immediately gwydion have no competence . people try force speak speak speak use voice speak . constantly . this never end . never ever ever .

that is why say nonverbal for permanent . in autism context , is how medically define , and people in community who medically define as nonverbal have right stand up and say please not take word .

gwydion will block if answer is rude . if do not want give civil answer , block gwydion first and get nice snacks .

Huh weird still absolutely 0 mention of duration. Stop making shit up.

Like seriously it barely takes a google search to see how bullshit this is. Stop bullshitting everyone and taking focus away from like. Actually harmful stuff?

“Be nice about me spreading bullshit or Ill just shut my ears :(“

I gave you more sources proving ur bullshit and said to knock it off, that was it. I dont have time to entertain petty horseshit discourse just to stir the tumblr drama pot. Get real.

Nonverbal was never “stolen” from you. It just happens to cover a wide range EVEN IN DISABILITY DEFINITIONS. It NEVER BELONGED TO JUST YOURE SPECIFIC TYPE. AND IT NEVER HAS.

Idk how many more screenshots I need to show until yall will actually start thinking critically about any of this. Notice this is only a rhing inside tumblr. No one no matter what level they are ive met in real life have EVER meant it to mean that bc thats not what it fucking means.

maybe stop stirring shit and causing unnecessary division and maybe ill be a little less tired of it. I dont have to tolerate your bullshit.

More screenshots rhis time from hospitals

Saw another post saying this bs so ill make a post about it myself :)

STOP SAYING NONVERBAL IS ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE PERMANENTLY NONVERBAL. ITS NOT TRUE.

Tell me where does it say its only ever a permanent state. Point to it for me because I sure cant fucking see it because its not what nonverbal means.

Tumblr users learn to question things they read online challenge instead of mindlessly spreading bullshit bc someone says ur ableist if u dont. Nonverbal is meant for and always was meant for all types of nonverbal, permanent, changing day to day, or maybe you were for one portion of youre life but not anymore or vise versa. Its all nonverbal. IT ALL COUNTS.

Stop saying it doesnt. Its not accurate. Literally taking two steps outside of tumblr is all it takes to realize how ridiculous this is. Doctors parents educators and autistic ppl from all over the spectrum have been using it just fine for years.

This attempt to section off and stir infighting in the nd community isnt real this time actually. Can we focus on actual ableism please?

nonverbal in autism context is about permanent . just see how nonverbal autism define : that never learn to speak , or only very small number words . that is where come from when say to community that nonverbal belong to people with permanent inability . there is room in nonverbal community for people that lose forever - could speak , now can not at all - but still , permanent is important part .

but . when people who lose only sometimes take this word , those people quick overrun people who can not at all speak , make harder find each other , and , often assume have same experiences same feelings .

those people assume gwydion experience just as much temporary episodes and address like " obviously " can " do better " .

those people look down on gwydion for language problems , for write with AAC , for can not force fit .

those people think fair tell gwydion how " need " live life and do things , when no , not understand because not experience forever . ( base on tags , should know that for self , too : people treat very different if not talk only sometimes versus not talk forever . )

people in physical life who used to respect gwydion , now barely see as person . people assume immediately gwydion have no competence . people try force speak speak speak use voice speak . constantly . this never end . never ever ever .

that is why say nonverbal for permanent . in autism context , is how medically define , and people in community who medically define as nonverbal have right stand up and say please not take word .

gwydion will block if answer is rude . if do not want give civil answer , block gwydion first and get nice snacks .

Huh weird still absolutely 0 mention of duration. Stop making shit up.

Like seriously it barely takes a google search to see how bullshit this is. Stop bullshitting everyone and taking focus away from like. Actually harmful stuff?

“Be nice about me spreading bullshit or Ill just shut my ears :(“

I gave you more sources proving ur bullshit and said to knock it off, that was it. I dont have time to entertain petty horseshit discourse just to stir the tumblr drama pot. Get real.

Nonverbal was never “stolen” from you. It just happens to cover a wide range EVEN IN DISABILITY DEFINITIONS. It NEVER BELONGED TO JUST YOURE SPECIFIC TYPE. AND IT NEVER HAS.

Idk how many more screenshots I need to show until yall will actually start thinking critically about any of this. Notice this is only a rhing inside tumblr. No one no matter what level they are ive met in real life have EVER meant it to mean that bc thats not what it fucking means.

maybe stop stirring shit and causing unnecessary division and maybe ill be a little less tired of it. I dont have to tolerate your bullshit.

Saw another post saying this bs so ill make a post about it myself :)

STOP SAYING NONVERBAL IS ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE PERMANENTLY NONVERBAL. ITS NOT TRUE.

Tell me where does it say its only ever a permanent state. Point to it for me because I sure cant fucking see it because its not what nonverbal means.

Tumblr users learn to question things they read online challenge instead of mindlessly spreading bullshit bc someone says ur ableist if u dont. Nonverbal is meant for and always was meant for all types of nonverbal, permanent, changing day to day, or maybe you were for one portion of youre life but not anymore or vise versa. Its all nonverbal. IT ALL COUNTS.

Stop saying it doesnt. Its not accurate. Literally taking two steps outside of tumblr is all it takes to realize how ridiculous this is. Doctors parents educators and autistic ppl from all over the spectrum have been using it just fine for years.

This attempt to section off and stir infighting in the nd community isnt real this time actually. Can we focus on actual ableism please?

nonverbal in autism context is about permanent . just see how nonverbal autism define : that never learn to speak , or only very small number words . that is where come from when say to community that nonverbal belong to people with permanent inability . there is room in nonverbal community for people that lose forever - could speak , now can not at all - but still , permanent is important part .

but . when people who lose only sometimes take this word , those people quick overrun people who can not at all speak , make harder find each other , and , often assume have same experiences same feelings .

those people assume gwydion experience just as much temporary episodes and address like " obviously " can " do better " .

those people look down on gwydion for language problems , for write with AAC , for can not force fit .

those people think fair tell gwydion how " need " live life and do things , when no , not understand because not experience forever . ( base on tags , should know that for self , too : people treat very different if not talk only sometimes versus not talk forever . )

people in physical life who used to respect gwydion , now barely see as person . people assume immediately gwydion have no competence . people try force speak speak speak use voice speak . constantly . this never end . never ever ever .

that is why say nonverbal for permanent . in autism context , is how medically define , and people in community who medically define as nonverbal have right stand up and say please not take word .

gwydion will block if answer is rude . if do not want give civil answer , block gwydion first and get nice snacks .

Huh weird still absolutely 0 mention of duration. Stop making shit up.

Like seriously it barely takes a google search to see how bullshit this is. Stop bullshitting everyone and taking focus away from like. Actually harmful stuff?

Saw another post saying this bs so ill make a post about it myself :)

STOP SAYING NONVERBAL IS ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE PERMANENTLY NONVERBAL. ITS NOT TRUE.

Tell me where does it say its only ever a permanent state. Point to it for me because I sure cant fucking see it because its not what nonverbal means.

Tumblr users learn to question things they read online challenge instead of mindlessly spreading bullshit bc someone says ur ableist if u dont. Nonverbal is meant for and always was meant for all types of nonverbal, permanent, changing day to day, or maybe you were for one portion of youre life but not anymore or vise versa. Its all nonverbal. IT ALL COUNTS.

Stop saying it doesnt. Its not accurate. Literally taking two steps outside of tumblr is all it takes to realize how ridiculous this is. Doctors parents educators and autistic ppl from all over the spectrum have been using it just fine for years.

This attempt to section off and stir infighting in the nd community isnt real this time actually. Can we focus on actual ableism please?

nonverbal in autism context is about permanent . just see how nonverbal autism define : that never learn to speak , or only very small number words . that is where come from when say to community that nonverbal belong to people with permanent inability . there is room in nonverbal community for people that lose forever - could speak , now can not at all - but still , permanent is important part .

but . when people who lose only sometimes take this word , those people quick overrun people who can not at all speak , make harder find each other , and , often assume have same experiences same feelings .

those people assume gwydion experience just as much temporary episodes and address like " obviously " can " do better " .

those people look down on gwydion for language problems , for write with AAC , for can not force fit .

those people think fair tell gwydion how " need " live life and do things , when no , not understand because not experience forever . ( base on tags , should know that for self , too : people treat very different if not talk only sometimes versus not talk forever . )

people in physical life who used to respect gwydion , now barely see as person . people assume immediately gwydion have no competence . people try force speak speak speak use voice speak . constantly . this never end . never ever ever .

that is why say nonverbal for permanent . in autism context , is how medically define , and people in community who medically define as nonverbal have right stand up and say please not take word .

gwydion will block if answer is rude . if do not want give civil answer , block gwydion first and get nice snacks .

Huh weird still absolutely 0 mention of duration. Stop making shit up.

Stretching isn't enough I need my spine removed and repeatedly cracked like a whip

Tell me a thing about your childhood that isn't inherently super traumatic but is sus and kinda indicitive of the environment you grew up in.

I'll start, my childhood favorite movie series from when I was under five was the Final Destination series.

okay apparently there’s another wave of Twitter refugees? so just to be clear to anyone new who might be following me: I love mspec lesbians and gays, I say queer and dyke and faggot regularly, I think everyone should use any pronouns they want forever and ever, I think it/its and neopronouns users are cool as hell, I LOVE xenogenders and silly little made up identities, and I think everyone should do WHATEVER THEY WANT FOREVER, amen 😌

some of y’all will be like “yeah i support autistic people” and then go bully the weird kid at school

this is literally internalized ableism. fym “it’s not ok” it’s not hurting anyone. protect ND kids and stop saying shit like this

lmao i mean i'm autistic and looking back i was definitely asking for all the shit i got as a kid.

No. No you weren't. You were a child, who should have been safe to do silly, harmless things like wear a cape and make noises. You should not have ever been hurt for those things.

As an adult, if you saw a kid wearing a cape or meowing, and then saw them hit or screamed at for it, would you say to yourself "That's okay, that child deserves to be harmed." Or would you say "That kid is just being a kid, stop hurting them!"

I sincerely hope it is the second one. I sincerely hope you recognize that you deserved to be protected from harm, and that it is a wrong to you that you were not.

im so worried about tall boys….be safe…be careful up there… maybe u should come down here and kiss me

@paulbe75

when u reach a certain friendship level w me u unlock me sending u posts that fit ur aesthetic/interests. its honestly an entire love language

Nonverbal.

This is the word that professionals, parents, and MANY neurodivergent people use for themselves when they find themselves unable to talk, or, yk, verbalize stuff.

If you look up nonverbal, like the definition, on Google, just about every entry will say something along the lines of "unable to verbalize or use speech to communicate".

Nowhere does it explicitly say that you have to be unable to speak...forever.

So uh...what's the deal, tumblr?

Like. Listen. I am autistic. I'm professionally diagnosed with ASD. I also have direct family members who have ASD. And literally for as long as I've known about autism, and specifically nonverbal as a term, it's been used to describe anybody who lacks the ability to verbally communicate. For any amount of time.

Recently, someone, idk who, came to me on tumblr, and all but told me that to call myself nonverbal was ableist. They said that nonverbal as a term is used explicitly for people who aren't EVER able to talk.

They told me to use the phrase "speech loss" instead.

Initially I was off put by this. Speech loss. I mean I guess that is technically a way of phrasing it, and I don't really want to be ableist, so... sure. Why not.

But the more I thought about it, the more absurd it started to seem. Speech loss?? Speech loss?????

It's such a mouthful. Doesn't roll off the tongue like at all. I have speech issues even when I CAN verbalize and even just this little thing makes trying to talk about my issues frustrating enough that I don't want to do it.

And for what?

It's the same thing. It's literally the same thing. Both are periods in which an individual is physically or mentally unable to communicate verbally or in any spoken form. (Surprise, I don't get to choose when or for how long I experience "speech loss".) It is still a LACK of verbal communication. By definition....

It's still nonverbal.

I also recently was able to talk to someone else about this issue! And it hit me how chronically online this cold take is. Like, I'm sorry, but no professionals are calling it "speech loss". That's an internet (specifically tumblr) born issue. People in real life, in the real world that actually matters, aren't calling it "speech loss".

I also heard from that individual that some people are pushing to call it "nonspeaking episodes"...which is even worse/more clunky than speech loss. Why would you suggest that. People with ASD commonly struggle with speech. This is just an added frustration.

And like not only does that tell me that people aren't considering how it actually sounds irl (probably bc nobody irl is using either), it also shows that...it isn't even like. A widespread or known thing. Bc its a new issue that some jokers made up for some reason!! Like it's not even coordinated enough for there to just be one overcomplicated word for it.

So this is my little psa.

Stop saying it's ableist. It's not. Stop saying it's inaccurate. It's not.

If you or a loved one has been told that it is, it's not. You need not consider that fact any longer. It was honest to goodness probably someone looking to stir up drama.

We don't need any more division in the community, especially over something that...literally is a non-issue. Nonverbal people are all valid nonverbals. Leave em be.

@stormofstarlight had an excellent addition that I feel should be brought to light.

This is actually horse crap.

The people who were "so scared" of minimizing the experiences of nonverbal people were literally taking a term from a different disabled community. That's pretty jacked up!!!!

Now, normally I would have said "if you wanna say speech loss, cool, whatever, the post was about how it's NOT ableism to say nonverbal instead"

But I think it's safe to say that it is actually taking representation and visibility away from other disabled folk if we try to boil down speech loss to "nonverbal but not forever".

New PSA!

Don't use speech loss.*

(*to describe being nonverbal)

Please do the reblog thing so more people can see this

trying to poorly explain polyfragmented DID because i think people with regular DID don’t fully get it

regular DID: its like being at a social gathering. Size will vary, you probably know who’s there at least vaguely. Wether they’re a partner or a friend or a friend of a friend or an ex or an old classmate, you’ll probably see them again and say hello at least.

c-DID: it’s like being in a huge crowded shopping centre or mall, there are potentially hundreds of thousands of people most of whom you don’t know and will never see again, some people are in groups, some alone- you might have a few friends there who you’ll stick with, you might run into people you know there, you might meet new people, but you won’t ever meet everyone there, and trying to is a Sisyphean task. There are thousands of shops all teaming with different people, there are lounge areas and food courts with other people, but it’s never all the people.

see, while if you’re at a social gathering you’ll be able to talk to the people attending and have group meetings and organize things, It is impossible to do that in a crowded mall or shopping centre or city street. Similarly, while things like simplyplural and tracking and group discussions might be good for someone with regular DID, it’s impossible for someone who’s polyfragmented to do that. It’s not just having a large alter count, it’s being surrounded by strangers and people you will never see again, it’s having too vast of a space and too many sub compartments and ecosystems to ever conceivably work as a group or “agree” on anything.

I think the larger DID community expects us to work the way they do, but we cant. We have our own methods of functioning as a collective and its a lot more complicated for us in a lot of ways, so just generally please stop pressuring polygragmented systems to work the way you do.

here's just this panel bc. it is funny

Thinking about ableism

Thinking about how ambulatory wheelchair users get accused of being fakers and people are surprised when we can walk

and yet non-ambulatory wheelchair users also face "can't you just walk a few steps?? well, why not?!?"

It's a perfect example of how there is no group of disabled that doesn't experience ableism.

Invisible or visible, physical or psychiatric, fluctuating symptoms or consistent, late diagnosed or early, disabled from birth or later in life, high or low support needs... we all face ableism. The amount and type can vary, but with ableism so baked into the very foundation of our society, we all face SIGNIFICANT ableism.

Remember, the real enemy is abled hegemony.

making fun of ppl with disorganized speech or trouble articulating themself or lots of typos or anything else isn't funny actually

calling someone stupid for using a wrong word in place of a similar word, saying someones typos are "homestuck speech," complaining about someone with an aac device "taking too long" to say something, making fun of someone stuttering or mumbling, none of it is funny at all

Hot take that needs to be said via antiwork

My queers, we really need to put the "no men" thing away. Men are not inherently bad. There are queer men. There are questioning men. There's men that are just plain cool. Denying these men a space at our table is not helping - except the TERFs. I just came off the back of reading a transphobe gleeful rant about the need to have pride without men - They of course mean me. This kind of stuff is damaging to me and I really need us all to take a step back and maybe kill this "men dni, men not allowed" stuff. What you mean is "no men who are going to do mean stuff to me." And frankly those men won't give a shit about that kind of boundary.

But I promise you there's a fleet of good honest men who will see that and be sad they're not allowed in your version of queer spaces.

PATRIARCHY is what you hate. Dni Patriarchs.