RWBY V4E11 - What was the point of that last scene?
WARNING: HUGE SPOILERS AHEAD IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN RWBY VOLUME FOUR EPISODE ELEVEN: TAKING CONTROL. I URGE YOU TO SEE THAT BEFORE YOU READ THIS. THE ENTIRE EPISODE WAS ONE BIG REIGN OF HYPE AND TERROR. IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE EPISODE, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS RWBY, DO NOT READ THIS.
Okay, now that that’s out of the way. The last scene of Taking Control did not just tease the Nuckelavee Grimm again. I think it showed us that the Nuckelavee has some kind of special ability.
Let’s go through the last scene again. Ren and Nora are running through Kuroyuri, scared and intent on making sure Ruby and Jaune are okay. They collapse outside an archway, out of breath and terrified.
The first thing on Ren’s face is relief, because he sees that they’re okay.
It seems that it’s only them in the clearing, and that they haven’t been hurt.
“What are you guys doing here?” asks Ruby.
“Did you hear that noise? What was that?” asks Jaune.
Ren starts to answer, but immediately sees something and slowly drops to his knees, his head hanging low, pure terror in his eyes as he repeats “No…” over and over again.
“Ren?! What is it?” screams Ruby, off-screen. Suddenly we hear hoof-beats and hissing noises, slow and menacing.
“Wait…do you guys hear that?” asks Jaune, off-screen.
“Ren…?” says Nora, fear building in her voice, off-screen.
We see it. The Nuckelavee Grimm, with arrows from previous brawls still sticking out of its back, its eyes and mouth like fire inside it. And then the episode ends. Stop with the cliffhangers, RT!!!
This entire scene was just a little bit off to me. Ren and Nora arrive, but directly after Jaune and Ruby speak, Ren sees the Grimm. There’s even a part where his eyes dart around before he sees it.
So…um…where is it?
In the shot where we see the Nuckelavee, it looks like it’s close enough for Ren to see the details on its face…and I say Ren because it was obvious that he saw it. Everyone else was all “What are you doing here” and “What’s going on”. None of them ever mentioned seeing it.
Is Ren the only one that can see the Nuckelavee?
They could definitely hear it; Jaune mentioned hearing the hissing and clopping. But none of them seemed really scared. And here’s another thing to note: Every time the camera zoomed in on Ren, everyone else was heard off-screen.
Which makes me wonder if Ruby, Jaune, and Qrow are even there to begin with. Is this an illusion cast by the Nuckelavee? What is Ren really seeing?
Rey’s Theme vs. Kylo’s motif and why they’re more than just “mirroring” parts.
I made a video talking about this yesterday, but today, I have visual examples and a nicer keyboard.
So, I’ve seen a bunch of posts floating around talking about how Rey’s and Kylo’s music are nearly the same, or the same, only backwards. At first I didn’t think much about it, just shrugged and moved on with a casual, “Oh, cool. Reblog.” But yesterday I took a closer look.
Their themes aren’t mirroring each other; they overlap.
(excuse my poorly written music, I was distractedly doing this)
As you can see, there are three notes in the middle section that overlap in their themes, and the only reason they don’t reflect each other is there’s no note e between the third and fourth notes of Kylo’s motif.
Instead, John Williams wrote it so that where Kylo’s bit leaves off, Rey’s picks up.
Kylo and Rey’s themes can be written into a continuous stream of melody completely without any awkwardness.
That’s not all, either. Take a look at this:
Kylo’s theme begins in a manner that has an accidental (D sharp), which leads to a dissonant or tense feel to the music (hard to explain, sorry, but as we’ve all heard it, hopefully you catch my meaning).
When Rey’s theme goes through and plays her near mirror of his motif, it’s withoutthat dissonance.
Rey’s theme takes what Kylo’s has started in his destructive dissonance which his character so seems to hold dear to, and corrects it.
Sure, Rey’s theme still feels an element of wistfulness or longing for something more, but that’s not news to Rey’s character so it can be understood.
No, what’s curious are the implications. Now that we’ve picked apart what this means musically, we can discuss what it means with our beloved characters.
Does this mean Rey helps fix Kylo’s mistakes? That Kylo will be redeemed with the help of Rey? Maybe that Rey will acheive that which Kylo failed in doing?
Or maybe it’s something different… maybe with the help of Rey, Kylo can “finish what grandfather started” to balance the Force. Maybe it’s going to be Rey taking Kylo Ren out altogether and building her own happy resolve.
I don’t know. But I do know this: music doesn’t lie. Just like with costuming, lighting, set designing, casting, script writing, and everything else that goes into making a movie, music is thought about and has symbolic messages and meanings lying within it for those who can see it. Maybe the themes don’t end up meaning any of this speculation, but I promise it’ll mean something by the time these movies are through.
I’m 90% convinced that Snoke is possessed by Plagueis, and that his m.o. is to take on an apprentice, build them up until they’re extremely powerful in the Force, and then take over their body as his own. This is is the secret of “cheating death” that Plagueis discovered. That’s why Snoke, despite apparently being extremely old, just sort of came out of nowhere as a super powerful Force user and became Supreme Leader.
I believe Plagueis-as-Snoke is now grooming Kylo Ren to be his next vessel. That’s why he’s summoning Ren to him at the end of the film, to “complete his training” – by taking over Ren’s body. I think we get some foreshadowing of this when Han tells him that Snoke is just using Ren, that he is building Ren up just to crush him.
can you imagine kylo fighting against plagueis inside him and rey helping him defeat the darkness *screaming*
also i was always dissatisfied with palpatine’s account of darth plagueis the wise because the whole “cheated death” line felt either like a ploy to manipulate anakin or a secret that was never revealed. so this makes so much sense.
Like for example, Captain Phasma’s armor is made from the hull of Emperor Palpatine’s old ship from his days as Senator of Naboo.
And in addition to having Vader’s helmet, Kylo Ren sucks at building lightsabers. The reason his blade’s all sparky and unstable isn’t to look intimidating; it’s because the focusing crystal’s cracked. He’s a poser.
So … we have Kylo Ren in the Darth Vader fandom, Captain Phasma in the Palpatine fandom …
why are people calling kylo a whiny baby for having anger issues and generally not being able to control it (and just in general i guess, because anything he does they bitch about it.) when we
literally just met the character. we don’t know how his back story or literally anything that he’s had to deal with. i don’t think he one day just decided to turn to the dark side. those emotions on the bridge looked real to me, even if they were used to trick, some part of it’s roots looked like real emotions coming from him. something happened to him that made that uncontrollable rage, that pain.
who (what) the fuck hurt ben so much, that it pushed him to the point of no return?
i’m just imagining kylo ren building his lightsaber and constantly screwing up and being like NO WAIT I CAN FIX THIS I’LL JUST ADD VENTS TO THE SIDE and he turns it on for the first time and it doesn’t explode thank vader but it’s all jagged and spitting and he just looks at it. like. nailed it