the tully that keeps on giving


“I keep remembering the Stark words. Winter has come, Father. For me. For me. Robb must fight the Greyjoys now as well as the Lannisters, and for what? For a gold hat and an iron chair? Surely the land has bled enough. I want my girls back, I want Robb to lay down his sword and pick some homely daughter of Walder Frey to make him happy and give him sons. I want Bran and Rickon back, I want …” Catelyn hung her head. “I want,” she said once more, and then her words were gone.

King Robb: Jealousy

Imagine your husband, King Robb Stark, getting jealous and then having a rough/dominate moment with him in your bedchambers.

(I think I enjoyed writing this too much lol. To requester, I hope you like it!)

(Word Count: 2,859)

(Warning: Smut…lots of smut…lol)

“My Queen…Your Grace….” No matter how long you went married to the King in the North and of the Trident, it was still so odd for you to have people calling you their “Queen” or any other title of royalty. You grew up as a Noble so the bowing and the curtsies were nothing new, but the added titles of “Queen of the North and Trident” “Lady of Winterfell” and whatever other name your husband’s bannermen and people decided to give you…they were all so strange no matter how many times you heard them.

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     @handofhonor  ✯ for a STARTER 

        THE WOODS WAS FILLED WITH DARKNESS AND SHADOWS. Rickon didn’t truly did not know how to keep safe. His trusted friend and protector Shaggydog would never leave his side, he knew. However, he was still just a child and if anything happened to the black wolf he would be all alone in the world. Parts of him knew his family was out there, even if he did not know who was alive and who would never give him hugs again. Bran had left with Summer, he had told Rickon he could not take him with him;; it was dangerous. If his older brother knew what would happen next he might never have parted with the younger Stark. Not too long after they split up, Rickon and Osha had been taken. Nobody could be trusted anymore, and nobody would keep him safe. His own blue tully eyes had seen the big man kill Osha. The bloody event still often come to visit him in his dreams. Rickon missed the wildling woman who had taken care of him since his own lady mother left. Everyone in his life had left him, and the world seemed to be far too big for such a little summer child. WINTER IS COMING. Those words never left him, and he knew that winter was truly on it’s way now. Himself, Bran and Aray was all born in the long, long summer and had never lived in a true winter. Maybe winter was already here, he didn’t know. It had been days since he last got food in his body. The escape from the men who had tried to keep him and Shaggy had hurt him slightly. One of the men had hit him in the arm with a sward. Lucky for Rickon, it had not cut him too deep. Yet, for such a young boy the cut was deep enough to make his body hurt. Shaggydog had tried to lick it, and to keep Rickon walking since all he wanted was to sleep –––– if it wasn’t for the black wolf he would not be alive now. An old and obandend cottage had become his hide out. He had first made sure nobody lived there, before entering and hiding behing everything iside there. Shaggydog was laying on the floor, ears open for sounds;; as the wolf let out a slight growl. He needed to be listening to something, but Rickon himself was so tired and did not have the power to move right now;; he only held tight to Shaggydog’s fur. 

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Shennen huffed as she was turned around, “Gregor I must- this
is how things have to be.” She was cut of when she saw the vial
in his hand knowing what it was. She still had a chance that it
was her prince’s baby and she could not lose it.

“No you know what happened to Lysa Tully. She took the
tea and could not have anything but weak sickly children.
Tytos already does not want to marry me- he will not keep
me around long if I cannot give him healthy sons. What if
I have to be sent somewhere further away?” She asked,
turning back around and going back to packing.

GoT Re-Watch: Fine-Toothed Comb Edition

New year new season, seems appropriate. Thanks to all the people helping me out with counting errors in my post, some of which I have not yet fixed. I tend to count in troll: one, two, three, four, many, lots. Without further ado -

Episode 2.01 - The North Remembers

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cumragstoriches-deactivated2016  asked:

Is there any particular reason given for why Littlefinger is only Lord Protector of the Vale and not the lord in his own right, given that he was married to the ruling Lady of the Vale? I'd have guessed its because Lysa is a Tully and not an Arryn, but Bronn is also only Lord Protector of Stokeworth and he married a Stokeworth?

…because Littlefinger isn’t the heir to the Vale?

Jon Arryn was Lord of the Vale. His son Robert “Sweetrobin” Arryn is his heir and current Lord of the Vale. Lysa Tully Arryn was Jon Arryn’s wife and Robert’s mother. She acted as Robert’s regent and Lady of the Vale after Jon died, but she had no actual right to the seat in and of herself — her power derived through Robert only. And in AGOT you can see she has many suitors, all hoping to marry her. Not to become Lord of the Vale as that is Robert, but to become Robert’s co-guardian through her, which could also include stewardship of the Vale and the position of Lord Protector, basically ruling the Vale until Robert comes of age.

Note, if by chance Robert had died before Lysa did, then Harry Hardyng (Robert’s heir because he’s the son of Jon Arryn’s sister’s daughter and there are no living closer relatives) would have become Lord of the Vale, and Lysa would have been s.o.l. (Though as Harry is still underage, he too would have a regent, probably his guardian Anya Waynwood but possibly at least one other Vale lord as well.) Most likely Lysa would still have been charitably allowed to live in the Eyrie as Jon Arryn’s widow, but you can imagine there would have been greater murmurs of “she doesn’t belong here” and in time she might have gone back to Riverrun or who-knows-where.

But that did not happen — Petyr Baelish married Lysa, and when he killed her Lysa died, he declared himself Robert’s guardian and Lord Protector of the Vale. [edit: Some clarifcation — Lysa had indeed named him Lord Protector before she died, but the guardian issue is unclear.] As Littlefinger had no connection to Robert except through being married to Lord Jon Arryn’s widow (for only a few weeks!*), and also had a somewhat unsavory reputation / was an upjumped nobody, this caused much murmuring among the Vale lords, leading eventually to the Lords Declarant situation. Their letter spoke of “false friends and evil counselors” and a “misrule” that must be ended, and their intent was to remove Petyr from his position of Lord Protector by any means possible. Through trickery Littlefinger managed to convince them to give him a year as Robert’s guardian, and is confident he’ll be able to keep them manipulated and disorganized in the future.

*[As another what-if, if Petyr had been able to keep Lysa unjealous and alive for about 9 months or so and if she had borne his child, that child would have had no rights to the Vale whatsoever, but would have been heir to the Baelish keep on the Fingers, to Harrenhal, and distantly to Riverrun (after Edmure Tully, his unborn child, and then the Stark children). (Note Brynden Blackfish would have rights to Riverrun after that what-if child; also note this Riverrun succession list is somewhat faulty as it ignores the legal order from the Iron Throne that took Riverrun away from House Tully and gave it to Emmon Frey and Genna Lannister.)]

Re the other half of your question, Bronn is not Lord Protector of Stokeworth. (That title is not given to him anywhere in the books.) Lollys is Lady Stokeworth (since her mother and older sister are dead), and he is her husband. Bronn calls himself Lord Stokeworth, but legally he has no right to the title. (Though he does have a small army in the castle, who treat him as Lord Stokeworth, so he does have the right of occupation for as long as he can keep it.) However, Bronn is also guardian of Lollys’s bastard son Tyrion Tanner, and intends to have at least one legitimate child with her. That child would be heir to Stokeworth (surpassing the bastard T.T.), and as that child’s father, Bronn might be legally appointed Lord Protector of Stokeworth until he or she comes of age. Note, it’s possible that even before that happens, Bronn could make a legal claim to be Lord Protector of Stokeworth based on Lollys’s mental disability, but so far he seems satisfied with his, um, extra-legal claim.

So leaving Bronn aside, the actual situation closest to Petyr’s position of Lord Protector of the Vale was Tywin’s plans for Tyrion and Sansa. His intent was that Sansa would inherit Winterfell as the only known living Stark (as Theon had claimed to kill Bran and Rickon, Arya was missing-believed-dead**, and the Red Wedding was in the works so Robb was already written off), and Tyrion would quickly impregnate her. As the husband of the underage Lady Stark and the father of Ned Stark’s grandchild (slash probably the father of infant Lord/Lady Stark as the odds of Sansa dying in childbirth were quite high), Tyrion would be Lord Protector of Winterfell. Why Tywin just expected the Northmen to roll over and accept Tyrion as their leader is a question we don’t know the answer to, but probably they would have gone north with a very large army. Which does seem to have been part of the plans, considering the secondary plan that went into effect after Tyrion was arrested for Joffrey’s murder, Sansa disappeared, and the Boltons were granted Winterfell/the North and the faked Arya Stark. (**Interestingly, Roose Bolton speaks of the “found” Arya Stark even before the Red Wedding. Tywin was evidentially working on Plan B for some time, perhaps as a supplement to his plans for Tyrion and Sansa.)

Anyway, to sum up: in Westeros, Lord Protector is a title often given to a regent for a lord or lady who has not yet come of age. (As one more example, Ned Stark would have been Lord Protector of Westeros, acting as regent for Joffrey, if not for Cersei’s coup.) A Lord (or Lady) in their own right is the title given to the heir to a seat, once they take up their inheritance. And in cases where a woman is the heir and has inherited as ruling lady in her own right, her husband (if she has one) is her consort with no particular title unless she gives him one (e.g. Lady Rhea Royce and her husband Prince Daemon Targaryen); though he might become Lord Protector for her heir, especially if she dies before they come of age.

edit: some clarification on the exact definition of Lord Protector.

Jonsa Week Day 1 Entry: Children

Description: Sansa does best to memorize her daughters face. She may never see it again.


He was as vigorous as he was terrifying. Sansa had never sought to draw forth the dragon, that had never been her intention, but she supposes this was a long time coming. And now, with her child’s birthright swinging in the air, Sansa worries for her dear girl.

For this ‘heir’ is not that of Aegon’s seed, but that of his half-brother’s. Jon…The name still haunts her now. After everything they have been through, to be caught like this? Or almost. Varys whispers evil little things.

Tormenting a King who has fallen ill- or so one might call love. A weakness, really, as Sansa has been told before. Only love your children, a woman, a lioness had told her once, for they are the only sacrifice worth paying heed.

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anonymous asked:

can i ask what you mean about renly's littlefinger-esque manipulativeness? i always thought renly seemed, like, averagely manipulative by kl standards. although maybe he would have grown up sneaky

Hi anon! Excellent question. I think the sizable Renly fandom has completely misread his character, especially as he compares to Stannis (a juxtaposition GRRM makes explicit, over and over again). D&D would seem to be among that fandom, given how straight they play that scene between Brienne and Pod in which Renly is eulogized as a “good man.” I literally had to pause, stand up, and walk around for a while to clear my head after that. 

Renly Baratheon was not a good man. He was callous, arrogant, dangerously superficial, and staggeringly selfish; had he taken the Iron Throne, he would’ve made a terrible king. 

Compare how Renly and Stannis react to discovering (separately, before A Game of Thrones starts) that Cersei’s children were fathered by Jaime. Both realize that going to Robert without ironclad proof would produce disastrous results; neither wants to make an enemy of Tywin without the authority of the Iron Throne behind them. 

What does Stannis do? He tells Jon Arryn, knowing that Robert will believe the man who started a rebellion rather than sacrifice him to Aerys’ madness, but also knowing that a thoroughly decent good-government type like the Hand will be able to rebuild the Robert’s Rebellion coalition around toppling the Lannisters, and keep the basic functionality and legitimacy of royal authority humming in the meantime. 

What does Renly do? He tells Mace Tyrell, an amoral power-hungry schemer (and another widely misunderstood character; he’s much cannier than he appears, and indeed uses his buffoonish reputation to his advantage), and the two of them plot to swap out corrosive Casterly Rock corruption for corrosive Highgarden corruption. When the initial plan (replace Cersei with Margaery) falls apart upon Robert’s death, Renly neatly steps into the figurehead role, and promptly declares the end of hereditary succession and the dawning of the era of pure rule by force. 

Oh, but before that, he sees an opportunity to divert Tywin’s wrath away from him and toward the Starks, encouraging Ned to cement his authority as Lord Protector by seizing Cersei and her children and holding them hostage to ensure Tywin’s compliance. We can argue whether this is a good idea (I don’t think it is), but the point is that Renly is using Ned as a shield against the Lannisters while he prepares his own coup. Littlefinger, as it happens, tries to manipulate Ned into the exact same scenario, with the stated goal of exposing Joffrey’s heritage once Stannis has been eliminated…and seating Renly on the Iron Throne. While I don’t necessarily believe Renly and Littlefinger ever joined forces (although the fact that Littlefinger so easily draws the Tyrells into both the Lannister camp and the plot to kill Joffrey following Renly’s death is certainly suggestive), it’s morally telling that they improvise near-identically in the wake of Robert’s showdown with the boar. 

Or examine their contributions to the Small Council debate over whether or not to assassinate Daenerys. Pycelle, for all his venality and corruption, frames the question in utilitarian terms, arguing that it’s better to kill Dany now than let thousands die later in Rhaego’s invasion. I can disagree vehemently with that argument (and despise the man making it) while respecting it as a serious and considered position. But Renly and Littlefinger are so fucking casual about ordering the murder of a pregnant barely-teenager who has never done them harm; Renly breezily comments it should’ve been done years ago, and Littlefinger takes the opportunity to make yet another crude sexual comment. Why would anyone trust either of these preening adolescent assholes with power?

GRRM links the two most explicitly, however, in their contempt for Shireen, ASOIAF’s purest cinnamon roll. Here’s Littlefinger:

“A trade envoy from Lys once observed to me that Lord Stannis must love his daughter very well, since he’d erected hundreds of statues of her all along the walls of Dragonstone. ‘My lord,’ I had to tell him, ‘those are gargoyles.’” He chuckled.

And here’s Renly:

“If truth be told, I ofttimes wonder how Stannis ever got that ugly daughter of his.”

She’s your niece, Renly. Fuck you.

The exact phrase I used to describe both Renly and Littlefinger was “manipulative cruelty,” with emphasis on the latter. Renly does not give a damn about his brothers, even though Robert gave him Storm’s End when he didn’t have to, even though young Stannis would rather have starved to death than let Mace turn his kid brother over to the Mad King. Renly does not give a damn about the long-term devastation his “might makes right” model of governance would unleash; as racefortheironthrone points out, if Renly’s sons and grandsons can’t muster the same near-monopoly on force, then Renly has condemned Westeros to a Hobbesian nightmare of all against all. Renly does not give a damn about anything other than the pomp, circumstance, and ego-stroking that comes with the crown. 

And neither does Littlefinger, really; he’s much shallower and more impulse-driven than his devious-chessmaster reputation would suggest. He can’t keep himself from boasting about his (half-true) sexual history with the Tully girls, nearly destroys himself by unnecessarily framing Tyrion for the second assassination attempt on Bran, only survives the Lords Declarant with a remarkably clumsy and obvious mummer’s farce involving Lyn Corbray, and doesn’t seem to realize that he’s teaching Sansa exactly how to bring him down. Basically, GRRM has to work overtime to save Littlefinger from himself. To paraphrase Tywin: anyone who has to keep declaring themselves the smartest man in the room isn’t actually the smartest man in the room. Similarly, Renly maintains the impeccable appearance of the perfect king, but with none of the substance.


So I prayed to all seven gods, let the boy live. Let him live and I’ll love him. I’ll be a mother to him. I’ll beg my husband to give him a true name, to call him Stark and be done with it, to make him one of us. And he lived. And he lived. And I couldn’t keep my promise. And everything that’s happened since then… all this horror that’s come to my family… it’s all because I couldn’t love a motherless child. 

I think the reason that Jon and Sansa were the first Starks to reunite

is that they are the least certain, most tenuous pairing of Stark siblings.

Jon was Robb’s best friend.  Jon and Arya obviously had a little Mutual Admiration Society of their own (the scene of gifting Needle and “stick ’em with the pointy end” and the massive goodbye hug between them is, in retrospect, one of the most poignant of the first season).  Jon and Bran clearly loved each other (Jon stood right by Bran when Ned decapitated the AWOL Night’s Watchman and gave Bran instructions about how to comport himself in such a situation, and Jon’s last act before leaving Winterfell was saying goodbye to a comatose Bran).  I’m sure if Rickon and Jon would have reunited, Rickon would have jumped for joy and followed Jon anywhere, ready to do anything that Jon decided they should do.

But Sansa made fun of Jon, ignored Jon, “was horrible” to him (by her own admission).  Sansa followed Catelyn’s lead in her treatment of Jon as lesser, as not-a-Stark.  Jon and Sansa probably didn’t speak much to each other when they were children, and so they know the least about each other today.

So that makes the dramatic tension of the present situation much higher than it would have been if Jon had reunited with Arya, with Bran, with Rickon.  If it had been Jon plus any one of those three, both siblings would have been overjoyed, confident in the other, assured of their loyalty, pretty certain of their roles, ready and eager to work together in every respect.

Jon and Sansa both want that, too.  They want to be Starks together, they want to work well together, they want to have one another’s backs.  BUT they just don’t know each other well enough to know what the other’s moves will be, what they will say that might offend the other.  They don’t yet know what to tell each other and what to hide.  When to agree and go along to get along, and when to stand up for what they individually want and think is right.  They barely even know how to give each other gifts, how to give each other compliments.

Their uncertainty about each other explains Sansa’s keeping Littlefinger a secret, and it also explains her trying to make a show of establishing Jon as Ned’s son (verbally, in the “Small Council” meeting, and then with her gift of the cloak).  It explains the looks of doubt Jon threw at Sansa during the meeting – was Sansa belittling him by saying she had the Stark name even if Jon didn’t?  How did she get the intel about Blackfish Tully?  There are many things unsaid between them – how do you say, “I really accept you as my father’s son, and will never again hold your bastardy against you, even though I did our entire childhoods?” or “What are you thinking?  How do you know what you know?  How do you really think of me?  Can you truly accept me or am I a means to an end for you or do you just not care that much about me?” – and many things unknown.

I think the show is giving us the one Stark combo that isn’t a sure thing.  That’s good for drama and suspense.  I just hope that doesn’t spell yet more disaster for the Starks.

(I actually predict that Littlefinger will *believe* that Sansa will betray Jon in some key way, or undermine him or shunt him aside, but that at the moment of decision, Sansa will take Jon’s side and support him all the way.  Not sure what will be at stake, but I think that is when we will know that Jon and Sansa have a true and solid sibling bond.  And we won’t know – because *they* won’t know – until that point.)