That scene when Xena gets her chakram thrown at her back by Callisto and falls to her feet. Gabrielle in a split-second decision lays the fuck out of all the romans that come near her and drops her pacifism to protect and defend her. That is the ultimate act of love. Not just risking your life to save someone else’s but going against your declared philosophy for them. Gabrielle doesn’t like killing but she’d kill to save Xena’s life and that really says something about her love for Xena. Proves she’d do anything for her. Including sacrificing her sense of Self.
Xena Warrior Princess + Supernatural = The same damn subtext
Xena came at a time when women were rarely seen as hero’s. She paved the way for other brilliant shows such as Buffy, Dark Angel and many others. She showed the world that you don’t have to be a man to kick ass.
And Xena, in my opinion still kicks ass. Which is kind of awesome considering all of the female super hero types we’ve seen debut after Xena’s departure from our television airways.
Xena had an amazing personality and fire hot rage that would make any man or woman ache for her but through out the series, it was clear that while others wanted her, she wanted only one person named Gabrielle.
Yes, ladies and gents Xena is a bisexual woman, and not only that, her soul mate is a woman and is also bisexual.
So you see, Xena didn’t just kick off the female action franchise, she also kicked started the generation that had been living in a deep dark closet of denial.
She brought same sexuality to our forefront and shoved it in the faces of those that discriminated same sex love.
She taught the world that “love is the way. Love is love no matter which form your soul mate arrives in.” I think that’s quite beautiful actually.
Xena was there laying the groundwork for other television series to embark on the same basic idea and principles and showing the world that it’s okay to be gay. That it doesn’t define who you are. You can still kick ass and be gay.
That powerful message lead us into such shows as “TheL Word“ Or “Shameless
“ and I’m sure there are many more out there as well.
Not only that, Xena is the very first of it’s kind to promote the use of “subtext”. You all know what that is don’t you? It’s when they hint at one thing but textually say another.
Xena was dripping in subtext from the start because Xena and Gabrielle had this strong unspoken bond between them that fans of the LGBT community picked up on. So the writers included subtext along the way so that it would make both sides of fan bases happy.
Sound familiar? It should because it’s the same damn thing with Supernatural’s Cas(s) and Dean. I’m sure it’s also in the vast majority of other television series as well but I don’t know those so I’m going to limit this to what I do know.
Cas(s) and Dean is what I do know.
How can I put this so simply without pissing anyone off? “They’re in love”. Not because they were forced into the emotions, or that it was destiny but because of their own free will
because since the moment they met there was a undeniable amount of chemistry that flowed between them. It was obvious from the get go just as it was obvious seeing it in Xena whenever she looked at Gabrielle.
Friendship is the foundation to which all other relationships blossom.
And like Xena, Supernatural is also dripping with subtext.
Some people see the subtext so easily while others have to strain their eyes just to try to see it but get annoyed with shippers because they don’t see it. I think that’s why they refer to it as “subtext.”
Only the true opened minded of people can see it while the more repressed, closed off minds don’t see it.
However, since watching both shows, I’ve discovered some other similarities between each couple.
Here is a few of them:
Castiel is a warrior of God.
Xena is a warrior of God and man.
Gabrielle is a Amazon Queen = a hunter.
Dean is a hunter.
See the parallel? And here’s the most simple one of them all. Eyes, hair, similar behavior. Devotion and connection to each other that neither one understands.
It’s the same damn thing only in reverse. The genders are different but it’s still the same damn message.
So whenever you feel annoyed or aggravated thinking Dean and Cas(s) may never be together. Take a look at one of the first founding shows that kick started it all.
Both shows depict the same damn thing. Fighting evil one moment at a time and loving their partner unconditionally.
And take note of this clever, interesting truth : Xena and Gabrielle are married and the relationship is CANON!
So, if Xena Warrior Princess can leave us with positive messages about finding your own courage and loving someone unconditionally no matter the body they are in, then Cas(s) and Dean can achieve the same if given the chance.
Loving someone no matter the gender doesn’t take away the fact that you’re still a bad ass who goes around saving people one episode at a time. It just adds more to the character and to the series.
You can hate me all you want for it, but this is how I see it. It is my opinion and I’ll stand by it. XD
Recently, I’ve seen a lot of posts taking stabs at Xena for taking the ‘subtext’ way out of LGBTQ+ representation during its six-year run. I would totally be on board with that if the show stopped at, say, season 3 or 4. But it didn’t.
The first few seasons showed our heroines in an unusually intimate friendship because that’s what the writers originally had intended Xena and Gabrielle to be, based off the Hercules and Iolaus mold. But their relationship seemed to grow beyond the writers. It developed a life of its own, and the writers began shifting their angle from 'intimate, saving friendship’ to 'lovers and soul mates.’
After season 6, I struggle to think who can call it subtext. Yes, it’s true that they never took the Ron Burgundy route and had Gabrielle scream out, “Xena and I had sex and now we are in looooove!”, but let’s face it, would that be in character? For either of them? By this stage in the game, the way I saw it, it didn’t need to be defined because it was pretty explicitly laid out after six years of following them around.
For instance, we’ll take the reincarnation episodes. Sure, the first stunt they pulled had Xena and Gabrielle getting romantically together while Xena was reincarnated into a man’s body. Technically gay because we tend to think of them as we knew them best: both women. But by the last reincarnation episode, 'Soul Possession’, we see Ares swap Xena and Joxer’s bodies so that she’s a woman again, more palatable to his taste. And what happens at the end of this episode? Xena and Gabrielle are still together. There’s nothing subtexty about Xena with her arm around now-red-headed wife Gabrielle saying, “I liked ya better blonde, but I can go with this!” Or let’s look at the Rheingold trilogy. They pulled the Disney, true love’s kiss can break Gabrielle’s sleeping curse move, but the trick was, only Gabrielle’s soul mate could walk through the flaming prison that kept her away from harm. Xena walked right through it and kissed Gabrielle- not on the forehead, not on the cheek, but on the lips- and, in true Sleeping Beauty fashion, Gabrielle was awakened.
The Rheingold trilogy really opened the doors for our leading ladies’ sexualities. Xena was shown first manipulating Odin into believing she loved him, and then doing the same for the Rhine-Maiden. We’ve seen Xena’s varied past, explicitly shown with Borias and Ares, for instance, and heavily implied with Lao Ma and M'Lila, but, with the exception of Gabrielle, this may be the first episode we’ve seen Xena openly flirtatious and sexual with two sexes in the span of 43 minutes. Gabrielle, whose sexual history had been decidedly hetero for the first few seasons, had been gaining quite an array of romantic interests in the last few. It became a joke of the fandom that “everybody loves Gabrielle.” In the Rheingold trilogy, we see another woman take interest in Gabrielle: Brunhilda. The two develop a reliance upon each other until Brunhilda declares her love for our battling bard. And let’s also keep in mind that during all this, she was also dealing with Beowulf’s well-meant but badly-timed advances.
Gabrielle’s sexuality had also been explored with Aphrodite, let’s keep in mind. The goddess of love had always had a weakness for Gabrielle, and in season six’s 'The God You Know’, she essentially makes out with her, much to Gabrielle’s surprise.
Of course, there’s the episode 'You Are Here’, one of the crackiest, strangest and most fantastic episodes in Xena history. We see defensive Xena telling the stage manager to “watch his hands” while giving Gabrielle a mic and we see, as love is restored with Aphrodite’s godhood, pink hearts falling all over our heroines as they gaze into each other’s eyes and smile. What’s drawn some heat is the end of the episode, where the reporter asks them for the hundredth time what the true history of their relationship is. Xena asks, “should we tell him?”, which is, of course, not a question you’d ask if you had nothing going on between you and your friend. But as she launches into her explanation, the camera “cuts out”. I don’t think this was the writers opting out. I think this was the writers having a laugh with the image of a straight man puzzled by their relationship to end an episode that was nothing short of ridiculous.
The most damning of all evidence is 'When Fates Collide.’ Basically AU fanfiction of itself, the episode explores what would have happened if Xena and Caesar had ruled together. Spoilers: Caesar is still a dick. Gabrielle is a playwright in this universe, and her play is being shown as entertainment in the Roman court. Xena automatically feels an attraction toward this work and to its creator. After the play is shown, they share this exchange:
Xena: “In the third act, you had your hero throw himself over the cliff with no fear of dying– all for her. Do you really believe that kind of love exists?”
Gabrielle: “That’s what we all dream about, isn’t it? Someone who looks so deeply into our soul that– they’d find something worth dying for.”
We see Caesar becoming bitter and jealous as he watches the women interact, and later on we hear Alti taunting Xena with, “I saw the way you looked at her tonight during the play. Wouldn’t Caesar give anything to have you look at him that way?”
As the plot goes on, Caesar has Gabrielle wrongly imprisoned, and Alti shows Xena what her true life really was. And as Caesar is about to crucify Gabrielle, she admits her connection with Xena, despite knowing nothing of her former life: "Xena– Xena– when I thought I was going to die– it all became so clear. My life is empty– despite my success. I write about love, but I’ve never felt it before. I will never forget you.“
Alti is sent to kill Gabrielle, and shows us foreshadowing of the Xena finale: "your story will end with your playwright unable to save her fallen angel.”
As they are recaptured, another exchange is had:
G: “Xena– when I’m with you– this emptiness that I have felt my entire life– is gone. You have to tell me what’s going on.”
X: “Caesar changed our fate– giving us this godforsaken world.”
G: “There must be something that I can do.”
X: “No– what you can do is get out of here alive. I have to go through this alone.”
G: “I can’t let you die.”
X: “Some things are worth dying for. Isn’t that what your play was about? Being prepared to sacrifice all for love?”
G: “For love.”
X: “In the other world, my destiny was linked to Caesar– and that cross– and I hated them both– but now I realize that– everything happens precisely as it should– precisely. …I’ll love you forever.”
It boggles my mind that people claim that is simply subtext. This is the quintessential Xena/Gabrielle episode in my mind, because it shows that no matter how fate is changed or manipulated, these ladies will always find each other because they are meant to be. And of course, we have, in A Friend in Need, Gabrielle’s tearful pleading that Xena is “all that matters to her”, Xena introducing Gabrielle as “her soul mate”, and Xena teaching Gabrielle the pinch while saying, “if I only had 30 seconds to live, this is how I’d want to live them- by staring into your eyes.”
In my opinion, the writers of Xena did not choose the easy way out. Seasons 5 and 6 blast through any and all subtexty vibes. They raise a child together, Xena has a poem written for Gabrielle by SAPPHO OF ALL PEOPLE, they are married in reincarnated forms, they are shown through all lands and fates as soul mates and two people who are madly in love. The intensity of their relationship defies explicit terms like 'girlfriends’ that the wider audience would comprehend, and after six seasons of watching these ladies grow and love, who needs that label, anyway? My grief with the writers is in episodes like 'Antony and Cleopatra’ where, I’ll admit, they made Xena treat Gabrielle like shit because of a guy. But for some reason, that blunder can almost be absolved by the beauty of the story they’ve put forth through six seasons, beauty that most shows nearly twenty years later are still afraid to put forth because of societal norms.
Could Xena: Warrior Princess be told as a more explicit LGBTQ+ love story? Absolutely. But the show was never just a love story, even if it revolved around the relationship between its two protagonists. The show is about perseverance, overcoming odds, redemption and the power of forgiveness- both from others and from yourself. Xena is a powerful character behind a powerful story whose life was shaped by the love and unconditional support, understanding and forgiveness of Gabrielle. Their story moved at a pace that was realistic for the damage in Xena’s heart and the confusion surrounding Gabrielle’s character development. Their love proved to defy time and death, over and over and over again.
Because it still baffles me that xena and gabrielle arent considered ‘out’ I’m gonna go on a rant about the poem in many happy returns.
It was a LOVE POEM written by SAPPHO. Do you know who sappho is? I’ll give you a hint. She comes from the island of lesbos. No, thats not a coincidence. The word lesbian was named specifically after her birthplace because she was just that gay. She’s known as like the lesbian of all lesbians. And a good poet? But mostly just super duper stone cold gay.
So. Imagine for a second that a guy wanted to give his bro a present. So he gave him a moving love poem written just for him by Homo McGay from samesexloveland who is popularly known as the most notable gay man. And the bro was like ‘awesome! Homo McGay is my favourite poet! He’s just so passionate about how much he loves men. This means so much coming from you!’ Then they rode off on a pure white horse into the sunset, laughing the entire way.
Could you honestly say that either of the men seem straight in any way?
No? Then How The Fuck Does Anyone Think Xena And Gabrielle Are.
This short little scene is one of my favorites. Gabrielle is totally absorbed in trying out this new instrument and Xena’s just watching in the background with the most contented smile, probably thinking to herself, “This girl is absolutely ridiculous but she’s my person and I love her.”
This scene from ‘Destiny/The Quest’ is quite significant in talking about the way Xena and Gabrielle handle the death of each other. I’ve menitioned this before but I want to elaborate on why I think this way. The way I see it is Gabrielle would have been devastated for awhile but
grief would eventually subside. I mean she’d never be quite the same, but she’d be able to move on from it and get on with her own life again without Xena in it.
Honouring the Warrior Princess by writing about her in her scrolls and carrying on in her legacy. This would not be how Xena would handle Gabrielle’s death. She wouldn’t move on. She
couldn’t function without Gabrielle. She’d go insane.
As proved in ‘Adventures In The Sin Trade’.
I’m not saying she’s weak in any way. I’m just saying that Xena had to
have Gabrielle by her side to even be able to do what she does which she actually said in the show. That the only reason she does any good at all is because she does it with Gabrielle. Gabrielle is her light. Her source. Her reason for even existing. She would have eventually ended up taking her own life as to join her.
So to me it was better for Xena to die than for Gabrielle to in the end which I’ve spoke about in previous Tumblr posts.
Here is why I believe this though. Gabrielle had so much emotional strength to be able to overcome the
grief and the pain. And that in no way means she loved Xena less. It means she loved her more. Far more than anyone else could. She did the most difficult thing of all. She let her go.
It’s a testament to her emotional strength and power. She was
heart-strong while Xena was head-strong. It’s the emotional VS the mental. Those that can’t cope with their own emotions tend to avoid them. Push them aside.
They don’t face them. They don’t meet them and consolidate with them.
They don’t accept them. They consider it to be weak to show emotion even though it’s really affecting them.
And what you will find is the people who lack emotional strength make up
for it in mental strength. They have an advanced thinking mechanism to deal with their issues instead.
Whereas the feelers don’t. They don’t think, they just feel. They do as the heart tells them to do, not their head.
And there is clear differences between these people. Between the emotional and the mental. They’re like opposites yet compliment each other. They are able to give what the other hasn’t got and that’s extremely important in a relationship. Being able to fill up the part that’s missing in the other person to make them whole. I don’t often talk about relationships because I haven’t been in enough of one to really get a sense of how it works and understand what it’s all about.
But I do understand balance and I know a relationship has to work like a puzzle piece if it is to last at all. They need to be each other’s perfect opposites in order to keep the relationship going strong. Constantly providing what the other does not possess.
And I know it seems contradictory, but the people in the relationship should not be like each other. They should not be similiar. Sure, they should share common intrests and viewpoints. But they should
never be the same with their abilities and qualitiies. Because the point to a relationship is to give out what the other person has not got. Give it to them.
So with the emotional and the mental…. the emotional person must provide emotional support to the mental person because they’re a lot better at handling their emotions as they have more experience with them and can comfort simply by just being by the other person’s side.
And the mental person must provide a logical and detailed explanation to
support the emotional person and help them understand the situation.
You see, one gives out what the other lacks to help each other be the best of themselves. To help them be whole with everything they are. They have to be strong for each other. Whatever kind of strength it
is they are best at. Emotional or mental. They should use it to help one another.
And that’s what I mean when I use the term “puzzle piece” instead of
soul mate. Because there is more than one puzzle piece for everyone.
It’s not just a romantic relationship. There is other layers to it that go beyond that of the romance type of relationship that humanity is familiar with. Love goes beyond human conceptulization and understanding.
That’s how I see Xena and Gabrielle. The emotional (Gabrielle) and the mental (Xena) are able to be each other’s puzzle piece in the sense that they can provide for each other what the other has a lack thereof to have a strong connection.
They bring out the best in each other and cater to each other’s wants and needs. They are perfectly balanced in that way.
I would even say they are the definition of balance itself.
In my opinion, who fell first isn’t as interesting as who figured it out first.
Gabrielle did have a serious case of hero worship. And I imagine she had to spend a lot of time trying to figure out what her feelings actually were.
I seriously doubt that she would’ve married Perdicus if she was completely sure what she was feeling. She spent more time thinking/worrying about Xena than she did the man she just married. And Perdicus did play into her need to be needed. That talk about how he would’ve killed himself if not for Gabrielle was manipulative.
Xena, however, knew what she was feeling. But with her guilt, she tried to keep it in check. That moment in Is There a Doctor in the House is literally Xena’s emotions taking over. Which was kinda confirmed by T.J. Scott, who directed the episode:
“Oh, my favorite scene in Doctor in the House is inventing CPR and Xena waking up Gabrielle and saving her. Having that moment that you realize that this rag-tag little girl that Xena had picked up along the way, who was a bard, who was a bit of an annoyance, she was falling in love with. And the tears of, “I’m about to lose someone that I love.”
A lot of people have been tagging me on the news that this new Xena will be openly lesbian, like ‘yaaaay, aren’t you happy?’ and they get really disappointed when I tell them that, no I am not fucking happy about this shit.
You wanna know why?
First of all, there is no need for a reboot, okay? The actresses are all alive and well and they could participate in any number of projects about the original show, including a new season if asked nicely. Just because they are not as young as they used to be, it doesn’t mean they aren’t still fucking amazing and got what it takes (I didn’t see anyone saying any shit about a 73 years old Han Solo).
Second of all - and the most important thing to me about this whole thing - is that Xena was never a lesbian. NEVER. She was fucking bisexual. Yeah, the love of her life was Gabrielle, no arguing there. But she also loved Marcus and Borias. Those loves weren’t as great as her love for Gabrielle because they weren’t her soulmate, but she still loved them. And they had beautiful stories together.
If you want to label someone as a lesbian - which you shouldn’t do because labels aren’t nice - you should think of Gabrielle as the lesbian. She was the one who never felt 100% about her love for men, any men, and she was always readily available for Xena. Always.
Third of all, which’s kinda connected to my second point, if this reboot is already mislabeling Xena, it’s already going to suck. It’s going to grab a beautiful love story and turn into this… this… I don’t even know what, but it will certainly make the misconceptions about the show even greater than they already are.
You people have to remember that Xena first aired as a Hercule’s spin-off using its garbage - remains of scenarios, actors and money. It was aired syndication style and it had no room for big discussions such as sexuality.
And yet, they managed to get their points across. The actresses never renegaded their roles as major lesbian icons, in fact, they always encouraged it. So, if you’re planning on making a lesbian icon even more iconic, you don’t have to change it. At least not in this case. It’s just pissing off the fans.
Season 3: Why it’s my favourite season in all of Xena
Season 3 has episodes that are hard to watch because of ‘The Rift’. But it genuinely has some of the best episodes of the whole show because you see how strong their relationship really is and how they bounce back from the betrayal, the lies and the pain. They have that one episode to really sort things out between them and get back all the trust and faith and love they lost with ‘One Against An Army’. But then the whole thing comes crashing down upon them once again and one of them gets killed trying to save the other’s life.
So what it really all came down to was making hard and fast decisions because of worry and fear and desperation at losing one another.
So ‘The Rift’ is really about love and the lengths one will go to to protect and defend hidden under the guise of hatred and anger. It’s such a roller-coaster of emotions and thoughts. The episodes that are involved with the ‘The Rift’ are strategically placed to make you feel that rocky roller-coaster along with them on purpose. Yes, it’s hard to watch but consider the reason as to why it is. You’re meant to feel it as intense as the characters do and see through their eyes. It’s very clever.
This along with the Gabrielle/Hope storyline has to be the reason why I love Season 3 the most out of all 6 seasons of the show.
It’s just well-thought out fantastic writing and producing and acting. For me it’s the epitome of everything the show is ultimately about. Love. Redemption. Forgiveness. Vengeance. There are 2 sides to Xena:
Dramatic as fuck and daft as a brush. Season 3 does both extremely well.
-callisto could have made a better attempt to murder xena, but chose not to on account of her being the one force that drives her to live -callisto also could have made better attempt to murder gabrielle, but chose not to on account of the fact that she finds her of complete unimportance -gabrielle and xena were lovers before they decided they wanted to become monogamous, after which xena kissed gabrielle much more frequently in passing (for a while rendering gabrielle for the first time in ages a giggling lil girl) -after the first time xena reads gabrielle’s scrolls, she keeps up to date with each one when they’re finished and surprises gabrielle by mentioning in passing that she liked a particular line -on one of gabrielle’s later birthdays, her and xena have a few arm wrestling matches and gabrielle wins one, which she accuses xena to no end of letting her do so, and xena denies this only once on account of the fact that she is super embarrassed that she did actually lose -autolycus ramps up is flirting with xena after he realises her and gabs are lovers to tease gabrielle, since she so adamantly denies it to him -gabrielle loves to use her sais more than the staff only because she knows it’s one weapon she can wield better than xena -eve and gabrielle really connected after xena’s death, and they finally really talked through everything that happened with joxer and with the furies in gabrielle’s head -gabrielle struggles with the fact that xena opens up to people other than her -gabrielle loves to be dom in bed (though they both take turns) -one of xena’s favourite things in the world is to make gabs laugh -the first time she jokes and makes gabs laugh is one of her most treasured memories, and the first time she thinks she has romantic feelings towards her -xena is super duper ticklish and squeaks when she does, which gabrielle absolutely loves -aphrodite occasionally looks for incarnations of gabrielle throughout the years, sometimes becoming her friend again -clone!gabs and xena eventually find aphrodite and she revels in the fact that they know she is a god, and that she gets to see the friends that changed her for the better again -as gabrielle is dying, she is delirious, and as eve watches over her she hears her final words in her last breath: “you never left me”
And man this show is just fantastic! Here’s a list of why:
·Awesome main character! Especially for a female character! And there’s no “OMG a woman who fights?!” bullshit. Its just given!
·Romances are few and far between because this show is about friendship! Honestly Xena and Gabrielle say ‘I love you’ like almost every episode!
·Their friendship blossoms into much more but because it’s the 90s they don’t really talk about it which is a shame but they are totes girlfriends!
·Tons of episodes with just women which means tons of interesting female characters
·Lucy Lawless is a precious nerd and funny as hell and gets plenty of opportunity to be a silly loser and it’s refreshing to see even though the show is 20 years old!
·Xena is fucking Batman! She’s the smartest, the bravest, the most methodical, and she figures out everyone’s bullshit and plots before they can do anything about it!
·Besides being a warrior Xena is a surgeon, she knits, and she loves fishing!
·Gabrielle becomes a formidable fighter starting as just a damsel and her training begins pretty much episode 2. Her development is believable.
·Although I didn’t like him much as a kid Joxer is actually one of my favorite characters because he slowly becomes part of the team but he never becomes a good fighter and his story arc isn’t about becoming better than the women folk. And he never talks down to the girls (i mean except when he first comes in the show because he’s a dweeb trying to intimidate them) and he’s never humiliated when the girls save him. It never comes up as an issue.
·Even though Xena is trying to be good she doesn’t have some bullshit thing where she doesn’t use abilities she used when she was evil or that she doesn’t kill anymore at all. She still kills people who attack her. Her new leaf is about helping people instead of victimizing them and it’s not about that she doesn’t kill.
Tl;dr Xena is an awesome show and you should watch it now!
Well, I’ve been thinking a lot about this Gabrielle line from Blind Faith:
I can’t marry the king because my heart belongs to another. And even though I can’t be with them now, I’m not ready to be with anyone else.
The “I can’t be with them now” means only “as long as I’m a hostage here” or is there a bigger meaning than that? If it’s the first case then nothing from now on matters, but humor me:
You see, the thing is everyone has a version about when X/G became canon (aka actual lesbian lovers lesbianing together) and mine is that it happened after “The Price”.
Of course it’s very subjective, but I do feel that one last barrier was taken down when Gabrielle saw Xena’s dark side more than ever before and never backed down. Not only that, she stood up for her own principles against Xena and was ready to die for them. Oh her part, Xena came around from her ‘evil warlord’ spell only when she saw what Gabrielle was doing and, well, pretty much said she loved her very much. And that look of surprise Gabrielle gives her? Gets. me. every. time. Of course she knew Xena loved her (she has known since The Quest), but would she ever admit it? Looks like she’s just realising Xena’s finally ready to.
And that makes me wonder about Blind Faith. Did Gabrielle say that because she felt Xena wasn’t yet prepared to act on her feelings (therefore they couldn’t be together)? But why’s that? We’re way past The Quest now, which is the gayest thing ever, right**? But then again, there was Ulysses - and I know about the production changing the order of the episodes but I’ll go with what we actually got - and, by the gods, isn’t Xena the most emotionally confused person ever, “falling in love” with this good kind man who might as well be a male version of Gabrielle only to easly ditch him and never think about it again?
But why so confused? Isn’t she supposed to be the experienced one, the one who’s waiting for Gabrielle to figure out her feelings in pretty much every fanfic? Suddenly it looks like the other way around, when Gabrielle suggests she’s waiting to be with Xena.
Anyhow…I may be thinking too much.
** Btw, as much as I love A Day in the Life, which also came before Blind Faith, I don’t think they’re a couple there. Just two very gay people teasing each other to death. Which pleases me to no end.
A very nice
person sent me some questions they wanted me to answer, so I’ll do my best to
come up with something good. The questions are:
1. Do you believe Destiel will be canonized as
Yes. I do believe that. However, I’m also aware
that it’s a 50/50 chance. In fact, in a previous post, I wrote this:
Castiel are endgame because if they both survive (which they should, the same
as Sam), Cas will definitely choose to stay with Dean rather than go back to
Heaven even if the writers end up using some “I love you, bro. No homo”.
However, if the writers wait until the last moment to resolve the Dean/Cas
relationship (a la Xena: Warrior Princess), I think they might be willing to
take the risk the writers didn’t take for Xena and Gabriel back in 2001. They
wouldn’t have anything to lose anymore. On the contrary, if they pulled a “no
homo” or an “open-for-interpretation” crappy ending, they would just turn
Supernatural into the most recognized example of queerbaiting in the history of
television for years to come.”
reading the story the way it’s been foreshadowed, I’ve speculated about the
endgame for Sam, Dean and Cas here, and I’ve also explained here why I think the
three of them will survive at the end of the series. I’m fairly sure that
Dean’s endgame includes Cas and vice versa. They could definitely have a happy
platonic ending together, but Dean has been set for a love interest since
season 9. (I talked about it a little over here. And I was right. Someone did try to commit suicide, though I got the person wrong). Therefore, I think that at the end of the series, Dean won’t be a loner
anymore. He will have someone. Who will that
someone be? Definitely, I don’t think ‘the Darkness’ would make a good
long-term partner, so… my bet is on a source of goodness per se. I don’t think
an ordinary civilian would be ideal for Dean either because that would be a
remake of season 6 with Lisa and that didn’t work out at all. So, personally, I
do believe the chance for explicitly
romantic canon Destiel is real.
2. How do you feel they’re most likely to do
this? (Given the road they’re already on).
something very difficult to speculate about since we don’t even know how many
more seasons of Supernatural we will have. However, my previous speculations
include a Cas that will have to choose whether to be an angel or a man (he
literally was asked that in 9x06). I believe at the end of the series Cas will
choose to be a man and to become a hunter (x). He will stay with Dean to continue
the mission they both so much love: “saving people.” That’s why I said above
that they could have a happy platonic
ending together if the writers decided that. But, as I said in another post:
are NOT going to make Destiel canon unless they’re in the show’s final season
and the final episodes of it. I believe this because of many factors. Audience
reaction is just one of them. They have set a very good love story for Dean and
Cas, one that cannot be denied on rewatch once the series ends. If they have
Dean and Cas get together at the very end of the series, everything they’ve
done so far can be used to “prove” that was their intention all along. Which is
exactly what I think they’re gonna do.”
3. Do you have any info on what I’m gathering
to be some kind of bts power-struggle in the writer’s chairs?
really have any special info. Everything is just pure speculation. I’m one of those who think that Jeremy Carver is
a huge fan of the Dean/Cas dynamic (as I explained here). Robert Singer, on the
other hand, seems to me the kind of person who would never allow something like
that to happen. Before 11x01 aired, though, we could still believe that there
were two sides in the writers’ room: the ones who are pro romantic Dean/Cas and the
ones who are against it. However, something incredibly unexpected has happened. Up
until the season 10 finale, Robert Singer was an executive producer along with
Jeremy Carver and Philip Sgriccia. But now that the season premiere of season
11 has aired, we know that Robert Singer is currently an executive
consultant. That became the role of Eric Kripke (the show’s
creator) once he left. I can’t help but feel hope after learning that Singer
has been demoted. Supernatural now has only two executive producers: Jeremy
Carver and Philip Sgriccia, and both of them are huge Dean/Cas fans. Philip
Sgriccia, in fact, was very glad about Jensen’s performance in 8x13. Dean was
hit on by another guy, Aaron, and Dean’s reaction showed that Dean was like “Wow, somebody likes me.” Not my words!
They are Sgriccia’s words! Phil thinks that this scene showed “potential for love in all places” (x).If
this man thought that Dean could find love even with a random guy in a pub, do
you think this man could be against the idea of Dean finding love with Castiel?
certainly a positive person all the time. I still see a lot of potential for
Destiel and I’m sticking around until the very end to see how wrong or right I was all
along. I hope my answers to the questions made some kind of sense. ;)
This is probably my favourite “ending” talk. Meaning the last scene at the end of an episode where there is usually a moral of some kind. This one is stronger and more substantial than most. It’s the constant struggle between love/hate, peace/war and good/evil that our heroes go through all the way through the show but this time it has a twist. Is it right to resort to violence in front of a child when it’s the only way you can protect them? Is it right for that child to see you kill just to save it’s life? Did this contribute to Eve’s “zest” for violence as she grew up without the guidance of her mother? Again, you have these ethical issues that pop into the show from time to time that play on your conscience. That are thought-provoking and influence your perspective on how you view these issues yourself. I assume most of us would say after watching this episode that regardless whether the child sees it or not, it is always right to fight for their well-being and safety because you can’t take the risk of them being hurt. Even when they are no longer a child and can fend for themselves, it would still be the right thing to do. I think it is as it reminds me of what Cyrene said to Xena in ‘Takes One To Know One’ when Xena suspected her of murder.
“I would kill to protect you, Xena. Any mother who loves her child would. I’m just glad I don’t have to”
Also, I wonder what Gabrielle was thinking here as they were talking about this. I assume it’d make her think about the time when she felt she had to protect Hope from being killed by Xena and her inner-monologue was “Now she knows how I feel”.
Again, deliberately shading out some of the gifs to emphasize the important of the dialogue. You know my views, tell me whether you think it’s wrong or right? Give your views in the comments.
In-verse Quotes on THE Relationship (Xena/Gabrielle)
Here’s what other characters on the show had to say about X/G.
….THE GODDESS OF LOVE … Aphrodite: “I hate to break up, like, a major love fest …”
Aphrodite: “If it isn’t my favorite girl group!”
Aphrodite: “Gabrielle, I have to say I’m glad to see you’re still travelling with Xena. I was afraid that with me away from Olympus [and love gone from the world], you two might not be so close.” Gabrielle: “No, we’re–we’re partners.”
… THE NEMESIS …
Callisto, about to burn Gabrielle, to Xena: “You’re about to watch the friendship of your life go up in smoke.”
Callisto: “Well, we have the perfect bait for that [luring Velasca into a trap]. It’s your precious little Gabrielle she wants.” Xena, as if that fact weighs on her more than the world would: “I know.”
Callisto: “I long to see you wailing over the body of your friend [Gabrielle]!” Xena: “Well, it’s not gonna happen.” Callisto: “Mhm?” [kills Perdicus, Gabrielle’s new husband] Gabrielle, wailing over the body: “No! Noooo! Perdicus!” Callisto: “That’ll do!”
Why? Because, Callisto thinks, seeing Gab hurt and knowing it’s indirectly b/c of Xena [via Callisto’s desire for revenge] will hurt Xena enough.
And when Callisto is faced with the prospect of Xena living without Gabrielle for the rest of her life …
Callisto, upon witnessing Xena’s reaction to Gab sacrificing herself to save Xena: “I never thought I’d feel so good again! Seeing poor, dear Gabrielle sacrifice herself makes it all worthwhile. It finally gives me a reason for living–and I have you to thank for it, Xena!” [Xena plunges a knife into Callisto’s heart]
… THE FOOL …
Joxer, deciding he has to stop sleeping with Meg (whom he thinks is Xena): “I’m wrecking one of the great friendships!”
Hope, masquerading as Gabrielle: “What would you make of my feelings towards Xena?” Joxer: “Xena? Well, YOU know. You love her more than anybody in the whole world!” Hope, grumbling: “More than anyone.”
Joxerto Xena before her wedding to Ares: “Um, look, I know this is a marriage made in Hades, but I figure we don’t have to abandon EVERY tradition, so–here. Something old. It’s a lock of Gabrielle’s hair. […] And I want you to have it.” Xena, taking it: “I don’t know what to say.”
… THE GOD OF WAR …
Gabrielle: “I know that Hope has to die–no matter the consequences.” Ares:“Even if that means saying goodbye to your beloved Xena? Think you can just let it happen? I don’t.”
Aresto Xena, whom he believes to be dead: “You’re with her now… . She knew what you needed–unconditional and unselfish love–and I couldn’t give that to you. But I appreciated you in ways she never could–your rage–your violence–your beauty. When you sacrificed yourself for others, you were hers–but when you kicked ass, you were mine. I love you, Xena.”
Oh yes, Ares? In fact, Xena is the one thing Ares and Gabrielle agree on … Ares: “Is there anything you and I agree on?” [Gabrielleshoots a wry look towards Xena] Ares: “Oh, yeah. Anything else?”
Ares, having proposed marriage to Xena: “What do I have to do to show you I’m serious?” Xena: “Die.” Ares: “Well, sadly, I’m a god. I know–a wedding gift. Say … Gabrielle.” [ …] Ares:"Come on, Xena. Becoming Mrs. God of War is a small price to pay to find her.”
Ares (lying): “See, Gabrielle made a deal with me. In exchange for saving Hope’s life, she offered me her soul. Yeah–you’re right. It is QUITE a bargaining chip. Unless we cut a new deal. So–I have Gabrielle’s soul. What could you possibly have that I would exchange for that?” Xena: “You want my soul.” Ares: “That could work. I let Gabrielle live–but you must be my wife in your next life. And I guess, seeing as how it was one of those in-front-of-the-Fates kind of deals, that would be–forever? Eternity.” Xena: “And you would let Gabrielle and me live out this life in peace?” Ares: “Okay–sounds like a deal. ’Cause you know … she’d do it for you.“
… ANYONE ELSE? … RANDOM PEOPLE WHO JUST MET THEM, PERHAPS?
Mael(bad guy of the week): "All you have to do is look at her [Xena] to see she’s unnatural, an affront to God. A woman with the strength of ten men? Out in the world alone, save only her scrawny little companion? It’s a complete abomination! And to think this FREAK of nature has my brother …” [This is from “Altared States,” which began with Xena and Gabrielle off screen, their clothes scattered on the bushes, having a conversation that was about fishing but sounded like it was about sex.]
Naiyima: [Alti’s] soul is not destroyed. It will return many times–filled with evil–but you will always be there to meet it. And you, Gabrielle. You both walk a path together. Think of yourselves as lines in the mendhi–separate but forever connected. Mendhi contains truth.“
Callisto: "I can arrange it for you and Gabrielle … to just walk out of here… . And you and Gabrielle can live happily ever after.” Xena: “What’s the catch?” [ … ] Callisto: “There’s a reason you can’t allow you and your partner peace. It’s your guilt …” Xena: “You’re trying to tempt me from my way by offering me peace.”
Caligula:“Never turn your back on [Xena]. She and that–that–that bard of hers–yeah,like we don’t know what’s goin’ on there, huh?”
Lucifer:“You’re a mortal female with a lying tongue, savage tendencies, and a blonde girlfriend …”
Alti, seeing Gabrielle: “Well if it isn’t Xena’s little bitch!”
Caesar, summing up the series: “Had I not betrayed Xena I’d be ruling Rome today. Instead I get stabbed in the back by my good friend Brutus while Xena gets to ride off into the sunset with her girlfriend. Hardly a fitting end to Julius Caesar.”
Altito Empress Xena: “I saw the way you looked at her [the playwright Gabrielle] tonight during the play. Wouldn’t Caesar give anything to have you look at him that way.”
Odin to Brunnhilda, chastising her for not yet killing Xena: “My ravens, they tell me you’ve fallen in love with her [Xena’s] partner. Is it possible that you thought killing Xena would kill any chance you had with Gabrielle?” Brunnhilda: “Those mangy stool pigeons.”
Brunnhilda: “Is Xena all you think about?!” Gabrielle: “Xena is my family. She is the most important thing in my life.”
Gabrielle: “Xena and I have a connection. It’s stronger than either one of us. We’re soul mates.” Brunnhilda: “My love is strong, Gabrielle. I can feel it.” Gabrielle: “I am trying to tell you that Xena and I are meant to be together. We didn’t make it that way, it just is.” Xena[in the distance]: “Gabrielle!” Gabrielle: “Xena!” Brunnhilda:“I can see your heart lies with Xena, but I’ll prove to you which one of us deserves your love.”
Brunnhilda to Gabrielle: I’ll become an eternal flame for you. Only your true soul mate will be able to pass through the fire. You’ll be safe.“
"Wealthea” (the amnesiac Xena):“This Gabrielle truly loved Xena, didn’t she?” Beowulf:“And will till the end of time. Gabrielle saved you from what you were–as you must now save her.”
Xena, about to attempt to cross the eternal flame: “Beowulf–if I’m not the one …” Beowulf: “You are. Brunhilda’s flame will recognize you as Gabrielle’s soulmate.” Brunnhilda as the flame: “Xena … Xena … the love in your heart burns stronger than any flame. You belong together, Xena.”
Nigel, a 20th century reporter: “Gabrielle, Xena. I have only one more question left–the question that Gabrielle has been avoiding all evening–the question that has never, ever been answered. Are you two … lovers?” Xena: “You’re asking–?” Nigel: “That’s right. I’m asking, ‘Are you two … lovers?’” Xena: “That’s none of your beeswax, Nigel!” Gabrielle, soothingly: “Okay, Xena. You know … you just risked everything to bring love back into the world.” Xena: “So what?” Gabrielle: "I think you should answer the question.“ Xena: "Oh, you do, do ya?” Gabrielle: “Yeah.” Xena: [Sighs] Nigel: “W-wait–wait. Hold it. Hold it. [Clears throat] [Much flirty elbow-nudging and grins occur between Xe and Gab while Nigel addresses the camera] And now, ladies and gentlemen, a world exclusive. For the first time anywhere, Xena and Gabrielle reveal the true nature of their relationship. Gabrielle–Xena–are you two … lovers?” Xena: “You want the truth?” Nigel: “That’s right, Xena. We want the truth–the whole world wants the truth!” Xena: [Visual Fades In and Out]: “It’s like this–[burst of static–TECHNICALLY–[static]” Nigel’s Voice over static: “What? What?” [Text on black screen: PLEASE STAND BY] Nigel’s Voice: “It’s dead?! The battery–?! This is the world’s greatest story and you’re telling me the battery is dead?!”
… IN THE TWENTIETH CENTURY (“Soul Possession”) … . XWP Fan #2: “Hey! Speaking of the Warrior Princess and the bard, what happened when your boyfriend Harry found out he was Xena in his past life–?” XWP Fan #1:“And that your past-life counselor was none other than his beloved sidekick Gabrielle?” Annie (the reincarnation of Joxer): "THEY GOT HITCHED.”
I’m a reading manager in a primary school. I run the library and today I was telling my 8 year olds that in two weeks time we will be playing Mastermind and that they needed to think of a specialist subject.
I told them my specialist subject was Xena Warrior Princess.
Their teacher said she used to watch it on Channel 5 but it stopped halfway through the show.
I told them that channel 5 thought it had become unsuitable.
The children asked why.
I said that at the time when it looked like Xena and Gabrielle were in love Channel 5 stopped showing it as frequently.
The children looked very sad, and one child said “But they loved each other? Wasn’t that the best bit? Why did they think it was bad?”
I said “well, at the time it wasn’t so okay to be with a girl if you were a girl.”
They looked completely downtrodden.
One child said “Well that is wrong. If they love each other what’s wrong with that?”
This is a school with a 99% Muslim population, most of them with very strict families and most of them refugees / deprived.
I am an openly transgender teacher.
These children are our future and I’m so happy they are.