For God sake Elena didn't lose anything with Damon . She was happy with Damon . Damon helped her in every way even Stefan said so . Elena never really loved Stefan she didn't even knew him properly she fell madly in love with Damon . You wanna ship se do but don't say Elena was puppet in de relationship . Stefan was just the chapter in her life the same way Elena was the chapter in Stefan life .
And if you want to ship DE then go ahead but stop being so willfully ignorant about your ship, anon.
I have multiple posts about the inflation of DE:
But you guys seem adamant on making me repeat myself.
“Elena never really loved Stefan”
Where is the proof of this? I mean next to the fact that she consistently declares her love for Stefan
These declarations of love are earned by how ride or die Elena was for Stefan.
Like you don’t face werewolves and go into vervain/snake-filled wells and run into a house full of tomb vampires and risk coming face to face with the supernatural monster trying to kill you if you don’t “really” love someone. This type of devotion is not bred from obligation, anon.
she didn’t even knew him properly
Elena knew Stefan so implicitly that she knew he was on the other line when he didn’t even say anything:
Elena’s emotional and spiritual knowledge of Stefan (which I speak about here: http://zalrb.tumblr.com/post/158674534265/can-you-show-examples-of-stelena-knowing-each) is unparalleled and that knowledge and that connection actually, and not DE-actually, but actually actually made Stefan a better person:
We started this season with Stefan drinking Elena’s blood. Is that
going to come back to haunt him or haunt them as he drinks more human
Julie Plec: Not at the moment. I think that in its own way, it was a smart choice. He’s come to terms with all his demons from last year and all the guilt that lead him down that road and Stefan’s issues with blood were psychological and emotional. And drinking small tiny amounts every day with the trust and the commitment of your one true love to build up the strength so that you never have to worry about becoming that guy, I think we want to see if we can deliver on that. (source)
And this declaration to Rebekah (and Julie’s quote about Stefan) is earned in action and not simply dialogue. It’s earned in action because pretty much whenever Elena came face to face with Stefan’s demons, his lust for blood, his voracious vampirism, her presence, her emotional knowledge of Stefan would make it subside. It begins in 1x10 because she’s actually seeing past his vampirism, embracing it and accepting it, seeing to the man:
which allows for this to happen:
and that type of connection doesn’t go away because in 5x04 it’s repeated:
And in 5x06 it’s reiterated how much Elena brings Stefan back to life:
And in 6x16, Elena is directly related, yet again, to bringing Stefan back to his humanity, narratively, she is directly related to him being the best version of himself:
she fell madly in love with Damon
I guess we’re ignoring the fact that Elena literally had to die and then be emotionally entrapped by a bond that gives her the illusion of free will to make DE happen. I talk about that here: http://zalrb.tumblr.com/post/156287220175/i-really-liked-your-toxic-relationship-post-but but the highlights are these:
“The bottom line is that Elena as a human made a very, very, very clear
choice that she would love Stefan always and forever,” she says. “But
then her entire life turned upside down, and any feelings she originally
had for Damon were still there, and of course magnified. There was
always going to be a little bit of a confusion there for her — but not
enough confusion for her to be over Stefan. It would take a lot to rip
Elena away from loving Stefan. It would take years and seasons. We’d be
eighty, if we followed the natural progression of that relationship.”
Damon helped her in every way even Stefan said so
H O W?
I have asked this many times and no DEr has been able to give me a legitimate answer, all you guys give me is what you think happened, it’s conjecture based on unearned dialogue. I want to know what he’s actually done that has propelled Elena’s character development because from what I recall, it’s Stefan who’s the one who always helps her:
but don’t say Elena was puppet in de relationship
Except that she is though. Because the DE relationship is inherently Damon-focused, Elena is his plot line so she actually just has to be there, it’s not about the both of them unlike SE:
Julie Plec: I can only say that it’s a show predicated on a girl coming back to life and her development of love for one brother who then, because of who she is, changes the life of the other brother and that’s our show […] (source)
Even the 6x22 goodbye scene is inherently about Damon:
“ It’s our way of the characters having sex in like a beautiful way, so it made perfect sense on the road, which is symbolic of Damon’s journey as a vampire[…]”
as opposed to the SE goodbye which is inherently about Elena and their knowledge of each other:
“That’s where she admitted she never wanted to lose her humanity, she didn’t want to be a vampire, and so he found it fitting for them to revisit that environment,” Dries said.
The sire bond … Elena isn’t given any complicated feelings about the fact that she’s emotionally enslaved to someone else, all she has to do is believe that she loves him:
I think the takeaway, ultimately, is that Elena believes it so fundamentally that in that moment, it’s enough for Damon to let himself believe too.
and it’s Damon who gets the “character” exploration of struggling with something and letting himself believe it’s real or not real, they make it inherently about how Damon feels when it’s Elena that this is happening to:
And it’s gonna continue to eat at Damon for the next few episodes […] Just letting himself allow it to be real for one small moment is enough for Damon.
At least with Stefan and Elena, she’s allowed to have complicated feelings which actually enrich their relationship because she goes through a multitude of emotions:
Plec assures that this storyline will be a big deal for
the Stefan/Elena relationship, especially as Elena struggles “with her
desire to help rescue this person that she loved very purely and very
deeply, but also learning the lesson that you can’t necessarily let
yourself be consumed in your life by saving someone else’s.”
Even their first meeting is solely for the benefit of Damon:
It was us wanting to give Damon something to fight for. Ric is
unbeatable, a jillion times stronger than Damon. Damon was a dead man,
and Ric was relishing beating him, and Damon had nothing left to live
for, having been passed over once again. It was just that slight little
thing that she said to him, when she was just trying to take the sting
off: “Hey, maybe if you and I had met first.” She was just trying to
soften the blow. But in reality, he had this memory that gave him the
will to fight back. I love that moment, where Ric’s about to drive the
stake into him, and he’s like “You know what? I’m not ready to die
And with SE, it’s about how they save each other:
Julie Plec: In my mind, Elena’s parents are dead. It was a human accident, and a human tragedy, and as we know, the night that Stefan pulled her out of the water and saved her life. That was kind of the beginning of their love story. (source)
She isn’t just this symbol to be reacted to.
Even when Nina talks about SE, it’s about the individualism of Elena in relation to the love of SE:
Nina: But Elena — it’s not about that for her. She cares about Stefan. And he’s important to her and she has this connection with him, but she will put her friends and her family and the safety of her town before anything else, and she’s not going to swoon over the fact that he’s a vampire and ask her to bite him right away and all that. (source)
and you see that in their relationship. She doesn’t realize she can be with Stefan until after he saves Bonnie’s life in 1x09, she doesn’t get back with Stefan in season 2 until after he sacrifices his freedom to get with Jeremy out of the tomb, they take care of the people around them together, whether it’s saving Matt or taking care of Caroline after being tortured or helping Bonnie when it comes to Emily, where is any of that with Damon? They can’t even meet Bonnie halfway in the Prison World because they’re too busy arguing about their relationship. She doesn’t know what’s going on with Jeremy because she’s too caught up sleeping with Damon, she isn’t even paying attention to the parent-teacher interviews, she doesn’t care that he killed Aaron and kidnapped Jeremy again and the show doesn’t actually explore the psychological battle of loving someone who does these terrible things, she makes one comment about bending her morals and that’s it, that fundamentally reduces her character.
In season 8, the show very rarely (if ever) talks about Elena as an individual person or about her significance to the other characters, it’s all about how if Elena was there then Damon wouldn’t go off the rails, if Elena was there she would be able to get through to Damon, I wish Elena was here so Damon wouldn’t be the way he is, there are like four times in the season when Elena is spoken about outside the context of what she can do for Damon. When Elena wakes up, she realizes that Stefan is gone and she and Bonnie briefly share in that grief and then instead of asking about Bonnie, it’s “where is he?”
It’s only when Damon is gone that Elena actually is the person she’s supposed to be because the show gives her other focuses like bringing Stefan back or bringing Bonnie back to life or setting Caroline up or getting everyone together to do shots so they can hang out, when Damon is back in the picture, the show just shackles her to him.
Stefan was just the chapter in her life the same way Elena was the chapter in Stefan life .
Except not? Their connection exists throughout the series and it’s proven repeatedly that they depend on each other and are tied to each other more than they’re tied to other people. Like Elena could break compulsion for Stefan but she couldn’t do the same for Damon.
In season 8, Bonnie tells Stefan to find his hope and what he does right after is write to Elena:
In the finale Elena is found sitting at the Salvatore crypt, writing about how she owes her life to Stefan:
[and I talk about how this is different than Matt here: http://zalrb.tumblr.com/post/158520624145/elena-wrote-in-her-journal-that-she-owed-her-epic]
In season 7, Caroline talks about how she’s been waiting for the day Stefan could love her the way he loved Elena
Not to mention the natural intimacy of SE and the romantic undertones of their scenes:
Like their narrative, their action, seeps through everything, DE has the dialogue, we have what actually matters.