So, if Luke presumably trained Kylo from a rather young age until he was around 23 years old, and Snoke has only been training him for the past six years (and has presumably taken a break for who knows how long by the time TFA rolls around, as Snoke suggests with his “time to finish his training” comment), it’s no wonder Kylo is so conflicted, really. He’s much closer to a Jedi than a Dark side user.

a thought/head-canon hit me when reading this, what if Snoke wanted kylo to stay partially light side just so his inner conflict is something that will always be with him, drive him forward/mad in seeking out the dark, making him feel “un-finished” so his (snokes) grasp on him could manipulate him (kylo) even further.. i mean as long as kylos training is un-finished he can never leave snoke/kill him/take over bla bla bla.. It kinda enhances the whole “emotional abuse” even further, its a very cruel manipulation method and scary as hell, Snoke is keeping Kylo in limbo, not allowing him to finish his training and become what kylo has been taught to desiree (sith) but also not letting him embrace the light..like.. hes actually making him hate himself for it instead..
- urgh sad head-canons are sad.

This makes even more sense when you think about Snoke telling Kylo that killing Han was his ultimate test. Snoke knew that Kylo wouldn’t feel more powerful by doing that, he would feel even weaker and more conflicted. That’s what Snoke wants, to keep him weak and in constant suffering. Probably because Snoke fears how powerful Kylo is, that’s why he took him away from his Jedi training, where Kylo would be able to develop his full potential with Luke, and instead of helping Kylo to be stronger, Snoke is actually holding him back.
^^ I never looked at it this way. Hmm…then what about Snoke saying now that Kylo Ren’s training should be completed? Is it because of the now looming threat of Rey coming into the picture? I guess we shall see what happens next

I wouldn’t be surprised if Kylo’s final test is to kill the new object of his compassion aka Rey. Or Leia, no one less than his mom. Either way, i don’t think he will be able to do this.

yeah I think so too, also (on another note regarding why snoke want to finalize his training) Rey kinda makes him weak and draws kylo closer to the light, which sorta un-dos snokes “work” on kylo, feeling it necessary that since rey is pulling him closer to one side (the light) he needs to pull a bit harder in the other direction as well.. kinda also thinks that Snoke sees this as a “final battle” thing and intend to off kylo once this is over so he might as well use him for his full potential just once before he gets rid of him

Okay but guys I think that’s what Snoke IS doing.He’s keeping him conflicted on purpose. Having him use two completely different disciplines, that in itself must be torture. “Kylo Ren is the embodiment of conflict, drawing upon contradictory teachings and deriving power from discord.” - Visual Dictionary “Supreme Leader Snoke believes Ren to be the ideal embodiment of the Force. A focal point of both Light and Dark side abilities.” - Visual Dictionary Why would Snoke be so invested in using someone whose abilities he thinks are already ideal if he was going to change him and train him to just be Dark? I think he WANTS to keep Kylo conflicted, because he draws power from it. But it also keeps him compliant. The constant conflict and confusion will always have Kylo looking to Snoke for answers, guidance. He keeps Kylo believing that he is dependent on him. When really, it’s the other way around. Snoke’s the one who needs HIM. Otherwise, why go through so much trouble to have this particular force user on his side. Because Snoke’s weak as he is now and Kylo would be a threat. So he has to keep him close. They don’t seem to trust each other very much, Kylo knows he’s being used and Snoke had a tracker put on him… but Snoke’s all he’s got. That’s what he believes, so he’ll dutifully follow until something changes his mind. And his next test, whatever it is, may very well break him. Push him to whatever his limits may be before doing away with him once he’s no longer needed.

ohh my god didn’t know there where such solid evidence for this, now I’m even more sad cus its actually canon..urgh I honestly dont understand how anyone can bypass the obvious abuse kylo/ben suffered is still suffering at Snokes hands, this is horrible and kylo ren deserves a fucking redemption cus killing him off or turn him 100% evil with this in his bagage would be down right cruel to his character IMO..
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