anonymous asked:

A lot of people praise the Pain arc for the fights and Pain himself for his ideology and being an actual foil to Naruto. Are their any highlights and downsides of the Pain arc that you've addressed before? (Sorry for the barrage of questions, I just love hearing what you have to say!)

Pain arc started ok, had a good middle then pretty much went to hell with the Ame orphans flashback.

Like most things in Naruto, the flashback sounded good but the execution was dreadful.

Nagato’s backstory included dead parents, a dead puppy and a dead friend, he was behind the death of who knows how many people, including the man that had been his teacher (which could have been interesting if Kishimoto had used this as Nagato wanting revenge for Jiraiya abandoning him and his friends, but that was barely explored). You’d think that somebody like him would be hard to convert… then Naruto reads him some self insert badfic and he’s “ur right mate, i was so wrong let’s be besties also i’ll go die now”. Then he uses phoenix down on the people he killed, nobody dies and the emotional punch is gone.

Konan is… a female character in Naruto so I should have known better than to expect anything. Her life revolved around her male teammates from her first to her last panel. She easily forgave Naruto for killing the friend she had followed to hell and back, then went back to Rain to make things better for peopl… HA no not really she went to prepare a super trap for Tobidara that didn’t work because ha ha you think Kishi is gonna let a girl defeat an Uchihahaha, good joke. For some reason she didn’t destroy Nagato’s eyes knowing Tobidara rly rly wanted them for rly rly bad stuff but I guess lack of common sense is mandatory if you wanna apply to Akatsuki.

Ironically, since Yahiko died pretty early in his freedom fighter career, there wasn’t much left to ruin, unless you count his body spending the next 20 sth years as the walking dead doing the bidding of the traumatized friends he had tried so hard to protect.

As for Pain/Nagato’s ideology… it… yeah, it was kinda silly, I think Danzou was a much better foil for Naruto.

The invasion itself was a waste, way to have several villains your secondary characters can fight and… only using like three characters.

Still, there were some good things in the arc, the Pain vs Jiraiya fight, the aftermath of his death, Tsunade being a boss and saving the village, Hinata’s confession (though that had its own issues), 6tailed Naruto kicking Pain’s ass, the village finally aknowledging Naruto, Sakura and Hinata proving people that think they hate each other wronggggg.


I’m still salty abour what he did to Madara. He was the perfect villain to end the series with! AND HE RUINED IT!!!


TBH I’m so old school that I still mourn the end of ‘tobidara’ theories, 

I mean, it was hard to lose the first impression I had of Madara but still I learned to love the character as he was and Kishi made such a great job tbh setting him up…

He was lurking in the plot since the beginning, I mean… I couldn’t find this one in English but you know what I mean.

From his first appearance.. he was a legend, a mystery. He had a fucking statue to him, it was connected to the plot in many interesting ways and made he ‘lurk’ behind many themes such as the sharingan, the Uchiha and Konoha’s founding itself… even the Kyuubi! 

He was sort of connected to the story, in ways that Kaguya never dreamed to be.

Then came Itachi’s hype.. just making this mysterious character appear as more and more interesting…

Every time anyone talked about him it had that tone, it was extremely awesome to collect every piece of information we had of him, I mean he was a shadow of the past or noise in the background but everyone sort of knew one day he would come into play with the main characters..

One way or another, in the end it was the epic moment where he was revived.. just to see this little panel with his glove many went batshit crazy (I remember the day like yesterday!). We knew he was there to completely wreak havoc and so he did… in one of the best chapters ever done by Kishi.

To me he was like a fragment of the past, something that would one day be revealed… and when he finally was it was awesome.

He was up to the legendary status, a true force to be reckoned with..

Until then it was masterfully worked by Kishi. He was an interesting entertaining antagonist. I can say it was okay until Kaguya was still a legendary goddess, I like her like that. We had some nice moments even as far as Madara senin happened and all the legend around Indra and Ashura…

A nice picture was drawing in, something that would tie all loose ends and finish the work in a satisfying way.

But what happened after… I will never understand why he simply tossed Madara away… it was really weird, setting up an antagonist for hundreds of chapters to give him such a sorry end in the climax of his story…

It wasn’t just a defeat. Defeat is expected to any antagonist in this manga, no matter how awesome they are.. but any thread connected to him such as Izuna and his resemblance to Sasuke was completely forgotten, I don’t get this why plant evidence and foreshadowing to never use it? The pre Konoha characters were forgotten as a whole.

He deserved better, his storyline was trashed in the worst way possible, his legacy was shat on by Kishi… much worse than any defeat I could have imagined.. even being an antagonist he deserved better respect from the new generation and Kishi himself, for the huge importance his character had for more than half of the story… I would expect at least a simple flashback in his demise? Was that too much to ask?

I seriously wonder what happened to Kishi… if he was forced by any editor wanting a ‘badass female villain’ it worked very badly. In the end all of his manga was a mess and years later people still don’t accept certain things he did, but it saddens me how the whole character of Madara and pre Konoha in general was ruined by Kishi.

Nowadays I just go along and pretend none of this happened… as far as I’m concerned he’s still out there wreaking the shinobi alliance and the moon plan succeeded xD

Naruto villians
  • orochimaru
  • orochimaru with no arms
  • akatsuki
  • itachi 
  • tobidara
  • madaribito
  • kabutorochimaru
  • madara and obito
  • obito sage man
  • madara sage man uchiha
  • someone’s mom
  • sasuke’s bad eye