Why don't you like Harley and Joker being paired together?? Lmao. Stop shitting on what other people like
i’m not going to apologize for stating that Harley and the Joker being ‘shipped’ or whatever, is awful and ignorant. don’t get me started with this whole “what other people like” thing. tumblr is so, so blind sometimes. what upsets me the most is that you can’t even google something as simple as “joker and harley abusive relationship” where you can find EVERYTHING to back this up. so now I have to take time out of my day to explain this to you.
if you support/ship/pair Harley x Joker, you are supporting and romanticizing ABUSE.
unfortunately, before I was educated and knew more about dc’s comics (usually Batman’s titles, but this includes side titles that may/may not focus on Harley and or the Joker), I thought Joker and Harley were cute and I liked them together and I was all ‘wow they are adorable, I want somebody to cosplay the Joker with me as Harley, otp’ blah blah blah. keeping in mind, this was BEFORE I knew about all the darker content that comes with these two.
Joker has ALWAYS been abusive. dc almost has always written him like this, not just because he’s a villain. he’s just abusive, and that’s that. he is especially abusive in the comics, but they touched on this in the animated series where JOKER SMACKS HARLEY ACROSS THE FACE AND PUSHES HER OUT OF THE WINDOW AFTER SHE IS TRYING TO HELP HIM WITH HIS PLAN ( link to the scene here ) he also yells at her and calls her negative names/slurs (i.e idiot) which is not very loving, AND THAT WAS JUST THE ANIMATED SERIES. ONE SCENE. they also make it incredibly clear that they are in an abusive relationship, not just from him physically, mentally and emotionally abusing her, but at the end of the scene she begins to blame herself for what happened to her, commonly what abuse victims will do.
this comic panel always breaks my heart, as it’s another prime example of her constant denial and repetitive cycle of her forgiving him and letting herself endure the abuse again:
now, when it comes to the comics, a lot more is shown and it is much more harsh, as the animated tv show could only show so much, especially as it was intended for children. here are a few comic examples of his physical (and in some panels, emotional or mental) abuse. I snagged these images from this (x) website, just by googling “joker and harley abuse” or anything along the lines of that. the images will explain themselves, I don’t need to say much. below he chokes her, punches her, kicks her, etc:
I shouldn’t have to explain those panels to you, the physical abuse is clearly there, and if you look on that website + at other sources, you will see that he manipulates her for his own benefit, and in some cases (depending on the title or version of the Joker), he will lure her back just to abuse her, as if he enjoys it. he’s a sadistic, wicked freak who emotionally and mentally influences and blackmails Harley as well as physically harms her on a regular basis. I will note that in some titles, Harley fights back and often goes through anger and revenge mindsets, but it fades for one reason or another, and she’s back with him. Ship her in a healthy relationship, like with Poison Ivy, a character who loves her and cares for her (and has also tried helping her out of her abusive relationship.)
that is all. get out of my askbox. (if you ask respectfully, you will get a respectful answer. don’t be a shit head.)