Jon Lannister - Sansa and Tyrion’s firstborn, named after King Jon of Houses Targaryen and Stark. Jon Lannister is a brave young man with his father’s sense of humor (and curly golden hair lol). He’s a skilled warrior like his uncle Jamie was. Sansa raised him to be everything she ever wanted in a man once. And he is everything Tyrion dreamed to be when he was a child. Jon is called a Golden Heir of House Lannister. People from the Westerlands are very proud of him. He is popular in the Riverlands also.
Catelyn and Joanna Lannister - the red-haired twins. While Catelyn is this perfect young lady like her mother is and her grandmother was, Joanna is “little Arya”. The girls are good to each other and they don’t fight that often (though Joanna fights a lot with their little brother Rickon). Cat has a little crush on Targaryen prince (but don’t say anyone).
Rickon Lannister - Youngest child. Rickon is bookish, shy and reserved young man (when he’s not arguing with Joanna). He is very intelligent and has a great political mind. He doesn’t understand, but women find him very attractive. Sounds familiar?
The mother heard her. Somehow the queen’s voice cut through the woman’s ravaged wits. Her slack face twisted in loathing. “Whore!” she shrieked. “Kingslayer’s whore!Brotherfucker!” Her dead child dropped from her arms like a sack of flour as she pointed at Cersei. “Brotherfucker brotherfucker brotherfucker.” - Tyrion IX, ACoK
“M’lady,” said the big man. “Here she is.” “Aye,” added the one-eyed man. “The Kingslayer’s whore.” She flinched. “Why would you call me that?” “If I had a silver stag for every time you said his name, I’d be as rich as your friends the Lannisters.” “That was only … you do not understand …” “Don’t we, though?” The big man laughed. “I think we might. There’s a stink of lion about you, lady.” - Brienne VIII, AFfC
— This is about the oldest Sansa is supposed to look in text.
Sansa is eleven when:
She is betrothed to Joffrey
When the Trident Fight happens
When her father literally kills the symbolic representation of her soul (and possible psychological/spiritual twin) because of a fight other people had
When she gets drunk for the first time
When her father first lets her outside the city limits with no one but another eleven year old girl and Septa Mordane for a guard
Sandor Clegane first threatens her life (an incident that came about prompted by her paying him a compliment)
Sansa is twelve when:
She begs for her father’s life
She watches him die
She is made a prisoner of war
She is beaten regularly
She is nearly gangraped by a mob
Sandor Clegane sneaks into her room drunk off of his ass, forces her onto a bed, holds a knife to her throat, threatens her life again, and nearly rapes her
She feels the need to sneak out at night with a knife under her cloak to go meet with a drunk knight she isn’t sure she can trust
People start commenting on/staring at her boobs A LOT. (Sandor, the seamstresses, Tyrion, every man at court, random stable boys, Myranda Royce)
She is stripped and beaten in front of the court
She is threatened and is practically dragged to the Sept to marry Tyrion, an event she doesn’t know about until she is in the damn wedding dress. She is told she’s going to be “wedded and bedded” regardless of what she wants.
She is molested by Joffrey in front of a crowd
She is threatened with rape by Joffrey
Tyrion molests her
She is thirteen when:
She learns she’s basically lost her entire family to her husband’s family
She is unwittingly implicated in a regicide plot
She is taken into the custody of the most prolific pimp in Westeros, a man who sold her best friend into sexual slavery, first to a brothel, then to Ramsay Bolton
She becomes a fugitive from the law, entirely reliant on said pimp, who is responsible for her fugitive status
Marillion tries to rape her
Petyr kisses her without her permission (sexual assault)
Lysa tries to kill her for said sexual assault
A sick little boy starts trying to suck on her boobs in the middle of the night
Her captor/”father” starts prompting further kisses from her and has her sit in his lap while he promises her gifts
Just feel like people need to keep this all in mind. Because it seems like people are really into either a) shaming/judging Sansa for the way she copes or b) romanticizing and/or eroticizing certain relationships that are inflicted upon an underage girl by much older men. And I don’t even mean as shipping. I’m not talking about fanfiction or people thinking that Sansa and this person might make a good pair eventually or something.
I mean like, people who try to justify the textual stuff and pretend it’s not problematic, assault, or exploitative. Shipping is one thing, but trying to argue that there’s nothing wrong in text about what transpires between Sansa and person a, b, or c is a whole other matter entirely.
Furthermore, I’m really, REALLY getting sick of people seeing Sansa as “learning to manipulate men through her sexuality”. I’ve seen several people ACTUALLY CLAIM that “using her sexuality to influence men” is the “ONLY CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT” SHE GOES THROUGH.
She’s a little girl who has gone through a process of rapid sexual abuse and grooming. SHE IS NOT A TEMPTRESS OR SEX KITTEN. NONE OF THE SEXUAL CONTACT SHE’S HAD HAS BEEN CONSENSUAL. SHE IS SEXUALIZED FROM AGE ELEVEN.
These arguments are the same sort of thing I’ve seen from people who want to claim Lolita is sexy. Lolita is about a girl who gets coerced, imprisoned, and raped by her step-father.
Sansa’s story is not sexy (at least not thus far), it is the worst type of sexual. It is overwhelmingly traumatic for someone so young. It is purposely an inversion/deconstruction of romance and eroticism.
…. Also, stop expecting a highly sheltered 11-13 year old to process trauma and abuse like an adult.
Tyrion Lannister deserves a woman like Sansa Stark and Sansa Stark deserves a man like Tyrion Lannister.
With Sanrion there’s no lies, no killing of each others families, no creepy “you look like your mom” things, and no cousin incest, or any other kind of incest.
So what if he’s a dwarf? He’s still handsome. So what if he’s older? Ramsay was young, Joffrey was young, were they good to Sansa? No.
Tyrion is the best for her, he respects her, he thinks that she’s beautiful, but he never forced himself on her or kissed her without her permission. Also, Tyrion saw Sansa’s intelligence and strength, when everyone else called her “little bird” .. So, yeah, Tyrion saw true Sansa and admired her, just like Sansa saw that Tyrion is not like other Lannisters. He protected her, she supported him (watch Joffrey’s wedding scene again if you don’t know what I’m talking about) They are both good, intelligent, brilliant people, who deserve only the best, and right now, they are the best characters in Game of Thrones.
With all the talk always being about who Sansa will marry, do you think her destiny was always about marriage? Everyone debates about who Sansa's perfect man is, whether it's Sandor, Petyr, Tyrion, or Jon--her fate is always tied to a man or loving or being loved by a man.
I think it’s in the way Sansa is written.
“Who is she going to marry” is, after all, not just a shipping issue but also a political question likely to impact the overall plot in significant ways, given that Sansa is currently the key to a few crucial regions of Westeros, at least until Bran and Rickon reenter the picture.
But more importantly, Sansa inspires a romantic reading of her storyline because romanticism is at the core of her character, in her personality, in her dreams and aspirations and in the tropes she represents. She’s a deconstruction/reconstruction of every princess from every fairytale, but with a great deal of depth and introspection that makes her akin to the most famous romantic heroines of modern and contemporary literature. Despite being conventionally pretty, after her fall of grace she’s often derided for her meekness or otherwise underestimated, leading to a dramatic disconnection between how she’s perceived and her hidden strength and intelligence, which is a romantic trope largely used in young adult fiction and makes the reader wonder which male character will have the privilege and the intuition to go past her walls and see her inner world, what she really is.
She always stirs deep and complex emotions in the men who closely interact with her—empathy and compassion mixed with anger and shame and a desire to be seen in Sandor and Tyrion, cruelty and sadism in Joffrey, a compulsion to possess and maneuver her in Petyr—and she’s changed in return. It’s not surprising that readers have latched on one or more of these romantic threads and want them to come to fruition.
Do you think Tywin would've preferred to have lost ALL THREE of his children, even his precious Jaime, than to have lost Joanna?
What if Tyrion had been born a “normal”, tall able-bodied man just like
Jaime, but Joanna had still died giving birth to him. Would Tywin’s
feelings of hate, anger and bitterness towards his youngest son and
child have any different at all? Would Cersei’s feelings about her
brother had been any different?
Would Tywin have considered Kevan a friend the same way Aerys and
Steffon once were to him? There relationship always seemed more like one
of slave (Kevan) and master (Tywin), rather than an actual friendship?
is it possible that Tywin Lannister (given his EXTREMELY likely
predilection for ladies of the night) wasn’t a virgin when he got
married to Joanna? He seems like the sort of person that’s extremely
awkward about women and sex, but on the other hand he is a MAN.
Lot of Tywin questions. When it comes to Tywin questions, especially in thoughts and philosophy, I would direct you to @joannalannister. The only thing I will say is that the relationship between Tywin and Kevan wasn’t master and slave, but rather superior and subordinate. There are a lot of differences between the two.
“Oh, I think that Lord Tyrion is quite a large man,” Maester Aemon said from the far end of the table. He spoke softly, yet the high officers of the Night’s Watch all fell quiet, the better to hear what the ancient had to say. “I think he is a giant come among us, here at the end of the world.”