Goodness gracious... all of the ship-jumping right now has me so upset...
Guys…. I just watched the scene that many are referring to. More than once, actually, in order to see it in context and it is not AT ALL how a lot of people are conveying it. Have a little bit of faith in our ship, y’all. I’m putting some thoughts about the specific scene under the jump.
Ok. So.. I’m going to go through it from beginning to end and tell you what happens and include my thoughts on why I think it’s all bullshit as side-notes as I go. Okay? Okay. (shout out to my fellow TFIOS fans out there because yes, I meant to do that)
*Note: I am not going to use shipper names or even certain character names in this post as I do not want to bring hate up in here. I’m just providing my friends with the information that they are asking for along with commentary on how it came across TO ME within context.
*Also forgive me for typos. It’s almost 2am here.
- Jon wakes up on the boat, looking all weak and groggy… D is sitting beside him crying because one of her “children” croaked.
- Jon’s all “I’m sorry. I’m so sorry.” He looks like he feels incredibly guilty/awful. He grabs her hand to get her attention because she won’t look at him. He says he wished that he could take it back and that they’d never gone on the dumb mission we all thought was stupid from the beginning. (Again, another call to the fact that he’s feeling super guilty)
- She says she’s glad they went because NOW she believes him. *rolls eyes*
- She says “the dragons are my children. They are the only children I will ever have. Do you understand?” He makes a reserved face, kind of looks at her strangely. Sighs. Doesn’t say anything. *(This to me is very important. She just told him that she can’t have children. We’ve been told in the leaks that this would come out at some point on the boat and that he would be “fine” with it. He didn’t say anything about it at all in the scene. BUT… he knows now. And he’s always had a fear of having a bastard child because he didn’t want to do that to a kid. Now he knows that banging does not equal children in this scenario. This is very important, J/S shippers. Especially in regards to a widely felt theory that he is playing her in order to get through the war.)*
- She tells him that they will destroy the enemy and their army together. She uses the phrase “you have my word.” (Remember this. He gets his promise for help and an army and dragons before saying ANYTHING else. Before promising anything on his end. He is silent up until this point outside of expressing sheer regret. Which is a Jon thing to do. Honor and such.)
- He says thank you and calls her the damn nickname. She tells him that her brother who is not company you would want to keep called her that. He comes back with “Alright. Not ____. *heavy sigh* How about my queen?” He then says “I’d um.. bend the knee but…” and looks down at himself in the bed. She asks him about those who swore their allegiance to him. He says “They’re all going to see you for what you are.” *That last part, for one, is extremely fore-shadowy. HE still has not completely seen her for what she really is. He doesn’t know of his parentage yet, he doesn’t know that she burned Sam’s family… he doesn’t know a lot. He is very quiet, however, and broody and he THINKS a lot. He knows more than he lets on. ALSO… please remember that he was SILENT as the seven hells until she made her promises FIRST. He then offered up a nickname that was refused, offered to bend the knee but didn’t actually do it, she didn’t tell him that she was going to require it of him later and they were ALONE when it happened. No witnesses. He could later betray her (which, isn’t this something that is supposed to happen to her at some point still? A betrayal in love?), and could also still give his title to S which would require HER to give the North over to this Danonos lady. He’s also.. again… ALONE with her when this conversation takes place and nothing is forced of him. She seems surprised and doesn’t seem like she is going to require him to actually do this bend the knee thing any time seen. He is now getting his army from her, he feels GUILTY and is acting kindly toward her because he is essentially the cause of the death of one of her “children,” and again, he’s getting what he wants from her. This is what his mission to see her to begin with was about entirely. He’s getting what he and the North need from her and he is NOT ultimately being required (so far) to give anything in return. He verbally and half-heartedly offered it to her alone in the middle of a guilt-filled moment. That does not mean that he is not going to later renege on these words. That does not mean that he is not going to later betray her.
- He holds her hand again (gag me) during this conversation. She then pulls it away, tells him to get some sleep and gets ready to stand. He closes his eyes, pretends to be asleep and then opens his eyes again when she is gone. He looks very bothered/guilty then.
Sorry. I know it’s painful, but I wanted to convey exactly what takes place to you all along with my thoughts. I really do believe that he’s pulling one over on her. She is supposed to be betrayed for love at some point. She is convinced that he longs for/loves her, and she is falling for him. The bang will happen and she will help him in the war. This is what we knew would happen via the leaks before. Seeing it in context however is a good thing. Kit is a great actor and a lot of the time, he conveys a lot of Jon’s feelings in a scene without ever saying a word. There were a LOT of guilty looks here. The one after he fakes sleep is the most telling one. There is no one there to watch his face and he looks like he feels bad about what he is doing. I do feel like he’s doing exactly what he did with the wildlings at this point. He is saying/doing what he needs to in order to get what HE needs for the people and the place in HIS heart, and yes, he feels guilty about it because he’s honorable like Ned, but he will do what he needs to. He has done this before. He can be JUST as cunning and sneaky as anyone else on the show. He’s good at it. He just doesn’t like to do it, which is a call back to the scene he had with D where he said that he doesn’t always like doing what he’s good at doing.
Let me also do a huge callback to his scenes with S in 7x01 & 7x02. She told him not to be stupid like Robb or Ned because she didn’t want him to get himself killed. Then they had the moment where he asked her if he should listen to her and she said “would that really be so terrible?” In the VERY NEXT EPISODE, he gave her the North in his absence, proving that he does listen to her and NO, it would not be terrible. She knows what she is doing and he knows that. Is it really that far fetched to believe that maybe he is finally listening to her in this scenario as well? While a lot of it is unnecessary because D&D like to put us through stupidity to get to the good stuff, him playing this woman the whole time in order to get what he needs would be FAR from “stupid” or “dumb.” It would do the opposite of getting him killed by her and it would get him help in the war which would in turn help the people and the place that he has said is in his heart.
I’ll leave you with a quote to remember because I feel like I’ve said ways too much. Hello novel? Also… sorry for the typos and run-on sentences. Again, it’s 2:00am here.
- “The North is my home. It is part of me, and I will NEVER stop fighting for it, no matter the odds.” - Jon SAID this only a few episodes ago. REMEMBER this. He’s playing her, y’all. I really feel it.
I’m still rlly happy that the angels are finally being acknowledged and that they’re helping everyone through grieving Old Woman Josie’s death
The tiny city being gone i guess means that Night Vale is more stable now which is good
CECIL CALLING STEVE HIS “BEST FRIEND AND BROTHER” WAS AMAZING HE’S GROWN SO MUCH I’M SO PROUD OF HIM
Cecil talking about his marriage and about Carlos and calling Carlos his husband and just Carlos in general I love these two
“he just wanted an excuse to talk to me” my h e a r t
also I think because of the novel and the fact he brought of becoming “too complacent” and also because he hasn’t had too much development yet this year is going to have a lot of Carlos in it which would be Amazing
also I think the City Council might have more of an antagonistic role this year???? they were upset about the acknowledgement of angels and still refuse to open the dog park which leads me to believe they might try to stop Night Vale from evolving as a community. That also means Tamika will probably be pretty prominent as well which would be cool
I also think the Desert Otherworld might come back due to the fact that the scientists are studying The House that Does Not Exist again
(p.s my thoughts on the next episode might be late)
Extroverted Thinking (Te): Sharpay knows how to get what she wants. She is confident, bold, and assertive to the point of being aggressive. Her songs are great demonstrations of this (“Bop to the Top” and “I Want it All”, specifically). She constantly bosses people around and becomes vicious when her plans fall apart (as seen in HSM 2 when she sees Gabriella at Lava Springs).
Introverted Intuition (Ni): She has clear vision of what she wants, whether it’s to be the star of the musical or to win Troy over. She has a knack for knowing which strings need to be pulled in order to get what she wants, as well, for example, telling Troy about Gabriella’s Honors Program letter and telling Ms. Darbus what a good idea it would be to reschedule the callbacks to a time that will make it difficult for any competition to be there.
Extroverted Sensing (Se): This is best demonstrated in her flashy sense of style and love of performing. The way she moves on stage, the way she sings and dances, and her ability to live in the moment while performing are examples of how she uses Se.
Introverted Feeling (Fi): Sharpay sees herself as a unique individual, and prides herself on it. Her actions are based on what she wants for herself with little regard with who else will be affected.
How Hannibal eating Dr. Fell by himself at the table was SUCH A GOOD CALLBACK to Aperitif. He did exactly what I thought he would do in the first minutes of this episode, throw the walls back up, kill a man fancifully and then treat himself to an enormous dinner spread for one that he couldn’t possible eat. Pretend that nothing had changed that he could go back to the, the buzzword, I believe, was, “Peace” of less complicated times. The Hannibal of Aperitif would not have dreamed of being accused of what Gideon accuses him of, wanting to eat with company. Or he would have laughed really hard and patted him on the head. He’d have been at perfect, amused, peace eating all by himself, but no longer. And this Hannibal tries and fails for that over and over. He kills Dr. Fell, but has to eat alone, he kills Anthony, but has to kill alone. And he’s just thinking of Will.
And Bryan, of course, frames everything perfectly like he always does: “
We see this guy who’s dealing with his emotions in a very different way, and so much of that first episode is informed by Hannibal’s heartbreak. We really see a heartbroken man acting out.”
I thought for a minute too, that maybe there wasn’t enough pining, but this whole episode is one big ode to Hannibal missing Will. This is Hannibal pining, killing and throwing his carelessness around, AND LOOK AT ME, I’M WITTY AND PUNNY AND MONSTEROUSLY MURDEROUS. And maybe that’s taking off the person suit, but the point of the end of last season I think, was that he was starting to build, you know, just a person, but those little wisps just got all shattered and painful, and we’re back to trying to be at square one.
The show is casually reminding us of Beth/Grady Hospital.
Focus on the fact that we had a conversation with Noah about surgeons and doctors. Just the conversation itself made me instantly think of Grady. The fact that Aaron mentions that the surgeon in Alexandria is incredibly good at what he does is a callback to Edwards.
People have hit on this, but Glenn makes a point of saying, “It does matter.” Just like Beth.
If the show keeps this up, this casual thing of reminding us of Beth and what happened to her, the better.