tw 4x06

anonymous asked:

Hello! I was hoping maybe you know the answer to my queston (or theory). it's not anything big, but I was curous about why Derek's eyes were so firmily on Stiles, while there were literal wonder happening. Like shouldn't he look at Brett guy instead? You can see it here quite clearly here hoechlder(.)tumblr(.)com/post/93207798472. Even light, I think, is meant to empathise something. But I don't really understand what's so important here. And light is important, Jeff once said, right?

Firstly here’s a link to the gifset

I think the answer might tie into the conversation and other things going on in that scene. Let’s ask ourselves the always important question of WHY WAS THIS SCENE INCLUDED?

Stiles: What the hell is happening to this kid? 
Deaton: He’s been poisoned by a rare wolfsbane. I need to make an incision and you need to hold him as still as possible. 
Stiles: Hey, Derek, how about a little werewolf strength? 
Derek: Yeah, I’m not the only one here with werewolf strength. 
Deaton: If you can’t hold him still, the incision might kill him. 
Stiles: Derek, he’s slipping. I don’t think I can hold him. Ah! 
Peter: I guess I still have a little werewolf strength myself. 
Derek: Yeah, maybe more than a little. 
Stiles: Hey, Doc, I don’t think he’s breathing. Is he okay? 
Deaton: I think he’ll be fine, but probably out for a while. 
Stiles: Guys, can you hear that? I think he’s saying something. 
Brett: The sun… The moon… The truth… The sun… The moon… The truth… 
Deaton: Three things cannot long be hidden. The sun, the moon, and the truth. It’s Buddhist. 
Peter: Satomi.


This scene gives us both overt and subvert information 

  • How to get the rare wolsbane poison out of a body
  • Peter is strong again. He’s been saying that he’s physically weak since he came back from the dead, in fact he’s taken great care to repeat it several times. This raises the question of HOW he got his strength back and so suddenly.
  • The Satomi buddist mantra is repeated, this will become important later in the season, so great reminder.
  • Derek is losing his strength. His cuts heal more slowly. Stiles clearly notices
  • Derek’s cryptic “I’m not the only one here with werewolf strength” that I believe is at least partly in reference to Stiles, who is managing to hold Brett down rather well considering he’s a werewolf with panic and spasms and Derek is losing his powers. 

I think Derek is perhaps one of the few who has actually noticed that Stiles is stronger than you would expect from a human. They have not spent all that much time together lately (that we know of) and in this scene Stiles comments and notices Derek’s diminishing strength and for the first time Derek actually somewhat cryptically addresses Stiles’ increasing strength. Stiles reaction when he says that is very telling. 

The wonderfully clever, and yet sometimes also frustrating thing about TW is that the dialogue is so layered. We can watch a scene and think we understand what just happened and then you sit down and watch it again and really pay attention to what is said, and it can turn out that it’s worded in such a way that you might not have understood it the right way after all. Or maybe there isn’t a right way - perhaps both ways are true. 

So stiles is slightly baffled that Derek is struggling to hold Brett down. In fact they’re showing about equal strength in this scene. And Derek isn’t fully human yet, he’s just a bit drained at this stage. So this serves to make Stiles aware that all is not well with Derek.

That is the first layer of this scene.

The second alludes to Stiles, but it’s shown indirectly with Derek’s choice of words and hidden behind the easy assumption that he’s referring to Brett. Which of course he also is…. Confused yet? :)  When Stiles requests werewolf strength Derek’s reply is “I’m not the only one here with werewolf strength” which leaves it ambiguous to whom he’s referring.

The obvious interpretation is Brett. But if so why no just say that - “He’s got werewolf strength too”  making it 100 % clear that he’s referring to Brett and not Stiles. But by choosing “I’m not the only one” that leaves three other people in the room to choose from. And he could also mean more than one, as in both Brett and Stiles. We just don’t know. We can’t really be sure. But there’re also the looks exchanged that speak volumes…

And the way Derek barks out “werewolf strength” you can almost hear the sarcastic quote marks.

Remember Derek has been present for a few of Stiles’ show of strength before, and he seems to be the only one (aside from Peter) who keeps an eye on Stiles when shit is going down. 

I seriously googled how to make your bat splinter into a million pieces by hitting something hard, and it’s next to impossible… 

I also googled how long can you thread water while wearing clothes, shoes and holding someone up who’s unable to help in any way. The answer is a depressingly short time. 

In this scene Derek wants Stiles to come and hold down a werewolf who’s about to experience the worst pain he’s ever felt.

It takes two werewolves to hold down the top of Isaac but Stiles is perfectly capable to hold down his feet while Deaton watches the proceedings all zen-like. 

I think the end of the scene where Derek just stares at Stiles mostly in wonder is just that. To Derek the most fascinating thing in that room is Stiles - the person who’s his anchor, and trumps both suspicious uncle and close-to-death teenager.

The lightning is also important in TW. I can’t remember if Jeff or someone else has said this outright, but we’ve tracked the various kids of lightning used in different scenes throughout the series and there is a pattern. Scenes are usually white, gold, blue or turquoise in color, and each convey certain emotions. I won’t get into that in this meta, but I know others have written about it before, but unfortunately I can’t see to find it. 

In this scene what we do notice is the light behind Derek that shines very deliberately onto Stiles. The light beams go out in many directions, but they never reach Deaton, but it’s a direct line between Derek and Stiles. 

In the first one here Derek looks at his arm where the wound heals, albeit slower than usual. His focus is then on Stiles for the rest of the scene. It’s like he’s really seeing him here - like all doubt has been erased. 

I might be reading to much into things as usual. 

Or maybe not

The two gifs above belongs to hoechlder 

hero-complex-girl  asked:

Hi there! I've just recently discovered your blog and all of your metas are very interesting to me, and now I have a question of my own. Perhaps you've answered it before, so sorry if you have, but the other day I was thinking back to season 4. Do you recall that scene where Derek and Stiles are holding down Brett on that table in Deaton's office (or wherever it was), and Stiles says something like, "this would be easier if you used your wolf powers" and then Derek looks at him and says

ask cont. (sorry, ran out of room to type) but anyways, Derek looks back at Stiles and says something, “I’m not the only one here with powers.” Well, I remember when I first watched it I was really confused because he was speaking directly to Stiles. He could have easily said something like “Bretts got powers too” or “He’s also a werewolf if you haven’t noticed.” However, I remember thinking to myself, “Is he talking about Stiles? Does Stiles have the power?” I mean, by that point Derek was losing his own powers fairly quick, but they still seemed to be doing an ok job holding him down, even if Derek’s strength was diminishing. So I was just curious about what you thought of that scene? Do you think I’m looking too much into it, or do you think maybe Derek was hinting that Stiles was the other one with abilities? Haha, I feel kind of crazy for asking that, but I just wanted to know if I was the only person thinking it had a double meaning or not…

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I think that scene holds a wealth of clues just like you point out. One of the things that TW and Jeff Davis does very very well is dialogue. Clever wording that makes you at first think it means something - you assume, just like the characters do. And then when you stop and really think about it, the meaning can be double, or they’re not really saying what we think they’re saying.

i wish i had bookmarked it, but i remember reading or watching an interview where they talked about adlibbing in Teen Wolf. Surprisingly there is very little of it. Dylan is one of the very few who gets to do that, but even he has to also film the scene exactly like Jeff wrote it in addition. sometimes he adds stuff, like the sourwolf thing and they include it, but it’s never anything major. One of the characters that never deviates from script is Scott. This tells me that dialogue is super important in Teen Wolf. It holds a well of clues.

This is the exact dialogue from the scene:

Stiles: What the hell is happening to this kid?
Deaton: He’s been poisoned by a rare wolfsbane. I need to make an incision and you need to hold him as still as possible.
Stiles: Hey, Derek, how about a little werewolf strength?
Derek: Yeah, I’m not the only one here with werewolf strength.
Deaton: If you can’t hold him still, the incision might kill him.
(Brett grunting)
Stiles: Derek, he’s slipping. I don’t think I can hold him.
Peter: Ah! I guess I still have a little werewolf strength myself.
Derek: Yeah, maybe more than a little.

Like you said - Derek could’ve easily said “So does Brett” or some variation thereof - instead we get the line “Yeah, I’m not the only one here with werewolf strength” which it’s easy to assume means Brett, but notice how Derek is looking directly at Stiles when he says this.

And Stiles’ reaction is interesting as well - he looks scared almost in a “shit what do you know” kind of way.

I do believe Derek is one of the few who might suspect that Stiles is more than we assume - and this is the closest he’s ever been to mentioning this.

This post by metamewrong just entered my dash relating to this exact same thing - Stiles does in many instances show remarkable strength for a simple human. He also heals fast - haven’t you noticed how he’s never bruised or hurt? the only time i can think of we’ve seen him hurt is when Gerard beat him in s2  and he crashed the car in the s3a finale. I’m finding new instances of him getting hit in the face and never having so much as bruise to show for it… hmmmmmm