Ok he would totally be a Grey Jedi. One of the Jedi who never succumbed to evil but was willing to harness the Dark Side for the greater good. And occasionally he would team up with bounty hunters or Jedi to get the job done. His lightsaber would be red. But he also has a blue one.
And no matter what the council says, he’s not a sith
I'm calling it. Rey is going to turn to the dark side. (for reals)
I was not exactly on board with this scenario when it first came to rise in the fandom, in fact I thought it was kind of a cheap shot. The more I think about it though, the more I see that there may be more than a possibility of this actually happening.
FYI, this theory post will not address who Rey actually is but focus purely on why I think she will turn to the dark side. Also, I am in the camp that she will obviously return to the light side. I do not want to speculate how long she will be on the dark side, only why she might initially turn. Also, some of this is perhaps unpopular opinions so you have been warned.
First of all, the music. Yes yes I know, why start here, but it is actually quite important.
There are many similarities between Rey’s theme and Anakin’s theme from episode 1. I know people don’t want to go there (ugh prequels) but the fact remains that both are composed by the same guy, John Williams. One thing he is really good at is foreshadowing and in Anakin’s theme he does this in spades. If you listen to both themes side by side, you start to notice that both are innocent in harmony and melody. Quite light and slightly romantic (musical term not the emotion). But as the pieces come to a close, they both slow down the theme and take on a darker, slower, quieter and yet almost sadder form. As if alluding towards what is to come.
As a music uni student I have listened to the soundtrack of TFA countless times but always found the way Rey’s theme ended to be confusing. With Anakin’s theme there is no confusion, we already know where the young Skywalker is heading, but with Rey we don’t. However listening to both themes gives me the same feeling - the feeling of foreboding, of something darker coming along to extinguish the innocence of these central characters. By assuming that Rey’s path is heading towards a darker path, her theme instantly makes more sense - it is also interesting to note that it starts in major but ends in minor, just like Anakin’s.
The second thing I would like to address is Rey’s character. What I find extraordinary is that if we peel away the surface, Rey is actually a much more likely candidate to be a villain than Ben Solo/Kylo Ren.
Now you must be thinking, WHAT?! but just bare with me. Aside from circumstances, looking purely at their characters, Rey is in fact far more dangerous and darker than Kylo Ren.
At the beginning of the film we see that she is always alone. She has no contact with other people and therefore nobody cares for her (at least that is how it seems). It is also interesting to note that all three main characters start off wearing masks (Finn, Rey and Kylo Ren). When BB8 insists on staying with her we see that she struggles to show kindness and generosity - she’s actually rather cynical, a bit like Han Solo, who, before becoming a hero, originally starts off pretty much as an anti-hero. When Finn asks if she’s ok when they are being attacked on Jakku, she is confused, wondering why he is asking the question.
It is almost as if she does not recognise human kindness or generosity. What she is familiar with is loneliness, pain, and struggle. This is what she has in common with Kylo Ren, which is why the interrogation scene is so nuanced.
In contrast, Kylo Ren is the opposite. He is naive, knows very little about real life struggle since he was born into a well off family and obviously he abandoned his own family by choice, as opposed to Rey, who’s own family abandoned her (at least for now it appears that way). He is also sentimental, and surprisingly vulnerable. It is in fact Rey who is the more cynical one, not Ren. He is more emotional than her, feels more than her. If he was cynical like Rey, he would not care whether his parents were alive or not, it would not matter as far as his path to the dark side. He would also not struggle so much between the light and dark.
Rey on the other hand suffers no internal conflict. Twice she defeats Kylo Ren and in both cases, the director does not depict them as victories, like when the Death Star gets blown up. The music (again yes music haha) ends in the lower registers and seems to suggest the dark side. And it is played with the scenes ending on Rey’s face as the focus, NOT Kylo Ren. It is also key to realise that as the audience, we are unaware of which side of the force Rey and Kylo are using during their battle (at least in the film they keep it nebulous). The use of the force is not as clear cut as it is when we see Vader and Yoda using the force in their respective scenes.
After all, if Rey really was a light side user, wouldn’t the title be ‘the light awakens’ or ‘the jedi awaken’?
The LEGO game gave another huge reveal and was very explicit. Kylo Ren states clearly that he feels the dark side in Rey. One can argue that every sith Jedi Padawan etc has both sides of the force within them but it is interesting to note that since Rey defeated Kylo Ren so easily, this suggests that she potentially has more of the dark side in her than Kylo Ren.
It may even be that they will eventually switch sides, with Kylo Ren turning to the light.
In many ways, Rey turning to the dark side would make sense. She struggles with remaining in the light while Kylo struggles with remaining in the dark. Who knows, they may even be revealed to be grey jedi.
She has suffered more than Kylo so she would have a much easier time tapping into the dark side than he currently does I think.
On the other hand, she holds hope (something she shares with Luke Skywalker - both dreaming of a better future) and this is key. She will return to the light eventually, of that I am sure.
But we all know that the middle episode (or 2nd movement of a symphony, as Kershner put it) is always where the struggle happens, where conflict occurs. In other words, where everything goes to shit.
And if the protagonist and villain switched places then…. well….. yeah, I think that’s a big enough ‘i am your father’ moment for me personally.
If we take the rumor going around about the force tree and origin story of the force (about the light side girl and dark side boy) I can totally see a convo between Luke and Ben Solo going like this.
AFTER REY TURNS TO THE DARK SIDE AND KYLO TO THE LIGHT
“Ben Solo…… at last……….. you have finally returned.”
“Yes, I’m afraid I misinterpreted.”
“You see, I believed you to be the boy in the story. The one from the dark side, who betrayed the ones he loved. However, I was wrong. You were never the boy in the story. How could you be, with so much light struggling to get out inside of you. No…. but her…”
“I don’t understand. I chose to fall to the dark side, I still-”
“Didn’t you listen properly when I told you the story all those years ago? Those children didn’t chose anything. They felt a pull, the natural pull of the force, forever separating them, putting them on different paths. You chose, yes. You chose to ignore the call to the light, for the sake of legacy, because you felt that your grandfather was proof of your true calling. Rey needed none of that. I felt it the first time I saw her, just as you probably did. The prescence of the dark side within her. You may have chosen to fall to the dark side, but Rey never chose. She was called to. She was called to the dark, just as you have always been called to the light, despite the conflict within you.”
(None of the photos, art or aesthetic posts in this are mine, just used as visuals to go along with it)
We all know canon Kylo and how he looks, but what about those other AU’s? I present, the ultimate list of Kylo Ren and Ben Solo AU’s!!
First we’ve got Smuggler Ben Solo, aka what Kylo would have been in the SW universe had he not chosen the dark side and was not force sensitive who takes majorly after his father:
Then! We have another favorite, Jedi Ben Solo! Another SW universe AU had Kylo not chosen the dark side. Tends to take after Leia, but still has his fathers attitude for sure:
Much like Jedi Ben Solo there is also Senator Ben Solo/Amidala. Given his lineage to one of the most famous and successful rebellion leaders and public figures, the young senator not only has big shoes to fill but does so boldly. Still carrying that Solo charm, Ben negotiates his way through the galaxy, fighting for the policies and actions he sees as doing right by the galaxy:
Then there’s a big favorite, Emperor Kylo. Basically still in the SW universe, but this time Kylo is free from Snoke’s control and able to be the grey jedi we all know he wishes he was:
Then we have a whole LOT of modern AU’s.
First, my personal favorite, what we can consider triplet/punk/generic modern/rock band Kylo. Like canon Kylo he’s got a bit of an anger problem but is highly intelligent and skilled in his craft (whatever it may be), he also has a dicey relationship with his parents. Though his demeanor is off-putting and intimidating, he’s secretly very emotional and thoughtful. In the triplet AU he’s most likely either the oldest or middle brother and is also the most intimidating of the three.
Then we’ve got College AU Kylo, who knows what he’s studying but a lot like modern Kylo above he’s fairly mysterious, kind of brooding and quiet, but reader certainly notices him whenever he’s in their nearby proximity. Given how intense his presence is. Most likely has a tendency to stare.
These are some of my favourite fics to read and re-read when I’m down. Sorted by fandom and occasional subgenre. This list is the short version - and if I rec a fic by an author I would gladly say that anything by the author is worth reading. #please check individual fic tags for warnings/ships/etc
Names in brackets are AO3 alias’ if they aren’t @ its because I don’t know or can’t link to their tumblr (or they don’t have one).
The problem with rec lists is that I could go on and on for ages and people who don’t get mentioned can feel left out like their writing isn’t good enough. I hope that whether I have or haven’t mentioned you here that you know that your writing is good! its amazing! its wonderful and worth putting your time and effort into and I appreciate it so much! I just had to cut this off at some point.
*sends love and hugs to the writers*
Star Wars (current obsession - buckle up lovelies) RE-ENTRY + JOURNEY OF THE WHILLS - by @deadcatwithaflamethrower (flamethrower). This fic kept me sane when I was struggling badly last year. Re-Entry itself is complete; the sequel series Journey of the Whills is ongoing. Qui/Obi is the main pairing though there are others. This got me into star wars fics and meant that I found a wide circle of awesome fics writers on tumblr and ao3 who are kind, lovely and talented. (IN A LONELY PLACE is a great fic by the same author and is smaller in size if you want something to get started with. It’ll break your heart ten different ways but its so worth it)
BALANCE by @norcumi and @dogmatix. this series is partly Star Wars fic, partly Re-Entry fic and wholly itself. As someone who is a big fan of Grey-Jedi and middle way paths I love this series and it is also on my Re-read when down to feel happy again list. Ongoing series.
PULSION by @poplitealqueen part of her larger Frisson AU that looks to be super exciting this is a story set during the Rako Hardeen arc from the Clone Wars. One of the things I love most about this story is the way Pop creates anticipation and her pacing is spot on. Currently ongoing (on hiatus in Feb)
COURSE CORRECTION by @freakishlemon Though only two chapters and currently ongoing I would highly recommend keeping an eye on this awesome time-travel fic. I adore the opening scene and the change that comes is epic and I love it. Makes me smile.
CORUSCANTI ROSE - by @the-last-hair-bender (emocezi) I didn’t realise I needed this fic until I read it. And then I was like HOLY SHIT! Its a really interesting look into what could become of Obi-Wan when the Jedi Order kicks him out. Ongoing (pretty please)
TANO AND KENOBI - by @fireflyfish Ahsoka has gone back in time and Obi-Wan is a soon-to-age-out Initiate. Can she convince Qui-Gon to accept her Grandmaster as a Padawan or does the Force have a different plan. EPIC! DELIGHTFUL! There’s a gorgeous duel in there that just had me visualising so hard I nearly missed my train stop. First season is complete.
OLD MAN LUKE - by @scarletjedi Old Man Luke is thrown into TCW era universe. Beautiful characterisation, caught my eye and then my mind and finally my heart. There’s something kinda awesome about a fic where Luke is old enough to be Anakins dad. Ongoing
(not fic but I want to give a shoutout to @wolveria and her amazing Star Wars AMVs which you can find here)
LOGOLEPSY - by @weatheredlaw and @vehlr Cass/Varric in letters. This will make you feel all the feels. I highly recommend the entire series and also having some alcohol and chocolate on hand when you read it.
FELL FAR FROM THE TREE - by @dammithawke and @hawkeabelas (LinnyBear) An interesting twist on DAI - with a young girl as Inquisitor and as she’s Hawke’s daughter you know you’re in for a wild ride. Unfinished but still very much worth the read. I adore seeing Hawke and Fenris as parents.
THE UNENDING WAKE -by harellanart a really interesting Solavellan story. Would also recommend the sequel/AU Those Who Forget. It captures all the heartbreak and heartache that comes from being set post-Trespasser.
WALKING IN CIRCLES - by Milee_Cosgrove Solvelyan fic, a what if scenario (what if Solas was captured by Templars and taken to a Circle) really heartbreakingly written, a vivid look at life within Circle walls, a great cast of characters and the last few chapters have been intense and heartbreaking. Ongoing.
DISLOCATED SOULS + DISLOCATED SOULS: SKYHOLD - by LonelyAgain a diary style fic, really well written. MC is not the Inquisitor, is from Earth, is not the only one from Earth. Lots of interesting social justice themes and a look at the inquisition from a working elf’s POV. Dislocated Souls is complete, the sequel is ongoing.
SIGHS AND RAISED EYEBROWS - by @i-dropped-the-chief (seeing_blue) this starts in Kirkwall and covers the events of DA2 as well as DAI. MC is the inquisitor and Alaran is just such an incredibly interesting OC, I love her. Also its really cool to sort of see the events of DA2 from someone else’s perspective. Currently Ongoing.
THERE AND BACK AGAIN - by ElyssaCousland. A DAO fic wherein the MC is from Earth and goes back and forth between the two worlds. Not the Warden but helps the Warden and others in defeating the Blight along with a lot of other things along the way. Currently ongoing.
Plus A Smattering of Critical Role
AFK: A critrole MMO AU - by @shippeh This is really cool, I adore the way shippeh captures the interactions of VM in this modern setting. There’s lots of great scenes, things that make you smile and things that make you cry.
TRY AGAIN TO GET IT RIGHT by TazmainianDevil
A time travel AU wherein VM find themselves in Whitestone at a critical point of history and ensure that things don’t happen the same way twice.
WHEN THE WICKED PLAY by @shadowedhills (seimaisin) Perc’ahlia and modern AU and holy hell there’s some wicked wicked stuff that will leave you fanning yourself in here. Currently ongoing.