the most honorable man in westeros

princeofsunspear-deactivated201  asked:

I just started re-reading the series, and something that strikes me as odd in AGOT is Jon's apparent lack of knowledge about the Night's Watch's sharp decline. He is genuinely disillusioned when he arrives at the Wall and finds the Watch isn't the idealized honorable organization he thought it would be. Yet the fact that the Wall is now manned by criminals and rapists seems to be common knowledge throughout Westeros at this point, surely Jon would've heard about this at some point growing up?

Thanks for the question, princeofsunspear.

I think with Jon, he’s in sort of a unique position in that he has a far more personal connection to the Watch than most Westerosi, even highborn Westerosi. For basically his entire life, and certainly as long as Jon can remember, his Uncle Benjen has been a proud - and voluntary - member of the Watch, and probably in a position of high command for a good portion of that time. If the son of a Lord of Winterfell can join the Watch of his own volition and no shame is brought upon him, and if a bastard can rise high in the Watch, then it stands to reason Jon would not see any shame in a bastard son of the Lord of Winterfell joining the Watch to find himself an honorable career. Plus, given that Benjen has visited Winterfell occasionally - Jon even thinking of his uncle as the last of the “high lords” to enter the feast for the king - I would imagine Jon might have seen the Watch as basically an extension of his current friendship with Robb; just as Ned and Benjen kept in contact and Ned occasionally hosted his brother at Winterfell, Jon might have expected to be the same sort of “high lord” of the Watch who would be Lord Robb’s friend at the Wall and come down to visit him sometimes. To Jon, the Watch is a place where a nobleman, even the son of a great lord, can serve with honor, as Uncle Benjen demonstrates. Add to that Jon’s seeing Ser Waymar Royce - the son of a very prominent Vale lord - voluntarily joining the Watch and being feted for his decision at Winterfell, and I think the normalization of the Watch as an honorable institution for highborn men was complete.

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anonymous asked:

It bothers the hell out of me when people claim that Jon is the heir of house Targaryen. Like what, by a vague bloodline that he neither knows nor honors? What dragons has HE ever fucking woken what fire has ever given him strength the only Targaryen legacy Jon has is the advice Aemon gave him like what the hell fandom DAENERYS is the heir to the Targaryen throne and the legacy of Valyria her ancestors's choices are HERS to correct & emulate I don't give a damn about R&L's marital status

Greeting anon!

Sorry about the late reply but I received the message during my vacations and well, I was on vacation. But I’m back now and better than ever, I think.

My dear friend, I feel your pain. This has been a source of grief for a long time. As a fan of Daenerys Targaryen, The First of Her Name, I’ve had to deal with the relegation by these fans of Dany’s character and arc to a delivery service that will provide Jon Snow will the dragons and the armies he needs.

Let’s first look at Jon Snow’s arc; it’s most important theme is his identity and what he sees as his place in the world. Jon doesn’t just want to be legitimized he wants to be legitimized a Stark. To find out that he’s not a Stark and that his father is a Targaryen will be devastating. He has no connection to the Targaryen other than, as you mentioned, his relationship with Maester Aemon and what he has heard and read about them. So, he has no interest in restoring House Targaryen and becoming the Targaryen heir, that’s not what his story is about.

His story is about becoming comfortable with who he is as a person and what he has been able to achieve despite the fact that he’s a bastard. Being legitimate won’t change him as a person, won’t change what he’s achieve. Legitimacy would be for the benefit of other not him, not really. His character shouldn’t be defined by his “true parentage” it should be defined by what he learned from his father Ned and what he achieved on his own despite being a bastard. Finding out who his real parents are is the last step in pushing him to finally and truly come to term with being the bastard, Jon Snow.

Okay, sorry, I needed to get that out of the way in order to discuss the story of the true heir to House Targaryen, Daenerys Stormborn.

So, I’ve very briefly delineated what I believe Jon Snow’s story is really about, which is not House Targaryen. Jon being a Targaryen has way more to do with the magical aspects of the story than the political aspects.

Let’s talk now about Dany’s story and its major theme. Like Jon, the main theme in Dany’s story is that of identity*, of which the most important one is her identity as the last scion of House Targaryen. Dany was not born and didn’t grow up believing that she was the scion of House Targaryen and that it was her job to restore her House, that was her brother Viserys who had been crowned king by his mother in Dragonstone. So, Dany’s identity at the beginning of the story is as the meek little sister of the beggar king, Viserys. But because it’s the world of ASOIAF shit happens and Dany found herself alone in the world, the last member of the once great House Targaryen.

Her whole life her brother drilled into her how they had to take back what was stolen from them, that they had to avenge their family, and erase the disgrace they now found themselves in. Viserys’ death didn’t erase these things from Dany’s mind, it made them more urgent. Dany feels the weight of her entire family’s history on her shoulder. It is up to her and her alone, to take back the kingdom that was formed by her family, to restore her House and to avenge the death of her family. After all she was the last Targaryen, if she failed, her House would disappear, but worst of all, it would have disappeared in exile, disgraced and in ruins, a shell of its former glory. It is now Dany’s duty to do everything in her power to restore and redeem the Targaryen name. This is not an easy burden to bear for Dany, it is lonely and sad, and it forces her to put away any personal want she might have had, for the good of her House and family.

Dany being the heir to House Targaryen is not just something that she fell into by virtue of being the last know Targaryen but it also appears that it’s something that the “cosmos” has chosen for her. Why do I say this? Well, in Dany’s first chapter in AGOT she has her first Dragon Dream, in which she presumably sees Drogon for the first time. She goes on to have another Dragon Dream in which she is healed by Drogon’s fire. Then, she has a third dream (during her miscarriage) this is an incredibly important dream, it’s her Fevered Dream. In brief, during this dream Dany is being encouraged by her ancestors to become a dragon.

Shortly after this, Dany walks into a pyre of fire with her three dragon eggs and hatches them, these eggs that have been dormant for at least 150 years. She walks out of the pyre unburnt with three little baby dragons and feeds them from her own breast milk. Please note that she almost symbolically gave birth to her House sigil, which is a three headed dragon. Now, she hatched three separate dragons but the connection is there. She then goes on to bond with the black and red dragon, the dragon that bears her House colors.

Dany then embarks in her quest to gain an army and take back the kingdom that was stolen from her family. During this quest she encounters Slaver’s Bay; which exist in great part to the Valyrian’s enslaving that region with the assistance of their dragons. She then uses her own dragons to free the people of Slaver’s Bay. Basically, undoing what her Valyrian ancestor did. Along the way she begins to learn a little bit more about her family from someone other than her brother, Ser Barristan. What he tells Dany is a bit different than what she’s heard. She is confronted with the possibility that her family was complicit in its own downfall. She learns that her father was a mad man who committed any number of horrors. But this part of the story is still in progress.

Regardless of this though, Dany still sees it as her duty to restore her family honor and the throne that belong to her family. She has her armies and her dragons and will soon set sail to Westeros to reclaim her crown and restore her House.

Like Jon, Dany has to come to term with her identity and what it all entails. She is confident in her role as a Targaryen, but does she know and recognize what that truly means? The good and the bad and the really, really bad? We’ve seen hints of this in the show, when Dany says that she wants to leave the world a better place than her father did. But I think Dany’s push (like Jon’s push with the revelation of his parentage) will be when she is forced to chose between the throne that she has fought so hard for and the fight against the Others. She will have to make good on her promise that she wants to leave the world a better place than her forebears.

I think it’s important that this choice be a clean choice for Dany. If Jon were the true Targaryen heir it would diminish the importance of Dany’s choice, in my estimation. Because the throne wouldn’t have been hers in the first place and so therefore her entire arc was a futile exercise attempt to regain and restore a House she wasn’t even the scion of.  Hahahaha!

So, then what lesson do we take away from this, don’t be ambitions, don’t fight for your family, their honor, your own honor as the last member of your family.

Who do you think you are woman; move aside so that the real man of the House can take your place.

Had Dany not felt it her duty to restore her House she might not have hatched her dragons, she wouldn’t have gone into Slaver’s Bay much less free the slaves there. She wouldn’t have gather her soon to be very large army and brought it to Westeros (where most all other armies have been turned to pieces by the War of the Five Kings. BTW).

And I ask those fans who are so keen to disinherit Dany, where would Westeros be if Dany hadn’t accomplished what she has accomplished? Because if you think that the dragons and that large army Dany is bringing to Westeros (however much it is reduced after her fight with Euron/Cersei) are not going to be extremely important if not essential to the War for Dawn then you have not been paying attention.

This is why it’s important that she’s the legitimate heir to the Targaryens, because her turning her back on something that is hers by right, that is just within her grasp, for the greater good makes her choice so much more powerful and meaningful.

So be grateful that Daenerys Stormborn is the heir to the House Targaryen, that she had the guts, the courage, and the cunning to do what needed to be done to restore her House. And that she’s bringing all that to Westeros, all her fight, her fearlessness, her determination that she will prevail. Because if she wasn’t bringing that, the story we would be reading would be the story of the end of the world.

This turned out a lot longer than I intended it to be, because apparently, I’m feeling wordy today.

*Dany’s struggle with identity is a bit more complicated. She’s a mother; she’s a dragon, a Khaleesi, a queen, the duality of her character, etc, etc. But for the purposes of this ask I focus on her Targaryen identity because it’s the overriding identity, it’s the reason she’s doing what she is doing.

Daeron II was married to Princess Mariah Martell, officially bringing Dorne under the rule of the Iron Throne. had four sons, his oldest was Baelor “Brakespear.” Baelor had already established himself as a war hero during the Blackfyre Rebellion but he was also a thoughtful man who valued honor and fairness. In short, everything you’d want in a king. So naturally, he died young. During a tournament he took a blow to the head, and while his helmet saved him, he soon succumbed to his wound.

Not long after, Westeros was hit by a nasty plague. Many died, including King Daeron, and Baelor’s two sons. This meant the throne passed to the second son Aerys I. Aerys was an intellectual like his father and spent most of his time reading and studying. Unlike his father, he lacked any real resolve or interest in ruling (he rarely ever wore his crown.) He appointed Bloodraven as his Hand and let him rule. During his reign both the Blackfyres and the Greyjoys rebelled against the throne.

Aerys died childless and his younger brother Rhaegel and nephew Aelor both died soon after. So Maekar, the youngest son became king. Proud, envious and angry, Maekar always had a chip on his shoulder. He fought alongside Baelor against the Blackfyres but never received the renown and adoration his older brother did. And in an unfortunate turn of events, it was Maekar who accidentally killed Baelor during the tournament. While his reign was a peaceful one, Maekar lived the rest of his life deeply troubled as he could never shake his reputation as a kinslayer.

neeyagirly  asked:

hey, just saw your tags on the R+L=J post. i don't know the story well, so can you tell me why you said lyanna wasn't forced? *trying my best to sound genuine and non-offensive because i'm honestly curious*

first off -  don’t worry you’re not coming of as offensive

We know Prince Rhaegar and Lyanna disappeared together, starting a war as a result. Though many believe he kidnapped Lyanna, others seem to think it was an actual love affair. Based on character clues from the men involved, it would have been highly unusual for Rhaegar to spark a war over a violent kidnapping

one of the reasons I (and many other people) believe that is because 90% of the time Rhaegar is described as a good, honorable and peaceful man

Ser Barristan Selmy tells Daenerys in season three he was the “finest man I ever met.“ Ser Barristan is considered one of the greatest and most honorable knights in Westeros. If he believed Rhaegar was a great man, we should also consider that high praise. Ser Jorah Mormont chimes in, saying Rhaegar fought “valiantly” and “nobly” and the Trident

In season five, Ser Barristan tells Daenerys even more heartwarming stories about what a wonderful man Rhaegar was. “He liked to walk among the people,” Barristan says. “He would sing to them. He was very good … Rhaegar never liked killing, he liked singing.“ 

In season four, Oberyn Martell also gives Rhaegar’s character more depth when he tells Tyrion a story about visiting King’s Landing. Remember, Oberyn was the brother of Rhaegar’s wife Elia. According to Oberyn, Rhaegar simply had an affair with Lyanna. "My sister loved him,” Oberyn tells Tyrion. “She bore his children … and beautiful, noble Rhaegar Targaryen left her for another woman." Oberyn’s choice of words makes it sound like Rhaegar and Lyanna had an actual relationship.