Alright, I know a lot of people have drawn a parallel between this new scene from 401 and the scene from the Pilot in which Abby tells Kane she ensures the human race deserves to stay alive but I haven’t seen anyone parallel it the scene from 213. In the scene from 213, Abby and Kane have a conversation about Clarke letting the missile fall on TonDC. Abby, as we know, is horrified until Kane tells her, they too have done a number of awful things. In end, Abby realizes she is on no morally higher ground than her daughter is and poses the question, “After everything we’ve done, do we even deserve to survive.”
Kane doesn’t answer her question, he opens his mouth as if he intends to but in the end, he says nothing. I think the reason Kane does not answer Abby’s question back in 213 is because he believes the answer to the question is no, they don’t deserve to survive. In the same episode, during the same conversation, Kane brings up his guilt regarding the Culling in order to in a way comfort Abby about Clarke’s actions. This in itself shows that Kane is still overwhelmed with guilt by that decision.
In 401, however, Kane tells Bellamy “Before you know, you’ll deserve to survive.” and I think this serves very effectively as an answer to Abby’s question from 213. In 401, post the City of Light and all of the atrocities that forced people to create (Kane obviously included since he nearly strangled Bellamy and crucified Indra,) all of the characters are full of fresh guilt. For Kane, however, I think this serves as a realization point. I think he finally gets that he’s never going to deserve to survive the way he did before he was forced to make all these horrible decisions because the Ground does not let him be that person. He’s been forced to make horrible decision after horrible decision in order to save his people and I think he finally understands that to the proper proportions. Kane knows Bellamy feels a similar way, he knows Bellamy has made a countless number of bad decisions and in this line reassures Bellamy of this. He tells Bellamy in this line, yes, you do deserve to survive or if you continue to atone for your actions, you will.
In this way, Kane is also obviously speaking about himself. He is answering Abby’s question back from 213 (hence why we have a camera shot of her looking at him. ) Instead of his former answer of no, he finally realizes the answer is yes. They deserve to and will survive.
TLDR; I have way too many emotions about Marcus Kane and had way too much on my mind about the parallel I feel like no one else noticed. And this is a pointless ramble.
the “i am so sorry comics are not easily understandable mediums of storytelling for new readers and if you can read all of these simultaneously… it’s probably your best bet. post 2000s”
- uncanny x-men starting on #401
- new mutants (2003)
- astonishing x-men (2004)
- new x-men volume 2 (2004) (skip volume one, you’re not ready)
- x-men volume 2 (starting with #157)
- x-factor volume 3 (2006)
if you keep reading uncanny x-men alone eventually you are going to hit the following events: house of m, civil war, messiah complex, divided we stand, manifest destiny, and messiah war AND THE MOTHER OF ALL EVENTS UTOPIA. start on
Okay you didn’t specify what kind of recs you wanted so [cracks knuckles] here we go:
Here’s a masterpost with pretty much all of his appearances, and here’s another one w working links in case you cant afford comics (if you want to buy them check websites like comixology)
I personally enjoyed:
> His robin run (both pre crisis and post crisis, but you don’t have to necessarily read both of them. You can skip pre crisis as he starts fresh on his post crisis run, but i think prec!jason is v cute and loved reading it.) (what does post and pre crisis mean? Well jason used to exist right? But then where was a reboot, the crisis thing, where his backstory, origin and personality completely changed. Which is why you don’t necessarily have to read pre-reboot, but as I said is a kinda fun read. You can skip it and read it later when you’re more familiar with the timeline and stuff, or not at all.)
Pre crisis— Batman #357-#400 / Detective Comics #524-#567 / Batman #401-403
Post crisis— Batman#408-#425 / Detective Comics#568-#582 / Blue Devil #19 / Action Comics #556, #594 / Batman Annuals #10-#13 / Superman Annual #11/ New Teen Titans #18- #21, #24, #26-#31 / Nightwing Year One #101-#106 / The Cult #1-#4 / DC Retroactive: Batman - The 80s
AsRed Hood: his appearances on Batman: Under the Red Hood* / Red Hood: The Lost Days
#69-#72 / Outsiders #44-#46 / Li'l Gotham
#2, #10, #12, #17, #20, #21, #24 / and Tiny Titans
#23, #29, #33, #39, #45, #47 / Countdown to Final Crisis #51
- #1 I know! i seem to be forgetting a lot of stuff! I personally didn’t like the rest of his appearances on other comics, but you can give it a shot ofc.
*When i say Batman: Under the Red Hood i mean the trade, which includes Batman #635-641, #645-50 / Batman Annual #25 / Batman #618 (Hush arc)
N52: n52 is a freaking mess. In my opinion Jason is badly written 24/7 but i guess i still enjoyed some stuff.
I can’t remember a lot of Batman & Robin but if my memory serves me right, theres a panel where Jason catches Damian with his fucking hips so theres that + Bruce is also an asshole to Jason in #20 (
#10-#12, #17, #20, #33- #37)
Batman Eternal was.. okayish too, if you don’t mind the Jason x Barbara, some ooc stuff, and Bruce being an asshole to Jason. Basically if you were okay with rhato, read this, you have nothing to lose. (
#10-#12, #15, #18-#20, #25-#26, #28)
Batman and Robin Eternal had their good fleeteing moments, but mostly is just cringe worthy, i wouldn’t rec it at all tbh but theres one (1) panel with steph and jason together so…. (And the Cass/Harper is p neat)
I also enjoyed him on: DC universe Presents #17 (which is Roy Centered but has some good Jason panels) / Supergirl#35 / Grayson #12, #15 / Deathstroke #15-16 were okaish / Secret Origins #5 / Batman/Superman Annual #1 /
> Rebirth: so far only Red Hood and the Outlaws, which surprisingly is pretty good so i’d rec reading it. Not as ooc and bad written as everything else the white demon has ever created.
> Other: somealternative universes! / didn’t know where to put them
This will require a longer answer but you don't have to reply immediately. As someone not new to MCU but completely new to Marvel Comics, which comics would you say I should definitely read and in what order? As much as I prefer being a completionist, people have said I would get burned out super fast that way. Basically I'd like to know which ones are the most essential that contain important moments (like the Avengers finding out about Iron Man's identity etc). Thank you so much in advance!
Hi, anon! I answered an ask last week that covers a lot of this ground, so there are a bunch of recommendations there (including a list we made at the 616 Steve/Tony Discord; feel free to come by and ask if you have questions, and also we run a weekly book club if you ever want to discuss comics with people). There’s also the Cap-IM Slashy Moments list; not everything in the list is 100% essential, obviously, but there are a bunch of highlights and you can browse it and see what looks good.
Having said that, issues/runs that tend to come up in 616 Steve/Tony fic a lot include:
Avengers v1 #4: The one where the team finds Steve. If you want a modern-day reworking of this, there’s the miniseries Captain America: Man Out of Time, which is very good.
Avengers v1 #16: This is the beginning of Cap’s Kooky Quartet, in which all the founders except Steve quit the team, which is now Steve, Clint, Wanda, and Pietro.
Nomad (Cap v1 #180-#184): Steve gets a new superhero identity and everyone’s favorite costume ever.
Demon in a Bottle (IM v1 #120-128): The storyline that establishes Tony as an alcoholic. But when Steve/Tony fandom wants to talk about Tony as an alcoholic, the run that usually gets referenced is Denny O’Neil’s later run, usually just called “the second drinking arc” because the run itself has no official title.
Avengers v1 #215-216: This is where Steve finds out who Iron Man is. Please note that not everyone finds out who Iron Man is at this time; Steve is one of the first. The Avengers find out basically one-by-one over the years and the public doesn’t find out until Iron Man v3 and also during Civil War. (Yes, it happens twice. It’s a long story.)
The second drinking arc (IM v1 #158-200): Tony falls off the wagon, gives Rhodey the suit, is carried out of a burning building by a very upset Steve, is broke and homeless living in a cardboard box, and nearly dies drinking himself to death in a blizzard. My fave.
Armor Wars (IM v1 #225-231): Steve and Tony have their first big fight. If you see fic mentioning the Guardsmen, they come from here.
Operation: Galactic Storm (a multi-series crossover; the only issue you really need is the post-event wrap-up in Cap v1 #401): Another fight! If you see fic mentioning the Kree Supreme Intelligence, they’re talking about this.
Capwolf (Cap v1 #402-408). Uh. Yes.
Avengers/Cap/IM v3 in general is widely liked; within v3 you may see reference to Avengers Red Zone (v3 #65-70) and IM Sentient Armor (v3 #26-30) as well as the 1998 Cap & IM Annual (Tony wipes Steve’s memories and they have another fight). v3 ends with Disassembled, in which Wanda blows up the mansion.
After that is when New Avengers v1 begins (as well as Cap v5 and Iron Man v4), and Civil War starts. There are specific tie-in issues I can rec if you just want the Steve/Tony view of the war. The beginning of New Avengers comes up in fic a fair amount; Iron Man v4 comes up a lot, because it starts with Extremis (many people like Extremis) and it’s the run that’s happening during and after Civil War, so it’s basically What Tony Is Doing While Steve’s Dead. (Answer: Being the director of SHIELD and failing miserably at coping. I also have to rec the Avengers/Invaders miniseries which takes place while Tony is director. SO MUCH ANGST.) Cap v5 doesn’t come up that much because after Steve dies in #25, it is basically Bucky’s book until Steve comes back.
Honestly at that point (Civil War) it’s hard to recommend specific things to read (other than just starting with New Avengers and going forward and hitting the events as you go, which is what I did) because – since that’s when the Steve/Tony pairing really got its start – most of the fic assumes you know generally what’s been happening in all the major events since then. Steve dies and comes back, Tony deletes his brain, later on the incursions happen and Tony mindwipes Steve, and so on and so forth. Big events of the past ten years are roughly: Civil War, Secret Invasion, Dark Reign, Siege, Fear Itself, AvX, Infinity, Axis, Secret Wars, Standoff, Civil War II, Secret Empire.
Post-CW, the only miniseries with a real Steve & Tony focus have been Avengers Prime (taking place near the beginning of Avengers v4) and One Night in Madripoor (Captain America and Iron Man #633-635), taking place slightly later. Hickman’s Avengers run (Avengers v5 & New Avengers v3) also focuses a lot on Steve and Tony, but, uh, not necessarily in a positive way. They haven’t been on the same Avengers team since Hickman’s run.
This doesn’t even take into account the other comics continuities in which people write Steve and Tony; I would say that the biggest are Ultimates (which is its own separate universe with hundreds of comics itself, where everyone is an asshole), Marvel Adventures: Avengers (an all-ages series with about 40 issues and another 13 for MA: Iron Man), Iron Man Noir (a miniseries where Tony is an adventurer in the late 1930s), and possibly also 1872 (also a miniseries, set in the Wild West).
If you want to read pre-Civil War Steve and Tony, I highly recommend buying or borrowing the trade paperback Iron Man/Captain America (yes, that is its real name) which basically covers a lot of the highlights of their early relationship and will give you a feel for what their dynamic is like: it has some team-up issues, the issues of the second drinking arc and Armor Wars that have Steve confronting Tony, the 1998 Annual, and so on. Most of these issues are collected in other trades or available digitally, but the one thing in here that was never reprinted anywhere else (as far as I know) and cannot be read online is the Tales of Suspense one-shot from 1995, which fandom has dubbed “the azure eyes issue.” It is worth reading. If only for that one conversation.
Maoism may seem like an anachronism if you’re sitting in a Starbucks accessing your 401(k) account online over here, but in the post-modern world there are many more people living in desperately poor, feudalistic rural societies ruled by landlord capitalist classes who keep their traditional positions with armies of gunthugs.
In that situation, Maoism is like an old but reliable weapon. Like a do-it-yourself kit crafted for precisely that situation. That has all the concepts and strategies and tactics even down to the details of organization and the slogans, that a handful of revs can use to build a mss revolutionary power and overthrow the old order. If you were a debt slave child condemned to labor until early death in the plantations of Western Nepal, Mao is like a flash of the freshest thing you ever heard of. ‘Political power comes from the barrel of a gun.’
If you’ve made it this far, thank you so much for taking a chance on me and what I do here. Five hundred posts later and, well, wow! This one kicks off the next hundred. But before I head off in whatever direction New York City demands, I just wanted to share five of my favorite entries from the previous hundred. Thank you again for spending some of your time here, it’s a privilege to have you….
On May 18, 2017, Chris Cornell committed suicide after a Soundgarden show at the Fox Theatre in Detroit, MI. In my memorial, I remember how my friend and I happened into complimentary tickets to Soundgarden’s intimate date at Irving Plaza back in 2012:
A year after Prince succumbed to an accidental drug overdose at Paisley Park, The Revolution reformed to play a few shows across the country in his honor. At their stop at B.B. King’s in Times Square, Wendy and Lisa delivered a tribute to him that was utterly raw and disarming:
On October 2, 2017, Tom Petty died of cardiac arrest. He and the Heartbreakers had just completed their 40th Anniversary Tour of the world. I had only seen them a few months before. Petty was in such fine spirits. As he took to the stage, the crowd at the Prudential Center gave him an uproarious standing ovation. The house lights went up after a time and Petty–smiling profusely–patted his heart with his hand. This is a letter I wrote to him:
Two years after premiering her one-woman performance Longing Lasts Longer at Joe’s Pub, the incomparable Penny Arcade brought her re-worked show to St. Ann’s Warehouse. In this essay, I attempted to describe my experience of seeing her:
The war has left its mark on everyone. The Ministry, as usual, is only too happy to take advantage. But Harry won’t let them destroy his home, no matter what he has to do to stop them. And no matter if a certain Draco Malfoy insists on getting him off track.
Umbridge, that cow, is back and ready to fuck shit up as always, the Ministry is trying to take the credit for ending the war and Harry isn’t having it.
There’s a lot of overlap in early @whothefuckisdickgrayson and Jason’s early Post-Crisis run, so since I’ve read a lot of his early issues anyway for the other blog, I thought I might as well get started over here.
I’ll preface this by saying that I’m going to go chronological by publication date. Jason’s origin retcon did not happen immediately at the start of Post-Crisis Batman, although the writers were likely aware of it for a long while before it was published, if not in specifics (for one thing, the mystery novelist who we have to thank for Jason’s new origin came in pretty early as a writer).
After the Crisis happened, books continued on, and while some of them immediately did do a year one-esque reboot, others just continued, quietly adding in the changes the Crisis wrought as necessary. There’s a lot of Pre-Crisis carryover in early Post-Crisis, but retcons continued to happen until eventually a solid ‘this is Post-Crisis history’ could be assembled. By going from publication date we can follow this kind of journey with Jason, which I feel gives a more natural understanding of the character and how to accept those retcons.
Anyway, moving along to March 1986, and the end of the Crisis. An issue of the new Teen Titans references events in the last issue of the Crisis, placing itself concurrently with that issue and spilling over into the aftermath. Over in Batman and Detective Comics, November 1986 kicked off the Legends crossover, which was DC’s big way of introducing the ‘New Earth’ (aka Post-Crisis) to the readers.
The starting point for our journey is therefore New Teen Titans Volume 2 #18 (1986). Batman #401 and Detective Comics #568 are the official Post-Crisis start dates for the Bat books.
Draco is not good at Cards Against Humanity, but Harry’s not good at being human, so it all works out. Except for the explosions. And Harry’s inability to live when Draco’s not around.
Harry and Draco are Auror partners and Harry really likes that. What he doesn’t like is that Draco is moving to fucking Beirut. So what does Harry do? Well, Harry, he loses it.
I honestly loved this. Every single second. I couldn’t stop reading and I’m forever grateful for the gods leading me to this fic (or you know seeing someone else rec it but you know same, same). There’s an enormous (red. great) amount of the word fuck, Harry’s seeing a mind healer, just really angsty!Harry, like for real, angsty times a hundred and then some more, Draco and Harry are just amazing, Luna, Ron and Hermione are the best and the pining omg the pining (HNNNNNGG)!!
Something I especially love in this fic are that even though you’re an Auror, you still specialises in something, which is so realistic!! Harry and Ron specialises in explosive magic, Draco in healing magic and other in forensics and so on. I’ve never seen it before and now that I have I just really, desperately, want more of it.
It’s not all angsty fun though, my heart has been torn to pieces several times and I’ve been crying for Harry throughout the entire fic. Read it. Enjoy the pain and the love you feel when reading about these two.