I think the writers seriously believe that if women are doing the raping and children who are produced from those rapes are accepted by their fathers, it's no big deal and can be brushed under the rug. And not having Robin or Hook properly addressing the acts is also a way of the writers ignoring the reality of having decided to use rape as plot points. As if the men were totally okay with it and knew they were bedding witches who were taking advantage of them, right? 🙄
Sorry, this got a little buried in my inbox.
The argument Brigitte Hales and Leah Fong used on twitter was that Gothel is an evil person, doing evil things. Which annoys me, because evil can be entirely separated from rape. One does not need to be sexually despicable to be evil.
Pan was very very evil, and made no sexual advances on anyone. The Black Fairy was supposed to be their biggest evil, and again…made no sexual advances.
Zelena uses sex as a weapon, as Regina does, and both of them obviously have a very skewed idea of what sex is. Considering Regina had Cora as a parent and was married off at an early age, she knows sex is power, and when you’re in power, you control it. She also knows that she’s attractive, so she can use that too. It’s not good, at all, and the way Regina treats Graham is one of my most difficult things about her character.
then I remind myself that the writers wrote it.
We don’t know how Zelena grew up, or what she learned about sex, but she definitely knows sex is power, and when you have it (the dagger, the spell that makes her look like Marian) you use it to get what you want.
The part that absolutely disgusts me about the way the show handles it is that after Robin is raped, there are jokes about it. Dr. Whale has “it’s more fun making the baby” - which is so appalling it makes my stomach twist up. No, being raped is not at all “fun”. Imagining someone you care about is NOT someone you care about and you have had sex with them, is horrendous, hideous, and…they play it for funny. “Once you’ve gone green, you’ll never go queen” is a rapist taunting her victim about how sex with the person he loves will never be the same.
And it’s not. As a rape survivor, sex after you’ve been raped, even with people you really care deeply for, is fucked up. Everything is fucked up. It is absolutely not and should never be the source of a cheap joke on a television show. It’s offensive, it’s vile and lacks all empathy.
I hate it. I hate that they wrote it in so many times, I hate that they didn’t address it with Robin and they won’t address it with Hook.
I hate it because it hits that trigger point that “you don’t matter, your experiences don’t matter, shut up and let people enjoy things, shut up and watch the show, it’s just an evil act by an evil person”
One of the most awful things about sexual assault, is that most people who hurt other people don’t seem like evil people. They seem nice. They smile at you at the store and can be nice in most of their lives.
The idea that Gothel is just evil and being evil is physically disgusting to me because yes, rape is an evil act, but nt all evils are rapists. Rape is so often the weapon of someone who can see as good, someone we love, that I’m deeply troubled.
Rape is so weird, because most people know it’s awful. Many people would rather die than be raped, and yet, we make jokes about it. We think it’s funny, We sweep it aside. We use it for dramatic twists.
If Hook started kissing Rapunzel, then the lights were turned off and Gothel started kissing him instead, people would agree it was rape. He started kissing Rapunzel, not Gothel. (there is a court case that goes this way, with two men).
I have many feelings about rape, and many of them are rage. I was never allowed to be angry about my own. He was family, and I had to see him, over and over. I had to be polite and kind.
I connected with Robin so much, because he has to play nice with his rapist. She gets some kind of shared custody. She’s Regina’s sister. She will be in his life no matter what happens and my heart ached for him.
And we barely saw anything about his feelings, his recovery, his struggle.
Do the writers of the show know how hard it is to have sex again after you’ve been raped? How terrifying it is to trust anyone with that part of you? They obviously cannot handle the responsibility of writing about that kind of pain with any truth, and I hate them for going there. I hate how callous they are.
I love Robin and Hook for being good fathers. I love that they embraced their children. That takes nothing away from how they were abused, both by Zelena and Gothel and by the writers of the show. They deserved better. They deserve to be allowed to have feelings and heal.
Hook seems to have enjoyed sex before, has he even been comfortable with that part of his life afterwards? Substance abuse is a big problem with rape survivors…did his experience add to his alcoholism?
Robin had so much deep emotional ground to go over, things to talk about, and they killed him instead of addressing the messy storyline they made.
I really can’t say enough how much I hate the people who made that choice. Reproductive freedom and choice is just as important as sexual consent and the writers of the show made a mess of both issues.
They don’t get out of it because they have cute babies and cute daddies. Yes, I applaud both fathers and their children, but I don’t think I’m going to stop raging at the writers because none of this needed to happen.
You want Zelena to have a baby? She sleeps with Walsh, she sleeps with some random man in New York. She uses a spell.
You want Hook to have a baby with Gothel? You set it up so he knows who she is and has sex with her anyway. “Sleep with me and I will give you what you want.” Sure, it’s a little skeevy, but it’s honest. It’s not rape.
I’m usually nice. I’m usually polite, but fuck everyone who was involved with the writing of Robin’s rape and Hook’s. Fuck the producers who signed off on it. Fuck them for being so cruel and closeminded.