yeah i watched it with the writers commentary

snackholebarry  asked:

Okay so, if you had to pick a tv show, from all the tv shows you watch (I really love watching you talk about all your shows btw), and it would be the only tv show you could watch (ad rewatch) for the rest of your life forever, which one would you choose? And you can put why you picked it, if you want, cuz I'm sure you'll have a good reason! :D

I had to think about this one! But here’s the thing: my first instinct was to say LEVERAGE. 

And even after thinking about it for a while, I think my answer is still LEVERAGE.

Because Leverage kind of has it all: 

  • humor
  • smart characters, including
    • the team mastermind with a tragic past, who is in control of every tiny detail of every con but whose personal life is a total shambles
    • a scary hitter who doesn’t like guns, who sings and is a gourmet cook, and who has dated a LOT of women but they weren’t interchangeable dolls, and he learned useful and important things from every one of them
    • the genius hacker who is a proud young black dude with wicked fashion sense who plays violin and World of Warcraft and makes constant Star Trek and Doctor Who references, who avoids physical violence whenever possible and is probably the sweetest, gentlest person on the team
    • the femme fatale grifter/team mom is an aspiring actress who can’t act her way out of a paper bag—she’s just terrible—unless she’s working a con
    • the most notorious thief in the world, a cute petite blonde woman who strikes terror into the hearts of men 3x her size, who loves jumping off tall buildings and loves money more than anything, who is neuroatypical and who wants to be able to relate to people she cares about but who is also unapologetically herself at all times
    • Mark Sheppard as the good-guy antagonist you will love to hate and then hate to love
  • morally grey characters
  • thieves with hearts of gold
  • women who are friends with each other
  • a found family
  • a middle-aged OTP, both parts of which have their own journeys of self-realization to go through before they come together
  • a divorced couple who still love each other and help each other, without any jealousy or weirdness 
  • an interracial so-close-to-canon OT3 that can be shipped romantically or as siblings/best friends/partners for life (I personally ship them the latter way, but I can understand why others ship them romantically)
  • as part of that OT3, a young interracial couple who care deeply about each other from the start, but who take a long time to start their romance because that’s what one of the characters needs, and the other character is nothing but understanding and patient about it
  • two of the characters grew up in foster care, but they had totally different experiences, one negative and one positive
  • one of the characters struggles with alcohol addiction in a fairly realistic way
  • when that character is an asshole, they call him on it and tell him the drinking’s gotta stop 
  • the white middle-aged dude has manpain, but it’s for legitimate, heartbreaking reasons and it’s never used as an excuse, and in fact it’s highlighted when the manpain is clearly holding him back, keeping him from moving on and growing alongside everyone else
    • and yet this is the same character who, in his pain and grief and rage, forms a team of supergenius thieves and grifters to do good and right the world’s wrongs and get restitution for the little guys who’ve been screwed over by the big bad guys. 
    • the same character who says, in response to one person commenting that vigilantes don’t just give large sums of money to people in need, because the world doesn’t work that way: “So change the world.”
  • some of the most amazing character arcs I’ve ever seen, ones that stretch not only entire seasons but the entire series
  • seriously, one of these character arcs in particular* is mind-blowing and can only really be appreciated upon finishing the series and rewatching it, because you will realize that they were planning this all along, there are literally lines in the very first episode foreshadowing it [*note that link has major spoilers if you haven’t seen the show]
  • suspense (but not too much suspense)
  • complicated cons that are fairly predictable after a few episodes, but you won’t even care because they’re so fun and pulled off with such style
  • also the bad guys always get what’s coming to them in really satisfying, appropriate ways
  • and usually the victims are helped in a way that puts power back in their hands, so it’s not just the Leverage team swooping in and saving them triumphantly and then leaving them in the wreckage 
  • lots and lots of geeky references (including many Star Trek actors as guest stars and one as a regular director)
  • and I haven’t even mentioned how fantastic the DVD commentaries are, or how the showrunner John Rogers is kind of an amazing human who blogged about Leverage during its run and answered questions from fans, or how there were specific policies about never letting the women be rescued by men (the women always rescued themselves, or at least helped out in a major way) because Rogers hated the damsel in distress trope, or how many women writers this show had.

So, yeah. If I had to pick one TV show to watch for the rest of my life, I’d definitely go with Leverage. And since I’ve rewatched the series several times and enjoyed it more and found new things to love each time, I think I’d be just fine.

Thanks for the ask! :) And the chance to babble about Leverage, which I’m always about two seconds away from doing anyway.

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On the episode

I enjoyed the ep. More than I think a lot of others did.

Maybe it’s the multi-shipper in me, but I rarely get grossed out or angry when my OTP (for lack of an more fitting term) breaks up and sees other people. Almost every time it happens we get some of my favorite moments between the couple I’m rooting for.

I get not wanting to see it. I get it being painful but we got so many other interesting scenes that I feel like, on the balance, we came out on top.

Which isn’t to say that the direction they chose to go with the storyline on the whole makes the most sense to me or that they’re the best writers or that they’re handling other storylines all that well either. These are some of the clunkiest writers on the planet. There are a lot of missteps. But I don’t think I can say that they’re doing any worse, or better than they ever have.

I enjoyed the stuff with Diggle and Rene a lot. I really need them to give Evie something to fucking do. Curtis being the only one to laugh at Felicity’s “you have failed this city” joke amused me greatly, but I wouldn’t mind seeing Paul again.

Lance and Thea were really fucking bad at selling Oliver’s death. Lance was a little better at it, but Thea was just chillin’ at his side like her brother hadn’t just been shot in front of her. Who knows, though. Maybe the constituents will buy it just because they figure she’s see enough fucked up things and she must just be in shock.

On Promotion and the EPs/Actors/Writer’s

As for what Marc Guggenheim said? Eh. Fuck him. He’s been a whiny, defensive ass that expects to be praised when he does things that are the bare minimum of decency and creativity and he’s been lashing out at fans since forever. He did it when people called them out for how the Shado/Slade storyline was handled, he did it when they killed Sara and people pointed out that having her hit a dumpster and then put her in the freezer was…wow. He’s been doing it to KC fans and Black Canary fans. He’s an asshole who thinks he’s a genius when he’s a mediocre storyteller who stumbled into some characters who are close to amazing and a handful of actors who do amazing work together and occasionally make the middling stories sparkle.

The difference? He’s now doing it with Olicity shippers. Some of whom do take way more credit than they should. Or at least, take way more credit than can be proven is deserved.

I made my peace with this show’s quality a long time ago. I still enjoyed the ep for what I think it was. An ending so there can be a new trajectory. More places to grow.

On the Fandom

I saw that a few people are pulling out of the fandom after the combination of the episode (or more likely the past few episodes) and what Marc said. I’ve seen others say they’re taking a break. I think we all get nervous and a little bit of a sick feeling when people we dig stop loving the show we enjoy. That’s normal.

What I will say, is that the current cadre of fic writers for this show are not the same ones from S1 and S2. There are maybe a handful of carryovers that are still around from then. Many of the writers who are popular and prolific right now didn’t even start watching the show or getting in the fandom until S3/S4.

This is the nature of fandom. It comes and goes in waves. Yes, there is always a last wave, but I honestly don’t think we’re there yet. I think that this show probably has two more years to go and we’ll likely see another wave of fic writers and shippers (and maybe new ships!) come in and do their thing.

My point is, don’t feel like because your favorite writer/writers are taking a break or leaving, that the fandom is going to go boom. It might. It might. And it will change for sure. But history tells  me that we just wiped out but we’ll probably paddle out to catch another wave.

I think I’m fucking that metaphor up. But ya know what I mean, yeah?

You do what makes you happy. You make your fandom bubble as big or as small as you need to. You enjoy or don’t enjoy the show. You watch because you love or you hate watch because you’re pissed off as fuck. Just maybe also be kind to each other, yeah? As much as we can.


I think it should be said every once in a while, that we’re dealing with distinct critiques here. 

There is commentary on characters and plot points…events that happen in canon. Things that end up on our screens. 

There is commentary about writing choices. 

There is commentary about meta, mostly from the writers and EPs, but also from the fandom side.  Mostly what they do and say in interviews and on SM. 

These are all different things. I can hate what a character chooses to do, and applaud the writer for having them make that choice. Conversely, I can be able to see a why a character makes a choice they’ve made and why a story goes where it goes and even be okay with it or dig it, and hate that this is the choice the writer made and think it’s a bad one. 

I try to be pretty careful when I talk about shows, that I’m specific in what I’m criticizing (I’m less careful about what I’m praising, if I’m honest.) I think sometimes as fans we fall into pitfalls of talking about all of it all at once in a jumbled mess and getting upset when we think someone is criticizing a character’s decision, when we’re criticizing a writer’s decision and vice versa. So many conversations get derailed when we aren’t even talking about the same thing. 

There are so many conversations happening around this ep and all the eps this season. It wouldn’t be a horrible idea to stop and really try and figure out what part of the puzzle folks are talking about. 

My respect for the EPs and what they say in interviews and SM affect me, because I’m human, but I’ve gotten okay at tuning them out because they aren’t canon. And they’re super flawed people that say a lot of things that piss me off even while writing some of my favorite characters ever. *hands*