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It still amazes me how some of the Columbine victims survived their wounds. Just to name a few: Patrick Ireland was shot twice in the head and still has a bullet lodged in his brain. Nicole Nowlen was under the table with John Tomlin and was hit with nine pieces of buckshot in her abdomen with five pieces still lodged in her stomach. Mark Kintgen was hit in the left side of the neck and head. Mark Taylor was shot five times in the back and two in the chest by Eric, and two bullets just barely missed his aorta. Valeen Schnurr suffered nine gunshot wounds to her arm, chest and abdomen. Lance Kirklin was shot point blank in the face by Dylan among other wounds to the foot, leg, and chest.

Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris in the library
  • Eric: "Get up!"
  • Dylan: "GET UP!"
  • Eric: "Stand up right now or we'll blow your fucking heads off!"
  • Dylan: "Fine I'll start shooting then..." (shoots Velasquez) "Woohoo!"
  • Dylan: "All jocks stand up... white baseball cap"
  • Eric: "Pigs are here..." (begins firing out the window)
  • Dylan: (shoots Hall, Ireland, Steepleton) "Yahoo!"
  • Patti Nielson: "our father... who art in heaven.. hallowed be thy name"
  • Dispatcher: "ma'am, you need to forget about praying right now. What's happening there?"
  • Nielson: "They're in here.. they're killing kids... I have to go." (drops phone)
  • Eric: (kills Curnow) "Die! Motherfucker!"
  • Dylan: "WOO!"
  • Kasey Ruegsegger: (after being shot by Eric) "Oh!"
  • Eric: "Stop your bitching! It's merely a flesh wound,"
  • Dylan: (laughing hysterically)
  • Eric: "Peek-a-boo" (kills Bernall)
  • Dylan: (shoots Ireland) "Die! ...down on the floor!"
  • Dylan: "REB?"
  • Eric: "Yeah?"
  • Dylan: "hey, man... there's a nigger over here."
  • Eric: "shoot him"
  • Dylan: "SHIT YEAH!"
  • Shoels: "no...no...no...mom!"
  • (Shoels and Kechter killed)
  • (CO2 bomb detonates)
  • Valeen Schnurr: "oh my god... help me..."
  • Eric: "do you believe in God?"
  • Valeen: "no..yes..."
  • Dylan: "Why?"
  • Eric: "God is gay."
  • John TOmlin: "Don't... done enough?"
  • (shots fired)
  • Dylan: "You think we've done enough?" (laughing)
  • Eric: "nice glasses" (shots fired.. sounds of a scuffle.. shots fired again.. Mauser killed)
  • Dylan: "was he trying to jump you?"
  • Eric: "Yeah"
  • (shots fired... DePooter killed)
  • Dylan: "Look what we have here..."
  • Eric: "What?"
  • Dylan: "just some fat fuck"
  • Dylan: "give me one good reason why I shouldn't kill you."
  • Evan Todd: "I don't want to get into trouble"
  • Dylan: "Trouble! You don't know what trouble is..."
  • Evan Todd: "That's not what I mean... I don't have a problem with you guys..."
  • Dylan: "I'm going to let this fat fuck live... little fat fucking piece of shit... you can have him if you want."
  • Eric: "Let's go to the commons"
  • Dylan: "One more thing" (sound of something smashing)
  • Dylan: "Reb, ya ready?"

anonymous asked:

I've been reading the Columbine report files and numerous students stated that Eric had asked Valeen Schnurr if she believed in god before he shot her, so this was never asked to Rachel Scott and she never had verbal contact with Eric during the shooting ?

Nope, Rachel was never asked that question, and she never spoke to Eric or Dylan that day at all. Valeen was the only one asked if she believed in God and she said yes. When they asked her why she said it was because that’s what her parents believed. 

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“A born-again Christian as of 1997, Cassie Bernall was active in church youth programs and Bible study groups. Her parents called her “Bunny Rabbit” and said she loved to go rock climbing in Breckinridge. She had recently visited Great Britain and her favorite movie was ‘Braveheart’.

For a long time after the shootings, it was believed that she was the girl in the library who was asked by one of the shooters: “Do you believe in God?” and was subsequently shot because she said “Yes”. There is still controversy surrounding this – according to the Columbine Report, several witnesses claim that the conversation occurred between gunman Eric Harris and surviving victim Valeen Schnurr. Valeen herself has verified this fact. However Joshua Lapp, a witness to the library shootings, said in his interview with investigators that the shooters asked several people if they believed in God and the answers given didn’t seem to dictate who was shot or not.”

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 Jeanna Park (age 18 in 1999)

Jeanna Park was hiding underneath the tables in the library when the Columbine High School Massacre took place. She was hiding with Valeen Schnurr, Kelly Flemming,  Diwata Perez,  Lauren Townsend, and Lisa Kreutz. At one point, she tried to leave her hiding place to reach to her sister, Kathy Park, who was a freshman at the time hiding underneath the computer tables with Jessica Holliday. It was Diwata Perez that held her back, telling her that Jessica Holliday would take care of her. 

Later on, Jeanna Park would be shot by Dylan Klebold. She was shot from behind, leaving her right knee, right shoulder, and left foot, critically injured. She lay on the floor until she noticed other people exiting the library, not seeing her sister there any longer, she left alone.  

She was released from the hospital on April 26, 1999. Jeanna returned to Columbine and graduated with honors on May 23, 1999. 

After Columbine, Jeanna Park began studying at the University of California at Berkley and graduated from the University of California at San Francisco School of Medicine, and is now working as a doctor.

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Deleted scene from Zero Hour.

Dylan asking Valeen; “Do you believe in god?”

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Deaths at Columbine High School

On April 20, 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold embarked on a murderous rampage at their high school. In the time that Eric and Dylan had spent planning and preparing for the massacre, they had acquired a large arsenal of weapons, many which were hidden in Eric’s bedroom. The massacre at Columbine High School left 15 dead, including the two perpetrators.

• Rachel Scott - Rachel was eating lunch with her friend Richard Castaldo when Eric and Dylan opened fire at the West entrance where she and Richard were sat on the grass. Rachel was hit from a distance and then shot at point blank range when she attempted to get up. She died from gunshot wounds to the head, chest, arm and leg. Rachel had earlier quit smoking at the request of a friend, if she had not quit she would have possibly been in “The Smokers Pit” at lunch instead of at the high school. Rachel was the first of many victims killed and injured in the massacre.

• Daniel Rohrbough - Daniel was walking out of the cafeteria with his friends, Lance Kirklin and Sean Graves, when Eric and Dylan began shooting at them. He was shot in the abdomen and left leg. Eric Harris shot him in the chest at point blank range moments later. Daniel bled to death on the sidewalk outside the school. Daniel’s father knew something was wrong when his son did not turn up at their shop after school as he normally did. The Rohrboughs did not learn of their son’s death from officials, but from the morning news.

• Dave Sanders - When Eric and Dylan began shooting outside the school, Dave Sanders ran to the cafeteria and warned everyone. He helped to save hundreds of students that day. The cafeteria was almost empty by the time Eric and Dylan arrived because of Dave Sanders. He was trying to get students safely hidden inside classrooms when he was shot from behind by Eric Harris. He was hit in the head, torso and neck and bled to death in a science lab while waiting for help.

• Kyle Velasquez - Kyle was sitting at one of the computers when Eric and Dylan entered the library. He was shot in the back of the head by Dylan Klebold as he passed him. Kyle was the first victim to die in the library. Kyle had been attending Columbine for only three months when the massacre took place. He was shy and was only just coming out of his shell when he died. Kyle was mentally disabled and knew what it was like to be an outcast, his last words to his mother were, “Goodbye I love you mom.”

• Steve Curnow - Steve was hiding under a computer desk, near to survivor Kacey Ruegseggwe, when Eric and Dylan began shooting in the library. Steve was shot in the neck by Eric Harris with a sawed-off shot gun. Steve died in the library and was the youngest victim of the Columbine massacre at only 14 years old. Steve was very close with his parents, loved soccer and had dreamed of being a Navy top gun pilot.

• Cassie Bernall - Cassie was hiding under a table, like many students, when Eric and Dylan entered the library. Eric Harris came to the table where Cassie and another girl were hiding. He tapped on the table twice and said, “Peek a boo” to the two girls. Cassie was shot in the side of the head with Eric Harris’ sawed-off shot gun. She was killed immediately. Cassie was a born again Christian as of 1997, previous to this she had fallen in with the wrong crowd. For a long time it had been believed that it was Cassie who had been asked whether she believed in God and then was shot when she answered, “Yes.” However, it has been verified that it was actually survivor Valeen Schnurr who was asked this.

• Isaiah Shoels - Isaiah was studying in the library with his friends, Craig Scott (brother of Rachel Scott) and Matt Kechter, when Eric and Dylan entered the room. The three boys hid under a table together. When Dylan Klebold saw Isaiah hiding under the table, he called Eric Harris over. Dylan made a racist comment towards Isaiah and tried to pull him out from under the table. When he failed to do so, Eric shot Isaiah in the chest at close range, killing him. Isaiah had been a popular student at Columbine, he was also an athlete. Eric and Dylan had had problems with Isaiah previous to the shooting.

• Matt Kechter - Matt was studying with victim Isaiah Shoels and Craig Scott in the library when Eric and Dylan entered the room. He was hiding under the table with his two friends and witnessed Isaiah being shot. Dylan fired at Matt, he was hit in the chest and died later that day in the library. Matt was in the football team and was a weight lifter. He always got good grades at Columbine and was looked up to by his friends. Greg Barnes, a close friend of Matt, took his own life not long after the first anniversary of the massacre.

• Lauren Townsend - Lauren was in the library with some friends when the shooting began. She hid under a table when Patti Nielson, a teacher at Columbine, told everyone to get down. Lauren was behind Valeen Schnurr and put her arm around her, telling her that everything would be okay. Dylan Klebold came to the table she was hiding under and opened fire. She was shot several times by Dylan and then was also shot by Eric minutes later but, at this point she was already dead. Lauren died from wounds to her head, chest and lower body. Lauren had plans to major in biology at Colorado State University when she graduated from Columbine. She has been described by her teachers at Columbine as having a gentle nature and a loving spirit.

• John Tomlin - John often spent his lunch in the library studying and that was where he was when the shooting began. He hid under a table and comforted a girl he didn’t know (Nicole Nowlen) when she became scared by holding her hand. Both Eric and Dylan came to their table and, without even looking to see who was underneath it, Eric opened fire. John and Nicole were both injured from Eric’s shot but, it was a shot to the head at point blank range from Dylan Klebold which killed John almost instantly. John loved Chevrolet trucks and had recently got his driving licence and got an old Chevy pick up, he had been working for it since he was 14. His truck, along with Rachel Scott’s car, became a memorial in the parking lot of the high school, his bible still on the dashboard.

• Kelly Fleming - Kelly was hiding behind a table with some other girls when Eric and Dylan entered the library. It was Eric who shot and killed Kelly. Eric and Dylan both reloaded and moved away from the girls’ table and then later came back. Kelly was shot again by Eric with his sawed-off shotgun, in the back from behind. Kelly was a shy girl who aspired to be a songwriter and author, she wrote many poems and stories. She would often go to the library at Columbine to write some of these stories. Kelly’s mother recalls her coming home from school around two months before the shooting and saying, “I’m not shy anymore.”

• Daniel Mauser - Daniel was in the library when the massacre began. He was hiding under a table when Eric Harris shot him in the face. Daniel died under the table in the library. Daniel’s family described him as a shy and gentle soul. He had attended Ken Caryl Middle School, the same as Eric and Dylan, there is no evidence of them having known eachother though. Daniel’s father was planning on taking him on his first 14,000 mountain hike that summer.

• Corey DePooter - Corey was in the library when the massacre took place. He had been hiding under a table near the window with two others. Dylan Klebold shot Corey, he was killed almost instantly. He died there in the library of gunshot wounds to his neck, chest and left arm. Corey was a former wrestler and loved to fish. He had started a job at a golf club to save up for a fishing boat with one of his friends. Described as an all-American kid, school was very important to Corey. Corey had always wanted to be a marine and at his funeral he was made an honorary marine.

• Eric Harris - Eric also died in the library not long later. Eric fired his shotgun through the roof of his mouth, the shot caused a large amount of damage to his face, also causing his eyeball to fall out. The back of his head was also blasted off. His death was instant. Eric had been a student Columbine High School and had worked at Blackjack Pizza.

• Dylan Klebold - Along with Eric, Dylan committed suicide in the library. He shot himself in the left temple and the bullet sliced through his head. He died right next to Eric, although his death was not instant like Eric’s had been. Dylan had been a student at Columbine High School and had also been an employee at Blackjack Pizza, like Eric Harris.

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“Across the room, Valeen Schnurr, who had turned 18 six days before, was cowering beneath another table with her best friend Lauren. They had just been preparing an English presentation on the American Civil War novel Cold Mountain and their pencil cases were still on the desk above their heads. Valeen remembers Lauren holding her hand tightly. Then, without understanding why, Valeen felt her body jerk forcefully. She noticed she was bleeding and would find out subsequently that she had been shot nine times at close range. "The force of the bullets pushed me out from under the table,” says Valeen, now 27. “I was in excruciating pain. It feels like fire running through your body. I was saying ‘Oh my God, oh my God’ and one of them [Klebold] asked me if I believed in God. I said yes. He asked why. I said 'My parents brought me up that way’.”

Then she held her breath and closed her eyes, hoping he would leave her to die. The gunman walked away. “I didn’t see his face,” Valeen says. “But their voices… it was like they were happy. To them it was like playing a game.” It was only afterwards, when she nudged her friend so they could make their escape, that she realised Lauren was dead. The ninth bullet had sliced through Valeen’s shoulder and killed her.“

- The Guardian, Ten years on and Columbine still feels the pain. 

Valeen Schnurr was the one who was asked if she believed in God, although the rumor has been circulating around Cassie Bernall, who was not asked anything before she was shot.

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May 22, 1999

 Columbine High School Graduation day: Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, Lauren Townsend and Isaiah Shoels would have graduated. Survivors (left to right) Jeanna Park, Lisa Kreutz, and Valeen Schnurr received their diplomas.

Columbine

April 20, 1999

Weapons

TEC-DC9
Hi-Point 995 Carbine
Savage 67H pump-action shotgun
Stevens 311D double barreled sawed-off shotgun
99 explosives
4 knifes

Injured

Richard Castaldo - 17
• shot in the arm, chest, back, and abdomen
Sean Graves - 15
• shot in the back, foot, and abdomen
Lance Kirklin - 16
• shot in the leg, neck, and jaw
Michael Johnson - 15
• shot in the face, arm, and leg
Mark Taylor - 16
• shot in the arms, leg, and chest
Anne-Marie Hochhalter - 17
• shot in the chest, arm, abdomen, back, and left leg
Patrick Ireland - 17
• shot in the head and foot
Daniel Steepleton -17
• shot in the thigh
Makai Hall - 18
• shot in the knee
Kacey Rueqsegger - 17
• shot in the shoulder, hand, and neck
Lisa Kreutz - 18
• shot in the shoulder, hand, arms, and thigh
Valeen Schnurr - 18
• shot in the chest, arms, and abdomen
Mark Kintgen - 17
• shot in the head and shoulder
Nicole Nowlen - 16
• shot in the abdomen
Jeanna Park - 18
• shot in knee, shoulder, and foot
Jennifer Doyle - 17
• shot in the hand, leg, and shoulder
Austin Eubanks - 17
• shot in the hand and knee
Brian Anderson - 17
• hit by flying glass
Patti Nielson - 35
• hit in shoulder with shrapnel
Evan Todd - 15
• hit with splinters of of wood from desk he was under

Deaths

Rachel Scott - 17
• shot in the head, torso, and leg
Daniel Rohrbough - 15
• shot in the arm, chest, back, and abdomen
William David Sanders - 47
• shot in the back and neck and died from blood loss
Kyle Velasquez - 16
• shot in the head and back
Steven Curnow - 14
• shot in the neck
Cassie Bernall - 17
• shot in the head
Isaiah Shoels - 18
• shot in the chest
Matthew Kechter - 16
• shot in the chest
Lauren Townsend - 18
• multiple shots to the head, chest, and lower body
John Tomlin - 16
• multiple shots to the head and neck
Kelly Fleming - 16
• shot in the back
Daniel Mauser - 15
• shot in the face
Corey DePooter - 17
• shot in the chest and neck

Eric Harris - 18 (shooter)
• self-inflicted gunshot to the mouth
Dylan Klebold - 17 (shooter)
• self-inflicted gunshot to the head

The 14th Victim

On May 4, 2002 Columbine student Greg Barnes committed suicide. He was friends with victim Matthew Kechter and saw victim Dave Sanders get shot.

His death was less than 2 weeks after the 1 year anniversary of the shooting

4/20/1999 timeline:

11.10 am (approx.) - Harris parks his 1986 Honda Prelude in CHS junior  lot to southeast, Klebold parks his 1982 BMW in senior lot to southwest.

11.14 am (approx.) - Harris & Klebold plant two large duffel bags containing bombs set to go of at 11.17 am in cafeteria. Both then leave the building.

11.19 am - 911 call received reporting explosion (set up by Harris & Klebold) on Wadsworth Boulevard, between Ken Caryl and Chatfield Avenues.

11.19 am (approx.) - Harris & Klebold begin shooting at students from the top of the west exterior steps, the highest point on campus.

11.19 am (approx.) - Rachel Scott killed and Richard Castaldo injured by gunshots at the west upper entrance, near the north side of the library.

11.20 am (approx.) - Daniel Rohrbough, Sean Graves, Lance Kirklin injured by gunshots after exiting cafeteria through side door en route to ‘Smoker’s Pit’.

11.21 am (approx.) - Klebold & Harris shoot at five students on grass to west of stairs. Michael Johnson & Mark Taylor injured by gunshots whilst fleeing.

11.21 am - Deputy Paul Magor, whilst patrolling the south Jeffco area, dispatched to scene of explosion at Wadsworth Boulevard.

11.22 am (approx.) - Klebold goes down stairs to area outside cafeteria, shoots Rohrbough & Kirklin at close range. Rohrbough killed by gunshot.

11.23 am (approx.) - Klebold rejoins Harris at top of stairs after a brief trip into the cafeteria. Harris shoots at and injures Anne Marie Hochhalter.

11.22 am - School custodian begins recording again after rewinding cafeteria security footage tape at 11.14 am. Calls Deputy Neil Garnder to ‘back lot’.

11.23 am - 911 call from CHS student reports girl injured in south lower parking lot of high school. Deuputies Gardner & Magor notified. Gardner responds.

11.24 am - Dave Sanders and school custodians Jon Curtis & Jay Gallatine enter cafeteria and direct students to get down. Students hide under tables.

11.24 am - Harris & Klebold shoot at teacher Patti Nielson & student Bryan Anderson through west entrance of school. Both injured by glass fragments.

11.24 am - Harris & Klebold enter school through west entrance. Harris exits building again as Deputy Gardner arrives in response to report of injured girl.

11.24 am - Deputy Gardner parks in school’s lower south parking lot. Harris & Gardner shoot at each other, Harris then enters school through west doors.

11.24 am - Students in cafeteria escape up stairs to second level. Sanders directs students to safety, telling them to follow hallway to east exits.

11.25 am - Jeffco Sheriff’s office dispatch advises south units of situation. Patti Nielson, hiding under front counter in library, calls 911 to reports shots fired.

11.26 am - Deputies Scott Taborsky & Paul Smoker arrive on west side of school and begin to rescue wounded students on ground.

11.26 am - Harris shoots at deputies with rifle through broken window by set of double doors. Smoker fires three rounds in return, Harris leaves window.

11.26 am - Harris & Klebold walk down north main hallway whilst firing weapons. Student Stephanie Munson injured by gunshot.

11.26 am - Harris & Klebold shoot at Dave Sanders, who is in the library hallway, from the north main hallway. Sanders injured by gunshot.

11.27 am - Deputy Gardner radios Code 33  to dispatch. Deputy Magor sets up road block on Pierce Street, at southeast corner of student parking lot.

11.29 am - Harris & Klebold enter library. Both make way to west windows on opposite side of room. Kyle Velasquez killed by gunshot from Klebold.

11.30 am (approx.) - Harris & Klebold put bags on southern computer table. Both then shoot at law enforcement officers through western windows.

11.30 am (approx.) - Klebold removes trenchcoat, then opens fire at nearby table. Patrick Ireland, Daniel Steepleton & Makai Hall injured by gunshots.

11.31 am (approx.) - Harris opens fire at nearest northern table. Steve Curnow killed and Kacey Ruegsegger injured by gunshots.

11.31 am (approx.) - Harris bangs twice on southern table, bends to shoot underneath. Cassie Bernal killed by gunshot. Gun recoil breaks Harris’s nose.

11.32 am (approx.) - Ireland shot by Klebold while moving from hiding place. Isaiah Shoels & Matthew Kechter killed under eastern table by gunshots.

11.32 am (approx.) - Klebold shoots out trophy case near door. Klebold then shoots under southern table. Mark Kintgen injured by gunshot.

11.33 am (approx.) - Klebold shoots under table to his left. Lisa Kreutz & Valeen Schnurr injured, and Lauren Townsend killed by gunshots. 

11.33 am (approx.) - Nicole Nowlen & John Tomlin injured by gunshots from Harris. Klebold shoots and kills Tomlin whilst he tries to leave table.

11.33 am (approx.) - Kelly Fleming killed by gunshots from Harris. Harris fires under table housing Jeanna Park. Park injured by gunshots.

11.34 am - Harris & Klebold reload at table in middle of library. Klebold identifies and allows John Savage to leave through main entrance.

11.35 am - Daniel Mauser killed by gunshot from Harris. Harris & Klebold fire at south table. Jennifer Doyle & Austin Eubanks injured, Corey DePooter killed.

11.36 am - Harris & Klebold leave library, walk back down hall to science area. Students in the library begin to flee through northern emergency exit.

11.44 am - Harris & Klebold return to cafeteria. Harris fires from stairs at duffel bag containing bomb. Klebold tampers with something on floor to no effect.

11.46 am - Harris & Klebold leave cafeteria after trying to ignite bomb in duffel bag with smaller bombs. Small fire created, but large bombs did not go off. 

11.49 am - Harris & Klebold walk to main office area. SWAT team arrive at east side. Undersheriff Dunway arrives and allows SWAT team to enter school.

11.53 am - Harris & Klebold leave office area and walk towards art hall. Both continuously fire weapons at ceiling and building whilst walking. 

11.46 am - Harris & Klebold return to cafeteria. Fire started previously in cafeteria has now been put out by the 5 sprinklers it set off.

12.00 pm - Harris & Klebold leave cafeteria, briefly enter kitchen. Both then head back upstairs towards library. Armoured vehicle arrives outside.

12.02 pm - Harris & Klebold fire out of library broken west windows at law enforcement officers and emergency workers. SWAT team approach school.

12.04 pm - Sean Graves, Anne Marie Hochhalter, Lance Kirklin rescued by paramedics. Dan Rohrbough deemed dead and left behind.

12.06 pm (approx.) - Harris & Klebold commit suicide in library. SWAT team arrive at east main entrance. First team of five enter through southeast doors.

anonymous asked:

So apparently when E and D entered the library, a girl heard one say to the other, "Are you still with me? We're still gonna do this, right?". I've wondered who was the one to say it and i wondered your opinion on who it was? (I love your blog so much btw)

Lisa Kreutz’ (page 62 of the 11k) account: The boys entered the library and started yelling then and one said something about blowing up the library. She heard an explosion inside the library then and she heard one of the gunmen say that they hated the school and that the school had messed them up. Then the shooting began inside the library, setting the fire alarm off. The girls pulled the chairs in closer to the table to hide behind but that didn’t stop the bullets when [Dylan Klebold] began to shoot under their table. Lisa’s right wrist was grazed by a stray bullet. She heard the “Do you believe in God?” exchange between Valeen Schnurr, which occurred about the same time that [Dylan] fired again under the table where Lisa was still hiding. She was hit several times, sustaining multiple gunshot wounds to shoulder, hand and both arms. She lay bleeding in the library for 2 1/2 hours, unable to move due to the severity of her injuries, before she was rescued by officials on scene. She was the last survivor to be pulled from the library.

When the shooters entered the library she heard one say: “Are you still with me? We’re still gonna do this, right?” 

Which time the shooters entered the library- that is, when her mind recalls she heard this -  is key.  

Which boy said this really is hinged on when Lisa Kreutz actually heard the alleged question and whether her recall of precisely when she heard this is correct.  If Lisa had heard one of them say this at the start of the library massacre, while the boys were first approaching the library doors, then I believe that Eric was asking Dylan for reassurance that he was still on board with the ‘make it up as we go along Plan B’ - to continue on with their KMFDM agenda to shoot, kill, maim classmates trapped in the library. This would’ve been before Eric had broke his nose and so he would’ve still been very enthusiastic and pumped up, thirsty for kills and revenge, in addition to the mere taste of it they got outside with some potshots at students on the school grounds.   Upon entering the school, they’d stalled and dicked around in the hallway by shooting and throwing pipe bombs at lockers and walls and randomly shooting at fleeing students in an ineffective free-for-all manner. The two even separated a good bit of time. Dylan killed no one in the hall, Eric killed Dave Sanders.  So, Eric was ready to head into that library and take revenge up close and in a personal way.  Was Dylan ready for this?  Eric had to be sure he was ready for the next level of destruction that was left up to them to accomplish since the bombs hadn’t yet gone off, and might never.

Since, Lisa was heavily wounded and remained in the library somewhere near  an unconscious Patrick Ireland the entire time after all the other students fled, her recall may have been hazy as to when exactly this alleged question was posed. It’s quite possible that it occurred when the boys returned for the very last time to the library.  By then, their mindset had become more distracted and aimless after failing to make the bombs go off in the Commons.  The blood lust against classmates had fizzled and committing suicide was rapidly becoming forefront in their minds since the cops were now closing in.  If the alleged discussion had occurred the second time, the last time, they ventured to the library, I believe Dylan would have asked Eric for reassurance that he too was committed to the act of suicide because this is what Dylan wanted most of all out of that entire day.  Oh sure, the rest was the ‘have fun!’ journey but the end was his destination he so longed for.  

I do believe that Eric may have been hesitant to commit suicide at some point or another, since he was seen to be remorseful on the Basement tape videos made two and a half weeks before the incident, and in their final testament video, Eric was seen to be saying how much he would miss his boss, Bob, at Blackjack, how he would miss some special people, how he wished he could go back to Michigan and see some old friends first, and how he knew his parents would be so hurtful, and his statement of “to everyone I love, I’m sorry about all this” or something to that similar affect. Dylan, on the other hand, was on a suicide mission from the very beginning, and made his suicide a key point in NBK, more than a year prior to the incident. Eric had also wrote that he and Dylan could escape after the incident, and destroy as much as possible, move to Mexico or an island where Americans couldn’t find them, or hijack and crash a plane into New York City afterwards. His alternative exits may have been wildly far fetched fantasy but it equates to a certain amount of disbelief and hesitation that NBK was a revenge mission which could only end unequivocally in suicide - either romantically by cop as he envisioned - or by their own hand.  At the point they made their way back up to the library, Eric would have had to rapidly come to the terms that he would have to do the job for himself in their failed mission.  Even though Eric knew that he wouldn’t live after the incident, and that he eventually would go ahead and commit suicide, he didn’t make his own suicide a key part of the event, something that was absolutely necessary, while Dylan did.  It’s not likely that Dylan would have been the one to have ideas of backing out since it was his utmost goal to complete NBK for the reward of freedom that awaited him.

Anyway, that’s my take! Glad you enjoy E-C. :)