there ought to be a lot more people on here but you can only fit so much on tumblr

lesbiain-deactivated20170309  asked:

marsha p johnson wasn't a transwoman, he was a gender non conforming gay man/drag queen, he even said (shortly before his death no less) 'i am a man' like you don't have to strip gay men (especially dead ones, which is incredibly insensitive) of their identities to make a point :/

Miss thing I know the tumblr feminists you hang around with get hyped up on kilos of sherm and bathsalts before they type into this putrid site and whatnot but I am not the one. Marsha was a pre-op transsexual and she wanted to transition, but due to poverty, the criminalization of prostitution, her deteriorating mental health, antiblackness, homophobia, and transmisogyny, she could not. Trans identity politics did not exist in the united states when she was alive as they exist today (because things evolve) and she described her transition in ways that would be considered controversial on tumblr dot com but they ought to be acknowledged. Interesting enough, tumblr feminists like your ilk and some trans activists here both have that refusal to acknowledge complex history in common. You people always want to deny parts of her existence to fit your compartmentalized narratives. Trust me you’re not much better or different than your imagined enemies so jot that down.

Moving on, Marsha was a transsexual woman and she described her biological sex as being male (a trans person describing themselves in this way wasn’t considered as much of a controversial act back then as it is now). She called herself a woman and a man (referring to how she described her sex or lack of access to HORMONES AND SURGERY), and it is clear that her existence was one rife with transmisogynoir and hostility due to her engagement in prostitution so she could have money to support herself and to fund her transition, which, sadly, didn’t happen because of, in part, the very same sentiments expressed in this dumb ass message u sent me girl. She experienced violence in the same patterns as any other transsexual woman in prostitution. Read Viviane Namaste to learn more about how transsexual women specifically are most at risk for violence that results in death when they engage in prostitution.

From Rapping with a Street Transvestite Revolutionary, an interview originally done by Bob Kohler on August 20, 1990, reprinted in Out of the Closets: Voices of Gay Liberation. Can be read in full here for free.

Kohler: When you hustle on 42nd Street, do they know you’re a transvestite, or do they think you’re a woman? Or does it depend? 

Marsha: Some of them do and some of them don’t, because I tell them. I say, “It’s just like a grocery store; you either shop or you don’t shop.” Lots of times they tell me, “You’re not a woman!” I say, “I don’t know what I am if I’m not a woman.” They say, “Well, you’re not a woman.” They say “Let me see your cunt.” I say, “Honey, let me tell you something.” I say “You can either take it or leave it,” because, see, when I go out to hustle I don’t particularly care whether I get a date or not. If they take me, they got to take me as I want ‘em to take me. And if they want to go up my dress, I just charge them a little extra, and the price just goes up and up and up and up. And I always get all of my money in advance, that’s what a smart transvestite does. I don’t ever let them tell me, “I’ll pay you after the job is done.” I say I want it in advance. Because no woman gets paid after their job is done. If you’re smart, you get the money first.

Kohler: What about the term “drag queen?” People in STAR prefer to use the term “transvestite.” Can you explain the difference? 

Marsha: A drag queen is one that usually goes to a ball, and that’s the only time she gets dressed up. Transvestites live in drag. A transsexual spends most of her life in drag. I never come out of drag to go anywhere. Everywhere I go I get all dressed up. A transvestite is still like a boy, very manly looking, a feminine boy. You wear drag here and there. When you’re a transsexual, you have hormone treatments and you’re on your way to a sex change, and you never come out of female clothes.

Kohler: You’d be considered a pre-operative transsexual then? You don’t know when you’d be able to go through the sex change? 

Marsha: Oh, most likely this year. I’m planning to go to Sweden. I’m working very hard to go. 

Kohler: It’s cheaper there than it is at Johns Hopkins? 

Marsha: It’s $300 for a change, but you’ve got to stay there a year.

She wanted to transition. She planned to transition. She was a pre-op transsexual woman and a drag performer. Tryda disrespect a dead black woman in my inbox again girl and I implore you not to come for me if you glean all of your politics off your dashboard and sleazy wordpress blogs.

anonymous asked:

Despite not supporting boycott movement(which consists about two users only), I have to ask- do you realize that by "they have to give us what we want" most fans all this time mean "equality for lgbt characters and characters of colors"? I don't want to be rude, it's just very upsetting how you purposely simplified such an important issue to vilify certain group of people (based on act of the few)

Thank you for your respectful message, I mean that. Since you expressed your concerns so calmly, I took the time to elaborate my stance a bit more, since I also come from a place of being upset. It’s a deeply rooted sentiment, so I hope you can be bothered to sit through all of it.

Oversimplification is a problem when it comes to engaging in online fandom. Within the group that probably feel targeted after reading my previous post, let’s say there are three subgroups (since we’re all simplifying anyway, please forgive me). 1. There are people who genuinely argue in favour of more equality for lgbt  and poc characters with legitimate arguments I agree with 100%. 2. There’s also a group of people who hijack these legitimate issues in order to bash other fans, because how on earth can someone argue against that without coming off as a racist homophobe? 3. Then there’s a third group that leech of these first two groups that don’t bother beyond: ‘No one cares about het drama, gives us Malec’, ‘Not Malec, not interested’, ‘No one wants Clace’.

The first group I support. I agree with their arguments, and they bring up legitimate issues that ought to be addressed. However, acknowledging issues in representation of a lgbt/poc ship does not mean one can’t support a straight white ship. I can be upset about the ‘strategic fade to black’ that was Malec’s first time, while also being excited for a Clace centric episode. Call me greedy, I just want it all.

It’s the second two groups I have an issue with. Group 2 bases their arguments on semi-truths, or truths that are not relevant for the argument they are making. This gives the discussion a broken foundation to begin with, and thus is impossible to engage, because how does one come up with a decent counter argument to a broken argument? To me, this is very upsetting. Genuine issues become trivialised this way, and custom fitted into an argument. High expectations not being met is not queerbaiting. A Malec scene being cut is not an act of homophobia. Scenes get cut, c’est la vie. I think they came from a good place when they released that bts picture, and never anticipated this backlash. Making an episode is more complicated than assigning scenes to couples, as if they have a quota for romantic fluff. Also, whereas it may be a handful of people being serious about a boycott, the ‘they should listen to what the fandom wants’ sentiment is a lot more popular, the boycott is just taking it a step further. 

The third group makes itself very guilty of oversimplification as well. It’s one thing to say ‘I don’t care about het drama, I only watch for Malec, and I do not want Clace’. Arguing that no one cares, and everyone is only in it for Malec is just not true. (This kind of non-arguing of course also exist in other fandoms. I’ve seen plenty of Clace fans claiming no one cares for Climon, only to criticise Climon fans in the very same post.) However, people in this group also frequently feels justified in arguing on behalf of the entire lgbt community. And that is just wrong no matter how you twist or turn it. A recent example: I criticised the outrage when that sneak peak came out where Jace gets the promotion over Alec. I was subsequently slammed for not understanding what ‘we, gays and bisexuals’ go through. This person must have looked at my most recent reblogs, which were Clace related, and come to a conclusion about me and my sexuality according to those random gifsets. How bizarre is that, when you think of it? I’m sure I alsohave come to the wrong conclusion as well about people on here, based on their Tumblrs, but I wouldn’t attack an individual based on that. Either way, in this situation I hinted that I, in fact, am not straight, but apparently was too subtle, and thus got asked directly whether I am straight. As if only my sexuality would validate my arguments that did not consider sexuality in the slightest, it’s just that that sneak peek happened to involve a gay character. 

Pan and bisexual fans, including yours truly, risk being excluded from the lgbt portion of any TV fandom by showing support for a straight ship, yet some people exclusively shipping lgbt ships feel justified in arguing on behalf of all of us. You can’t do that, period. Surely it comes as no surprise that someone who is attracted to people from both sexes in real life, would be interested in both straight and same sex ships. Supporting a straight ship doesn’t make me any less bi, just like being attracted to a man would suddenly make me straight. 

So, my post was not just about some randoms trying to organise a boycott. The boycott is the tip of the iceberg of a much larger issue that exists in modern fandoms. The Shadowhunter fandoms seemed to avoid many of these issues for a long time, hence my disappointment to see Shadowhunter related tags filled with such negativity and toxicity. It’s such a shame that such individuals can throw such a shadow over something many people enjoy, and it’s even more of a shame that these people shout the loudest, and thus are the voices heard.

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Hey, everbody. Absolutely enormous post here. Hope you stick through to the end.

I don’t often post things apart from reblogging, so this is a particularly special occasion. Let’s talk about something we’ve all realized exists by now, hmm? 

Welcome to Tumblrby JelloApocalypse.

Now, Jello is actually a friend of mine. He can be an asshole, but I do know the guy. This does not influence anything I am saying here, but you ought to know that.

I’d like to talk about what people are saying is wrong with the video without actually bringing the video into it, because it’s already been talked to death and it hasn’t even existed for two days.

No, I’d like to talk about a few important things: The idea of what jokes are “appropriate” to make, the topic of “trigger words”, and the fact that a lot of times, people appropriate jokes to be offended about. I know the second one wasn’t worded well, but I’ll explain when I get to it.


What jokes are appropriate to make? When is it an appropriate time to make a joke? Are 9/11 jokes distasteful? What about rape jokes?

My answer to this is no jokes are inappropriate to make. Do you know why? Because jokes are important. When I make a 9/11 joke I am not trivializing 9/11. I am not trivializing the event. I live very close to New York City and I have friends who were devastated by the event. It was traumatic for me to watch the live footage as a child, and it was actually a point touched on during my psychological counseling (which I received for severe depression, thoughts of self-harm, intense anxiety and social dysfunction. I thought you ought to know who I am and that I know what it’s like to go through these things). What I am doing when I make a 9/11 joke is getting over it, and I mean that in the most positive way possible. I would never tell someone to “get over” or “deal with” their problems in the typically understood ways (GET OVER IT, DEAL WITH IT, YOUR PROBLEMS ARE NOT IMPORTANT). Instead, I encourage people to actually deal with their problems, with a trained professional or medication if necessary, so that they may, in time, get over them and get on with their lives. Not because they or their problems are a nuisance to me, but because I know that their problems are a nuisance to them. Nobody likes to be depressed, or to suffer from tics, or ocd, or anxiety attacks. Nobody in the whole world likes those things. When I joke about these things, trauma, mental disorders and the like, I am not trivializing your experience or what you go through or what anyone has gone through. Jokes do not trivialize experiences. Satire does not trivialize experiences. Parody does not trivialize experiences. I cannot stress this enough. Jokes, by their very nature, are made to do one of a few things: make people laugh, which is a beautiful thing and helps to heal pain. Make people think, to allow them to look at themselves and their lives and see if perhaps they could better themselves. And make people happy; different from laughing, though similar. Laughter can make people happy but laughter isn’t happiness. Happiness is much deeper, and comes from true enjoyment of an activity, thought or emotion while in a healthy enough mental state to enjoy it to the fullest, while outweighing any negative feelings or thoughts currently being experienced. So if a joke is for making people happy, why would you make a joke about something that makes people unhappy? Like 9/11, or depression? Simple: because you want them to laugh about the thing they previously thought was strictly negative, to think about what negativity associated with that thing may be coming from them and not intrinsically tied to the thing so that they may eliminate the self-perpetuated negativity, and maybe, if they eliminate their own negativity and receive positivity from the joke-teller, they may become happy. 

INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER:In a friendly environment, if you know someone will personally be affected by the joke in a purely negative way, you should by no means just say WELL ALL JOKES ARE OKAY and make it anyway. They’re your friend, and the point of jokes, as I said, is positivity in the three ways listed. However, when making a joke in a public setting, such as Stand-up, Television or Youtube, you cannot personally know that some people will not be affected positively and, because of this, you should not censor yourself when in these mediums. In addition, I am in no way speaking of jokes that directly insult someone. Jokes such as the infamous tosh.0 joke, the gist of which is “get raped,” fall under this category. Bullying falls under this category. Jokes mentioning a certain group of people or behavior without personally wishing harm or negativity upon them do not fall under this category. They don’t. They really don’t. If you’re offended by jokes like this, I’m sorry, but you’ve chosen to be. That’s why you ought to let the joke make you think. How much of the negativity of the joke is coming from you?

Trigger Words: Alright, I’m asking for trouble with this one, but here goes. Trigger words are a bad concept with good intentions. And I believe the intentions are very good. Some people truly do have PTSD or severe anxiety or any of a number of other mental disorders that I in no way want to trivialize here. I have suffered from severe anxiety, I have a few things that “trigger” me, and I know people who suffer from PTSD. It is awful, and I am sorry if you are someone who suffers from these things.

But as I said earlier, in the absolute best way possible, we need to deal with these things, and in time, get over them. Not negatively, and not by ourselves. There is no switch in your brain that will turn these things off, unfortunately, and we do not choose what we suffer from. But people… even just saying “trigger words” which I’d rather not do does something terrible, makes a mistake you cannot afford to make if you suffer from “trigger words”. You are giving them power. A lot of it. I used to–more severely–and still do suffer from a specific thing I’d rather not mention. It’s a person. Every time I think of, hear about, remember, or see that person, I suffer from anxiety. I used to suffer from absolutely crippling panic attacks accompanied by a debilitating rage that would make it very difficult for anyone around me to help me while I was panicking. The worst moments I remember in my life–second to the moment which created this condition–are these moments I spent suffering alone and enraged. I know what it’s like. I am discussing this with you because I know what it’s like, and I would not be if I didn’t. But every time I told people never to say that person’s name, every time I did everything I could to avoid any thought of them, I was only hurting myself by giving them power. I gave them–not even them, they didn’t care about me, I gave the idea of them–power. A whole fucking lot of it. Every time I avoided it, the next time was worse. Every time I faced it, the next time wasn’t quite so bad. And this trend continued until I got professional psychological help and stopped having these debilitating attacks, even though I’m having tics like crazy just typing this. If you knew how much I was blinking and clicking my throat (probably my worst offender) you’d probably think I was crazy. And y'know what? That’s okay. That’s manageable. It’s realistic. Having the attacks I was having wasn’t realistic, and expecting other people to respect you and your life with absolute discretion will not help you improve yourself, and you will still encounter your trigger somewhere. I just had a friend tell me of his brother, a drug addict, who is triggered by the exact model of car his dealer used to drive. It reminds him of drugs, and he almost relapses when he sees it. But he cannot spend his life avoiding chevrolets, or mazdas, or mini coopersSo, too, can we not avoid our triggers. I have friends who are mutual acquaintances with the person who triggers me. I live in the same town as they do. And I still think of them randomly from time to time because of things that remind me of them. There is no way that, in my life, I will never encounter the idea of them again, even if it comes from my own memory. And I received help dealing with it, so that I may get over it and move on with my life.

Lashing out violently at a joke that even so much as mentions the existence of trigger words (not any specific trigger word) proves how much we want to retreat. And I agree, I too wanted and still want to retreat from my trigger. It would be so, so much easier to live life if they didn’t exist or if I didn’t know they exist or never had to think of them. But that’s not realistic and it’s not healthy. And, the specific jokes JelloApocalypse made in his video on the topic of trigger words lead me to my final point:


We need to avoid appropriating vague or generalized jokes so that we may be offended. People are offensive often enough for us to be offended. We don’t need to take jokes that aren’t aimed–and I mean this literally–directly at us to be direct offenses when they simply are not. And I guess now I’d like to break my promise about mentioning things in the video, because I can assure you, JelloApocalypse didn’t make a joke directly at any single one of you. None of you. Not one. And for those people suffering from triggers or self-harm or anxiety or oppression, he did not make jokes about people like you. And since I’ve seen this said, too, he ABSOLUTELY did not even IMPLY that you are making up having the disorders you suffer from.The behavior (not the types of people or even the people) that he makes fun of is the behavior some people exhibit for attention, or to fit in. Because no matter if you do or not or how many people do it, some unknown number of people do this, because some unknown number of people does EVERYTHING imaginable and possible. And there are some people on tumblr who do make up having problems to fit in because tumblr is a safe haven for people who have problems. When there are so many people with problems helping each other, fitting in, taking strength for themselves when society refused to and facing their challenges and the moral ineptitudes of a corrupt society, people tend to see that and think wow, that’s awesome. And you know what? HELL YES IT’S FUCKING AWESOME. EQUALITY IS COMMON SENSE AND IF PEOPLE DON’T HAVE IT THEY SHOULD FIGHT FOR IT TO THEIR LAST BREATH. And although I’ve never been oppressed for being anything other than fat and nerdy, I wholeheartedly support these people. And I wholeheartedly support everyone who has ever been hurt or suffered from mental disorders or just plain pain. But people see that and they have nothing wrong with them but loneliness and no better place to be and they say… “I wanna be that. I wanna be one of the oppressed, one of the struggling, one of the hurt." And it’s so, so easy to look like one of them, or one of us. It’s so easy because all you have to do is take the fact you don’t fit anywhere else and use it to fuel the kind of pain and oppression others feel and boom, you’re like that. But maybe you don’t really suffer from ocd. Maybe you’re not really depressed. Not like someone with real suicidal thoughts is. Not like someone who literally is incapable of sitting down at a table until he’s gauged what seat would give them the most advantageous view of the room while keeping their back sufficiently towards a wall and tapping each piece of silverware on the table to see which one "feels best” is. It’s not something we can control and, when people choose it, it honestly kind of offends me. When people say they have these problems but cite mundane or incomparable examples and then whine for pity or attention–which, by the way, the people who I know actually suffering from it do not do–it offends me! And I think it should offend all of you who actually suffer or are oppressed. This person is coming in here and making a mockery of what you do for the sake of your own gain. And do you know what the best way to peacefully yet potently point out their flaws is? I bet you can guess.

MAKE JOKES.

When JelloApocalypse makes fun of the people who “pretend to” have these afflictions or oppressed qualities, he is NOT trivializing or joking about the people who ACTUALLY DO have these. He is HELPING YOU. He is HELPING YOU by pointing out THOSE WHO DO NOTHAVE THOSE QUALITIES BUT PRETEND TOBECAUSE NO MATTER HOW FEW THEY ARE COMPARED TO THOSE WHO ACTUALLY SUFFER THEY EXISTAND THEY CAUSE THE SORT OF STIGMAS THAT MAKE PEOPLE !!WHO ARE NOT JELLOAPOCALYPSE!! THINK THAT -ALL- PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO SUFFER FROM THESE THINGS ARE LYING.So when JelloApocalypse pokes fun at those who CLAIM to have these things, he is actually COMBATTING the idea that people claim to have these things by helping to eliminate those who ACTUALLY DO. He is NOT making fun of people who actually do these things. That’s why it’s funny to me, who suffers from depression and anxiety and has suffered from self-harm in the past. Because he’s not making fun of me. He’s making fun of the people who actually didtrivialize what I went through by pretending to.





Whew. It’s been a long ride, huh? I hope you read everything and I hope you understand where I’m coming from and what I’m trying to say. I love all of you and I do not think any of you are acting with bad intentions. On the contrary, I think all of you have the absolute best intentions you can muster. But maybe some of the negativity you feel isn’t coming from the jokes. It’s coming from you, or how you choose to interpret them, or how you have come to expect to be made fun of because so many people love to make fun of you, and us. And they do. But I can tell you JelloApocalypse is not one of them. He can be an asshole, sure. But in the end, he’s one of the good ones.

Have a good day, okay? <3