tobho mott

dhandelion  asked:

What do you think is Arya's current (at the end of ADWD I mean) state of mind about Gendry ? Because I know she thinks he abandonned her but she also think about him when she's about to enter the House of Black and White... (Basically I want a little bit of Gendrya from you ! =D)

Always happy to do some Gendry/Arya writing ;-)

Arya thinks Gendry abandoned her, that’s the most important thing to remember. In ADWD (and really post-end of ASoS,) Arya is attempting to not think about anyone who she’s loved and lost (be it because of death or abandonment.)

Gendry is someone lost to Arya in her mind. She really misunderstands his feelings for her and motivations. This is in a large part due to her perspective on the world and upbringing.

Arya never saw Gendry as anything less than an equal. He was a bastard, but so is Jon. And Jon is the person Arya misses most in the world. When Arya gets mad at him, calls him names or whatever, it’s always because he’s done something to upset her. She never looks down on him. Why would she? From Mycah the butcher’s boy to pretty much everyone lowborn she saw at Winterfell (she played with their children, created names for their babies, was doted on by their mothers, and listened to their fathers,) Arya has always lived as a person who didn’t judge someone based on the status of their birth.

…but she’s pretty much the only one in the series.

I’ve talked a bit about Gendry and his representation. The truth is that Gendry is one of the lowest ranking characters in the series- NW recruit turned outlaw, bastard, uneducated, ect. And his entire life has been a series of insults and decisions made on his behalf because of it. It’s heavily implied that Gendry doesn’t have any friends before Arya, he’s described as sullen and quiet, reserved and anti-social. Tobho Mott even mentions that kids mocked him and he got in physical altercations over it.

Imagine how much it must destroy him to make a friend, someone he considers himself a team with, only to discover that she is just another thing his status will prevent him from having. He’s terrified when he learns Arya’s highborn. He makes multiple digs about it, which allows the reader to know that it bothers him. These only become more pronounced once people (the BWB) start treating Arya like a highborn.

For Gendry, it must be so strange- the first person to really value him, treat him like someone precious and worthy and not expendable, is the exact kind of person that he has grown to resent. Arya is about as high class as they come, she’s a lady of a great house at least and a princess at most.

Gendry can’t handle his emotions, he’s maybe 15 at this point, and takes to responding in ways that only serve to confuse and upset Arya more. He claims he wants to sleep with Bella, he stares at her for things beyond her control (like Hoster Tully’s choices,) he yells at her about her/his status, he makes comments about her father/Jon, ect.

Most importantly, he joins the Brotherhood Without Banners- who Arya already feels betrayed by because of Harwin and is holding her captive. 

Arya sees Gendry coming with her and serving Robb as a way of the two of them to be together, be friends. Gendry knows better than to assume a guy like him can really be friends with a girl like Arya. Their statuses just forbid it. And while Arya was known to befriend and play with those of lower status in Winterfell, A) Gendry doesn’t know that, and B) that doesn’t apply here much.

Everything had changed since then. Arya was growing older, Robb had betrothed her to Elmar, the war and change in power (Ned vs. Robb) is also noteworthy. Moreover, playing with lowborn children has nothing on Arya’s relationship with Gendry. They slept next to each other, wrestled, spent all their time together for months, hell, Arya’s seen Gendry completely undressed before. 

Anyway, Arya doesn’t really understand Gendry’s mindset, so Arya interprets Gendry’s actions as not liking her or wanting to spend time with her. Remember, Arya has very low self-esteem and doesn’t believe people value her the way she is. 

Hot Pie and Gendry had left her just as soon as they could…

None of them wanted her around. They were never my pack, not even Hot Pie and Gendry. I was stupid to think so, just a stupid little girl, and no wolf at all. Arya, ASoS

It’s a very unfortunate misunderstanding- especially given that we know Gendry is very upset over her loss. 

As a result, Arya is blocking thoughts of Gendry out. Every time he comes up in her thoughts post-separation, she quickly changes the trajectory of her thoughts, talks herself out of thinking of him. The above example is after she thinks this:

Anguy would teach her to use a bow, and she could ride with Gendry and be an outlaw, like Wenda the White Fawn in the songs.

But that was just stupid, like something Sansa might dream.  

She romanticizes spending time with Gendry (like something “Sansa might dream”) then reminds herslef that it was “stupid” and proceeds to remind herself of Gendry’s abandonment. In fact, the example you’ve given (of when she’s about to enter the HoBaW) is another. She uses the memory of being with Gendry in Harrenhal (and no one else, not even allies like Hot PIe or relevant figures like Jaqen) to give her strength.

As the swish of oars faded, she could almost hear the beating of her heart. Suddenly she was somewhere else… back in Harrenhal with Gendry, maybe, or with the Hound in the woods along the Trident. Salty is a stupid child, she told herself. I am a wolf, and will not be afraid. She patted Needle’s hilt for luck and plunged into the shadows, taking the steps two at a time so no one could ever say she’d been afraid. Arya, AFFC

Most of her thoughts of Gendry post-separation are about their time together (as in her experiences with him, not thinking about him really but about the past) or about his abandonment. To me, she’s clearly trying not to focus on someone she believes willingly abandoned her when she had no one else.

There was no use trying to convince the Bull of anything. Still, he was the only true friend she hadArya, ASoS

Anyway, if/when they meet again, and I suspect they will, we’ll probably see Arya’s feelings of betrayal and abandonment given more light. For now, in the House of Black and White where she’s trying to block out her attachments, it’s especially unlikely for us to have her think of how hurt she is over Gendry’s loss. 

milord/milady vs m’lord/m’lady vs my lord/my lady

For writing purposes, I used asearchoficeandfire to look up exactly how GRRM uses these different forms of address (because why take Roose Bolton’s word for anything). 

“Milord” was the least common, used by some King’s Landing prostitutes and Osmund Kettleblack (also of the Crownlands). It was also used by the daughter of the captain of the Myraham, a ship out of Oldtown.

“Milady” is slightly more common that “milord” and lowborn characters from Dorne to the Wall use it. For example, Harwin of Winterfell uses “milady”, as well as Tom Sevenstrings and servants in King’s Landing. 

“M’lord”/”M’lady” is the most common form people of low birth use to address the nobility. Members of the nobility, such as Theon and Sandor, adopt the term when they present/disguise themselves as lowborn. Interestingly, Oswell and Osney Kettleblack use “m’lord” unlike their brother. 

“My lord”/”my lady” is obviously the way the nobility speak, but there were some interesting exceptions. For example, Ser Meryn Trant addresses Cersei as “m’lady”. 

Some members of the “middle class” ie merchants, skilled craftsmen, and very minor nobility use “my lord”/”my lady” (examples: Tobho Mott the armorer, Rennifer Longwaters) while others use “m’lord”/”m’lady) (example: Hallis Mollen) so I think in cases like this, the usage depends on how the reader is supposed to perceive the character, whether the person has been educated or if they wish to be perceived as more important than they are (like Longwaters), etc. 

Valyrian Steel Blades known to still exist:

Heartsbane, the ancestral two-handed greatsword of House Tarly, currently in the possession of Lord Randyll Tarly.

Lady Forlorn, the ancestral sword of House Corbray, currently in the possession of Ser Lyn Corbray.

Longclaw, the ancestral Valyrian steel bastard sword of House Mormont. Currently in the possession of Jon Snow.

Nightfall, the ancestral blade of House Harlaw and currently wielded by Ser Harras Harlaw.

Oathkeeper, one of two Valyrian blades reforged by Tobho Mott from Ice. The blade was made for Ser Jaime Lannister, but he has given it to Brienne of Tarth for use in her quest to locate Sansa Stark. The blade was given its name, Oathkeeper, at that time.

Red Rain, the sword of House Drumm, which was stolen by them in a raid. Given the name and coloring, possibly the ancestral sword of House Reyne.

Widow’s Wail, one of two Valyrian blades reforged by Tobho Mott from Ice. Following Joffrey Baratheon’s death, ownership of Widow’s Wail has presumably passed to his younger brother, Tommen.

The dagger with dragonbone hilt wielded by Bran Stark’s failed assassin, and currently in the possession of Petyr Baelish.


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The master called over a tall lad about Robb’s age, his arms and chest corded with muscle. "This is Lord Stark, the new Hand of the King,“ he told him as the boy looked at Ned through sullen blue eyes and pushed back sweat-soaked hair with his fingers. Thick hair, shaggy and unkempt and black as ink. The shadow of a new beard darkened his jaw. "This is Gendry. Strong for his age, and he works hard. Show the Hand that helmet you made, lad.” Almost shyly, the boy led them to his bench, and a steel helm shaped like a bull’s head, with two great curving horns.

Ned turned the helm over in his hands. It was raw steel, unpolished but expertly shaped. “This is fine work. I would be pleased if you would let me buy it." 

The boy snatched it out of his hands. "It’s not for sale." 

Tobho Mott looked horror-struck. "Boy, this is the King’s Hand. If his lordship wants this helm, make him a gift of it. He honors you by asking." 

"I made it for me,” the boy said stubbornly. 

wendladarlings  asked:

What do you think Gendry's purpose is in ASOIAF?

I have discussed some potential ideas for Gendry’s future in ASoIaF here.

As for his specific purpose in ASoIaF, it depends on what you mean exactly. Do you mean what purpose has he alreadyserved (i.e. why GRRM added him to the plot) or what purpose willhe serve (i.e. his future impact)?

For what purpose Gendry already served, he has a couple big ones:

  1. As I discussed a bit here, Gendry serves to represent the smallfolk. Very few characters and storylines give us insight into the smallfolk’s feelings and suffering. Arya’s arc is a standout because from the end of AGoT to the end of ASoS, she serves to show us exactly how the lowest class lives in Westeros. Gendry obviously makes sense to be a part of Arya’s narrative for that reason. He consistently serves as a reminder to both Arya and the readers of the smallfolk’s plight and sufferings under nobles.
  2. Arya’s arc is a coming of age story (like all the children POVs.) A large, important part of coming of age is romantic relationships. While Arya’s sexualized all the time- beginning in AGoT with the men in Flea Bottom chasing her and her feeling their eyes crawling beneath her clothes to all the times she is stared at and hit on in Braavos- Gendry is the only consistent male around her age in her narrative. He definitely serves to highlight some of Arya’s growth (both in his reactions to her changing from ACoK to ASoS and Arya’s thoughts on him.) After all, they’re written with romantic undertones.
  3. The Baratheon bastard storyline. Ned, Jon Arryn, and Stannis Baratheon all meet Gendry, and he is one of the main reasons they figure out Cersei’s adultery. He serves to be the reason Yoren can’t just take Arya to Winterfell as planned- no one should have bothered the NW recruits except they had a royal bastard with them. Even with Brienne, Gendry serves as a reminder of Renly and may very well play a part in her future storyline.

So those are the bigger overarching purposes Gendry has served as a character so far.

For the future, some of those still apply. If Gendry meets Arya again (as I strongly suspect,) chances are that number 2 will come into play again- highlighting Arya’s growth because Arya rarely takes stock of her appearances and changes. Number 1 isn’t going anywhere either since in Brienne’s AFFC POV, it’s very clear that Gendry is still the angered representation of the smallfolk. And number 3 is definitely going to come into play because Gendry is going to realize he’s Robert Baratheon’s bastard, I’m very positive. Plus, the Baratheon line is dying out like no other. The only Baratheons left by blood and name are Stannis and Shireen. Both characters have extremely uncertain futures, Stannis will almost certainly not have a son, his heir is female (and sickly and tied to bad sign dreams and been pronounced as already dead by Val and just all around not looking very strong and safe,) and all the male bastards (assumably) have been killed except for Gendry and Edric Storm. Gendry’s a bigger character than Edric, and he’s also still in Westeros. Still, Edric is definitely a 1000x better candidate for something like legitimization if any Baratheon bastard gets legitimized. 

And there’s always the question of who even would want to legitimize a Baratheon bastard- not Stannis who sees Shireen as his heir and knows but didn’t care about Gendry. Not Dany who hates the Baratheons and would like to see their line die out. Definitely not the Lannister crowd.

The only person who is worth considering whether they’d want or try to get Gendry legitimized is Varys. After all, Varys must have had some reason to go out of his way to save Gendry from being killed by Cersei. He’s the one who made the deal to save Gendry’s life, so he might have some vested interest in him.

So I don’t really think Gendry’s purpose involves preventing the Baratheon line from dying out, though it certainly could since his parentage is hinted at all the time.

Really, if I had to guess what Gendry’s future most likely will entail it’s two things A) Arya and B) Valyrian steel.

Like I’ve said, I really think Arya and Gendry are meeting up again. But also there’s a smith shaped hole in the Night’s Watch. With Donal Noye dead and Gendry’s original plan was to join the Watch and with the knowledge that Gendry’s master, Tobho Mott, could rework Valyrian steel (which has even been brought up to GRRM with a response only of “interesting question”,) it seems possible that Gendry could be involved in the war with the Others.

But it’s all up in air of course.

anonymous asked:

Where do people get the idea that Stannis and Gendry are similar? Was it something I missed in the books?

If you mean was there ever a canon indication or line that Gendry and Stannis were considered similar? No, there wasn’t, even though Gendry and Stannis have met:

“Did Lord Stannis question you as well?”
“The bald one? No, not him. He never said no word, just glared at me, like I was some raper who done for his daughter.” 
Ned and Gendry in Eddard, AGoT

However, it makes sense that people connect the two of them as similar- both of them are rather popular Baratheon-blooded people in the fandom. Not many people seem to like Robert, so I could see why people would like to compare Gendry to Stannis instead.

That being said, it’s not like they are without their similarities. Stannis is famed for his stubbornness, he will “break before he bends” and all. Gendry, likewise, is remarkably stubborn. In some ways, it’s his defining trait.

“A smart boy, but stubborn. That helm… the others call him bullheaded, so he threw it in their teeth.” Tobho Mott on Gendry in Ned, AGoT

Stannis is the most stubborn of the Baratheon brothers, Gendry is defined by his stubbornness. They have that in common.

Moreover, Renly and Robert were charismatic, cheery-seeming, loud, personable, and generally fun in many ways.

Stannis and Gendry, by contrast, are sullen, suspicious, and angry.

The boy looked at Ned through sullen blue eyes. Ned, AGoT

Though his eyes had been that same deep blue, Lord Renly’s eyes had always been warm and welcoming, full of laughter, whereas this boy’s eyes brimmed with anger and suspicion. Brienne on Gendry/Renly, AFFC

Stannis, my lord, my sad sullen boy Stannis as described by Maester Cressan, ACoK

…unbelievers by nature, mistrustful, suspicious.Melisandre on Stannis (and Jon), ADWD

Additionally, they are both blunt and uncaring for courtesies. They do not engage in lustful activities generally; they both make a point of avoiding it compared to other male characters actually. Both of them used to believe in the Seven and now don’t. Currently, both are mostly unbelievers who kind of believe in R’hllor. It’s complicated and not nearly as simple as that- neither seems to legitimately worship the Lord of Light- and yet believe in his power having seen what priests/priestesses of that faith can do.

Also, there’s the sass/blunt retorts that Robert lacked generally.

Stannis snorted. “Celtigar pronounced it admirable. If I showed him the contents of my privy, he would declare that admirable as well.”

The Smith has kept my ships safe, while the Mother has given me seven strong sons.”

“Your wife has given you seven strong sons. Do you pray to her?  Davos, ACoK

“Winterfell,” she said at once. “I’d tell Mother how you helped me, and you could stay-”

“Would m’lady permit? Could I shoe your horses for you, and make swords for your lordly brothers?” Gendry and Arya, ACoK

Thoros turned from the fire, sighing. “Not here. Not now. But some days, yes, the Lord of Light grants me visions.”

Gendry looked dubious. “My master said you were a sot and a fraud, as bad a priest as there ever was.”  Arya, ASoS

And then there’s the fact that what Gendry finds appealing about the Brotherhood Without Banners is that they (used to) go by the books, believe in justice.

“A smith can find a welcome most anywhere. A skilled armorer even more so. Why would you choose to stay with us?”

Arya watched Gendry screw up his stupid face, thinking. “At the hollow hill, what you said about being King Robert’s men, and brothers, I liked that. I liked that you gave the Hound a trial. Lord Bolton just hanged folk or took off their heads, and Lord Tywin and Ser Amory were the same. I’d sooner smith for you.” Arya, ASoS

It reminds me of how Stannis believes so strongly in the law, makes no exceptions.

I kind of see Gendry as a hybrid between Robert and Stannis in many ways- his attachment to Arya (a Lyanna-look-and-act-alike,) his brash heroics, the hammer wielding, and other traits mark him as Robert’s bastard. But in many respects, he has a lot more in common with Stannis personality-wise.

Gendry, who’s name is a distortion of “gentry” (meaning people of good social position and good birth, literally stemming from the word genterie that means “high born” and “nobility” in Old French,) has a characterization based on not being high born. He’s defined by his social position as a bastard and represents the smallfolk (particularly for Arya in Harrenhal.) He hates nobles and rebuffs highborns. His entire existence as an unacknowledged bastard who’s life has been dictated by people in more power than he is (Tobho Mott, Varys, Cersei, Lannister men, Bolton men, ext.) […Gendry has] distrust, suspicion, resentment

The master called over a tall lad about Robb’s age, his arms and chest corded with muscle. “This is Lord Stark, the new Hand of the King,” he told him as the boy looked at Ned through sullen blue eyes and pushed back sweat-soaked hair with his fingers. Thick hair, shaggy and unkempt and black as ink. The shadow of a new beard darkened his jaw. “This is Gendry. Strong for his age, and he works hard. Show the Hand that helmet you made, lad.” Almost shyly, the boy led them to his bench, and a steel helm shaped like a bull’s head, with two great curving horns.
Ned turned the helm over in his hands. It was raw steel, unpolished but expertly shaped. “This is fine work. I would be pleased if you would let me buy it.”
The boy snatched it out of his hands. “It’s not for sale.”
Tobho Mott looked horror-struck. “Boy, this is the King’s Hand. If his lordship wants this helm, make him a gift of it. He honors you by asking.”
“I made it for me,” the boy said stubbornly.
“A hundred pardons, my lord,” his master said hurriedly to Ned. “The boy is crude as new steel, and like new steel would profit from some beating. That helm is journeyman’s work at best. Forgive him and I promise I will craft you a helm like none you have ever seen.”
“He’s done nothing that requires my forgiveness…“

notamericannorspanish  asked:

Hi! I was wondering something. Why does Varys sent Gendry out of KL? I mean, we know that it was Varys who sent Gendry to the Wall, but why? He knows that Cersei’s children aren’t from Robert, but why to secure the Baratheon line with a high born bastard who was raised as a commoner? He has no manners and doesn’t even like ‘lordish’ stuff, and Edric Storm is a better candidate because he was raised in a castle. I sent this to asoiafuniversity, but they told me to ask it to the members :)

We don’t actually know that it was Varys who sent Gendry to the Wall? It’s a general fan assumption, but there’s no real proof yet. It’s thought that Varys might be the lord who paid Gendry’s apprentice fee, since Tobho Mott’s description:

“He was stout, round of shoulder, not so tall as you. Brown beard, but there was a bit of red in it, I’ll swear. He wore a rich cloak, that I do remember, heavy purple velvet worked with silver threads, but the hood shadowed his face and I never did see him clear.”

could be Varys in one of his disguises, but again there’s no real proof. And Gendry says Tobho Mott just told him one day to join the Night’s Watch, there’s no mention of a lord who told him to.

But it could be that Varys is the one who sent Gendry to the Wall, just like it could be that Varys is the one behind Tyrek Lannister’s disappearance. There’s a theory that Varys is preserving members of certain families, for some as-yet-obscure purpose. Perhaps he did it in case all of the major family members die, he would be able to present these people as heirs to their houses, people who would then owe him. But since the only people involved in this theory are Gendry and Tyrek — and Gendry never made it to the Wall and we don’t know if Varys has any idea where he is or even cares — and Tyrek has been completely missing for three and a half books — it’s hard to draw any specific, real conclusions yet.

(Also there’s a variation of the theory where Varys hid these boys to reserve proof about Robert’s murder and the fact his heirs are not his heirs — as Tyrek was Robert’s squire and might have witnessed Lancel doping his wine, and Gendry has the Baratheon look — but as that’s a plot that nobody really cares about anymore tbh, I don’t really see the point. Maybe the fact that Tommen and Myrcella aren’t actually Robert’s heirs will become relevant again, but considering Joffrey reigned and died without it ever actually making a difference, I very much doubt it. Seriously, even if Cersei’s trial weren’t by champion and not evidence, does anyone really think Aegon or Dany’s going to give a damn?)

But say the “reserve heirs” theory is true. (I don’t actually like to say it’s true because I hate speculating on such castle-in-the-air data, but you did ask.) You wonder why Gendry, and not Edric Storm? There’s a simple answer to that… Varys had Gendry, he didn’t have Edric. Renly’s people had Edric at the time Gendry was sent to the Wall, and Stannis had him not much afterwards. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. If Varys had a need to present Gendry as his puppet (if say all the Baratheons die), but Edric were still alive, then, well, assassination isn’t hard.

And y’know… if that theory is true, but Varys did lose track of Gendry on his way to the Wall… Edric Storm is now living in Lys. The Free City where Varys originally came from, and where he certainly has contacts now. So your question may be entirely moot, as while Gendry might have been Varys’s original “reserve Baratheon”… Edric Storm, a far better candidate (as you point out), could very well be Varys’s new puppet lord.

If that theory is true, of course. We’ll just have to see.

edit: donewithwoodenteeth​ kindly provided the quote that shows that Varys is the one who most likely set Gendry up with the Night’s Watch, here:

“In future, you will tell me what you know, Lord Varys. All of what you know.”
The eunuch’s smile was sly. “That might take rather a long time, my good lord. I know quite a lot.”
“Not enough to save this child, it would seem.”
“Alas, no. There was another bastard, a boy, older. I took steps to see him removed from harm’s way… but I confess, I never dreamed the babe would be at risk. A baseborn girl, less than a year old, with a whore for a mother. What threat could she pose?”
“She was Robert’s,” Tyrion said bitterly. “That was enough for Cersei, it would seem.”
–ACOK, Tyrion II

So we’ve got that straightened out at least. And if you’re interested, she’s also answered the question of why Varys would save Gendry.

ashotofjac  asked:

Do you think Ice will ever be reforged? Or it's destined to remain two blades?

I’m not actually sure. The major thing that should be kept in mind is that the Valyrian steel Ice was not the first sword by that name.

Catelyn had no love for swords, but she could not deny that Ice had its own beauty. It had been forged in Valyria, before the Doom had come to the old Freehold, when the ironsmiths had worked their metal with spells as well as hammers. Four hundred years old it was, and as sharp as the day it was forged. The name it bore was older still, a legacy from the age of heroes, when the Starks were Kings in the North. –AGOT, Catelyn I

So while the sword that was melted and reforged was 400 years old, the name Ice originally belonged to a sword that well predated the introduction of Valyrian steel into Westeros. It’s very possible that another sword could be named (or renamed) Ice and made the future ancestral sword of House Stark.

Now, could that sword be Oathkeeper or Widow’s Wail? I think that while there’s a possibility (both swords will certainly have a role to play in the endgame, Oathkeeper especially), the fact that the swords were infused with a red colorant makes me think that “Ice” is no longer a description that applies. Possibly in the reforging process the colorant could be removed (who knows what talented Qohorik smiths like Tobho Mott could do) – but the fact that Tywin had requested crimson blades and yet Mott found that the Valyrian steel either darkened the red or rejected it, resulting in a blade rippled in “waves of night and blood”, fire and smoke, suggests to me that trying to remove the colorant would also result in something not predictable.

Also, regarding the swords having a role to play in endgame, Valyrian steel will definitely be an important defense against the Others. Depending on how those battles come out, it may be that many swords will be broken and/or destroyed. For Oathkeeper, I expect Brienne to eventually be on some line of defense against the Others (contrary to many meta-writers, I am sure she’s not at all going to die in TWOW and even think she has fairly decent odds of surviving endgame), so again, who knows what will happen to the sword in battle. If it does survive (if any magical items survive), it could be returned to House Stark… but we’ll see.

As for Widow’s Wail, that’s especially in a precarious situation, as it’s currently located in the Red Keep, which is sure to be conquered by Aegon and/or a Greyjoy before blowing up from wildfire (probably set off by a dragon). Though I think the sword is too much of a Chekhov’s gun to go out like the Iron Throne will – odds are it’ll be taken by someone as spoils of war. Unless Cersei grabs it on her way out of KL? In which case it’ll be taken when Casterly Rock is invaded, I’m sure. Either way I don’t expect Widow’s Wail to end up in the hands of anybody particularly nice, so the chance of bad things happening to it are all the higher.

Anyway, to sum up:

  • who knows what the status of any Valyrian steel sword will be after everything
  • if Oathkeeper survives, it could be renamed Ice, whether or not it’s reforged with Widow’s Wail
  • but it’s possible another sword could be the new Ice too, depending
  • (maybe even Longclaw? whether or not it becomes Lightbringer, although if it’s returned to House Mormont then no)
  • either way, no matter what, in the end I am sure House Stark will have a sword named Ice, whatever its origin may be.