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anonymous asked:

idk if youve seen it but theres some "confession" post in the tag talking about how bucky/nat's relationship retconned nat's past. correct me if im wrong but wasn't it more like nat's past + "oh hey bucky was there too"? i cant remember what her canon was before that point but it didnt seem like it changed anything. it was more like their relationship was just added on.

Yep, I saw it and kinda rolled my eyes because that OP is clearly reacting to a telephone-chain of bad information that antis like to put out to taint everything Brubaker did with Natasha (therefore tainting all thing BuckyNat) in the minds of new fans.

Despite what some people may try to claim, Brubaker did not retcon Natasha’s backstory out of thin air just to make her Bucky girlfriend. Before Brubaker ever got to write Captain America, Natasha already had two different backstories – the Cold War spy (who may be much much older than she looks) backstory and the murder orphanage backstory. As with all things Natasha, FYBW has an in-depth write-up [Secret Origins Part 1] [Secret Origins Part 2] [Secret Origins Part 3] that I highly recommend reading, but here is a quick explanation:

Backstory 1, a.k.a. the Cold War spy backstory: So way back in 1972 (when Brubaker was all of six years old btw), Daredevil #88 laid out the groundwork for the Natasha backstory we know today – she was a war orphan that Ivan had rescued in Stalingrad, who chooses to join the KGB/becomes a Cold War spy and who later decided to defect and eventually become a superhero. Daredevil #88 came out about thirty years after the war, so the timeline made perfect sense. However, as we got further and further away from WWII, things got a little weirder. That’s when Uncanny X-Men #268 shows up in 1990. UXM #268 tells how Logan and Steve and Natasha first met in WWII:

While ignoring some of the specific details of DD #88’s timeline, UXM #268 doubles down on Natasha’s connection to WWII and is the first to suggest (but fails to explain) that Natasha is not as young as she appears to be:

The writer, Chris Claremont, left the book shortly after UXM #268, so he never went into more detail/gave any explanations for Natasha’s age. So it and the Cold War origins became a hanging plotline that more and more writers choose to ignore the further we got from the end of the Cold War and the dissolution of the Soviet Union. (Sidenote: The Red Room entered into the Black Widow mythos in 1999 with the introduction of Yelena Bolova.) Which brings us to…

Backstory 2, a.k.a. the murder orphanage retcon: 2004 was the year Marvel inflicted Richard Morgan onto Natasha, and he inflicted his murder orphanage retcon onto all of us. Morgan set out to tell a story about why sexism bad and proceeded to do so in the most mansplainy way ever with the added bonus of removing all of Natasha’s agency from her entire life. No longer did Natasha decide to join the KGB and become a spy. Nope, instead she grew up in the 1970s in a murder orphanage designed to produce perfect little spies. No longer did Natasha choose to deflect from the Soviet Union and become an Avenger. Nope, instead Nick Fury used special pheromone perfume that forced Natasha to do what he wanted. Seriously. (Keep that in mind next time these people try to claim that Brubaker retconned Natasha’s history just for Bucky’s dick. Because what they’re trying to do is convince people a gross AU retcon from a decade ago is Natasha’s ‘real’ origin story.)

SO!

Moving on to 2007 and Ed Brubaker’s run on Captain America. In an interview following the release of Captain America #27, he states:

In the Winter Soldier origin issue, which is in my second Cap trade, we show the history and the timeline, and in the late ‘50s and early ‘60s he was deep in Department X. That was an actual Soviet special section during the Cold War, where they did their experimental stuff, like brainwashing and the like. So, when I was researching it, it occurred to me that the Red Room program would have been attached to Department X, and that if the Black Widow was being trained in the late ‘50s and early ‘60s, they probably met. [X]

Brubaker either didn’t know about or actively chose to ignore a three-year-old recon, and decided to go back to Backstory 1 because it worked with the story he was trying to tell. The only thing he actually retconned was the ‘fact’ Natasha had a secret relationship with the Winter Soldier for a short time in the late 1950s. So basically all Brubaker did was bring the unaging Cold War spy backstory back into play (with a tiny extra dash of tragic romance), which was then followed by Cornell and Liu who each filled in details and shaped it into the backstory we know today.

  • “He just showed up out of nowhere?”
  • “Is he in there?”
  • “Have you taken the necessary precautions?”
  • “I don’t like this…”
  • “This guy ever do anything like this before?”
  • “You have no dog in this fight, as the saying goes.”
  • “I don’t think anybody wants that.”
  • “What do you want from me exactly?”
  • “I want you to listen to what I have to say and decide for yourself if it’s true.”
  • “I come bearing gifts.”
  • “You said you checked him!”
  • “I’m not here to hurt you.”
  • “I think you know that my intel on this is solid.”
  • “People on the street love him.”
  • “You’re not telling us anything we don’t know.”
  • “They’re broken.”
  • “That seems to have gotten your attention.”
  • “One minute he’s human, the next, mutant.”
  • “I didn’t do anything!”
  • “Just keep walking.”
  • “And you have the right to get your damn hands off him.”
  • “That means back away from the mutant, guys.”
  • “We need backup, now!”
  • “How–How did you find me?”
  • “I’m here to help you.”
  • “We should leave.”
  • “You don’t feel that?”
  • “Wh–what is happening to me?”
  • “We’re being hunted.”
  • “You’re the one talking trash on the TV.”
  • “You dared them to come after us.”
  • “This is too much for them.”
  • “I’ve kinda got my hands full.”
  • “No! You need me here.”
  • “Do we go? Do we stay? What’s the plan?!”
  • “Those days are behind me.”
  • “I’ll just have to be more precise.”
  • “What I’m describing to you is what you call a lucky shot.”
  • “He has no control over them.”
  • “That felt good.”
  • “Wait, you’re–you’re taking me somewhere?”
  • “That didn’t scare the holy bejeebus out of you?”
  • “There’s no place for you here anymore.”
  • “It’s cool, kid. We’re going somewhere safe.”
  • “That’s your plan?”
  • “No one’s trying to kill anybody.”
  • “Sentinels don’t grow on trees.”
  • “He’s a broken man.”
  • “I’m forced to live the rest of my life a pale reflection of my former self.”
  • “It won’t take much and it won’t take long.”
  • “I’m here to help you make this happen.”
  • “The quiet is going to drive me insane.”
  • “Now it’s all gone.”
  • “Don’t dance with fire and you won’t get burned.”
  • “I want to blame her for everything.”
  • “I have no one to blame but myself.”
  • “I betrayed him.”
  • “I deserve this.”
  • “How much did you hear?”
  • “Maybe it’s good news.”
  • “We have to start from scratch.”
  • “No one will help us.”
  • “We’ll help each other.”
  • “What do you want to know?”
  • “That actually seems like an honest answer.”
  • “I think you hate yourself so much that you can’t imagine anyone not hating you.”
  • “We tried everything else.”
  • “Are you going to stay?”
  • “Everybody’s waiting inside.”
  • “Are you guys back together?”
  • “Thank the Dark Lords.”
  • “She scares the hell out of me.”
  • “She’s been through a lot.”
  • “We’ve all been through a lot.”
  • “I liked being there because it was safe.”
  • “You know it’s for the best.”
  • “Where did those things come from?”
  • “They track us and they attack us.”
  • “That’s what they do. That is ALL they do.”
  • “They were all over us.”
  • “I’m kind of freaking out.”
  • “It’s okay to be a little freaked out.”
  • “How come none of the others are freaking out?”
  • “Show them. Show them everything.”
  • “This is the best news our people have had in years.”
  • “You’re part of something bigger than yourself.”
  • “Feels pretty good, right?”
  • “The future is in your hands.”
  • “Will I ever see them again?”
  • “You’re not being held hostage.”
  • “Hell yes! This is awesome.”
  • “That’s easy for you to say!”
  • “Just close your eyes and concentrate.”
  • “What’s he going to do?”
  • “Where are we exactly?”
  • “Words mean something.”
  • “Everything about your life now has changed.”
  • “Change is terrifying. I should know.”
  • “What I wouldn’t give to live a normal life.”
  • “None of us will ever have normal.”
  • “She’s the smart one.”
  • “Please don’t call me that, it will stick.”
  • “When are things going to calm down?”
  • “The authorities will be looking for you.”
  • “Calm yourself.”
  • “If we can help, we will.”
  • “Whoa! How do you do that?”
  • “Is she joking?”
  • “I’ve never heard her joke.”
  • “You won’t have much time.”
  • “You’re probably going there anyway.”
  • “No, boy…I would BREAK you.”
  • “Keep an eye out.”
  • “I thought you were dead!”
  • “They saved me.”
  • “We were able to help her.”
  • “We’re not ready.”
  • “We’re nowhere near ready for this.”
  • “You’re next.”
  • “The man/woman I most admire in the entire world is ______.”
  • “Everybody loves the Avengers.”
  • “I don’t think I would handle it well.”
  • “I think I would freak out.”
  • “That seems pretty lazy.”
  • “You are coming with us.”
  • “I don’t think that’s going to happen.”
  • “I don’t think “wow” sufficiently covers it.”
  • “I’m trying not to look him right in the eye.”
  • “I can’t stop looking him in the eye.”
  • “Now I can’t stop.”
  • “Why is he wearing armor?”
  • “That makes no sense.”
  • “You have a lot to answer for.”
  • “I’d really like to hear this.”
  • “Take responsibility for the things that you’ve done!”
  • “I did! I made a mistake and I fixed it.”
  • “Now it’s your turn to take responsibility.”
  • “Could you give us a minute?”
  • “I want you to be ready.”
  • “Did he actually call a time-out?”
  • “First of all, you couldn’t kill him.”
  • “Well, whatever you’re about to do, you can’t do it dressed like that.”
  • “You know I respect you.”
  • “Can’t we just do t his calmly? Nicely?”
  • “He wants to charge me with murder “nicely”?”
  • “You act like we are running around looking for a fight!”
  • “We’re trying to help our people.”
  • “If you are a mutant in this world, you are guilty until proven innocent.”
  • “They will do everything they can to knock you down.”
  • “Well, that’s just a big pile of shit.”
  • “I am not going to have my people treated that way!”
  • “Shame on you for not seeing that!”
  • “Shame on you, _____.”
  • “By doing nothing, you are as guilty as the worst one of them.”
  • “There is a real problem on this planet and every new mutant that pops up s hines a real spotlight on it.”
  • “If you think for a second that I’m going to back down from helping my people…”
  • “You have to understand we live in a world where people fear things they don’t understand.”
  • “I don’t care what you think you know.”
  • “My people need help and they need it all over the world.”
  • “You can get the hell out of my way.”
  • “No one is trying to kill you.”
  • “You don’t bring a Hulk for nothing.”
  • “Avengers…go to hell.”
  • “Go to hell.”
  • “What did you just do?!”
  • “Well done, young one. You get to pick dinner.”
  • “She did that?”
  • “That is impressive.”
  • “You see what they are capable of?!”
  • “These are the best of the best.”
  • “Even they won’t fight for us or let us fight for ourselves.”
  • “No one else is going to do it for us, we have to fight for ourselves.”
  • “If you need help, we will be there to help you.”
  • "We will fight for you too.”
  • “The fight is coming to you.”
  • “How do you think you’ll do?”
  • “Are they going to be stuck like that forever?”
  • “I’m sure they’ll be fine once we leave.”
  • “You’re leaving again?”
  • “I don’t know where you are.”
  • “See how easy that will be?”
  • “Did I do something wrong?”
  • “Did I do this to you?”
  • “That’s not what I mean.”
  • “Maybe if I went to church.”
  • “Don’t say stuff like that.”
  • “She’s very talented.”
  • “You’re a lucky woman.”
  • “Don’t sell my stuff.”
  • “You held it together like pros.”
  • “What was that?!”
  • “Don’t be so impressed, kid.”
  • “They wanted to arrest you or take you down.”
  • “They knew we were coming.”
  • “No giant mutant-killing robots this time, so there’s that.”
  • “They don’t stake out. They’re the response team.”
  • “We didn’t even know we were going until we decided to go.”
  • “Someone told them we were coming.”
  • “Let’s have this conversation outside.”
  • “I’m about to lose it.”
  • “How could you?”
  • “What is happening?”
  • “I’m not sure, but I think the old guy set us up.”
  • “We were victims.”
  • “They are the United States government and I don’t believe them.”
  • “I want to know exactly who is to blame and where they are.”
  • “Of course they would never trust me.”
  • “I had to give them something.”
  • “When were you going to fill us in on this little side project of  yours?”
  • “This is so much better than Netflix.”
  • “This is unacceptable.”
  • “I think it’s best that you leave.”
  • “No…it’s pretty much brilliant.”
  • “If I told you before now, you would’ve blown my cover.”
  • “Now they know they can trust me.”
  • “We have to do things as a team.”
  • “You keep referring to yourself as our leader but I don’t remember voting.”
  • “I think you’re only telling us this now because a child could figure out it was you who sold us out.”
  • “They are looking to destroy us.”
  • “We have to do things they don’t expect.”
  • “We have to surprise even ourselves.”
  • “I think, all things considered, this went very well.”
  • “I have no idea how I did that.”
  • “What do I do here?”
  • “What do I do with him?”
  • “You should go with this.”
  • “I don’t need him to exact my revenge on you.”
  • “We’re going to be famous.”
  • “Seems like a wasted opportunity.”
  • “We should be doing something with it.”
  • “We can clog all the toilets and switch their underwear drawers.”
  • “You’re leaving us here by ourselves?”
  • “Where are you going?”
  • “To me, my X-Men.”