what do you mean people are 'upset' over the shipping implications

Lance has a Type™

Fandom: Voltron
Pairing: Previous Lance/Lotor, Klance
Character: Lance, Lotor, Keith
Summary: Lance and Keith get captured and some things are revealed.

AN - Literally just a dumb little thing I wrote in relation to the crossed out part that i wrote here because no one else wrote it.  Fits with the orignal paladin/altean aristocrat Lance threoy.
Unbeta’d because yolo and stuff

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The Romance Arc (Destiel)

So, I know we always say it, but the other day I was finally fed up enough - or weird enough - to decide I’d make a list. And, guys, this is going to be a long-ass post, so if you haven’t got time, here is the tl;dr version: if we look at the love tropes most commonly used to build an onscreen relationship, Dean and Cas score an eye-watering 61/91 - that’s a 67% total.

Now, to put that in perspective - in order to build a romance arc, you’ve got five obligatory stages (meeting each other, falling in love, becoming a couple, a period of conflict, a resolution) and each of these stages will include at least one common trope, more or less hidden according to the kind of media and the author’s intent and sophistication. tvtropes lists a total of 91 tropes, but no love story will ever use them all. That would be ridiculous - either a parody or complete insanity. Think of a story where our lovers were destined to be together and also promised to each other as children and also the reincarnation of past lovers; where they meet by spilling coffee on each other and then she goes on to lose her handkerchief and he picks it up and runs after her to give it back but - whoa - now she’s been attacked by pirates and the hero wants to save her but his king is ordering him not to and oh no, what will he do? That sounds like overkill, right? And it totally is: a story with too many tropes is a ridiculous, unrealistic, unwatchable mess. To give you a better idea of what I mean, if look at those 91 tropes tvtropes lists as possible steps to build a romance arc, Dirty Dancing, one of the most romantic movies ever made, only scores 19 points; 10 Things I Hate about You, another big favourite of mine and an absolute ALL the love, ALL the feels story, scores 16 points. And Jane the Virgin, an actual soap-opera parody on the CW complete with sudden rain and snow to highlight special kisses, scores even lower: 13 points.

Meanwhile, normal friendships between men like Sam and Frodo’s in the Lord of the Rings trilogy or Ted and Marshall’s in How I Met Your Mother score a grand total of zero points - so, yes, it’s perfectly possible to write a non-romantic male friendship even when that friendship is a dramatic I’ll walk with you to the very edge of the Earth and then carry you up the slopes of a dangerous volcano and finally die with you sort of thing. Because, funnily enough, you can be friends with somebody and be ready to die for them without actually having a sexual interest in them. 

(Johnlock scores 29 points.)

(Wincest, 4.)

Something you could be wondering at this point is, why tropes though? Why are tropes a thing, and why does it matter how many tropes Supernatural chooses to use between Dean and Cas? And, look, I’m sure someone else could say it better, but essentially tropes are the bones of a story. Every single story you see out there, from the Odyssey to Torchwood/Gossip Girl crossovers to coffeshop AUs is built out of the same building blocks. There are, like, seven possible plots and about two dozen kinds of characters and maybe two hundred common tropes - and that’s it. Try tagging any classic novel with AO3 tags and you’ll see what I mean. 

[This story is Jules Verne’s fanfiction of an Edgar Allan Poe novel, and, yeah.]

Now, since it’s only possible to build a story in a limited number of ways, the problem all authors face is to find an original way to make it work. Some will use tropes religiously, either because they can’t think of anything different or because they hope a tried-and-tested formula will appeal to readers (see every romance novel under the sun; also most thrillers). Others will make fun of tradition by throwing the tropes back in your face (one of my favourite takes of this is Diana Wynne Jones’ Howl’s Moving Castle). And others will manage to bullshit you so thoroughly and completely you won’t notice the tropes are there until it’s too late - those are the stories where you’re truly surprised and shocked by events and you sit up in bed like a fool gasping out loud and you only stop reading because you need to tell someone asap, You won’t believe what just happened. A good example of this is the ending of the first season of Game of Thrones - we were all so convinced Ned Stark was the hero, filming people who hadn’t read the books as they watched him die became something of a hobby; and many became convinced George RR Martin was this all-powerful deity without any rules (not true: he’s a good writer, however, and he managed to convince most of us Ned was the hero when in reality he was the ‘Dumbledore’ figure - and therefore his death makes perfect sense).

And if we’re talking about Destiel - as I explained in the very first meta I wrote for this fandom (though at the time I hadn’t even realized I was part of a fandom, and didn’t know what a meta even was), I didn’t start to ‘ship’ Dean and Cas out of nefarious reasons, or tedium, or a desire to write smutty fanfiction. In fact, I still don’t consider myself a shipper in any way. I am not particularly interested in romance, and I never go out of my way to see who may be suited for whom. And I’m not saying there’s anything wrong in doing that - just that it’s something I don’t do. If I started to see Destiel and to write about it, it’s because to me (and, apparently, to a lot of other people), it was clear that there was something there; that that was how the story was built. And if I started to look at it more closely, it was simply because my expectations as a viewer were disappointed, and the relationship of trust between author and reader was - for me - crumbling into nothingness. 

And, look, I won’t lie: I was angry and upset by the implications - that there was something wrong with me - that I was trying to force a sexual relationship on two friends just because. That, as a woman, I couldn’t enjoy a story without making it all about the romance. No, I am a huge book nerd, and I like writing stories, and I mostly analyse stuff for a living and I also sort of have eyes? - so, to me, it was clear I was being lied to, and at that moment, I was left in an uncomfortably ambiguous position which will sound familiar to many of you - I was furious at the show, but at the same time I was still in love with the characters (so very much in love). This was a frustrating feeling which presented me with two equally unappealing options - to keep watching and not expect anything, or to walk away. In the end, I tried a third way, which I suspect many of you have chosen as well: I was too invested in these characters to abandon them, but I also wanted this story to be an honest story, so I started complementing it with ‘viewing supports’. I started to read (and write) fanfiction. I looked for fanvideos, fanart and gifs. And, most of all, I fell into the habit of reading (and writing) metas after every episode to make sure what I was seeing was actually there. Because, well, for me - that’s why I write metas about Supernatural when I don’t write metas of other shows I enjoy much more: because most of the time Supernatural is more focused on not telling a story than it is in telling one, which means what we are left with what is a half story where our characters have their own secret life offscreen and many lines of dialogue could mean anything. Ironically enough, Supernatural has become like its hero and POV character, Dean Winchester: a con and a liar and a charmer who tries to be liked by everyone. 

(And let’s not forget the swings both ways thing).

As for the other question - are we crazy? - I’m hoping this post will help clearing things up: no, we are not crazy. The reason we see a romance unfolding is because the relationship between Dean and Cas is written to fit a romance arc - and does fit a romance arc by 67%.

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anonymous asked:

Who do you think is responsible for the censorship of sanvers, the writers or the CW? I'm inclined to believe it's the latter. I feel like this is probably standard practice for various networks with "family" shows, but I'm seeing a lot of anger directed towards the writers specifically, and I don't know if it is the most productive thing. Not that the writers shouldn't be criticized for other things.


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anonymous asked:

(I'm sorry in advance for this long ass Sprousehart rant!) Honestly, all this controversy over whether or not SH are dating, needs to stop. I know most people stick to their lanes, but judging by things Lili has quite uncomfortably stated, they quite obviously see tumblr posts picking at every minor detail in their personal lives. Fans literally look for something Cole related in whatever Lili posts/says and vice versa. And the fact Lili can't like or enjoy certain poems or quotes

[CONT.] (even though I feel some of them are suspicious and lead me to believe she is talking about Cole - the one about a CW actor, one’s about not expecting to feel what she feels, about ‘being in deep’ - I honestly can’t imagine her talking about someone else because fans are super crazy and dive deep into celebrities personal lives, we would know if she was seeing/talking about someone else romantically) without feeling violated/nervous to do or post about things she enjoys (hello??

[CONT.] she is clearly extremely close with Cole, something she probably would share more with the world if people didn’t react the way they did) just gets to me.. The whole situation is very delicate and ‘picky’ for me. Because one part of me can’t help but slightly blame Lili & Cole (as bad as it sounds, hear me out).They have repetitively flirted in public, made heart eyes (I get that’s something they maybe can’t/shouldn’t have to control,

[CONT.] But they should at least expect/not get too offended when people don’t mean to sound so invested/forceful in their relationship), called each other ‘friends’ but avoided the dating question (if it wasn’t something more, they’d be like Holland Roden and Dylan O'brien - Stydia’s actors, people who clearly have a bro-like relationship and make sure the world knows it, as well as Madelaine who said ‘God no, Cole is like my brother!’ when asked the dating question Lili pointedly ignored)

[CONT.] been proved to spend intimate evenings together (going on date like lunches too) and mysteriously disappearing on the same weekends we later find out they spent together. I’m all for whatever the hell they are, they clearly respect, trust and deeply care for one and other, and in my opinion, that’s all we need to know. But Cole, being someone who’s been in the spotlight almost his entire life knows what being a celebrity means and how people act how they are going to act

[CONT.] (you can’t change that, or ignore it) so the biggest most effective move I feel the could make is say ‘Hey, we’re together. We make each-other happy. And shouldn’t have to treat one and other like a secret just to enjoy simple privacy.’ and I feel, for the most part, things wouldn’t be as crazy as they are now. I don’t know.. just the fact that they swerve around dating rumors and work the word ‘friend’ into every conversation they have about the other seems to allude to them

[CONT.] (along with all the obsessive ‘breadcrumbs’ I probably shouldn’t even know due to some obsessive detective work) being more. I just wish everyone on Tumblr/Instagram/Twitter realised where it isn’t so bad to support potential real life couples, it certainly isn’t okay to harass them on comment sections and in interviews, and it certainly isn’t okay to super analyse everything the say or do. Sprousehart, I feel, as much as I love and support them no matter what also need to take partial

[CONT.] blame (now that they’re realizing that people don’t just 'ship’ them because they’re together on the show, people aren’t that naive/biased/delusional)and realise whereas they deserve their privacy and the right to do whatever the hell they want, not everything needs to be so blown out of proportion that they feel they can’t express what they are. I don’t want it to come to the obsessive and crazy stage Nian/Larry stans reached and potentially ruined friendships and story-arcs as well as

[CONT.] causing implications in real life relationships. I feel SH shippers could reach that level if all this obsessiveness doesn’t change. Idk, these are my long assed thought’s.. what do you feel? I’m sorry if this is too much, or if you don’t agree or want to share this. I’m just shy posting such thoughts on my account (one I’m sure you’re aware of) and hope to be told all my notions and thoughts on the mess the fandom is all helping to build aren’t completely wrong or misplaced.

[CONT.] Thank-you so much if you actually took time to understand or share your thought’s on that extremely long and crazy rant that I needed to get out. Thanks for even just reading or listening in general. I know you have certain opinions on SH - one’s I agree a lot on. And you are very kind and understanding so I thought this was the place to go. I didn’t mean offense by any of this. I was just questioning where the blame falls and that every SH fan no matter how small has contributed to this

i’ve gotta say when i woke up to 11 messages i was like “oh, shit, i really pissed somebody off.” so, thank you for not being anonymous hate. my blog is definitely a place where people can share their thoughts and feelings on whatever, even if i don’t personally agree or know how to respond to it. i’m glad that you’re not excusing the fandom for making everything lili and cole do about each other. a lot of people on this site (and i can only really speak for this site because i don’t venture very deep on twitter and i don’t have an instagram) have turned lili and cole into a ship rather than individual people, and that’s just not right. i do disagree with some of it, though, like it being partially lili and cole’s fault 

they shouldn’t have to change the way they look at each other, or talk to each other, or interact in anyway because it might give people ideas. that’s almost like victim blaming– they were acting flirty, so it’s only natural that people would think they’re dating and analyze everything they do to try and “prove” that they are. they don’t have a right to be upset or uncomfortable about it because they were asking for it with all those shoulder touches. can you see why i don’t think that’s quite right? i know you’re not saying it to that extreme, but it does kind of imply that 

as you said, cole has been around this his entire life– so he likely knows that no matter what they do (confirm or deny) it’s not going to stop the harassment. if they deny, people will call them liars. if they confirm, the harassment will just change form. instead of constantly asking them if they’re dating, people will start asking them if they’re still together. either way the bombarding doesn’t stop. perhaps they decided (as friends or more than friends) that the best decision was just to ignore the dating rumors. there’s nothing they can do to stop that analyzing. that’s on us. i’ve been around long enough to know that them declaring that they’re together would not stop the fans trying to make everything they say or do about each other. in fact, a new level of harassment might be added if they were to come out as “in a relationship.” people would spam their twitters and instagrams with comments like “WHY DO YOU NEVER POST PICTURES WITH COLE” and “HOW COULD YOU PHOTOGRAPH HER WHEN YOU HAVE LILI” and “ARE YOU GUYS STILL TOGETHER?” on tumblr people would start freaking out that they broke up if they went too long without liking each other’s pictures or being spotted out at lunch together 

as far as i know, last night was the only time either of them have implied that the over analyzing bothers them. they’ve actually been quite chill about it. it’s their friends, family, and co-workers that are getting openly upset/annoyed for them. their response to it seems to only have been to post less of each other, which i find very sad. something i think you agree with. if people didn’t make such a huge deal out of everything they do and spam their social media accounts, we’d likely get to see a lot more of them. they’d be more comfortable sharing photos and videos with us, like they are with cami and kj. i also think it needs to be pointed out that kj and cole go on long weekend trips together all the time and cami and cole also have that teasing vibe lili and cole have– so what makes weekend trips with lili and cole mean more than weekend trips with cole and kj? what makes lili teasing cole mean more than cami teasing cole? the trips, the teasing, the lunches, the touches– they’re not just exclusive to SH. those things shouldn’t be considered “proof” unless you’re also willing to admit it could mean something for the other pairings. i see people argue that they’re much more secretive about doing those things with each other than the other cast which is sketchy… but they don’t get harassed about cami and kj the way that they do each other (or at least not as much). that could be why they don’t post as much when they’re together as easily as it could be they’re trying to keep their romance hush hush 

as for the quotes lili likes on instagram– sure, she could have liked them with somebody in mind, but you don’t have to be in a relationship to appreciate a quote or poem about love. i save a TON of romance quotes on my pinterest and i’m not in a relationship. i’ve never been in love. that’s part of what i think she was talking about yesterday. she doesn’t want to share her poems because she feels like we’re going to declare that she wrote it with somebody in mind or try to apply it to somebody in her life when it could actually just be an arrangement of words that she liked. i mean, foster the people have a song about a school shooting, but that doesn’t make me think they’re homicidal 

i definitely agree that things need to change before we become toxic and take a toll on irl relationships. cole and lili ending up like nina and ian is like nightmare #1. i don’t want bughead to suffer because lili and cole had a falling out, especially if part of that falling out was because we were stressing them out so much and making them uncomfortable. i also don’t want to stress them out and make them uncomfortable. they don’t deserve to feel that way. they deserve to have a little privacy, and should be able to post pictures (with or without each other) without people screeching about sprousehart. i don’t think that there’s anything wrong with thinking they’re cute and appreciating their relationship and maybe even thinking they’d be good together, but there’s a line between appreciation and obsession. a line between appropriate behavior and inappropriate behavior, and this fandom is really starting to struggle to stay on the right side of those lines 

anonymous asked:

What do you think about the Lancelot theories? It's completely plausible that they could have the new seasons have a 'creepy and charming' Lotor and Lancelot could be seen, right? Do you see this entire theory plausible at all? (this is with terms of Lotor kidnapping Lance and perhaps Keith and Lance becoming better friends over it, etc. etc. other theories, fjdhjs, yeah).

I’m indifferent on the general concept of Lotor and Lance as a ship because we know squat about Lotor and if my theories are correct they might have common ground and could relate to each other positively.

But as for Lotor creeping on Lance, I’m really not a fan.

First and foremost because I’m not a fan of creepy Lotor in general and if someone is being creepy and not respecting others’ boundaries it doesn’t matter if the person being creeped on is male or female, it’s not funny, it’s not interesting, it’s just super, super uncomfortable. Especially if Lotor is literally abducting Lance because it sends the downright terrifying implication of, the paladins have only started confronting him now, if Lotor’s that creepy and possessive then what’s happened to everyone else he’s taken interest in that didn’t have a bunch of superhero friends to bust them out?

It also sits wrong with me, because especially with the idea of being a “pretty boy” type character, it feels a lot like everybody’s gross friend, the “predatory gay,  ‘‘‘effeminate’’’ villain that hits on the Good, Conventionally Masculine Hero just to establish how creepy and predatory he is”

If your aim is to set Keith up with Lance, I think it’s skeevy to act like either of them will only move on that if spurred by jealousy. It cheapens Lotor by reducing him to a plot device to get Keith and Lance together.

If Lance is in trouble, whether or not Keith is romantically interested in him, Keith’s going to be upset and scared because he usually is at the prospect of losing people he cares about, and yeah, he’s probably going to react a lot, but so is Hunk, so is the rest of the team- their friend and part of their found family is in danger. Romance doesn’t really have any place in that narrative besides maybe “oh god I was terrified I’d never see you again” kind of confessions and there’s plenty of other reasons Lotor could go after Lance besides somehow Lance speaks to galra beauty standards.

(I mean, if we’re just having Lotor trying to romance one of the paladins, I’d think Shiro would be way more classically handsome by galra conventions- he’s taller, he’s muscular, stronger jawline, got the scar)

Also I think it’s sorta rude to assume that Lotor’s going to be lecherous and kidnapping just because GoLion/DotU did it. The VLD writers have come down very heavily on the idea of him creeping on Allura, and have talked about how disturbing and uncomfortable that is, and that he won’t be doing that in canon, and I feel like it misses the point to go “so… he’ll do it to Lance instead, right?” because, see point one. Being creepy is being creepy, it doesn’t somehow make it harmless and funny if it happens to a male character. If anything, that sends a lot of very ugly messages.

Besides- DotU Coran was sexist as hell and tied Allura to a chair to try and force her to give up piloting the Blue Lion. VLD Coran would never dream of that and would probably deck someone for suggesting it. The entire DotU pilot team once stood around and laughed watching Allura get spanked. A stranger once showed up and beat up Lance for the right to keep hassling Allura, and this was treated as classic Prince Charming behavior that immediately endeared her to said stranger. 

None of that would ever happen in VLD.

DotU/GoLion may have been the original Voltron, and the writers of VLD are clearly giving it respect in that way, in the forms of homages and nods, but it’s also a show from the eighties that is very imperfect and has some outright awful moments. If we can accept that writing, and standards of decency, have moved forwards for characters like Coran, I find it odd to assume that Lotor’s characterization would be deadlocked in the eighties, especially when VLD has already changed a lot about other villains we’ve seen.

(For one thing, the empire in VLD actually operates like, for the most part, a well-oiled machine that could possibly manage a large intergalactic empire)

Stages of Grief and Love subject: Grace Hanson

Hello Grace and Frankie fandom, 

Our subject for today is The Stages of Grief and Love and our character of study is Grace Hanson, and this will chronicle her journey into accepting that she loves one Frankie Bernstein. 

Warning this post is exceptionally long. 

If this topic of conversation interests you please read more, and if it doesn’t there are plenty of other things you can do with your time I’m sure. 

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“Keith, my dear old boring friend,” Lance begins one day, intruding Keith’s personal space and flinging himself down on Keith’s bed like he owns the place.  “You know what’s been bothering me?  There is absolutely no one in this solar system to kiss.  How sad is that?”

Keith glances up from his book, frowning.  “Leave.”

“Oh, dear.  Is someone upset today?  Shocker.”  Lance stretches his arms up above his head, yawning.  “You probably haven’t even kissed someone.  How sad.”

It’s obvious bait, but Keith falls for it anyways.  “Of course I’ve kissed someone,” he protests automatically.

Lance snorts, rolling over on the bed.  He rests his chin on his palm, a perfect picture of laziness, and raises an eyebrow at Keith.  “Sure you have.”

Keith rolls his eyes.  “As if you have?”

Lance shrugs.  “I’ll have you know that at the garrison, I had my fair share of lady friends.”

“Poor girls.”

“Maybe, but that’s their choice.”  He angles one finger over at Keith.  “You, sir, are missing out.”

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A little bit more regarding the cruel and unsatisfying end to the Defiore storyline…

Sam Catlin had this to say - “I’m a huge fan of Tom Brooke, and Anatol as well. It was very hard to kill off DeBlanc last year. And then Fiore was just as difficult a decision we made. We had a plan for him. The reason why we loved the idea of him being on his own was this idea of him as Starman, experiencing the Earth and its pleasures and temptations and disappointments. He would be the ultimate immigrant, in a lot of ways. We were going to have that story play out over many episodes. But then as we started talking about other elements of the season and other stories we wanted to tell and other stories we were going to bring forward that we haven’t even done yet, it felt like we were shortchanging some of those other stories. So we decided to make it a little bit of a one-act play or a short story, and try to condense it into one episode. In Preacher, you can die, but it doesn’t mean it’s the last we’ve seen of you. We all love Tom so much as a performer, and even more as a person. So we have some plans. We have some plans to resurrect, if not his character, then his persona at some point down the road.” [x]

It was very obvious to me and many others that Deblanc was a demon and I believe that plan changed. This interview alone should give a great deal of credence to that, along with all the stray observations and clues scattered across season 1. In my head, Defiore were Genesis’ biological parents and are still out there somewhere, waiting to be reunited with their eldritch horror child from the void (and I will write fic to that effect - that is my only accepted canon even in stuff not centered on them). 

I think Catlin and co. just did it for convenience’s sake, judging by the above quote. I think they just felt they couldn’t juggle it all and it was hugely insensitive. I think they had no idea about the implications of what that were doing and this is like…typical straight men writing mistake #1. Watching Talking Preacher and hearing Seth say Deblanc was Fiore’s “friend” instead of calling him his partner or something? I mean even though it’s confirmed that was bad. At least Dom had the good sense to refer to Deblanc as the love of Fiore’s life. I feel like some of these men still have trouble talking about same sex relationships.

It hit very close to home for many people, including my cousin I run my Preacher podcast with - @hermouthslipped/ @celestialtraitors. When ships I’m invested in are destroyed like this, I just get disappointed and occasionally super-pissed and either drop the show/book/whatever (and fic the shit out of what I wanted instead) and/or just put my feelings aside to wait and see if it’s still worth it bc my investment has always been in the happiness of the characters and the meaning I attribute to their relationship but it’s never connected to something larger and deeply personal - like a resonance with a relationship in my life and/or my sexuality. 

For those of you for whom this is consequently deeply painful - I know this isn’t a comfort, but I think it’s REALLY obvious they had different plans initially and that there was a version of this where they were both alive and well. I think Deblanc was a demon and they at least considered keeping him alive - it’s interesting how Sam brought up Anatol bc that means they definitely thought of scenarios where both were still alive. Also in Tom’s recent Q & A he mentioned that Fiore was an architect - that was legit his occupation. So Deblanc saying he was a serial killer to get into hell (even if that wasn’t his actual occupation)…he was a demon. He was thinking of what would make sense in hell probably whereas Fiore just innocently answered with what he really was (also Fiore often seemed incapable of lying whereas Deblanc was able to and did so often…there are a lot of clues but we’d be here all day if I went into them). I will always just have a different canon running in my head for them and will write out some of it myself, and it is a comfort in a way knowing it was considered. I’m pissed it’s not what we got and I’m appalled that they didn’t think how this could hurt people. They could’ve just left him at the casino…but I think they thought this would be more meaningful or something - but the thing is that’s just not the case with gay characters bc it’s almost all that ever happens to them, and they didn’t give that consideration due weight. And they should’ve called them partners/boyfriends/whatever like…that at least??? This is especially rich coming from Seth Rogen who plays with borderline romantic male friendships in his stuff all the time. Why did he need to no homo AN ACTUAL ROMANCE? We get it Seth boys can be friends…they can also be boyfriends. Just call Defiore what it is - at least call them partners! This is gal pal level silly. 

This show is better than the comics in every way in terms of how it handles social issues (like having a black woman with agency and her own storyline be a protagonist and the center of a love triangle and be seen as desirable and badass? you never see that), so there’s no excuse that “ofc it was this way look at the source material.” That’s a terrible cop-out and I hate seeing it in the tags and seeing people try to police people’s feelings about this. I expect my media to reflect the responsibilities it takes on. In making Defiore quite obviously gay they took on a responsibility, like it or not. Don’t go in the tag and tell people not to be upset - just fucking block people if it bothers you? I can’t stand how people on this website are so remarkably blind to the critiques that should be leveled at the media they consume. This is my favorite show but like hell do I think this was a good decision. And thinking so doesn’t make me disloyal or a bad fan - it just makes me a responsible consumer of media.

Raven, Wick, Intimacy, & Communication in The 100

@chatnoirslady​ has been asking me to talk about Raven/Wick in The 100 for a while now, but I put it off because I hadn’t seen 2x14 since it aired. I rewatched it last night, so here we are. I apologize for it being so long–I have a LOT of feelings about sex education, relationship communication, consent, and safe sexual practices. It comes from a political science background and three years working in a women’s clinic.  If you don’t read this, because it is long, I totally get it. I’m mostly posting this for a few particular people anyway.

For the last six months or so, there’s been a growing and persistent fanon concept circling in The 100 fandom that Wick’s portrayal after his love scene with Raven constitutes him ‘pressuring’ her.  While a few anti-Wick shippers were angry about the love scene from the moment it aired (hey, totally, it’s their notp) it seemed to take a couple months after the season ended for this distorted reading of the 2x14 scene to become ultimately popular within the fandom. Now it’s accepted by many people as a given–despite it having, IMO, no basis in the show canon itself.

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Hiten Encyclopedia: Character Analysis: Yukishiro Tomoe

DISCLAIMER/TRIGGERWARNING: This post will be talking about difficult topics such as depression, grief, death of a spouse, and suicide. These are difficult topics and I do not wish to upset anyone discussing these topics in relation to a fictional character. If you feel like you can handle it, please you are welcomed here. 

Welcome back, everyone! Last week, I posted a character analysis of Kamiya Kaoru and received overwhelming positive feed back from you guys (seriously, RIP inbox). I made these posts as a way to perhaps help quell the fan base since a lot of needless arguing over shipping occurs a lot on RK’s respective tags. Today we will be discussing arguably the most divisive  and misunderstood character in the fan base: Yukishiro Tomoe. Let’s take a look, shall we? (SPOILERS FOR JINCHUU)

                                    Enter Tomoe

Tomoe remains one of the most misunderstood characters in all of Rurouni Kenshin and as a result, she has the most divisive reception.  There are people who hate this character and consider her, and Jinchuu, one of the weakest arcs because of the implications this character has relating to the protagonist. Conversely, she is also the female lead of Tsuioku Hen (sometimes called Trust & Betrayal) which is wildly regarded as one of, if not the best, OVAs of all time, with critics and fans praising the writing, the moral ambiguity, the poignant story, and of course, her role in the protagonist’s life.

The nuance in her characters is actually a result of translation between mediums. By now, if you’re a fan of RK, you’ve seen the OVA Tsuioku Hen and heard the atrocious dubbing. The English dub of those OVAs do alter her character as the actress gives Tomoe a monotonous and boring delivery as well as dialogue changes from the original script. (This is evidenced by Okita calling Saito “Master” even though they are generally regarded as equal in both rank and skill). 

For those of you who don’t know or remember Tomoe’s character, Tomoe is an 18 year old girl who grew up in the height of the Bakumatsu. She comes from a lower class Samurai family, is well educated, introverted, but very strong willed and perhaps most of all, complicated.

She took care of her little brother, Enishi, after the death of their mother and once fell in love and almost married the second son of another low rank samurai: Kiyosato Akira which was tragically ripped apart when he was butchered in the streets while on bodyguard duty for a Shogunate retainer, Shigekura Jubei. Since then, she has carefully plotted revenge and conspired with the Yaminobu clan to stalk and eventually trap Kenshin. This plan goes awry when she finds herself spending time with Kenshin and beginning to love him despite knowing that he is the murderer of her late fiancé.

Her character and role has since opened up a wide range of interpretations due to her blank and seemingly monotonous nature and her ambiguous motivations, begging the questions: Who is the real Tomoe? Who is the beautiful girl that never smiles and smells of white plums?

                        An Introvert’s worst nightmare


Oddly enough, Tomoe presents a character that is very accurate to the real world in terms of her characterization. She is extremely introverted through and through; this term has been mischaracterized by people who just suffering from fear of crowds or extremely shy individuals, but this isn’t necessarily the case. Tomoe has no problems being around people or talking to others, even though she prefers not too. She is however, extremely private, reserved, and mysterious.

Tomoe is a tragic character from before the story even started. She admits on at least one occasion that she has difficulty expressing her emotions outwardly. She has trouble crying, expressing grief, and even expressing emotions like joy and happiness. She prefers spending her time alone as opposed to going to social gatherings but unlike shy people, she can be outgoing and pleasant, such as her serving the various Ishin Patriots in their Inn after Kenshin brought her. 

Her sentences are stark, succinct, and direct, even to the point of asking a question that ripped straight into Kenshin’s heart: “Could you kill me if I were armed?” She wastes no time on smalltalk, dispenses with formalities without necessarily being rude, but she also doesn’t talk about herself, save for her name. She does seem to go out of her way to socialize with people, evidenced by the fact that she not only landed a job and tries to talk to Kenshin and even Katsura.

That being said, she often completes other’s sentences for them and tries to reply in as few words as possible, as if to reach the point of a conversation as quickly as she can.

The big misunderstanding of her character however, is how she deals with grief, guilt, love, and depression, and how she expresses them within her introverted persona. 

Tomoe seems to suffer from what seems like depression. It doesn’t mean she’s sad all the time (although that’s the case when we meet her, for obvious reasons), but she exhibits an inability to express joy but deep down inside, she rides the thin line of intense self-hatred and a displeasure with life, disinterest in daily activities (although less so in the OVA, as she is seen farming and taking an interest in it), and immense guilt. It seems that her depressive state is a volatile cocktail of living a rather harsh life and the grief of losing her fiancé but this isn’t the point of her character. Watsuki didn’t give her all of these things to make her a token character for depression. Tomoe now represents just how little we understand people who are truly suffering, and also carries with her the central theme to the Jinchuu arc.

                        “Maybe I’m unworthy of being happy.”


Tomoe is misunderstood by almost everyone, both in real life as well as the fictional setting her character lives in. These misunderstandings and misperceptions can often carry with them horrible and disastrous consequences and we see those play out in the final year of her life, as well as in online forums and tumblr berating her character or falsely worshipping her as the anti-thesis of Kaoru. 

In the series, Tomoe is misunderstood twice by the men she loved, the first time with Kiyosato. Picture this for a second to help you relate to him. Most of us with a significant other want to feel appreciated and loved. Their happiness is important to us and, if it’s a healthy relationship, vice versa. Needless to say, it is incredibly difficult being in a relationship with an introverted person. Can you imagine what it’s like to date someone who is always unsure of how they’re feeling or worse, unable or unwilling to tell you or show it in any kind of physical gesticulation? Well some of you might already be, but then you know how hard it is to actively be with someone who struggles with their feelings.

It’s even harder to actually BE an introvert in a relationship. She has a hard time smiling or talking about how happy he made her. Imagine never being able to make your loved one feel appreciated even though, on the inside, you are smiling and couldn’t be happier. 

His feelings of inadequacy lead to him joining the Mimawarigumi and eventually dying because they both knew he was a pretty shit swordsman. This tragic outcome could’ve been entirely avoided if she had simply been what most people would call “normal”, and she smiled and told him how she felt. Nonetheless, she is not “normal” but she couldn’t help it. That guilt is freaking earth shattering, knowing that because of the way you are, the way you’ve always been, you caused the murder of the person who made you happiest.

The real tragedy is if you count the Live Action films as canon, she broke down crying before her fiancé’s body, holding him and hoping that whatever god or gods looked over the world were playing a sick joke. She held him even after his body was hauled off on a straw stretcher; she continued clutching his hand fruitlessly, knowing that once that corner is turned, you’ll never see him again. She did all this without ever telling him how she felt. Even in death, her probably never knew how much she loved him. She did what he needed only after he was dead: expressed herself.

This unease and severe sadness would eventually become instrumental in the following (and final) year of her life.

               Redemption: Parallels between Tomoe and Kenshin

In RuroKen, revenge is definitely a predominate theme, especially in the final arc (called Jinchu, meaning “Earthly Justice”) in which Tomoe appeared in. Characters from Kenshin’s past come to haunt him and thrust in into living hell, raining vengeance upon him and his friends and even in some cases, just people he casually interacted with.

We’ve all heard revenge stories before. They’re not new by any stretch of the imagination, but Rurouni Kenshin adopted the theme and then used it in a unique way: as a deconstruction of the motif, it’s motivation, and it’s consequences. When we get to the motivation part, we begin to see something not only relatable, but truly tragic: the subtext underpinning the final arc are Apology (or Sorrow) and Atonement. 

 In this way, Tomoe, her little brother Enishi, and Kenshin all have startling parallels despite having completely opposite motivations: they all seek atonement for past crimes. Their motivation was guilt. We’ll get to Kenshin and Enishi’s motivations in their respective posts. 

Tomoe’s story begins much like the Rurouni’s. Both:

1) Lost the one they love due to “mistakes” and face responsibility for their deaths.

2) Losing the ones they love became the primary motivation for changes in their characters (Tomoe desiring revenge; Kenshin vowing to never kill).

3) Both become so consumed with guilt that they reform their lives into an apology.

Tomoe’s entire life after Kiyosato’s death has been an enormous apology to the man who was brutally cut down in Kyoto due to her simply being who she was. The guilt threatened to turned into a form of self loathing which probably instigated more guilt because she was now hating the very person he died for. The only clear answer to Tomoe as she mourned her late fiancé was to commit murder, to exact vengeance on the man who stole her happiness. Sound familiar? This is because this is exactly Enishi’s motivation for selling the Rengoku to Shishio and the primary reason he begins to systematically hunt and isolate Kenshin. It was all to absolve themselves from guilt: Tomoe’s guilt for Kiyosato’s death. and Enishi and Kenshin’s for Tomoe’s.

The answer became murky once she began to know Kenshin as a person and realized that he was only doing what he thought was right. He did not enjoy it, nor did he do it for some misguided chance for glory or love for battle. He did it because he honestly believes that the people he kills are necessary sacrifices for the new world where everyone can live happily.

Does that absolve her blame for him? Not at first, but her blame subsides when she seems him playing with children, selling medicine to villagers, and living life as a gentle farmer. It was then she realized she began feeling them same happiness she did with Kiyosato, at the same time, guilt began to resurface for any number of reasons. The two primary ones being: 

1) She was falling in love with the man who murdered her past lover.

2) She is torn between her love for him and her redemption which was to infiltrate his psyche and relay the profile she constructs to the Yaminobu to kill him efficiently with minimal risk.

She probably figured having him killed by Shogunate spies and assassins would be honorable as Kenshin would be killed by an affiliate of her late fiancé. Along the way, though, she changed. This is also where I’m going to upset a lot of people who doubt Tomoe loved Kenshin.

Contrary to her introverted nature, she decided to open up to Kenshin about her guilt and for the first time, this monster (as she saw him), this vicious murderer, did something she probably thought no one would do: he listened. He listened and didn’t dismiss her feelings as childish or stupid. She probably never opened up to anyone and relegated all of her thoughts, inner turmoil, and feelings into that diary. But this man listened and vowed that he would put down his sword, find a way to continue without having to kill, and most importantly, protect her happiness as Kiyosato attempted to do, all as she cried long held back tears in his arms. In the animation, this lead into a very visually appealing pseudo-sex scene so if your head canon was that that happened (since we never see after she opened up), be my guest. 

At that moment, she realized that she *could* spend the rest of her life with this man. Her desire for revenge was a primarily selfish one. She wanted to kill him so she could absolve herself of her guilt and project all of the hatred that she would have internalized onto Kenshin, whom she could demonize while cleansing herself of feelings of responsibility for Kiyosato’s death. This is what lead to her true attempt at redemption, this is the moment where Tomoe stopped being an instrument of murder and decided to save his life.

                             Sacrifices and Atonement

Let’s talk about the goodbye scene that I feel a lot of people simply gloss over, making them wonder if Tomoe loved Kenshin (some speculated she didn’t). She internally monologues about Kenshin giving her a new happiness and then vows to protect “the second man she has ever loved”. 

Let’s also go over an all too under examined theme of sleep! In the earlier chapters of Tsuioku and in the animation, Kenshin wakes up in a violent frenzy, unsheathing his sword read to slash at Tomoe’s throat for even getting near him, signifying his mistrust of human beings in general. To fight this war, he was losing his humanity and had to be constantly on alert, ready to kill in a moments notice. Even a peaceful sleep was a luxury an assassin could not afford.

The final time they see each other, Kenshin is asleep presumably having slept right next to her. She had gotten up, gotten dressed, did her hair, moved about, opened the door, and then walked out. Kenshin didn’t notice any of this, despite the fact that earlier, she merely got close to him and he woke up. He became as comfortable around her as she was of him. She was his first love, the woman who showed him the happiness he was trying to protect in the first place. If he couldn’t protect anyone’s happiness but managed to protect hers, he would’ve lived a successful life. 

Tomoe, unbeknownst to her, became the same exact thing to Kenshin that Kiyosato was to her. It was time for Tomoe to leave and try to save his life and prevent a seed planted a year ago turning into a bloody flower. She lied to the Yaminobu but then they revealed their ultimate betrayal, reintroducing new guilt and shattering the small measure of inner peace she had: she was never meant to find the weakness, she was meant to CREATE it, and she had. She realized now that she played and practically gift wrapped Kenshin to these bastards and that she is now indirectly responsible for the death of another man she loves. She knew Kenshin would have little chance of survival; his skills have weakened and the Hitokiri in him was on his last legs. 

As a battered and bloody Kenshin limped toward the snowy temple and faced his adversary, the leader of the Yaminobu, he almost lost his life. He felt the need to throw away his life to protect Tomoe because he knew the awful truth. Once they were done with her, they would probably kill her. What evidence do I have to support this? Simple: They are hitokiri. I'izuka was an informant against Choshu and Tomoe knew of the existence of a hitokiri clan that NEEDED to operate in the shadows and nip Choshu before it gained any more traction and the main obstacle to that was Kenshin. 

Knowing that Tomoe had fallen for Kenshin, they would most likely kill her to prevent her from leaking any information. That’s right, Tomoe was dead from the beginning. The moment she tried to exact revenge, much like Enishi, was also the moment her fate was sealed. This is why Kenshin was looking for her and ready to give his life if it meant he could save hers. (The animation changed this dynamic by having Kenshin read her diary before saving her, therefore making his final move a suicide attempt in a misguided form of apology). If Kenshin could kill their leader, even if he died in the process, Tomoe would have a shot at living since they are presumably the only ones who knew of Tomoe’s operation against Battousai as a form of compartmentalization and if Tomoe leaked to Choshu what happened, they might capture I'izuka before he escapes.

Tomoe, however, realized that she couldn’t let Kenshin die here. He was the champion of happiness but she saw the blazing fury of a Hitokiri inside him. She realized maybe he would change after the war was done and bet her life on it. She got in the way and… 

Tomoe gave her life for Kenshin so he could live, but in the process also taught him the value of life. She gave him a reason NOT to kill by showing him the immense grief and pain of losing a loved one. She died tragically in his arms and for once, genuinely smiled up at him as she tried to sooth him in her final moments, telling him that it’s okay. It was okay to her because she did it. She atoned for her crime of letting Kiyosato die. She got to do something that showed Kenshin how she felt and prevented the death of a man she loved with her ultimate sacrifice. Bonus points: she also achieved her justice for Kiyosato by devastating Kenshin but also “killing” the hitokiri in him. Kenshin stopped being an assassin as a result of her death and came forward with his skills as the main line of defense against the Shinsengumi. The final year of her life became an apology and she lived with heavy scars on her heart. 


She passed on this way of living to Kenshin. The scars she bore on her heart he now wears on his face for the world to see. The scars became a living memory of the love between Kiyosato and Tomoe, as well as the symbol of the sacrifice she made for Kenshin. It’s the symbol of his change from a murderer into someone who saves people, someone who protects happiness with a sword worthy of Tomoe, a sword that doesn’t rip apart families, a sword that can protect others without killing. The Sakabatou became the answer, it became his salvation and perhaps most romantically, it became the ultimate apology to Tomoe and all of the people he killed. This is why Tomoe smiles at him when he closes his eyes. She loved him just as deeply as Kaoru does and just like Kaoru would if she ever had too, Tomoe gave her life for him. Tomoe, just as much as Kaoru, is one of the central themes of Rurouni Kenshin and both go hand in hand to create the Romantic Tales of the Meiji Era and both have been the greatest teachers Kenshin has ever had. 


HunHan vs XiuHan - Which is real? (Law v Law)

Quick Note: If either XiuHan or HunHan seriously offends you, may I suggest you not read this post? Cheers.

Also, an anon asked how we actually do Law vs Law debates. Basically, how it goes down, is I, along with a selected group of Law Students, sit in a room and talk for an hour or so. Everything we say gets recorded on my phone, and after the debate’s over, we take down everything that was said and make it into a post.

Proposition: HunHan is real ( James and Thomas @hunhan-never-dies
Opposition: XiuHan is real ( Peter @bacon-in-my-yeol )

Thomas: (ノꐦ ⊙曲ఠ)ノ彡┻━┻ Alright people, LET’S TALK BUSINESS.

James: Thomas, for the sake of civil argument, every time you swear, I’m going to give you a three-point timeout.

Thomas: WHA– that’s not fair ˚‧º·(˚ ˃̣̣̥᷄⌓˂̣̣̥᷅ )‧º·˚

Peter: Naw, he’s so cute.

James: No, he’s really not. 

*Awkward Silence*

James: Well anyway…

Thomas: Yo, can we talk about jealous Sehun for a minute? Needless to say, he’s THE MVP when it comes to stubborn, and he’s never exactly reserved about his possessiveness over LuHan, you know. ;)

Peter: Why are you always under the impression jealousy is a good thing? Yes, it’s a portrayal of affection, to some extent, however, it’s also one of mistrust. The fact that Sehun is always so jealous of Luhan’s relationship with Xiumin (or anyone for that matter) is a visual implication that he does not trust Luhan to be around other people. 

If we can just talk about XiuHan for a minute…

Whilst both Xiumin and Luhan appear to get jealous over one-another, they never express it towards each other. This is because they have a mutual respect for one another. Sehun, on the other hand, has made it clear to Luhan on multiple occasions that he dislikes him talking to other people, or showing any visual signs of affection towards anyone other than him. Not only is this childish and disrespectful, but it’s what I like to call the foundations of an unstable relationship.

The fact that Xiumin tries so hard to conceal his own jealousy, instead of outwardly displaying it in a way he knows will upset Luhan, he keeps to himself (unlike someone we know *eyes Sehun*)

Relationships are built off of mutual trust, something that HunHan just doesn’t have. XiuHan, on the other hand, have always seen eye-to-eye.

James: *Chuckles*.

Peter: What? >.>

James: Oh, nothing…

Peter: *Eyeroll*

^^ Sehun ignoring Luhan, inevitably making Luhan upset in the long-run.

If we compare Sehun’s reaction to Xiumin’s, which do you think is the “correct” way to respond? Obviously Xiumin cares more about Luhan, enough to conceal his own emotions for the sake of it…

James: Peter, I think you’re misinterpreting Sehun’s behaviour towards Luhan. Correct me if I’m wrong, but, Sehun is furthermore possessive than jealous, right? There’s a huge difference between being jealous, and being possessive.

As far as I’ve seen, Sehun’s possessive nature towards Luhan is developed over the notion that he does not WANT to share Luhan with anyone else.

I highly doubt that Sehun mistrusts Luhan in any way. The fact that Sehun is always so bitter about Luhan interacting in a friendly manner towards others is because he wishes he could be the centre of Luhan’s attention 24/7, purely because he cares deeply about him. It has NOTHING to do with mistrust.

At most, it’s a sign of deep and unalterable love and affection.

If you haven’t noticed already, Sehun has a tendency to ALWAYS look at Luhan. 

The fact that Sehun always gives his undivided and unconditional attention to Luhan is its own display of affection in itself. Is it really so much for Sehun to be upset when he doesn’t receive the same treatment?


Peter: Go for it.

Thomas: Peter, if I told you that I was going out with James, would that upset you?

Peter: Um…no I guess not…?

Thomas: Becauuuse, you only see me as a platonic friend, right?

Peter: Yeah.

Thomas: Whereas, James, if I told you I was dating Peter, would that upset you?

James: For real man, what are you getting at? *Confuzzled*

Thomas: I’m saying people who have a romantic attraction to someone will almost instinctively show signs of bitterness towards any given situation where their significant other is showing affection to someone else.

If Xiumin truly had a romantic attraction towards LuHan, I personally believe that he would NOT be able to repress these emotions.

However, when I look at Sehun, I feel as though he does try to conceal his dismay whenever someone gets a little too friendly with LuHan for his liking. But the thing is, these types of emotions are extremely, and I mean EXTREMELY, difficult to conceal.

^^ Sehun when seeing LuHan being cute with Jongin

So, and this is probably going to get me killed, but I will go as far as to say, Xiumin has no romantic affections towards LuHan whatsoever, and it’s a purely platonic relationship.

Peter: …Wow. I don’t like you anymore.

James: *Chuckles*.

Peter: (ಠ ∩ಠ) Could you justify yourself a little more, please?

Thomas: With pleasure ;D

I personally believe that Luhan and Xiumin ARE closer. After all, it would only make plausible sense, considering they’re around the same age.

HOWEVER, when I look at the way Luhan and Xiumin behave around one another, I only see a platonic friendship.

If we analyse the way Sehun and Luhan behave towards each other, it’s a little more awkward, less relaxed. This actually supports the HunHan ship to a greater extent than you’d believe.

You see, statistics have proven that an average person will be more comfortable talking about emotional and personal subjects amongst a group of friends, rather than their love interest. The fact that Luhan seems so relaxed around Xiumin is actually a disadvantage to the romantic aspect of the relationship.

Peter: That sounds kind of…stupid to be honest.

James: Woah, calm down. *Laughs*.

Peter: No, but really. You’re implying that XiuHan isn’t real…because they’re closer. That makes zero sense to me, but okay.

I’d also like to point out that the two of you have subconsciously avoided talking about Luhan…maybe it’s because the both of you know that Luhan’s romantic feelings towards Xiumin in comparison to Sehun are much, MUCH clearer.

James: Actually I wasn’t avoiding it, I was going to talk about it later, but you know, what ever makes you happy.

*Awkward silence*

Peter: …Well, as I was saying, Luhan shows clear indications of having much stronger romantic attractions towards Xiumin than he does Sehun, and I think the two of you know that.

If we’re talking proxemics (something the two of you are kind of obsessed with, apparently) Luhan tends to stay closer to Xiumin than many of the other members, if not all of them.

Whereas, when it comes to Sehun, I believe it’s fairly one-sided. Luhan shows far less interest in Sehun in general.

He clings to Xiumin like a lifeline, and the affection he displays towards him is so visually clear that I don’t see how you two could possibly believe his romantic loyalties lie with Sehun.

^^ When I see the two of them together, I don’t see friendship, I see love. They look at each other with eyes of pure adoration that you wouldn’t ever see in a platonic relationship.

^^ I also think this set of gifs defines my point perfectly. To the right, there’s Sehun holding onto Luhan’s hand for dear life, whilst looking a little pissed off, and then there’s Xiumin on the left who coyly gets his hand pulled over my Luhan. Despite that Luhan has the attention of Sehun, he still needs to be near Xiumin and can’t help but hold onto him, because Xiumin is more important to him.

James: You’re suffering from what I like to call the Dom!Complex. 

Thomas: You poor soul.

Peter: …What?

James: The only reason you’re current state of mind sees Luhan as “less interested” in Sehun is because you think Luhan is a Dom.

Thomas: Ewwwwww.

Peter: When paired with Xiumin, yes, I think he’s Dom.

Thomas: Okay, the thing is…

When it comes to MOST ships, the Dominant is generally seen as the one who inputs the most interest in their partner, whilst the submissive kind of just blushes and does really cute fluffy stuff.

THIS is why HunHan shippers (not all of them, but the majority) find Dom!LuHan fairly odd.

Defining LuHan as a person, one of the first words that pop into my head is ‘awkward’. I’ve always seen him as a bit of a social n00b. To this day, he always seems to embarrass himself in one way or another. And generally speaking, he’s quite a reserved character.

This, again, backs up my theory of LuHan and Xiumin being nothing more than close friends. Because, as I’ve stated previously, friends tend to be more comfortable around each other than around their significant other/crush/whatever.

The fact that Luhan can be so open with Xiumin, despite how reserved he is around everyone else, shows that he is not self-conscious when around him.

But, looking at things realistically from a real life perspective, people tend to ALWAYS be self-conscious when around their significant other. THIS is why I believe HunHan to be more realistic than XiuHan.

Peter: You keep going on about the whole, ‘They’re not together because they’re closer’ argument, when in reality, isn’t a romantic relationship BASED off of the foundations of a friendship? You can’t expect to have a stable relationship with someone if you’re not exceedingly close to them.

You’ve established the fact that Xiumin and Luhan are obviously closer than Sehun and Luhan, which is great, however, your delusions have lead you to believe that, despite the clarity that their care for one another is greater than Luhan’s care for Sehun, Hunhan is more realistic, and it makes no logical sense, because “closeness” is what DEFINES a relationship. If we forget about platonic and non-platonic connotations for just a second, who would Luhan be happier spending the rest of his life with, realistically speaking?

Now, as much as I’d love to continue this conversation, I actually have to get to a lecture in ten minutes.


James: There’s always next week :P

Peter: Hey, thanks for talking with me you guys <3

—C’est fini.—


At the end of the day, everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. HunHan, XiuHan, or whatever, we’re all EXO-Ls, so please respect each other.

Thomas: I don’t think Pete likes me that much. He called me cute though.

James: *Eyeroll* Yeah whatever.

Thomas: What, do you not think I’m cute? (;-_-)/

James: This conversation just got really weird, let’s stop.

I’ve been getting some messages in my askbox that ask me about this interview with Kishimoto about NaruHina/SasuSaku and NaruSaku/SasuKarin and how this relates to LeeTen. Naturally, being a fan who tottaly has his ear firmly planted squarley on the ground when it comes to Naruto, I had no idea what these people were talking about. Then I came across this on Tumblr.


Apparently, according to this interview, Kishimoto originally planned to make NaruSaku and SasuKarin canon before he changed the ending. That part most fans knew by now, however, the interview also stated that one of the reasons for this change was due to the fan popularity of NaruHina and SasuSaku. Naturally some LeeTen shippers have been worrying that this may be a sign that Kishimoto actually made Tenten single and in constant sorrow over Neji’s death rather than have her be happy with Lee and Lee Junior. I was curious about if those implications are actually the case, but then I realized a lot of other factors that put this Kishimoto only cares about popularity when it comes to romance.

Now I can’t argue that popularity didn’t play a role when it came to NaruHina and SasuSaku, especially with this interview and all. But other interviews that Kishimoto state that he didn’t want Sakura to seem like a bad woman for switching to NaruSaku.


He also stated that he wanted Hinata to have her happy ending so that also contributed to that as well.So we can’t say that popularity was the only factor in deciding the end pairings.

Also, when you think about it, if popularity was a factor in all the ships, why weren’t all the end pairings the most popular ones. As far as my knowledge goes, ChoIno was a bit more popular than SaiIno and especially ChoKarui yet that didn’t stop SaiIno and ChoKarui from becoming canon. Heck when you look at the popularity polls in Japan alone, one of the most popular pairings was KakaIruka and that didn’t get any sort of lip service in the entirety of the manga. Honestly, when it comes to the side ships, I think part of reason a lot of them were chosen to be canon was in order to make the Next Generation children for the sequel manga, and that does include LeeTen. Plus if you consider what the most popular Neji pairing worldwide is, it isn’t NejiTen, it’s NejiHina. But a lot of you are saying “But NejiHina conflicts with NaruHina. How would that work?” Precisely, that’s the point. For those of you who are confused, let me first show you this post.


It’s a post that translates an excerpt of an interview from Konoha TV, the distributers of the anime TV show and movies. In this interview, the people from Konoha TV state that they thought that Kishimoto was for SasuSaku, LeeSaku, and NaruHina. However, according to the represenatives from Konoha TV, Kishomot (at that moment) was actually for NaruSaku, LeeTen, and NejiHina. Now this interview was conducted sometime during production/release of the movie: Road To Ninja, which was sometime before chapter 600 was published if I’m not mistaken. 

Now, some of you may still be confused, but do you remember when Kishimoto was asked why Neji had to die? He said that part of the reason that Neji died was in order to bring Naruto and Hinata together. I always questioned that. I thought to myself, “If that’s the case, why did it take a movie, taking place years after Neji’s death, for Naruto and Hinata to hook up?” Then with all of these interviews now putting focus on the scenario, it dawned on me.

Neji didn’t die so Naruto and Hinata can become a couple on the spot. Neji died so there would be no conflict of interest for Hinata when she and Naruto decided to become a couple.

Think about it. Konoha TV said that Kishi liked NejiHina, and throughout Shippuden (both manga and anime) Neji and Hinata were always worrying over each other and their relationship grew stronger, especially during the 4 Shinobi World War Arc. It became so strong that she (along with Lee) was one of the only characters who broke down and cried when Neji died. Seriously, re-read chapter 614-615 and pay attention to what Hinata was doing. Also in Road To Ninja, which Kishimoto helped write by the way, the Neji in that universe was acting like a pervert towards Hinata mainly. Plus I think Neji’s catchphrase in the spinoff manga and anime was “HINATA-SAMA!!!”

Perhaps when NaruSaku and SasuKarin were planned to be endgame, Kishimoto may have also planned on NejiHina to be canon as well and NejiTen may have never been a possibility on Kishimoto’s mind. Then when he decided to make it NaruHina and SasuSaku, he decided to kill NejiHina’s chances of being canon by killing Neji off right there on the spot. And before you say that this would leave NejiTen as the only option to be canon, if that was the case, then why did Kishimoto kill off Neji instead of letting him live so he can marry Tenten?

So LeeTen fans, don’t think to much about this latest interview, I’m more than sure that it doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme of things. And to the NaruSaku and SasuKarin fans who are upset over this latest interview, I think I speak for the majority of Naruto fans, even most of the NaruHina and SasuSaku shippers as well, when I extend my condolences over how your ship was sunk partially due to a popularity contest amongst the fandom. That must really be upsetting for some of you and I just want you all to know that I completely sympathize with you all.

That’s all I have to say, so I hope you enjoyed reading what I had to say, and I hope you have a great day.

4 messages anon

May I first of all suggest that you direct your complaints about hateful posts to the people whose posts your are upset about. To the best of my knowledge and intent I do not do any of the things you mention myself and I have indeed spoken out against them several times.

I don’t send hate to either Darren or Chris or their fans, nor do I encourage others to do so. As far as I remember I have mentioned Mia twice on this blog, once to defend her against posts that criticised her outfit and once against Darren himself when he, uncharacteristically, acted like a common caveman in defending her honour after Satangate. I hated that tweet for reasons completely unconnected to shipping and I don’t care who knows it.

And I did that despite the fact that I admittedly don’t like Mia as a person (to the extent that that is even possible when judging someone from their social media only) and that, yes, I am yet to be convinced that she is in fact his girlfriend. Because I don’t have to like someone to know that some of the shit they have to put up with is just not acceptable. And I don’t need to be policed externally to adhere to basic values of human decency.

So I am somewhat at a loss how I am contributing to the “atmosphere of hate” that you mention. On which, btw, my side of the fandom has by no means a monopoly. But do you know what else I haven’t done and would never do?

1. I would not speak ill of people on my blog and call them offensive names just because they ship Darren with Mia.

2. I would not block anyone from following me just because their bio says “not CrissColfer friendly”.

3. I would not send anon messages to anyone who thinks differently from me and criticise them them for what they ship or telling them to stop blogging about it.

In fact, I follow a few Miarren shippers, who are equally content to live and let live, quite happily because I am an adult and they blog about other stuff I am interested in and the odd picture of Darren and Mia on my dash is not going to give me heart failure and I know that THE WORLD IS NOT DIVIDED INTO GOOD PEOPLE AND DEATHEATERS!!!

But I am not my fandom’s keeper. And my mere “membership” of said fandom and who I talk to or what I talk about with my fandom friends is nobody’s business but my own.

Darren’s sexuality, on the other hand - or more precisely the political implications for the LGBT+ community (of which I am a member) of his sometimes blatant and offensive no-homoing - is something that I will continue to talk about whenever he gives me a reason to. And sadly, there continue to be periods when he and/or his team give me a lot of reasons to.

Make no mistake, I like the guy. A lot. I am his fan. I think he is insanely talented. I worry about him more than I should sometimes. If I am right and he is somewhere on the queer spectrum, he is possibly in a truly shitty situation and I can completely understand why he’s not out. As long as he doesn’t hurt anyone, as long as he doesn’t just come across as yet another straight hipster douchebag who uses the queer community to advance his career, as long as he is mindful of his position and doesn’t act like a shitty ally, he can be, or play at being, straight all he wants as far as I am concerned.

But here’s the thing:

If Darren is in fact straight, me saying on tumblr that he maybe isn’t shouldn’t hurt him at all unless anybody still thinks that being queer is somehow shameful. But with all the privilege that truly straight actors in Hollywood still enjoy, being suspected of being queer shouldn’t even be on their horizon as a concern. And if it is, that’s not because of queers like me but because of the millions of bigots out there that will not support a queer actor. Imagine if PR agencies had to go to the same length to conceal that their client is actually straight. Now, that would be something to get upset about.

So until we live in a world where being called queer is no longer seen as commercially damaging, I don’t think a Darren that is actually straight - particularly while he’s getting paid for playing queer roles - is first in line for deserving my sympathy or foremost consideration for the damage, commercial or otherwise, he may suffer for being thought of as queer. Take a number, mate, and get in the queue!

But as long as we’re talking about the morality of all of this, how would me being silent on his sexuality help another Darren who is in fact queer? Yes, it might make his life a little easier while he’s in the closet. It might make it easier for him to develop the cognitive dissonance that is necessary to live the kind of life where you are every teenage girl’s wet dream in public, but possibly have a boyfriend (or several) in private. It may make it easier to justify lying on a daily basis, to yourself and to others, easier to see all this as just one more bit of acting, one more role to play, one more page in the storybook that is his pretend life. It may make the day-to-day of this one actor, who has already been lucky enough to make it to a certain level of fame, easier for a while.

But what about all the others? What about the ones like Chris Colfer, who can’t “play straight” and can’t hide their true self behind that sort of facade? What about the younger ones, who no longer want to do that? How is Hollywood ever going to learn that their actors’ sexuality doesn’t matter, unless fans make it clear that not only do they not care but that they can see through the charades and all the little PR games and that they aren’t fooled? Who are we selling out to this fucked up industry by NOT talking about people’s sexuality and representation and why it matters?

And how does this help a queer Darren in the long run? How does the atmosphere of silence that we would create help him to decide if and when to finally come out? How could he know whether or not he would have any fans left if he were no longer theoretically sexually available to what his team perceives as his target demographic? How could he argue with producers, networks, agents and managers, who want to keep people like him in the closet to protect their own bottom line, that he should be able to come out, if he doesn’t know, or can’t prove, that there are people out there, who are rooting for him to do just that and who would continue to support him and still buy tickets to see him do his thing even if he was a big fat queer?

And how easy, do you think, would it actually be for a queer Darren to keep up this kind of schizophrenic life over a long period without causing severe emotional and psychological damage to himself? What exactly are we supporting/enabling/facilitating by not talking about it?

THAT is why I discuss the sexuality of actors on public forums. And that’s why I highlight all the little tools that PR agencies use to create a potentially false image of their charges and to mislead fans over aspects of their life. Because that is what is at stake here. Not just the emotional well-being of one actor of ambiguous sexuality and his maybe/maybe not girlfriend. But the emotional well-being of queer people everywhere, inside and outside the entertainment industry. That’s why it is important not to suppress these discussions but (within the realm of the abovementioned basic values of human decency) to allow them to flourish. Until the day when sexuality finally truly doesn’t matter anymore. But with everything that is going on right now, I’d say that day is a long way hence yet.

So don’t just think about the damage I may be causing by speaking my mind. Think also about the damage you may be causing by telling me to shut up. And that is truly all I have to say on the matter, so can we please end this here?

[And btw the reason why I am “blasting this to everyone” instead of only you is that you are sending me these messages anonymously and there is no way for me to respond privately. If you don’t want me to post responses to your messages in this way, I suggest that you either come off anon or stop sending them].

anonymous asked:

Puni, you're great and you seem really great at writing things out regarding abusive/unhealthy ships and bad characters, so if you ever have the time and feel like doing so, I think it would be really awesome if you could make a post to the SU fandom about that sort of thing, because so much of certain tags are currently just "if you ship [x] you're condoning abusive relationships and are trash/should die/etc." and it's just. Very distressing but I'm too afraid to speak up.

Aww jeez, that’s very kind of you to say, anon ;o;! To be honest I’m not feeling super confident in my ability to coherently put my thoughts into words, but I’m really saddened to hear that you feel afraid to speak up (though I really understand why you would), and this is a topic that has been bothering me for a while.
I’m gonna talk about it more generally, if that’s okay, since this sadly isn’t exclusive to the SU fandom. 
(#long post ahead, and there will be talk about #abuse and other such things, so proceed with caution!)

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anonymous asked:

Honestly, I think people need to let it go. As someone who doesn't ship, all this ruckus every week because of a pairing being canon is really silly. Obviously people should criticize the manga for what it is but holding onto to silly tiny things to complain about a romance is really counterproductive . By doing that people are just hurting themselves over and over. Not saying anyone has to like it but I really think people go over the top with this.

I think you and I are very like-minded with regard to ships, anon. When I see a canonical ship, my reaction falls between, “That’s nice. Good for them. Moving on now..” to “Hooray! I love it. Moving on now…”. Becoming an activist about a ship of any kind in any franchise is a foolish waste of time in my opinion.

To be fair, I toot the horn a little bit about a few ships like Korrasami because of the social implications of the ship: a kids show portraying a romantic relationship between two bisexual women of color without fetishizing them.

“Hooray for social progress!” Not “hooray for Korra & Asami! Everyone needs to hear about it and validate my opinion that they’re a great fit for each other!”

Originally posted by thesearchingastronaut

Seriously, I’m super stoked we have a mainstream pop-culure bisexual PoC ship in the world that doesn’t fetishize the concept of bisexuality, homosexuality, or women of color itself. WOOT! I have no beef with people who are grossed out by Korrasami. I’m just glad the ship exists.

But I digress…

For better or worse, we share Tumblr with people who take ships very, very seriously. They argue a lot. They spam ship apathetic fans like us with their flame wars. They make us miserable. They make us (and I do mean “us” because I myself have done this in the past) post comments and submit anon asks begging people to shut up about [insert shipper flame war here.] It goes without saying that shippers are making each other miserable. The shippers are here to stay. We need to find a way for them to indulge in their ships without driving each other and everyone else in the fandom crazy.

That being said, I want to point out that I made my two “we have to do better” posts in response to someone complaining about people posting hate messages about an individual character in that character’s tag. Not a ship, but an individual character. I’m not going to dignify the comments as being criticism. The post involve Sinbad “critics” in the Magi fandom posting statements like “Sinbad is worse than Hitler,” and “I hate Sinbad so much! I hope Aladdin kicks his ass!” and “I wish Sinbad stayed dead [because] I hate him! He’s so evil.” They don’t elaborate or present an argument or rationale of any kind. Something in the manga happened, they got upset, and they want everyone to know “Sinbad is worse than Hitler.” Full stop. No discussion. If you call them out or ask them why they think Sinbad is worse than Hitler in an honest attempt to have a civil conversation they say “fuck you! I don’t have to justify myself,” or “You’re not entitled to my opinion!”

That last one was a real response I got from someone reblogged one of my Magi theory posts saying “This is LITERALLY the stupidest shit I’ve ever read,” full stop. I reached out to them asking why they thought it was a stupid idea, using polite language and making it clear that I valued their opinion and wanted to know more about what they felt were weaknesses in my posts argument. Their response was literally “I’m not going to respond to this because you’re not entitled to my opinions.”

Short, negative statements like that are what I call character hate. It doesn’t belong in the #sinbad tag. The the #sinbad character tag is for people who want to find Sinbad related fan art, imagines, headcanons and engage in debates with Sinbad critics who think “Sinbad is worse than Hitler because [insert assertions that serve as the basis for your opinion here.]

Posting “Sinbad is worse than Hitler” in the #sinbad tag is the equivalent of posting a picture of dog poop in the #sinbad tag. It makes clear statement that you don’t like Sinbad, but duh, lots of people don’t like Sinbad for a wide variety of reasons. A Sinbad fan can’t argue with a picture of dog poop. The person who posted the picture of dog poop and tagged it #sinbad isn’t interested in talking about Sinbad. It just makes Sinbad fans feel bad and provides one-sided catharsis for the person who posted the picture of dog poop.

The current system gives the person posting a dog poop picture in the #sinbad tag provides no disincentive for the person posting the picture. They see Sinbad fans getting upset and feel validated. So dog poop all day every day forever in the #sinbad tag. Hooray!

Complaining about ships is counterproductive. People are hurting themselves and other fans who don’t care about ships. They are going over the top. I don’t think that’s what serious shippers or critics of specific characters want. That’s why I’m suggesting that they use a neutral tag like #SinbadDebate or #AliMorDebate. It’s something people aren’t going to look up unless they’re looking for a place to vent or feel like investing energy in a flame war.

The troublemakers aren’t going away. they have every right to express their opinions, even if the way they express them is self-harmful and self-defeating. Such is the human condition.

I think our only hope is redirecting them to a different tag so people who just wanna see some fluffy AliMor fan art or silly Sinbad memes or a Luffy fan comic can do so in peace.

anonymous asked:

What do you think Katie's new interview? She said she ignore all olicity fans. She is so disrespectful.

Sigh…yeah I was waiting for this. Before the interview really hits the waves here and my inbox is flooded with KC asks, I’m gonna head this off at the pass.  Here’s the interview for those who are curious. 

This what has some fans upset…

Last thing: How do you deal with the fans? The shipping community on this show has gotten so crazy that we now have Jimmy Kimmel having said “Olicity” on the air. Do you just kind of black all that out and work?

[Laughs] Um…yes! Because I think the worst thing that you can do as an actor is to get caught up in the bulls—t. And I’m sorry for saying that word, but I ignore…you can’t compare yourself to other people, you can’t get caught up in all the drama. The best way that I’ve been able to deal with it is to just ignore all of it. I’m here to do a job and I’m passionate about it and I love it and I want to make the fans happy but I don’t need to be hearing or reading or seeing negative things because that’s not going to help me or my character in any way.

First things first…that question was HORRIBLE. The way it was phrased, the connotations associated with it. Just awful up one side and down the other. What is UP with comicbook.com??? They write some of the most inflammatory articles & interviews regarding Arrow. It actually boggles my mind. How is this site even viewed as a respectable online publication? My seven year old can write better articles and can articulate questions in a more succinct & respectful manner.

How do you deal with the fans? What? Like we’re all nut jobs? Listen up…it’s the FANS that generate the ratings that keep this show humming. I think we’re rather pleasant. The Arrow cast and writers have been nothing but glowing in regards to how much they enjoy interacting with us so I personally feel that question came out of left field.

Shipping Community is so crazy that Jimmy Kimmel is saying “Olicity” on the air. Yes, there is a small but enthusiastic group of people on the internet that have an intense passion for Olicity. Yours truly is one of them. But the “shipping community” isn’t limited to just internet folk (although I think we’re pretty damn fabulous). My husband, best friend and parents are all Olicity shippers. I wouldn’t say they are part of the “shipping community.” I would say they are FANS OF ARROW.  The majority of Arrow fans enjoy Olicity. It’s one of the most popular aspects of the show. That’s why it was mentioned on Jimmy Kimmel. His team did their research and discussed the elements on Arrow that garner the most interest. Quite frankly Olicity is a phenomenon and is something I would expect a quality interviewer like Jimmy Kimmel to comment on. This interviewer is acting like Jimmy Kimmel uttered Voldemort’s name or something on national television. Olicity isn’t a profanity. Calm down. I am so eternally tired of being written off as a kook because I happen to want Oliver & Felicity together. We aren’t saying that the world is flat here people. It’s not a completely INSANE idea. In fact it’s a pretty damn good one. The shipping community didn’t come up with Olicity - the writers did. They saw it was working and ran with it. End of story. This is not insanity run a muck. This is good storytelling that the Arrow fan base has embraced. This does not make us crazy. This makes us happy, enthusiastic, SANE fans who recognize a quality storyline.


Olicity is popular with the majority of the fan base. GET OVER IT.

And finally, and most important, the question had an underlying tone that we “crazy shipping community members” of the Olicity fandom need to be “dealt with” in regards to KC. The implication being that if you are an Olicity shipper…you don’t like KC OR Laurel Lance. 

Speaking as a Laurel Lance fan - I find that implication outstandingly offensive. No, not all Olicity fans hate Laurel Lance. Not all Olicity fans hate KC. Not all fans that don’t like Laurel Lance or don’t like KC send hate. So let’s avoid broad generalizations of any group of any kind. Okay? 

It was a bad question, but unfortunately Katie rose to the bait in my mind. 

Calling shipping bullshit. Yeah…let’s work on the phrasing Katie okay? Shipping is not bullshit. Shipping is fans engaging in the show and enjoying the show. That’s what keeps the show on the air. Promotion is promotion and Olicity promotes the show. Which means Ms. Cassidy - you get to earn a paycheck.  So let’s avoid calling the people who support Arrow “bullshit”. It’s offensive and rude.

I sincerely appreciate that Ms. Cassidy receives “hate”. So does Stephen Amell (have you ever LOOKED at his Facebook page? Yikes) and Emily Bett Rickards. However, I have yet to see Stephen, Emily or any cast member or writer generalize a fan base like this simply because of a few bad experiences.

Personal attacks against any actor or actress is wrong. You don’t need to like their character and you certainly don’t need to like their acting, but you don’t have to be cruel to them. I respect that Ms. Cassidy has had some rather unfortunate experiences and for that I am truly sorry for her. 

However, she also receives a lot of support and a lot of love. Yours truly included. Do you know how long I spent writing my Black Canary meta? It was like a freaking love letter to Laurel Lance and KC. HOURS. All night. I didn’t sleep. It took me over 10 hours of non stop, painstakingly heartfelt & emotional writing. Do you know how many hours and hours I spend answering asks on Laurel Lance? Defending Laurel Lance? Incalculable. So, excuse me if I am a bit offended that she categorically wrote off ALL shippers as “bullshit”. I’m a shipper. I’m not bullshit. And even if I was…well then a lot of my bullshit is spent defending the character Katie plays.

Do I think Katie meant to generalize? No. I think her “bullshit” comment was directed at the negativity and hate that comes her way. However, her answer was as poorly worded as the question. There’s a very easy way to side step this question.

The majority of our fans are nothing but gracious & supportive - that’s what I choose to focus on. 

Done. And I would hardly call myself a PR wizard.

You can’t compare yourself to other people, you can’t get caught up in all the drama. 

I agree there there’s just plenty of drama and I don’t have a problem with Katie ignoring it. More power to her…but who is she referring to when she says she can’t compare herself to other people? That confused me…Emily Bett Rickards?  Also, I think using the term “bullshit” in reference to shipping while in connection to Stephen’s Jimmy Kimmel appearance was also unprofessional. What bothers her more? That Olicity was mentioned on Kimmel or that she wasn’t mentioned? There may have been some unintentional shade that I find bizarre.

Interviewing is a talent - just like anything else. That’s why I am CONSTANTLY praising Stephen Amell for his interview skills. It’s not an easy thing to do and the guy is a master class. If the question is inappropriate or leading, he side steps it effortlessly without being offensive. I think Katie struggles with her wording sometimes in interviews.  I appreciate that Katie ignores negative comments to do her job. I think that’s a wonderful way to deal with the “bad apples” as I like to call them. Every fan base has them.

But if her desire is to make the fans happy…well here’s a start - let’s not insult fans while simultaneously asking them to watch an episode in which your character is taking center stage.

I have spent the last four months promoting Laurel Lance on this blog, asking the Arrow fandom to give her storyline a chance. Could you not fuck it up in one interview Katie?

That would make me happy.

Well, I am glad to be back with y’all again. Honestly, I almost forgot Sleepy Hollow was on today. They still suck at promoting the show between hiatuses. 

Why do they release all this “Ichabbie is platonic 4 lyfe LOL” stuff RIGHT before an episode heavily featuring the obvious implication that they’re more than friends? It never fails. Every time there’s a fun or exciting episode they rush in like “OK, but all of this is meant to be platonic guys, DO NOT get excited!” like a debbie downer disclaimer.

Lyndie has ruined Joenny for me. Either she is being paid to discredit Ichabbie or I was wrong about her and that makes me sad.

“If they get together, where would the story go?” Seriously? There’s literally been love stories written since the beginning of time. Are you seriously telling me that when people get together romantically there’s no story there? Sorry your lives are so boring, people with spouses. 

There are movies, TV shows and books set entirely around the plot of two stubborn people falling in love and their subsequent misadventures as a couple. Cliche sure but that doesn’t mean it can’t still be well done. You can’t look me in eye and tell me that it would not further the show to see Ichabod adjusting to being Abbie’s lover. COME ON. Them both trying to figure each other out in more intimate way. Abbie opening up and letting her walls down over time. Telling Crane stuff she never told anyone else. Being unable to keep their hands off each other, even in the middle of job. Freaking out over possibly starting a family someday. THAT’S SOME GOOD TV. 

If you don’t like a ship, that’s perfectly fine. But no one will ever convince me that a well written romance between two characters with established chemistry will ‘ruin a show’.  If it’s not your cup of tea, that’s your business. But saying the show is ‘ruined’ is crap. Sit down and stop lying.  And yes, there can be plot and romance. They’re not mutually exclusive. 

“It’s more unique if they stay platonic”. So let’s ignore the fact Jenny hooked up with Joe? Why couldn’t THAT have been a platonic relationship, huh? Two ‘bros’ fighting evil baddies in the name of their late father figure? What about that, Lyndie? 

The whole “But platonic relationships are super rare!” argument usually only comes up because two people they don’t like together hook up but they still want to sound all intellectual about it. There are plenty of friendly, brother/sister relationships that exist. (Then people still ship incest based couples and have the nerve to be upset when two single, non related people with chemistry hook up because “A platonic relationship is so much more unique!”)

it’s honestly just ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong. People often unnecessarily sexualize everything. I am a firm believer and supporter of strong friendships and what not in media. I have been several fandoms that can go overboard with shipping and yes, it can be annoying. But 99% of the time people say “Why can’t they just be friends?” it’s because they don’t like one of the people in the pairing, not because they seriously value friendship. 95% of the time that’s because one of the people in the pairing is another race than their fave. It’s so transparent. I don’t like plenty of ships but if they have chemistry and it works within the narrative and the quality of the show isn’t comprised for it: Why not?

You know what?

The bi/pan erasure aspects when it comes to certain characters in the RvB fandom always seem to get swept under the rug and I’m tired of it.

I’m tired of people trying to defend the fact that the more popular headcanons for characters like Carolina, CT, Palomo, York and Tucker is that they’re all gay or lesbian, despite canonly showing interest in characters of different genders.

I’m tired of people pretending that there isn’t some issue with how people seem to ignore the possibility of bi or pan headcanons because ‘they don’t see this character as bi or pan despite dating someone of a different gender’ or ‘this character was only PRETENDING to like a different gender, but they really like the same gender!’ or ‘Gays and lesbians CAN like one gender before realizing they actually like the same!’ Or ‘I don’t ship this straight couple and I ship one of them with another of the same gender!’

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