win the iron throne

anonymous asked:

HI, I've read the books and watched the Got series. I wanted to know. Why do you think the great council was not called upon during or even prior to the start of the war of the five kings? I think that these wars could have been prevented if they did. I'm not sure if this has been asked before.

Well, most of the belligerent parties wouldn’t agree to a Great Council, thanks to vastly differing war aims.

Renly believes he already has the tool he needs to win the Iron Throne (the armies of the Reach and most of the Stormlands), and that it’s a lot more sure thing than a Great Council where Renly only holds the loyalties of two regions at best. Moreover, Renly can’t risk a Great Council because his claim is rubbish before Stannis’s in every legal sense of the word. At a Great Council, a lord might side against Renly because of that, and there’s nothing Renly can do about it. On the battlefield however, Renly can pull the classic debate technique of killing everyone who disagrees with him.

Stannis, meanwhile, doesn’t believe the people will support him, and moreover, believes that the people are already obligated to support him by the laws of the Seven Kingdoms, so there’s no need for a Great Council.

Robb doesn’t really have an interest in a Great Council since he doesn’t believe that the North and Riverlands are in the Westerosi polity anymore; they’re an independent kingdom.

Finally, Joffrey can’t accept a Great Council because it means calling his paternity, and thus, his claim into action. Also, since he’s already the King of Westeros, there’s no real benefit to the Great Council, aside from pacifying Renly and Stannis, and they’re already not going to be pacified by it.

Thanks for the question, Anon.

SomethingLikeALawyer, Hand of the King

The legitimacy of kings in Westeros - Daenerys, Cersei, Euron, Jon

I’ve been thinking about the legitimacy of the kings in Westeros and the pretenders for the Iron Throne for some time and in case you’re up to some super long meta, here are my thoughts, the thoughs of a medieval historian. Now, my historical expertise doesn’t make my thoughts better than the thoughts of other readers/viewers of the show, but the consistency of how kingship and legitmate kings are depicted especially in the show has made me think for some time. And I think that the legitimacy of the various kings will be very important for the plot.

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jonsa-inthenorth: How do you think it’s all going to come into the play with everyone thinking Jon and Dany will get together?

Well, when I originally wrote The Case for Jon/Sansa in 2013, there was an element of “stop laughing, it isn’t actually that far-fetched” to it. It‘s pretty obvious in the opening paragraph and the part where I admit that I wouldn‘t bet on it even as I made the case for it.

So the best and most satisfying thing about Season Six is that Jon/Sansa is no longer all that far-fetched. I am actually surprised by that. Although I do remember someone arguing after Season Five that the point of Sansa’s questionable storyline was to get her a season early into Jon’s vicinity. That way any built-up to a relationship would not have needed to be squeezed into 10 or 13 action-heavy (so not Sansa screen time-friendly) episodes as it would be if they had only been reunited in 6x09 (the Vale joining the North).

As for Jon and Dany: there is one thing I am certain about. If Jon has an “endgame romantic partner”, she is in the show and still alive. That eliminates Val, Arianne, Margaery, Alys Karstark, Jeyne Poole and Jeyne Westerling. It is also unlikely to be someone who is a kinslayer, so Cersei and the Sand Snakes are probably not relevant either. Considering the age of Missandei’s book counterpart and Melisandre’s real age, I would also discount those two.

I am tempted to discount Arya for her age, too, but I’ve seen GRRM’s original outline, so I cannot. If you discount all these people, you are left with the following four characters: Dany, Sansa, Yara (Asha), Brienne and Meera. (Who I had originally forgotten about.) That’s it. There is no one else.

I’ll be honest. Out of those five (or six, if you include Arya) Dany has the best odds as Jon’s endgame partner. No need to mince words there. As long as these two are both breathing, it’s most definitely in the cards. Even Dany being busy with Cersei and conquering the South, reducing the time D&D have to establish a relationship, isn’t actually that much of a problem. Especially since it’s likely that by the time Jon and Dany join up, there will be no more parallel storylines.

But what has absolutely changed since 2013, is that once you take Dany out of the running (and plenty of people have speculated independently of Jon/Sansa why she might not be in the running), the next likely romantic partner is not Yara (Asha), Brienne, Arya, a random person from the street or a book-only character making a late entrance. It’s Sansa.

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anonymous asked:

What's the best strategy politically, militarily or otherwise for Maelys Blackfyre to win the Iron Throne? Would Westeros even accept him given his rather horrifying deformity?

I don’t think Westeros would have accepted him no matter what he looked like, nor do I believe that Maelys would have ever looked to any strategy other than a military one, given what had happened to Haegon and Aenys.

Thanks for the question, Anon.

SomethingLikeALawyer, Hand of the King

@thenothernwolf // continued from x 

Ironrath had not been safe since Ned Stark lost his head in King’s Landing. The position had been put on Robb, and although so young, Talia could not help but admire how courageous he stepped up to the position. He was a good King and he would be an even better King upon the Iron Throne. They would win this war … just as long as Robb stayed alive. That is what Talia intended to do. 

“I just do not want you to be killed, Your Grace, that is all. Our enemies live close by and are loyal to the Boltons. The Whitehills have stripped their Ironwood to barren hills. If they could kill trees that are centuries years old so quickly, I can only imagine what they could do to people. You do not need to protect me, Your Grace. You need to stay alive.” 

Am I the only one who like…doesn’t live in this world half the time? Because I daydream all the time. Are there people who don’t daydream all the time? What do you think about if you’re not daydreaming? Do you just…live in the here and now, like, ALL the time? Wow. Just wow. How do you deal with stress? Because if I’m stressed I’m just like whoop–I’m not stressed, because I’m like, totes in King’s Landing right now, chilling with Tyrion and shit. I’m stressed about who’s going to win the Iron Throne, not debt or schoolwork or family or anything. Better than drugs, yo.

lesmotsincompris  asked:

Do you think greyscale is gonna play a significant role in the endgame of asoiaf? What could that be?

There’s two views on how greyscale will affect the future plot of ASOIAF. The first view, which I don’t agree with, is that it will be solely personal and localized only to Jon Connington, spurring his actions in TWOW and ADOS (if he lives that long).

The second view – well, that theory says JonCon is just the start.

“Ser Jaime, I have seen terrible things in my time,” the old man [Pycelle] said. “Wars, battles, murders most foul… I was a boy in Oldtown when the grey plague took half the city and three-quarters of the Citadel. Lord Hightower burned every ship in port, closed the gates, and commanded his guards to slay all those who tried to flee, be they men, women, or babes in arms. They killed him when the plague had run its course. On the very day he reopened the port, they dragged him from his horse and slit his throat, and his young son’s as well. To this day the ignorant in Oldtown will spit at the sound of his name, but Quenton Hightower did what was needed. Your father was that sort of man as well. A man who did what was needed.”

–AFFC, Jaime I

“How did she die?” Tyrion knew that she was dead; no man spoke so fondly of a woman who had abandoned him.
“A Braavosi trading galley called at Pentos on her way back from the Jade Sea. The Treasure carried cloves and saffron, jet and jade, scarlet samite, green silk… and the grey death. We slew her oarsmen as they came ashore and burned the ship at anchor, but the rats crept down the oars and paddled to the quay on cold stone feet. The plague took two thousand before it ran its course.”

–ADWD, Tyrion II

“And the daughter… her face…”
“The grey death is what we call it.”
“It is not always mortal in children.”
“North of the Wall it is. Hemlock is a sure cure, but a pillow or a blade will work as well. If I had given birth to that poor child, I would have given her the gift of mercy long ago.”
This was a Val that Jon had never seen before. “Princess Shireen is the queen’s only child.”
“I pity both of them. The child is not clean.”
“If Stannis wins his war, Shireen will stand as heir to the Iron Throne.”
“Then I pity your Seven Kingdoms.”
“The maesters say greyscale is not—”
“The maesters may believe what they wish. Ask a woods witch if you would know the truth. The grey death sleeps, only to wake again. The child is not clean!”
“She seems a sweet girl. You cannot know—”
“I can. You know nothing, Jon Snow.” Val seized his arm. “I want the monster out of there. Him
and his wet nurses. You cannot leave them in that same tower as the dead girl.”
Jon shook her hand away. “She is not dead.”
“She is. Her mother cannot see it. Nor you, it seems. Yet death is there.”


So, two characters in AFFC/ADWD relate tales of grey plague epidemics that killed thousands… and Val is certain that Shireen is not cured, merely a dormant greyscale vector… and Jon Connington got infected with greyscale in the Sorrows and has returned to Westeros… That’s four pieces of evidence that hint that something terrible is coming. The only question in my mind is just how widespread a killer it’s going to be.

Now, I’m not fully certain of the theory that Patchface is going to kill Shireen and let the greyscale out (although I am unfortunately sure that Shireen is doomed and I am tremendously creeped out by Patchface nevertheless), because, well, the North does have enough problems. Between winter’s cold and blizzards, the Others and their wights, and the coming fall of the Wall, a grey plague would just be adding insult to injury. And while I wouldn’t put it past GRRM to pile one horrible thing on top of another, after a point I’m not sure there’d be enough people left in the North to kill.

But the South… well, that’s got Aegon’s invasion on the east coast, and the Ironborn invasion on the west coast, and dragons are coming, and wildfire is going to take out King’s Landing. But there’s a large central section that’s too south for winter to be as big a killer as it is in the north, unlikely to be reached by Others and wights (if the theory that they’ll be stopped at the Trident is true), and so it’s just cruisin’ for a bruisin’. A grey plague, with JonCon as the vector, could be bring more death than the Great Spring Sickness did back in the day. It could take out lots of characters too… minor, major, who knows. And I’m not guaranteeing anything, but will there be a person like Quenton Hightower, able to do what is needed for the long-term and for the safety of the many, rather than fall to short-term desires and the pleading of the few? Well, we’re just going to have to wait and see.

(BTW, someone once asked me if greyscale could be a defense against the Others, and um, how? It turns you to flaky stone, not adamantium. And then you die. Also before that you’re not invulnerable to being hacked to bits, I mean amputation is one of the attempted treatments for greyscale after all. Greyscale does not make you invulnerable to fire either, so nobody’s getting stoned to protect themselves from dragons tyvm. Also Targaryens are not immune to greyscale, so someone not getting sick is not proof of anything. Greyscale is not a solution to anything except life.)

ASOIAF FANCASTING MEME: 3/11 existing character’s younger versions
↳ Jamie Dornan as Eddard Stark
Eddard Stark, also affectionately called Ned, is the head of House Stark, Lord of Winterfell and Warden of the North. He is a close friend to King Robert Baratheon, whom he was raised with and helped to win the Iron Throne, and is eventually named Robert’s Hand of the King.”

Arya Stark and Daenerys Targaryen Parallels

I’ve noticed that very few people talk about the considerable parallels between Arya and Dany, so I created a quote list to illustrate a bunch of them. I left out some, there were too many, and some were just not well exhibited in quote format (such as similar feelings of betrayal by Harwin/Gendry and Jorah/Barristan.)

It’s amazing to note how similar Arya and Dany are in many ways. Both are fallen princesses (after Robb crowned himself and before Dany did) who’ve lived in poverty, homelessness and starvation as a member of the smallfolk. They both want to see dragons (before Dany’s hatches,) have a psychic link to a terrifying animal, and are foreshadowed as going to the Wall/helping battle the Others. They have similar mindsets for morality, the treatment of their enemies, and the protection of their people/pack. They are connected to Braavos as a home that isn’t a true one, are polyglots, and just parallel each other in many ways with their sense of justice, loyalty, protectiveness, and people in general.

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riana-one  asked:

Do you think Doran would have given up Elia or her kids to the Baratheons if they manage to flee safely to Dorne? I have seen this scernio asked before and the answer 'yes, of course anything for peace' seems to to be a misread of Doran's character and Dornish culture to me.

I think Doran gives the kids up with Jon Arryn’s assurances they won’t be killed, but rather given to the septons/silent sisters as soon as they’re old enough; once that’s done, no one’s coming for Elia. 

Doran, unlike Oberyn, is very particular about the war he wants to fight: he wants overwhelming force on his side, and until he can get it, he takes as little risk as possible, because as he tells Arianne: 

“Dorne is the least populous of the Seven Kingdoms. It pleased the Young Dragon to make all our armies larger when he wrote that book of his, so as to make his conquest that much more glorious, and it has pleased us to water the seed he planted and let our foes think us more powerful than we are, but a princess ought to know the truth. Valor is a poor substitute for numbers. Dorne cannot hope to win a war against the Iron Throne, not alone.”

Part of what makes Doran so fascinating is that he’s risk-averse to a fault; it keeps screwing him over, again and again. He never sends any resources or even information to Viserys RE the marriage pact because the danger of Varys finding out (the irony!) but that means Viserys never knows about the pact and gets himself killed. Doran also doesn’t tell Arianne, which leads to growing resentment of her own and eventually her seizing on Tyene’s disastrous queenmaking plot. And of course, he sends Quentyn with so little support to avoid setting off any red flags for the Lannister regime, but the result is the collapse of the mission at every turn. 

I think Doran Martell is GRRM’s critique/deconstruction of Secret Long-Simmering Revenge Plans and those who plan them. The core of that trope is the false front, the constant deceit, the “you didn’t need to know” dominating the schemer’s relationships. So often that’s presented as badass or at least charismatic, but in Doran’s case, it leads him to make devastating mistakes, and it does damage to his children and his relationships with them. Moreover, I think that as Doran fears, he’s leading his people (as represented by the children of the Water Gardens) into an abyss like they haven’t seen since Conqueror. 

So, here’s Daenerys Targaryen (one photo of millions.) She is the Mother of Dragons.

She looks a lot like Maiden with the Eyes of Blue, a Yu-Gi-Oh card based off an ancient Egyptian woman named Kisara, who controlled the Blue-Eyes White Dragon.

Ergo, Daenerys Targaryen is the mother of Blue-Eyes White Dragons. 

So the series finale will have her combining Drogon, Rhaegal and Visierion into an Ultimate Dragon and as long as the Lannisters don’t summon Exodia, Daenerys will win the Iron Throne. Calling it now.

Sansa Stark as Elizabeth Tudor, the Virgin Queen

Petyr Baelish as Thomas Seymour

Lately, I’ve been thinking about who will ultimately win the Iron Throne, and thought about how much Sansa is like the iconic British queen, Elizabeth I (d. 1603). 

Elizabeth was the daughter of a traitor (Anne Boleyn), grew up as a hostage, had red hair, and was the least likely person to ever sit on the English throne. However, she had a mentor in Thomas Seymour (like Baelish), and the whole scandal with Katherine Parr (who very well might be like Lysa). Katherine suspected Elizabeth and Thomas of having an affair, much like Lysa did, except well Martin isn’t going to follow history to a T, just drawing on ideas and so Baelish killed her.

Petyr is incredibly intelligent and ambitious like Thomas Seymour, but both have one terrible flaw: They can be very impatient and want too much, too fast. And their obsession over Sansa and Elizabeth Tudor who are royal heiresses, were their undoing and I do believe it will be Petyr’s undoing. Sansa is learning the game, and she won’t need Petyr for long.

What I find interesting is that Elizabeth, the mos unlikely person to become a monarch, became one of the greatest monarchs in English history. Could this happen to Sansa, whose childhood thus far is so like Elizabeths? Sansa despite her many betrothals is still a Virgin, just like the Virgin Queen. 

My money is on Sansa, not just for Queen in the North, but Queen of Westeros.