I JUST NOTICED SOMETHING
I’ve always wondered how the hell Layton knew so much about Clive just by looking at the Scotland Yard files.
And then I realized
“A famous London newspaper“ most likely refers to the Times, which Layton is often seen reading; it’s likely that he’s reading every single article every day.
At some point Clive worked at the Times as a reporter, meaning that his name was probably printed down at least once, in whatever context, as someone working there.
Ok this alone wouldn’t make sense at all since Layton didn’t even know what his name was.
Well, let’s talk about Lady Dove.
She must have been incredibly wealthy. And judging by the people, it was probably a big thing that there was literally only one heir for all that money, and I bet they mentioned his name at least once in the newspapers, of course only his new name though, probably not even a photo, bc who wants to be interviewed after his mother died
So how the friggedy frig did he connect this?
First; he must have had at least a little suspicion.
He didn’t know Dimitri too well obviously (since a fake moustache was enough to hide his identity) but it’s pretty damn clear that he didn’t have reasons to set this fake Layton shit up, that there was no way he could have gathered enough money to even put together the fake time machine from the opening scene, and that things around this mafia just didnt add up. He knew there was someone else behind this; if you consider that Bill Hawks couldn’t do shit for Dimitri’s plan to build a working time machine, personal hatred aside.
I don’t know where it started, or from which point on he worked his way to the solution, but yeah.
The files probably just contained a list of victims, and he probably looked at them in the first place because he suspected someone seeking revenge for what happened, since there was no damn reason to kidnap Bill Hawks this way if not for personal reasons.
In the unwound future, it says that ten people died, and that only one house next to the lab building was damaged. Knowing that this one was the house of Clive’s parents, we can assume that next to Claire, and Clive’s parents, the other seven victims were lab workers/unfortunally in the building.
That means: He could see exactly who Clive parents were, since they probably had the same last name and were, judging by the fact that no other family was affected, the only people who he could possibly belong to.
Now knowing that he had a possible culprit (Clive didn’t change that much lets be real), he went through scenarios how one could have done such a thing. This person would have had to have the power to set this up. And so he came to the conclusion that this person had to own a SHIT TON of money.
He then probably remembered the death of Constance Dove and how it was a big thing that she gave everything to just her adopted son.
Incredible amount of money
Around 18 when she died
We know Layton’s memory, so it’s possible that he actually remembered seeing Clive’s name in the Times after Constance Dove died and then seeing his name again as someone working there; he probably found it unusual to take a part time job if you’re as wealthy as the heir of Lady Dove.
So he could easily draw the line: The boy’s name was Clive. His parents died in the fire caused by the explosion, and his age matched. He was adopted by Constance Dove, who died five years later, leaving only him as the heir of her money, making him really rich (and without people who would mind if he disappeared into the void). He, for some reason, also worked at the Times at some point, which doesn’t make that much sense.
He had his culprit: He had a personal reason to hate hawks, he had the recources to resarch who was responsible for the death of his parents and enough money to set up fake London, and he went through enough shit to consider this a good way of bringing his point across.
And: He concluded this at the time he realized the underground London was a hoax.
You may wonder how he came to the point where he could safely assume that London was a fake. Here are just a few reasons stated casually as a side note during the first half of the game:
1. It’s always hot and even at the waterside, the air feels heavy; also indicated by how the plants at the Thames look a little like from a swamp. The clima is tropic and there is no wind.
2. The sky is always foggy, concealing what’s underneath.
3. They both feel dizzy after traveling between the “times“; the quick change of air pressure is causing them to react like this.
4. The many empty areas and areas still in construction. It doesn’t make sense to build new things in the middle of a nearly deserted area.
5. The media is also controlled by the mafia. A man states that the Times wouldn’t write about anything relevant anymore.
6. People having no clue about where they are and why they are here after being hired as construction workers
7. The damn tower of the clock shop IS AS HIGH AS THE CEILING
All of these made it highly plausible that the mastermind was hiding in close proximity to guide them through this, leaving only one more possible culprit: Future Luke, who could of course not be who he claimed to be.
A few more reasons that probably added to the Professor’s suspicion about him:
-He didn’t recognize Flora at first
-He told the Professor that the Casino was run by the mafia, and the guy at the entrance would only let people with a casino membership pass. Why would Future Luke have a casino membership at the mafia casino, and why meet Layton there?
-To have them be attacked by the mafia of course. Clive hired Bostro and Bostro was the one initiating the attack (and slapping him across the room which is suddenly 1000% more funny to me (“just attack us and when I backtalk, just hit me“ “are you sure“ “yes just smack me across the room“)). This was supposed to make Layton trust “future Luke“ by being attacked in an enviroment where Clive could easily help and appear trustworthy (never wondered where he got the coins from? This is a casino! These things equal money! They dont just stand around in buckets)
-Clive actually dropped out his roll often enough (in the pagoda for example when talking to the two mafia guys that look like chelmey and barton).
-Clive was actually refered to as “young master“ by accident which is of course not suspicious at all
Yeah so here is the longest analysis I’ve ever written :))):
Okay, so I saw Maurice’s 30th anniversary screening and I LOVED IT SO MUCH. And James Ivory was there and he did a Q&A and it was awesome.
Some stuff that happened:
-James Ivory had a broken mic and they made him use it the entire time even though the moderator’s mic worked fine, which was ridiculous.
-James Ivory, accidentally insulting James Wilby while describing why he cast him: “Well, we needed someone who could be like Maurice, who wasn’t very intelligent, or thoughtful, or as clever as Clive…”
-“We cast Hugh Grant, who had dark hair, so I wanted to cast someone for Maurice who was blonde. So for a long time, James Wilby thought I only cast him because he was blonde.”
-On why he cast James Wilby in Howard’s End: “There were a few scenes where he’s terrible to his sister, and I saw his performance and thought, ‘Oh, he’d be a WONDERFUL villain’.”
-One person pointed out that in the scene where Clive goes to Risley’s trial, Clive’s lip is bloody even though the scene where Maurice bit him hasn’t happened yet. This person asked if that was an error, and James Ivory said, “Oh, no. There was a fight.” “Clive got in a fight?” “No, Hugh Grant got in a fight. He showed up like that and we just had to shoot him that way.”
Have I told you all about my slight obsession quest to find the most extraordinary bread in LOTRO’s Middle-Earth?
Game designers for LOTRO put a lot of work into what they do, and I think it’s often underappreciated. So when I stumbled upon these scrumptious artisan loaves in the Bree crafting hall, I knew I had to find all the game objects that went above and beyond in terms of quality and creativity. There are many! But I’ve been focusing on bread, because who doesn’t love bread? There’s some really nice bread in Tom Bombadil’s house too. It’s worth a gander.
Look at those fresh-baked loaves. You want them, you know you do.
Day 12: Favorite quest so far?
Do you know how hard it is to answer a question like that? As if I could ever choose. Every quest is a unique experience, and the LOTRO designers put thought, witty humor, and dedication to Tolkien’s lore into each. The chicken play quests are amazing, for one. I also love the turtle soup quest. Mordrambor’s storyline, and the epic vol 1 as well (discovering Mordirith, aka Earnur, in the legendarium was super exciting!!). I also really enjoy some of the festival quests, like the mushroom hunt or the egg scramble. Or the one in Forochel where this guy wants to kidnap the woman he’s in love with, thinking that’s the best way to get her to marry him. It all works out in the end and they give you candied almonds. I’ll never forget that one. I barely ever skip quests, because I truly enjoy doing each and every one. Yeah, sure, most of the time you’re solving other people’s problems, but they’re incredibly grateful at the end and sometimes you even save lives, and you become well-loved by those you meet in your travels. I enjoy helping others through quests, all of them!
One of the things I’ve come to notice after reading and watching Maurice several times is the varied opinions on Clive. Which is something that really intrigues me, and I have some input. I’ve crafted my own opinion, which has changed several times, and now is pretty permanent.
After you watch Maurice once, you hate Clive. He’s awful. Scumbag. Douche. After you watch Maurice a few more times, you start to understand Clive, and you sympathize more. With the pressure from his family and mother, to marry and carry responsibilities he can’t possibly escape from. He realizes the consequences of being homosexual in that time and place. He has so much to live up to, with so much weighing on him, and he falls apart, and in recollecting himself, makes a change. And it hurts Maurice, but you can sympathize more. You might have done the same thing. Poor Clive.
However, after READING the text, and watching deleted scenes from the film that were CUT (GOD KNOWS WHY) that show Clive’s hostility, you understand. The entirety of what Clive put Maurice through is h e a r t b r e a k i n g. Clive introduces Maurice to his own views about the greeks. He shapes Maurice into his own views. All the while in love with Maurice, yes. But he awakens Maurice in what can almost be realized as manipulative (later on you can see this more clearly). And that’s what Clive is. He falls for Maurice, strings him along out of his own fear and blunt fading interest, starts to back out (note: Risley’s arrest had NOTHING to do with Clive backing out, it wasn’t even in the book). Clive simply lost interest; realized life could be better. He traveled to Greece, saw his own past views in a tangible form, and realized they were no longer valid, and couldn’t be. So, he “changed”. He was an A S S H O L E towards Maurice, who took care of him when he was falling apart. After reading, you can see this. He treated him like shit. He’s a snippy, smartass, pompous, spoiled douche with the way he treats Maurice. After stringing him along, Maurice investing his LIFE in Clive, Maurice is dropped after Clive simply becomes repulsed by anything even remotely related to Maurice because he simply DOES NOT CARE, he purposely (which is in the text) seeks out someone completely unlike Maurice and Clive marries a woman who feels uncomfortable watching her own husband dress because he’s so cold and empty. The relationship is empty. He parades it in front of Maurice and flaunts his “straight” lifestyle. Clive is a cold fish on a marble slab. THAT relationship is platonic! There is no love. And the best part of the entire novel, and I am furious this scene was cut out of the film, is when Maurice stands up to Clive at the very end, and disappears with Alec, leaving Clive alone to withstand all the emptiness he has filled his life with.
I’ve had someone put that on me. My first love decided he wasn’t gay anymore, for other reasons, and it d e s t r o y e d me. So I get it.
I’m not convinced Clive “changed”. I’m sorry. That doesn’t happen. You don’t hit the undo button on the gay factor. Clive was a coward. Clive was empty. Clive was heartless. And I do believe that E.M Forster ends the novel in the perfect way; I do believe that’s an “oh shit” moment for Clive. Where he realizes “maybe i did love you, maybe my life is empty, maybe i made some wrong choices, maybe i was a huge bulldog dick to the one person who was able to deal with me and my smart ass speeches, ever”. I do believe that is the moment where Clive actually becomes un-empty. Where he feels. Where he regrets. But it’s too fucking late because you were completely and utterly awful. And this realization of Clive makes me appreciate Alec and, ESPECIALLY Maurice, so much more, and when I watch the film now, it’s not the same, because I know. I don’t have pity for Clive. I don’t feel sorry for him.
This has been the ultimate rant about Mr. Clive Durham. Thank you.
book review: E.M. Forster’s ‘Maurice’ (or a defence of Clive Durham)
Strap in. I’ve got a lot of feelings about Maurice.
I thought this was going to be a coming of age novel about a young gay man’s sexual awakening, but it was really a meditation on loneliness and how much loneliness a person can endure. Without rehashing the whole plot, at the centre of the novel is the relationship between Maurice, the title character, and his friend Clive who fall in love at Cambridge and have a platonic love affair for three years until Clive’s feeling change and he decides to marry, leaving Maurice heartbroken and completely alone.
In his Terminal Note Forster admits to being unfair to Clive and I have to agree. I read Clive as a biromantic asexual. I don’t believe he was suppressing his true nature by marrying, I think he was yielding to it. I’m not convinced his decision to marry Anne was any more calculating than his decision to be with Maurice. He didn’t enjoy a physical relationship with Maurice and, even though they consummate their relationship, he doesn’t enjoy sex with Anne; the difference is, Anne doesn’t enjoy sex either! Unlike Maurice, that kind of intimacy is unimportant to her, making her a more ideal partner for Clive.
While Maurice’s loneliness is characterized by lack of human contact, Clive’s is more cerebral. Even when they were together, Clive sought passion and companionship in classical texts rather than human contact, whereas Maurice had no need for those texts once he found Clive. When he’s older, Clive’s love of ideas manifests itself in society and political aspirations. I think you can read this two ways 1. He’s a snob willing to betray a lover to maintain his social status or 2. His one true love is and always has been a communion with ideas, not any one person.
If Clive is guilty of anything it’s not leaving Maurice but remaining his friend and banishing him to a purgatory where Maurice couldn’t have Clive but wasn’t given the emotional space to get over him either. This was the most compelling and convincing part of the novel and what I loved most about it (the angst! dear god the angst!). Toward the end, however, when Clive becomes a villain and blatantly prejudiced, it felt disingenuous of the author, like I was reading Forster’s prejudice against Clive and not Clive’s prejudice against “the unspeakable vice of the Greeks.”
I have a soft spot for frigid intellectuals so I thought I was just biased, until I watched the movie where they clearly try to remedy this discrepancy in the novel with the Risley-arrest subplot to give Clive a clear motive–fear–to cowardly back out of his relationship with Maurice. But fear was not the motive in the novel nor was the motive a deep attraction to women. In fact, he even tried to enter a sexual relationship with Maurice before he left for Greece!
I don’t know what a satisfying resolution for Clive’s character would be. I can say what I wanted: I wanted Clive to feel grief. I wanted him to grieve Maurice’s decision to run away with Alec, not because he thought it was morally wrong but because he didn’t want to lose him.
I 100% wanted Maurice to end up with Alec but I think the ending could have honoured his love for Clive and Clive’s love for him. Their love story was central to the novel and not all great love stories involve sex or last forever.
*Le gasp* Ania-Senpai I have an idea! Why don't you upload a video where Clive auditions for a character? (I think he would make an awesome Sans voice for Unifytale). If your fans (and you, of course) approve his voice for Unifytale!Sans then... Let his voice be a part of your AU. Just... Please, think about it, alright?
He’s worried about putting his voice on the internet as voice acting
if they pulled a spike and xander with clive and blaine that would be hilarious. an episode where blaine borrows ;) clive's cop stuff and plays pretend would def be something among some other comical scenarios. possibilities!