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Hermione @ ron and harry after one night time wandering: I hope you’re pleased with yourselves. We could all have been killed - or worse, expelled.

Hermione: *proceeds to break every school rule there has ever been and several wizarding laws, including setting a teacher on fire, dragon smuggling and forming illegal army, literally fulfilling the ministry’s worst fear*

Rape Culture in OUAT, or why you can’t pick and choose what is and isn’t sexual assault

The argument about rape culture in OUAT often comes down to “Who’s the worst villain?” which is troubling when it is a very real and prevalent aspect of the show. And when people start arguing that well, this villain does this and that one did that, it diminishes the fact that OUAT continues to perpetuate lack of consent as normal and acceptable.

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Channel Zero's Tooth Child was originally conceptualized in the Hannibal writers room as a vision of Hannibal's cannibalized sister Mischa.

anonymous asked:

Do you think Will is, as Bedelia said "not a killer; capable of righteous violence because (he) is compassionate" normally and that Hannibal's influence just brought something out in him that he never would have found otherwise? Or do you think it would have come out anyway? Do you think Will's a killer at heart?


The mistake I see people make, again and again, when it comes to defining Will, is this: 

You can’t define Will. 

I know, I know!

It’s annoying, that you can’t get a solid yes or no or a straight answer about him, but that’s the very essence of a character who (in the words of Hugh himself) never knows he who is.

Morally speaking, he’s not black or white. He’s not even grey. He’s the full gamut of colours.

It’s funny, but no one seems to have this trouble with Hannibal. 

Perhaps because we’ve always seen him as Other from the very beginning, this strange creature who has his own specific nature which he has to follow. 

We accept that the reason for his actions is: because he’s Hannibal. 

But because Will was framed as the normal, everyman, when he does something that Hannibal would do, suddenly it has to be agonised over and picked apart. 


The reason he does things is: because he’s Will. 

Like Hannibal, he is a creature with a specific nature that he has to follow. 

In the beginning of this episode (which, to be fair, I think most of us were too busy reeling from the Will/Bedelia conversation to notice) Hannibal summed it up beautifully when he said: 

Will’s thoughts are no more bound by fear or kindness than Milton’s were by physics. He’s both free and damned to imagine anything.

His thoughts can go anywhere, and because they can, they do. It’s not a matter of choice, or morality. That’s simply what his Nature is.

It’s like when someone says: Don’t think about elephants.

What do you do? 

You think about elephants!

Now imagine that your imagination is so powerful that it can make the walls of reality melt away 

So that when someone says Don’t think about elephants 

you blink, and there’s an actual fucking elephant looming over you

you can look in its small wise old eyes, count its eyelashes, see the tiny dragonscale paper creases in all the folds of its hide, smell the straw, hear the crunch of its feet, the deep rumble of its breath, feel the cold of the massive shadow it casts over you, the gust of hot animal air as its waving trunk sways past your face, feel the earth-shuddering reverberation of its footfalls in your leg-bones, see the white hard outline of light that edges its ears when it flaps them, like clouds obscuring the sun, feel your knees going weak with that quaking little-child-gazing-up-a-rollercoaster vertigo of the enormity of the thing towering over you. 

The second someone says don’t think about elephants, 

there are actual real elephants.


Are you imagining that?

Now replace elephants with murder.

That’s Will Graham’s brain.

There is a darkness - a violence - in Will, yes; because there is an everything in Will. 

Before he knew Hannibal, he was conflicted about this fact of his nature. He wanted there only to be the good things in him. He couldn’t accept that there would always, always, be all of the things.

But accepting all the things - the bad, violent, as well as the good, kind - gives him equilibrium at last. He is, like Hannibal, finally calm. 

This is why murder-husband!Will seems smoother and more elegant than nervy, highly-strung ‘trying to be a normal person’ Will. That man is nervy because deep down he knows he is walking a tightrope over the Abyss. Murder-husband!Will is calm because he knows he is perfectly balanced. He’s not afraid of falling. He could walk the tightrope with his eyes closed.

Righteousness and compassion are the connective tissues which allow Will to reconcile these two extremes in himself, morally speaking. And Will does have his own personal morality. He is a kind man. His instinct is to help the wounded bird, not to crush it. But he could do either of those things, or nothing; he holds all possibilities.

Righteous violence, compassionate cruelty; because they combine disparate (you could say opposite?) elements, he can indulge in them without becoming unbalanced. They balance each other out inside him. A tightrope walker can’t be carrying weight all on one side - it has to be equally spread.

So the murders he would prefer to commit would be righteous or compassionately motivated – Bedelia was bang on the money in that sense. 

This week he put someone in harm’s way merely because – by chance – his wandering, all-embracing/nothing-rejecting Thoughts whispered to him aren’t you curious…? 

To recoil from that thought and say ‘no! I’m not!’ That would be stacking all his weight on one side. He can’t do that, he’s a balancing act. His thoughts can and do go everywhere, down paths dark and light, good and bad, kind and cruel, safe and dangerous. 

Once that thought occurs, he has no choice in the matter. To be at peace with himself - to be true to himself, to follow his own nature - he has to go wherever his thoughts lead. 

He has to imagine elephants. 

teethsoup  asked:

wait wait wait now you disagree with your own theory??? Now what do you think?

Also from Anon:

So, can I ask, what IS your current theory about what happened in the finale (i.e. was Will trying to kill himself and Hannibal? Was it all a plot hatched between them? etc etc), and then between the fall and Bedelia’s dinner table? Or if you’ve already answered this elsewhere, a link would be awesome!

(X) (X)


As much as I’m partial to a spot of allegory (and this is one of those rare shows in which that kind of reading is entirely possible, even likely), since reading post-finale interviews of Hugh and Bryan, I now toe the company line that it was Will’s Design to kill the Dragon, and then kill Hannibal and himself.

One big reason behind this feeling, for me, is the rule of narrative causality:

The Plan Must Go Wrong.

If either Will or Hannibal lived, which they clearly did (because Bedelia didn’t amputate and serve her own leg in a style that only Hannibal could replicate, since he was the only one present for Gideon’s de-legging), then Will’s plan didn’t work.

And recovering from a fuck-up is a much more interesting place to start, writing-wise, for a season 4.

Plus, it instantly provides conflict: if Will is with Hannibal, contrary to his own wishes, how does he feel about it? Will he stay with him or attempt to re-establish contact with his old life? Does he still have suicidal urges? How does Hannibal feel about all this?

Murder husbands meticulously planning and then executing this batshit-insanely risky plan to run off together and then it… just… works perfectly?? and they’re off on honeymoon together??

I guess that just feels a bit too easy!

But what I do like is:

Will had a gun on him, and a knife, right?

He could’ve shot Hannibal, or stabbed him, or both, and/or pushed him over the edge of the cliff on his own, and then killed himself.

Instead he chose to admit his true feelings (in other words: to make Hannibal happy). Then he chose to embrace him, hold him, give him a moment to breathe, and then he took them both over the edge of the cliff.

He chose to kill him in a way that clearly signalled to Hannibal ‘we’re in this together.’

And I’ve got to wonder…

We’d just been introduced to the idea of Will making choices without being consciously aware of them. Afterwards, he has to wonder, but deep down he knows that he was making a certain decision, to eg. shove Chilton under the bus.

So what does that say about his choice of suicide method?

A fall? An eroded bluff, with no sharp instantly-lethal rocks to hit?

Compared to a gun or a knife, it has a strong element of chance in it.

I know the real reason is ‘because the writers needed it to be uncertain’ but, as far as Will is concerned: subconsciously, was the reason he chose the cliff because, deep down, he wanted to leave the door to death open? Just a little bit?

I wonder…

As for what happened between the fall (which I still find infuriatingly inconvenient, btw - ugh, what a fucking pain in the arse that is to navigate!) and Bedelia’s dinner table…

Well, honestly, I’m stumped- *whups, phrasing! sorry Bedelia* -as to how they could have survived that unless there was a boat nearby. 

(Will’s boat cannot have been nearby because he didn’t know about the existence of the murderhoneymoon retreat until he was already there, plus isn’t the Nola still moored in Europe somewhere?)

I have visions of them surviving because they clip the vertical face of the cliff as they fall, so it’s more like falling out of a tree and hitting branches on the way down; the eventual distance they drop to the sea is actually shorter. I’m picturing a broken limb for at least one of them.

And then Will doing a total 180 and helping them both swim or climb to safety once he realises that they haven’t been killed on impact, and has no desire to die by freezing, drowning, or being battered to death by waves. I mean, sheesh, can you imagine how much that salt water must sting on an open stab wound and/or bullet wound? Yikes!

My idea is that Dolarhyde dumped the cop-car he stole (which would seem sensible) in favour of another vehicle, and the murder husbands could get back up-top and use that vehicle to escape before Jack et al. arrive at the murderhoneymoonretreat crime-scene.

We know from his attack on Will that Dolarhyde uses chloroform, so I’d expect there to be some in his current ride.

Cue Will driving them to Bedelia’s place, and getting Hannibal to ring the doorbell while he sneaks in the back way and chloroforms her from behind when she answers the door.

While she’s outcold, they shower, change, and patch each other up. (Chemistry up the wazoo.)

Then commences the Delimbination.

And then good old Uncle Bowie and/or Lady Murasaki rocks up, having heard of the tragic demise of their favourite nephew. Possibly they share the kalua-roast shank. Awkward ‘meet the in-laws’ moment for Will, who (by now) has allowed Hannibal to talk him into running away with him, and the in-laws help murder husbands smuggle themselves out of the country for that beach holiday they so richly deserve.

(Oh! And at some point somebody gets stabbed with Bedelia’s oyster fork.)

That’s all I got.


guys I don’t mean to panic you but I need to draw your attention to a very serious and important issue:

in all the hoohah over Patroclus&Achilles I have noticed a lamentable absense of talking about the buttock-clenching magnificence that is Hugh’s firelit thighs and booty in this scene.

We need to get on this, okay?

that’s what Achilles said

*and on a sidenote: well done Hanni for managing to keep your eyes above the belt but you lose points for the total look of adoration on ur stupid smitten face.

adumbhumanlikeme  asked:

Chiyo's 'means of influence other than violence' still haunts me in my dream. So when i read about that interview 'inverse of their relationship' my first thought is the reverse of their dynamic, meaning this time Will is the one holding power of influence over Hannibal, gradually coaxing what is in there all along. In the last 2 eps Will is flexing his fingers, discovering just how much power he holds over Hannibal. Being a Will stan, I'd love to see how he exploit that power in S4. Thoughts?

I was just thinking that the more dangerous Hannibal makes Will, the more danger he himself is in. I mean, even when they’re reconciled at the end of the finale, when Will is sharing in his joy, he’s still trying to kill him. 

What terrifies me is: if you say that prospective-season-4 is a reversal of season 1, then it would logically have to end with Will betraying Hannibal and putting him behind bars (again) while somehow getting off scot-free himself. Ouch. I know Hannibal is devoted and all but could his love survive that? 

And if season 1 was Hannibal slowly trying to get Will on his side, would that mean that season 4 would be Will doing the opposite: trying to make Hannibal hate him?

Ohhhh, that would be delicious. 

And it would offer a nice ‘zero-sum: everyone loses’ ending for season 4, if Will betrays Hannibal, gets him caught again, walks away (legally) unscathed and yet Hannibal still loves him. 

anonymous asked:

What's your headcanon on-the-run name for Will, if you don't mind saying?

(X) *preens* Don’t mind at all, Nonny.

I headcanon that Hannibal would arrange for Will the alias Thomas Cavall (but Will would go by ’Tom’ for short.) 

After Tommaso dei Cavalieri, to whom Michelangelo addressed 30 of his 300 poems, as well as gifting him a series of his drawings featuring muscly men out of Greek myth being beset by eagles. (Remind you of anyone?)

Also, on top of being similar to the real surname Cavill, it’s a pun on the unrelated English word meaning “to raise irritating and trivial objections; find fault with unnecessarily.” Which suits grumpy super-high-maintenance-bitch!Will down to the ground. ^_^

anonymous asked:

Were will and hannibal's wounds fatal? Have you seen metas about their injuries yet? I would love to read them! :)

bodymore-murderland and I were having a lively discussion about this just last night, actually! 

She reckons the bullet-wound was just a graze (meaning Hannibal could, theoretically, be the one to pull Will out of the water). Whereas I thought the bullet went right through him, because 1) that is Dolarhyde’s M.O. 2) that wine-bottle was in front of him, not at the side, and 3) Hannibal wouldn’t collapse clutching his gut for just a graze.

If I’m right, it would have to be Will who saves Hannibal from the ocean, which is… just… frankly astonishing, to think about. 

I feel like their chances of joint-survival are much better if it’s Hannibal who saves Will, because of Hugh Dancy’s interview saying that, if Hannibal lives, then he’s obviously going to save Will. (I find it highly suspicious that Hugh has now referred to a beach-holiday scenario on more than one occasion.)

Also, there is Janice Poon’s blog entry for the finale in which there is mention of one of them being in a wheelchair (meaning that The Table could actually be set for four! )

I’m pretty sure Will is alive. As a matter of fact, I think he’s in the kitchen helping Hannibal drain the vegetables. And why? Hasn’t Hannibal always cooked alone? Well he can’t if he’s in a wheelchair! Which still fits with the number of dining room chairs. Will is cooking under Hannibal’s instruction and any minute now, they will emerge. Will pushing Hannibal’s wheelchair and Hannibal cradling the vegetable platter in his lap. Which still leaves a chair for David Bowie or … Jody Foster!

But she did then go on to call that ‘silly’ and ‘wild speculation.’

But apparently the original script called for Hannibal to slice the leg, so we know his arms at least are okay!

And I realise I haven’t actually answered your question, so:

No, their wounds were not fatal. 

anonymous asked:

in the preview there's a shot with Will after Dolarhyde is asking to meet Hannibal, where Will's hair seems wet on one side and Will's sitting on what looks like the ground/leaning against a wall. That shot weirdly reminds me of the scene in Mizumono where Will was (once again) soaking wet with his hair clinging to his face and on the floor of Hannibal's kitchen.

With the important difference that Will doesn’t smile at Hannibal …

…. like that ^

*jesus christ francis where are your animal instincts can’t you see this guy is looking at you like dinner??*


also, can talk about the FBI cafeteria chat that day??


*wavy-screen-dream-sequence effect*

Trainee 1: Bro did u hear what happened with the Tooth Fairy?

Trainee 2: What, that he abducted that one guy, filmed himself biting his face off, then lit his ass on fire and left him for Crawford to find??

Trainee 1: Nah bruh, he just abducted Will Graham.


Trainee 1: YES WAY

Trainee 2: THE Will Graham??

Trainee 1: THE

Trainee 2: BRUH

Trainee 1: IKR??

Trainee 2: So, wait, is he dead??

Trainee 1: Brosef, please, he’s fuckin Will Graham

Trainee 2: True. So he’s in hospital ??

Trainee 1: Broshua. He walked into Crawford’s office like 10 minutes ago

Trainee 2: BULLSHIT

Trainee 1: Said the guy tried to kill him, right, but get this: he talked him out of it.

Trainee 2: DUUUUDE 

Trainee 1: IKR

Trainee 2: Fuckin Will Graham, man, can you believe??

Trainee 1: Fucking legend

Trainee 2: I would SO hit that!!!

Trainee 1: ¬_¬

Trainee 1: *sigh* …………yeah… we all would, bro…. we all would…

anonymous asked:

We thought Hannibal was being bitter and jealous of Will family but then here we have Will Graham himself still nursing a grudge against Bedelia for being the one to run away with Hannibal and get away with it even though it's been 3 years

It’s not just that (or, not only that). I think Will has always found the kind of grand-standing around murder distasteful that Bedelia is now doing. Her shameless performance of the-injured-party, (when she literally does not have a single fucking scar!) and her brazen refusal to admit she’s lying, I bet to him that smacks of Freddie Lounds. There’s a definite overlap in the way he acts around Bedelia, now, and the way he acts around Freddie, especially in season 1! 

Part of him is still (somehow?) so straight-forwardly moral, he’s still got that crazy idea that Lying Is Wrong (like Alana; despite all the lying she’s done, she’s not happy lying about Hannibal, either). 

Also, it’s got to bloody smart that Bedelia is using the ‘he brainwashed me’ defence when Will has actually been on the receiving end of Hannibal’s efforts in that regard and knows how painful it actually is to doubt your own identity. And he’s connected with fellow-Hannibal-victims before (poor Miriam Lass). Bedelia is getting all the sympathy that other people deserve.

Add all this to his envy and jealousy, and I bet he’s got himself convinced that Bedelia’s lectures somehow dishonour the real victims and mock the pain of those who actually have suffered at Hannibal’s hands. 

*which is complete bollocks, of course, suffering is not a competition*

Also, I bet it’s been some consolation to him to think that, if he’s suffered, well at least it was unavoidable, couldn’t have gone any other way in this world – but Bedelia’s lack of physical and emotional suffering must have him doubting that. Thinking, ‘was there a way I could’ve gone through all this without suffering so much? Shit…’ 

As for Hannibal himself. I think he might be annoyed with Bedelia if she hadn’t cleared this version of the truth with him, first. But telling a grand stonker of a lie that Hannibal himself is in on, that’s okay in his book. It’s the pencil-licking Chiltons of this world who dare to think they can understand him, who write books about him to make money off his infamy, without even having been behind the veil, those are the ones he can’t stand. 

At first I was surprised by Bedelia’s relish of her own victimhood, but on second thoughts… it’s the ultimate revenge, isn’t it? 

Moving on isn’t just a distraction, it’s a rebuke. 

Well, if she ever wanted to revenge herself on Hannibal for making her a victim-murderer, this is the way to fucking go! 

Uses her own victimhood to further damn Hannibal in the eyes of the public (which he’d love), and heap critical acclaim on herself, and cement her own alibi by embedding it in the public consciousness, and make a buck or two in the process I don’t doubt. 

You’ve got to admit, the woman’s got style… 

  • Charles: Raven won't listen to me. Her heart and soul belong to someone else now.
  • Logan: I know. That's why we're going to need Magneto.
  • Hank: Erik? You do know where he is?
  • Logan: Yeah.
  • Charles: [prolonged laughter] He's where he belongs.
  • Logan: So that's it? You're just gunna walk out?
  • Charles: Ooo, top marks! Like I said, you are perceptive.
  • Logan: The Professor I know would never turn his back on someone who lost their path. Especially someone he loved.
  • Charles: You know, I think I do remember you now... Yeah... we came to you a long time ago, seeking your help, and I'm going to say you what you said to us then - FUCK OFF.

anonymous asked:

Fuller talked about Will and Hannibal's present relationship being dead and that they have a new relationship dynamic that will still involve obsession. Do you have any theories (or wishes) for their new relationship? How you think it will be for either or both?

*gadzooks Anon do you realise what you are doing asking me these kinds of questions We ARE GUNNA BE HERE ALL NIGHT but you’re in luck I discussed a lot of this with my Go-To Supersmart!Person again so some of it stands a chance of being coherent*


What’s interesting now is how self-aware Hannibal has become.

I feel like the whole of season 1 was about him becoming smitten with Will without realising it.

( Just think of that time he opened his office door, expecting to see Will, and when he found an empty waiting room the smile just slid off his face like shit off a shovel! *if you’ll pardon the earthy expression* )

That lack of self-awareness is why Hannibal looked so bloody consternated in the beginning of s2, when he was staring at Will’s empty chair (like well shit… I did not foresee this’). He was surprised by how much he missed Will.

S2, then, has been about Hannibal basically realising that he loves Will, truly (romantic love, platonic love, agape, all of the above, whatever you want to call it).

But he still didn’t know just how much he loved Will until he was betrayed. The depth of that hurt (and the implied rejection of him) was directly proportional to the depth of his love.

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just had to point out, since I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone talking about it before:

Mason's laugh when he sees that Hannibal has realised Will is there. 

It’s weird.

It isn’t an ‘oh your enemy just beat you!’ laugh.

It’s more like he’s revelling in the *shock!betrayal!* he thinks Hannibal is feeling.

But why would Hannibal be feeling betrayed? if he’s (as Mason said) playing chicken with Will, wouldn’t he be expecting this? 

why would Will’s presence hurt or surprise him? (like Mason obviously thinks it has) 

answer: because Will is more than just a patient to him.

Mason thinks the very sight of Will / the revelation of his betrayal, strikes at the heart of Hannibal

(and he’s right too, just not in the way he thinks he is)

in other words, he totally fucking ships them okay??

Another thing about Molly: 

Lots of people talking about her talking Will into going, and the whole ‘I’ll be different when I get back’ thing, and Jack’s manipulativeness. 

But I’m not seeing anyone talking about how Will is responsible. 

I mean, instead of taking her response at face value, he could’ve stopped and explained to her, like, ‘no, you don’t understand, I mean really different…’ He could have made some effort to impress upon her just how damaging and dangerous it is for him to do this work. 

The fact that she apparently doesn’t know means he hasn’t already made that effort in the however many years/months they’ve been together. He’s kept that a secret, or maybe been in denial about it, not wanting it to - as she said - sour his new relationship. 

And now he’s like a former-alcoholic accepting an invite to a bar because someone who doesn’t know he had a drinking problem told him it’s okay. He knows she’s not in possession of all the facts, facts that would probably radically alter her opinion if she were privy to them, but he’s deliberately keeping her in the dark. 

He knows where (and to whom) it’s all going to lead, and he goes anyway… 

aluavera  asked:

What do you think will killing molly in his dream meant?

I think it meant that Hannibal’s jealous efforts to begin alienating Will from his family worked. 

When he asked ‘how did you choose yours?’ he likened Will’s relationship with his new family to Dolarhyde’s relationship with the families he murders, that of a dark parasite attaching itself to a place it hungers after but doesn’t belong. 

When Molly said he had a ‘criminal mind’ a yawning chasm opened up between them, compounding that feeling of being the outsider, and then Will’s sleeping brain mixed the two images together and came up with Molly as the woman in red! :-S 

Explains why Will scrambled to switch the light on when he woke up – having just empathy-teleported himself back to the cabin in the phonecall, he must’ve felt he had to switch the light on just to make sure he wasn’t actually there, that Molly wasn’t actually dead! 

ride-eternal  asked:

Do you think that Will created that beautiful, macabre tableau as a way of invading one of Hannibal's rooms? It wasn't about Hannibal ever finding out about his art piece, but about what he spoke about when he was bleeding out in Hannibal's kitchen, infiltrating and changing Hannibal as much as Hannibal changed him. A sort of marking? Idk. Probably my hannigram talking.

Yes, partly that. 

The Hannibal Imago in Will’s head referred to some rooms and moments in his Memory Palace as being more like static images, “like painted shards of glass” and Will took up the glass wine bottles, smashed them, and made them into a new image, a moving image like the motion of the heaving snakes in Hannibal’s Office. Now they’re keyed to new memories. 

Also remember Will’s past history of die-o-rama-ing; his mutilation of Randal Tier wasn’t a public humiliation, as Hannibal’s mutilations are, but a private monument to his own Becoming: 

The snails are Hannibal’s pets, they represent him, they are meat-eaters. 

Will is the firefly that feeds on the snails, he is the firefly transforming, he has hatched from the chrysalis under Hannibal’s tutelage and is now following his own nature. The man in the cage was part of that transformation, so Will turns him into the thing his death represents; the firefly. 

But he also puts the snails on him, because this design is also a monument to his connection with Hannibal; after all, the man only died because Will acted as Hannibal would have, his was the fuel that fed the fire. 

So he’s finishing Hannibal’s fresco for him and putting him in it, too. He is still listening to the echo of Hannibal’s footsteps. 

Reverse the circumstances and you’d have Hannibal tying flies, pricking himself with one of Will’s hooks…