yall!!! whats wrong with richjake why u gotta be calling the ship name stupid!!! its easy and simple and yeah so what if its not something fun like boyf riends or pinkberry!!! yall wanna call it backstreet bis which doesnt have to do with the show at all and not everyone hcs jake as bi!! or arson bros!! first: when did jake commit arson!! second: associating them with the fire which was a Bad Thing in their lives is Not Good!! third: why are they bros!!!!! they are in BIG LOVE!!! arson bros more like arson we’re banging
thank you for being *one of the first* people i've seen on this site use women of color for any sort of kpop ship/relationship edit, bless u
Thank you so much for appreciating what I do as much as I do. If you have any requests, feel free to send them my way. P.S. I just joined a blog that also celebrates women of color called @kpoppocmoodboards so you should check that out as well.
Below are some blogs that I absolutely adore, and I highly recommend you look into, that also involve Kpop fans of color within their moodboards or writings:
Jm hangout with TM
Some fans : his a slut ….etc
JK playing with BG
Some fans : oh he make T jealous
Why is every thing have to be about shipping?
They are a humans after all they can hangout , dating who ever they want is non of our business because we are just a fan of them this fandom is stress me up more than my haters every day drama no wonder other fandoms called us drama queens because we believe in everything and doesn’t care about what the members feeling that they got attack by their own fandom, some time I which they didn’t become this popular so they can do what ever they want sigh
+ have u ever thought what is the members feeling when they got called slut, attention seeker….. Etc by their fans I don’t think because if u thought about it u won’t called them by that
I've seen many posts assume that fans of Touka, as well as Touken, cannot explain why kaneki & her relationship is not abusive. They say, she beat him up when he was defenseless (at the start of TG), she beat him up on the bridge, she hit him in re after the Cochlea arc, & now in ch 130 of re. Of course they always seem to fit in the "& on many other occasions" line. Not to mention the emotional and sexual harassment accusations... Could your lovely team prove them wrong & answer the question?
I think it goes back to what you personally define as abuse. I personally do not think that touken is abusive. I think it’s a relationship that has some unhealthy dynamics, but at the end of the day, I think that both of them make each other better based on what I’ve seen from the series. Generally, Touka has her reasons for hitting Kaneki. I’m not going to say that they’re okay - but she has never hit him just because. Usually, when Touka hits Kaneki is meant to be “funny” and goes back to slapstick humor in Japan. There is lots of running gags in Japanese manga and anime of someone hitting another person. Usually, this happens in male/female relationships where the woman is doing the hitting, but there are also comedic gags when a man hits a woman, a woman hits another woman, or a man hits another man.
In Monthly Shoujo Nozaki-kun, there is one particular couple when the guy is always hitting the girl (and the pairing is canon) but it is played as being a funny thing, a gag. Now, you can argue that it’s still bad – but authorial intent is authorial intent and when critiquing these things, you need to think about the cultural norms and comedy that is present in what you are watching. Gags that are acceptable in japanese media are not always the same as those that are present in our media.
While most of the violence from Touka @ Kaneki is slapstick, I will admit that there are a small number of moments when it is not and it meant to be taken seriously.
Now, going back to the original TG, Touka is not initially mean to Kaneki. When she first meets him as a ghoul and drops her kind waitress act, it is when she kills a man who is sexually harassing her. Kaneki justifiably gets scared by this and runs away from her when she offers him a piece of her kill. Touka becomes upset about this.
Touka is 16/17 and has led a difficult, cruel life. Her entire life humans have rejected her for what she was, and Kaneki had just done that as well, after she tries to help him. She is pretty mean when he does come to anteiku after this and refuses to help him because she’s still upset about it.
Then, when they meet again, Touka saves Kaneki from Nishiki and tries to help Kaneki again. He is starving and near mad from hunger, and she tries to feed him. Then, Kaneki freaks out and calls her a monster (not that I blame him) – and this pisses Touka off more and she begins to beat him before she is stopped by Yoshimura.
From that point on, Touka is mean to Kaneki and bullies him at anteiku. She huffs at the idea of helping him, and calls him names rather than referring to him by his name. This changes after Touka goes after the doves who killed Ryoko and Kaneki comes out to help her.
From this moment on, Touka’s attitude towards Kaneki changes. She is caught off guard by his kindness and concern from her and she is less aggressive with him. She even begins calling him by his name after this and begins to train him. Now, I’m not counting any of the times that she hurt him when they were sparring because they were training and she needed to do that to get the fight of flight response necessary that he needed to use in order to use his kagune and learn to control it.
The next time she hits him seriously is during chapter 120, Penetration.
Note – prior to this Kaneki had promised to stay with her and didn’t, then he promised to visit and didn’t. Then, he lies to her about what he’s trying to accomplish with his group and Touka flips out. Is it right? No – but she is also a 16/17 year old girl at the time that this happens. She cares about Kaneki deeply by this point and she sees that he is trying to throw his life away and has no real purpose for what he is doing other than self-gratification and self-sacrifice. He is still being the person “who gets hurt,” just going about it in a different way. He is really protecting no one. She punches him, and then tells him to not come back to anteiku.
She later regretted this outburst.
But, what I love about this scene is that Kaneki after reflecting on his actions while he is “dying” thinks of her words and realizes that she was completely right about him.
After that, Touka is doesn’t give up hope that Kaneki is alive and builds re: for him for the chance that he does get his memories again and wants to return to them.
She doesn’t hit him again until they return from cochlea, but this scene is meant to be more comedic in tone.
Was this right? Nah, it wasn’t – but Kaneki has been putting his loved ones through emotional hell for the past few years. He ran off to die, became a dove and lost his memories, and did some TRULY reprehensible shit as the black reaper for awhile. This is all very frustrating and I took this at Touka’s way of getting out that pent up aggression. I don’t think it was right, but I also understand the reason.
The last time was when Touka threw Kaneki out of her room, and she didn’t punch him. She pushed him out.
Now, you can go back and forth about whether this is abusive. Has she hit him? Yeah, but it’s a common trope in Japan. If you use that definition of the barest definition abuse then it would be considered abuse but so would almost every ship in the series save for Hi//de//kane and Tou//ri/ko. As I said, many of the people claiming abuse refuse to even try to understand the reasons behind Touka’s actions, but will spend hours analyzing other ships that I’m not naming that also meet this definition of abuse.
What I dislike about many of the anti–to//uken blogs is that while they point out the negative aspects of those ships, they NEVER, ever, call out some other ships in this series that meet this criteria. If they are so against what they preceive as abuse, then why don’t they also have callout blogs for those specific ships? If Kaneki is such a poor and traumatized abuse survivor, when why the hell are you pairing him with people who had physically harmed him, nearly killed him, or tried to eat him?
At the end of the day, I have no problems with those ships, but it’s hypocrisy at it’s finest.
Even in that anti–tou//ken blog, they stan Mut//suki, which is fine, but Mut//suki also basically “raped” that U//ta clone thing that looked like H//aise and is actively trying to fuck over Ken for his own selfish reasons. But they don’t call that abusive? Do you see what I mean? Either it’s all abusive and awful, or it’s not. Either you are going to hold all of these ships to the same standard or you’re just a hypocrite that hates Touka because she doesn’t fall into the perfect parameters of what a female character is supposed to be.
I already made a general post about attacking VAs and Creators but this one is going to be Voltron VA specific. Bex will be first since you all seem to have it out for this precious human the most.
- SHE IS ALLOWED TO POST WHATEVER SHE FEELS LIKE, she is a human being like all of us, just because she’s a celebrity does not mean she can’t use tumblr/social media like the normal human she is.
- Stop sending her death threats for the love of god. She is a person. She has feelings like you and I. Why would anyone ever want to send a person death threats unless they were stupid or had a screw loose? (by stupid I mean you can get in trouble with the law for sending death threats you ignoramuses)
- Stop sending her threats in general. Literally wtf. She is, once again, a person. Would you randomly walk up to someone and threaten them? No probably not. Don’t do it over the internet either. Also saying you are a minor/mlm/wlw/any other minority doesn’t get you off scott free. A threat is still a threat no matter who from. Even if its a “joke” its still a threat.
- She is also allowed to ship whatever the fuck she wants. She knows more about the show than you do so i think she has a right to do whatever she choses with regards to the show. Let her ship Plance if she wants dammit.
- Stop calling her a homophobe. You are all dumb. She is the furthest thing from a homophobe. “She’s a lesbian, Harold”.
- idk why you all call her a pedophile. You call Sheith shippers pedophiles (which is inaccurate btw). She doesn’t ship sheith. She support people who do but she doesn’t personally ship it u dunderhead.
- Boobs aren’t sexual objects. She doesn’t see them as sexual objects. Stop turning them into sexual objects just so you can use it as an argument against her.
- For the love of all things holy stop calling him a pedophile. So what if he likes an imaginary ship or not? 1) it’s not pedophilia, 2) it’s not real anyways, 3) you are making yourself look stupider by the minute by calling someone something they aren’t.
- Stop sending death threats. I’m going to have to reiterate this in every section it seems like. None of you obviously have morals if you think sending death threats are alright.
- STOP SENDING THREATS. Again another thing it seems like I will have to keep reiterating. Threatening people isn’t okay. It’s just not. You are taught this as a kid, or at least I THOUGHT everyone was taught this growing up.
- Never involve a persons children in a situation they aren’t apart of. You are literally the scum of the Earth if you talk ill about someones child or bring them into a situation they should not be in. If someone had done that to my kid they wouldn’t want to be anywhere near me i’ll tell you that right now. A threat against a child is a threat against their parents as well. If you threaten a child you have to deal with the consequence of having a pissed off parent as well. Plus a parent has every right to come at you once you threaten their children.
- He’s also allowed to post anything he wants. He’s a person, he can make jokes, he can have fun on social media. Stop being a party pooper.
- He is also not a homophobe. So don’t call him that.
- He is also not a homophobe so just stop.
- don’t threaten or antagonize him. Once again not something you should do.
- Don’t send death threats! once again a bad thing to do and against the law.
- just stop being a dick in general to him? He’s a nice man let him live.
- He is precious. Stop waiting to pounce on him for anything he says you vultures (I shouldn’t say that its an insult to the vultures)
- let this man ship Punk (hunk and pidge) in peace
- i don’t think anti’s have attacked him for anything else???
ALL THE VAs IN GENERAL -
- Stop threatening them.
- Stop sending death threats.
- Stop policing their social media.
- Stop saying they can’t support ships just because you don’t like them.
- Stop saying they can’t ship what they like just because you don’t like it.
- Stop being dicks to them in general.
- Stop trying to weed out info about the show from them, they have a contract, they can’t talk to you about future stuff in the show get that thru your head.
- Just stop calling people pedo’s. Dreamworks would not hire pedophiles you idiots. plus YOU SHOULDN’T EVEN THROW AROUND A SERIOUS WORD LIKE THAT WILLY-NILLY.
- Let’s all be decent human beings alright? alright.
(part 1) ur gonna roast me for this but im legit curious why mafia AUs are so bad? im asking in a non confrontational way, i get it romanticizing mafia is wrong, but i also believe that 1)most mafia AUs are a really toned down type of mafia;2)they do make for some interesting kinds of dynamics with fanart and with fics; 3)in a fic specifically u can create your own world and call something mafia and still make it so they don't kill innocent people but only idk members of other gangs or sth
(part 2) plus theyre a way to put ur charas in a completely diff context and see what theyll do. i mean i dont believe that writing ships in a certain context (like mafia) equals romanticizing that context. mafia AUs arent even my fav things to read (in fact i almost never do), im sure many ppl romanticize it and i obvs dont agree with that but im just trying to udnerstand bc i believe fandoms are a way to explore things that we normally wouldnt.
I’m not gonna roast you don’t worry xD okay wait let me check if I replied to this already if yes I’m gonna c/p because it’s half past midnight otherwise I’ll just go at it again wait *checks tags* fff obviously I don’t have a general post but anyway pls read this after you’ve done with my post and then this which is also choke-full of links. plus for a (not nice) laugh: here. AH WAIT I FOUND THE POST.
okay, so, let’s have it out of the way: I have nothing against mob aus or crime aus. I have a problem against calling them mafia AUs because in the US mafia = organized crime at large, in Italy mafia = ACTUAL EXISTING ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE ACTIVELY HARMFUL. now that I introduced the topic I’ll c/p you the reply I gave to another anon who while discussing the issue pointed out that most writers don’t even know Italian mafia is a thing, which is pretty much on the same discourse so…
*The thing is - in the US it might not be enough of a deal anymore and I honestly do get why people make the mafia = regular mobsters, since the mafia was the first foreign organized crime being exported to the US via italian immigrants (sorry if this sounds horrible in English but I just woke up and I still didn’t have coffee) so I understand that mafia became the umbrella term.But the thing is that - as you said, these people don’t even know that there’s a mafia in Italy anymore or where the word comes from.
Mafia might not be a big deal in the US, but it still is here. We have the beauty of four different mafias (Cosa Nostra - the Sicilian one, camorra which is the one in Campania but has tendrils spread everywhere, the ‘ndrangheta which is in Calabria and the Sacra Corona Unita in Puglia) which are all active [especially camorra and 'ndrangheta] and whose actions have direct impact (negative) on our economy and on our society. Actually mafias are one of the main reasons we’re currently economically fucked up, and if I start talking about how mafia culture keeps some areas literally backwards I could talk about it for three months.
There are still people who are killed for standing up against them. These days the most prominent personality is Roberto Saviano who is a writer who dared to put together a book documenting minutely the way camorra works and he’s been living under protection for years by this point. Like, they want him dead because he wrote a book. And I’m sorta sure that he was talking about leaving Italy and going to the US after years of sticking with it here because he can’t take it anymore but I don’t know if it was a taken decision or if it’s still debating it.
It wasn’t even thirty years ago that we had the stragi di mafia - in english it’d be something like the mafia slaughters, basically around the beginning of the nineties there were a number of bombs planted by the mafia targeting people who were trying to oppose it including judges Falcone and Borsellino, actually the anniversary of Falcone’s death is like… tomorrow. And they’ve killed people for way longer than that. Here is a list of only Cosa Nostra victims including the ones from the eighties/nineties. And people are still dying because of it. The slaughters I’m referring to are just the ones in the nineties which are enough of a number.
They also perpetuate a culture where if you testify against your mafia-employed relatives you’ll be shunned forever. There are women who testified against their families and couldn’t see their children anymore never mind that they weren’t automatically considered a relative anymore the moment they sided against the mafia. Some people have committed suicide after becoming witnesses also because our police force/justice system can be terribly non-supportive in this kind of situation so they got left on their own. Never mind that back in the day - it was the beginning of the nineties? - I recall at least a particular story of - I think, correct me if I remember wrong but I can’t remember the names for the life of me - where this guy testified against the local mafia when he either used to work for them or was forced to pay them the pizzo and in retaliation his six-year old (or five? Anyway he had a son younger than ten for sure) got kidnapped, killed and thrown into acid to dispose of the body. That happened in what, 1993? 1994? It’s pretty much yesterday. And now the camorra is doing the same - there’s a list here of camorra victims among which accidental passerbys that got killed because they were in the way which I can tell just by glancing is not complete. And I’m not even going into the 'ndrangheta. That is to say, here mafia still kills people and cripples our country.
Now, I get that it’s a word, but the point was: let’s say that instead of the Italians the Japanese came to the US first and the umbrella word for organized crime was yakuza rather than mafia and let’s say yakuza was still what it was originally in Japan while in the US it stopped being a big deal and people write yakuza!AU instead of mafia AU. Let’s say someone Japanese gets angry at that and goes like 'listen the yakuza is a real deal it does this this this and that and it’s a plague in our country so can you please at least look it up before writing your fanfic’, which is what had happened way back then when this whole mafia and fanfic thing blew up. A bunch of people told us to get over it because it’s just a word and if it’s a problem in Italy it’s not in the US so why should they care? Now, if we had been Japanese (or Chinese or Russian or Mexican) would they have said the same thing? Considering the general tumblr attitude I’m pretty sure they would have received either an apology or 'this is an important deal let’s keep that in mind’ with signal boost reblogs and stuff.
It’s the fact that we should get over people not knowing that it’s still a real problem for us and that they can’t take five seconds to google it that is the problem imo. Especially when instead of mafia au you can just say mobsters au or tag it as organized crime and everyone is a lot happier, mostly because as the tag above explains romanticising the mafia is a good thing for them because it means they can act outside Italy with less stigma because everyone thinks that the mafia is dead or not relevant anymore, if I’m explaining myself. (And it’s active outside Italy - like, there was a mafia kill in Germany in 2007 where six people died (sorry the link is in Italian but there isn’t an English wiki page, if you look the city up you’ll find something probably) and it was because of the 'ndrangheta.
I’d really like to not get worked over it because it meant it was a thing of the past y'know, but the problem is that it isn’t and I’d rather spread some awareness in hope some of these writers look it up (because it’s a good thing that people know what mafia is since as stated they have tendrils everywhere - if you read Saviano’s book the entire first chapter is about how camorra regularly deals with Chinese import/export in Italy for one) than shrug and figure that since they’ll think everything is good for fanfic then it’s not even worth my time.*
Now, ^^^ that was the c/p-ed reply that should answer most of your doubts. What I didn’t address was:
im sure many ppl romanticize it and i obvs dont agree with that but im just trying to udnerstand bc i believe fandoms are a way to explore things that we normally wouldnt.
aaaand as we say here in Italy, this is where the donkey falls (sorry we have weird sayings), because in theory there’s nothing wrong with that… except that in 99% of the mafia aus I’ve seen around the thing is that they’re supposed to be cute.
like, I see a lot of shit with TINY MAFIA BOSS STEVE ROGERS with RUSSIAN ENFORCER BUCKY (????? bucky isn’t even russian???) and the yoi thing I saw before had the japanese character being the leader of a russian mafia gang which is… like… guys it doesn’t happen it really doesn’t, and a lot of them re-use wrongly terminology taken from the godfather without context or knowing what the hell it means, and it’s always from the criminals’ pov and they’re somehow seen as criminals doing justice where the police can’t (???) and like… no. mafia bosses/enforcers/employees are bad people period, and at least here if you try to leave or repent they kill your family in retribution. like, not even ten years ago there’s been a woman who used to belong to a mafia family (or one colluded with the mafia) who testified and her entire town/family shunned her and she couldn’t take it anymore and… killed herself drinking acid if I don’t recall wrong. it’s not even special cases. this shit is not funny, it’s not cute, it’s not adorable and it’s not good fodder for your imagine your otp scenario (srsly I saw one like.. let me find it,
LIKE. just look at this shit. in a regular context, the enforcer goes to the show owner to force them to pay a monthly sum to their boss lest they destroy their shop and their lives and their family’s life never mind that mafia culture is deeply homophobic so the mafia enforcer flirting with the shopkeeper is like completely fucking out of the question. I mean, people here like to shit on the sopranos but that show was actually excellent representation of Horrid Criminals Who Were Never Supposed To Be Good People and the small arc that happened when one of tony’s friends turned out to be gay (closeted) was REALLY well done. btw, it ended that when they found out he was gay most of the crowd rejected him and thought badly of him until I think they killed him also for other reasons, but that spiraled from finding out he liked dick. and that’s american mafia that they actually based on well-done research of the culture in Italy it came from, I assure you that here it doesn’t work that differently. like. the shit above is so inaccurate and frankly offensive, it’s like… I get people romanticizing problematic stuff but the thing is that when you tell them that it’s actually offensive you get brushed off as ‘ah well you’re being too sensitive it’s just a word u__u’. now, I’m all for exploring shit we wouldn’t be into, but not like THAT, because that’s like mafia romantic comedy and that’s not how it works. now, you wanna do a fic where the mafia characters are deeply flawed and bad people and the police tries to catch them? fine, great, go ahead. you wanna do a fic where the enforcer above deals with dunno an entire life of internalized homophobia when he finds the shopkeeper attractive and feels conflicted over having to con money out of him and doing horrible shit for a living and maybe understanding that crime isn’t worth it and then he actually collaborates with the police and gets shit from about everyone he knows and loves for that? okay, awesome, go ahead. nothing bad in that.
but the shit above is not exploring things we wouldn’t/writing darkfic, it’s THINKING THAT A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION WHICH IS STILL A THING IN OUR PART OF THE WORLD IS CUTE AND ADORABLE. and that only plays in their favor because it takes the bad aura out of the word and we really should not let that happen. like. that is what is bad about mafia aus and mafia discourse, that people don’t realize the mafia is alive and well and thriving and not a thing that doesn’t exist or a generic word for organized crime.
you wanna write the shit above? okay, CALL IT CRIME AU or mob au, not mafia au.
btw, add-on: idk if I mentioned it in the above post or not, but in case I didn’t, I said that people would balk at the idea of a mexican cartel au. sadly since then I’ve found out a fandom where not only there is one but it’s also extra cutesy and people apparently love it and it has a bunch of kudos/comments and idek I’m not even touching that with a ten foot pole but like… I’ve avoided it and everything that author wrote because to me it’s just… nope. like, nope. if you do mafia aus don’t make them fucking cute. (also: in the same fandom I had to mute a v. famous fanartist whose art I actually liked but did cutesy mafia aus and.. like… haahahhaahahahahaha nah sorry. can’t go there. nope.)
my amazing friend Lars started talking about a GhostHunter AU, and things escalated from mindless shenanigans to INTENSE FEELINGS and these four are the culprits (and also a hell of a lotta fun to design :D)
Introducing: Eren The Turkish Vessel, Armin The Scandinavian Psychic, Marco The Louisianan-Creole Empath, and Jean The Trapped Ghost from the 80′s