I havent watched 13 yet but I remember you saying that you woundnt support deancas if Cas had his free will for his action in ep19 etc. What happened there? How did the show adress that? I personally stopped watching there cause I hate the story they took Cas o
It’s been addressed but not overtly, and so far it’s inconclusive.
Dabb doubled down on
Dean believing that Cas had been brainwashed (so we now know it
wasn’t just a Yockey thing) in 13x01. So the question is textually
there, for sure. This is a good thing.
The interesting part
is that I was repeatedly arguing all summer that just because Jack
took free will away doesn’t make him bad, and I feel like the
direction they’ve been taking Jack’s powers in really
supports what I was saying… and in a much cooler
way than I was speculating. Jack has made several implications
that he views himself as almost separate from his powers (in 13x01
and 13x03 especially), and it’s been repeatedly enforced that he
doesn’t have actual control over his powers (implied several times
throughout the season, and then coming to a head in 13x06).
been beginning to wonder if it’s actually Jack’s power that’s
causing all of this (since Jack feels separated from it), and that
it’s his power that has a built-in survival mechanism (which would
explain why Kelly was more okay with literally KILLING HER CHILD than
taking his power away, and why Cas insisted that the child must be
born with ALL OF HIS POWER).
And I personally
hate that they took Cas there, too… if that’s the way I thought
they were gonna go. Hindsight is gonna be everything when it comes to
12x19. I’ve dealt with depression my entire life (including as a
child), and while I understand that depression is obviously different
for every person, I cannot connect depression with knocking out Sam
and Dean in the middle of the night and leaving them in a public
park. I just can’t. It bothers me on a really personal level
because – as I’ve mentioned before – I live in a larger city
where crime and assault are daily occurrences, so
unconscious+night+public park leaves my stomach in knots. (If people
really want me to spell out WHY it bothers me, I will, but… go
ahead and read between the lines here.) It also goes against so much
of Castiel’s character development, because as it was revealed
later he revealed to Dean (in addition to Kelly) that Jack had
promised him paradise on earth. What was the reason that Cas turned
his back on heaven in the first place? To avoid
paradise, because in the SPN world, paradise is a lack of free will.
have yet to see what’s going to come out of this… but we’re
only in ep 6 of the season. Things won’t come to a head until late
in the season, and we won’t have a firmer idea of where the season
is actually going until probably AFTER the Wayward 2-part pilot, so
we’re looking at early 2018 before we might start getting some good
answers. But Jack’s powers
have already been shown to be pretty dark, and the season is gonna
get darker before it gets better ‘cuz that’s how the show works.
(It’s a dark show. Case in
point: even ‘paradise’ is bad.) It’s just a question of how it’s gonna get dark this time around.
note that I may expand on later: it’s
also interesting that Dean keeps bringing up “Team Free Will”
(12x19) and “Team Free Will 2.0,” (13x06) because it’s a term
that is widely used by fandom but hasn’t been used in the show
since season 5… and in
season 5, the circumstances were just barely above rock bottom; it wasn’t a happy statement in context. We have yet to see if that repeated use is fanservice – which it is, if it means
nothing for the story - or if it’s the writers laying
down some clues for us.
short answer: this hasn’t been answered yet, but they’ve been
laying down groundwork to let us know that it’s not been forgotten.
If you gave up due to where they took Cas in 12x19, I might wait a
bit longer before jumping back in. Cas JUST got back, and we haven’t
seen him in an environment outside of a wacky western yet. Jack’s
story is still unfolding, and that’s what’s intrinsically tied to
what made Cas do what he did.
[Sorry if this is really disjointed, I was typing this off and on over the course of a couple of hours.]