Do you think Gator really believes all the stuff she posts about Ben and Sophi?
You know, I never used to. I thought it was a sort of performance blog which would post ‘ha, ha, I fooled you all!’ after about 6 -12 months. But now I do think she believes it all.She has the peculiarly North American mix of stubborn naivety and odd prudishness that makes her the sort of person, if I’m honest, I’d pick if I was trying to con someone. I think that’s what’s happening. Someone in their little group got a huge kick at being able to con her that they have continued to do so intermittently ever since. She’s not a skeptical thinker, she doesn’t question her own beliefs and she lets those beliefs and prejudices colour her reactions to BC and his wife.
She’s always saying she can’t understand why Marvel/Disney has let it go on so long when there are half a dozen obvious answers. But she never asks why anyone from BC’s wider circle would contact her rather than selling such an amazing hot story to the press or even gossiping about it in the many UK showbiz and theatre forums. Can she really, uncritically think that one of the dozens of people involved wouldn’t have said something to the press by now. There’s always someone who needs the money or recognition enough to do so
I would just like to preface this by saying that the meta lore with CHIM, and Amaranth, and this new c0da thing is probably forever beyond my personal comprehension. However, I find it more and more annoying as people keep trying to shoehorn a singular real-life people and culture into the rich tapestry that is the Elder Scrolls franchise.
As a history nerd and as someone who is fascinated by different languages and cultures, I find it a little depressing that people will essentially ignore lore and take only visual and audio clues and whitewash these fictional cultures.
As I’m sure many in this community are aware, there’s a lot of people who say Imperials = Romans, Redguards = black Arabs, Bretons = French and Celtic hybrids, Nords = Vikings, Bosmer = Native Americans, etc. It’s dishonest to this fictional world we’ve come to love, and to the creators and developers who helped bring it to life and put so many interesting things within the world for our pleasure.
Granted, there are tonnes of real-world influences in the TES universe, but no singular one can define the entire race and culture.
Let’s take the example of the Redguards, my favourite race in the games. Many say they are simply Black Arabs, even though there has never been a basis for this. If we look at their lore, history, and culture, we see primarily Japanese, Ancient Greek, and Turkish influences both culturally, and stylistically. And Redguard names range all over the place, from Japanese, to English, to Arabic, and even a few Romanizations.
As for the Imperials, the only thing “Roman” about these people are Latin-inspired names, and Imperial legion armour. One could also make a case for the Imperial City in a stylistic sense, but that would be a singular example. Lore-wise and culture-wise, the Imperials share next to nothing with the Roman Republic or the Roman Empire. There is no democracy or Senate, collegia system, patrician system, or anything such as theatre, orgies, forums, public baths, and many other things the Romans were famous for. Even the style as we saw in Oblivion does not match anything remotely Roman with the exception of the city of Anvil, which is mentioned in-game as having architecture inspired from neighbouring Hammerfell!
If anything, the Imperial race, or rather Colovians and Nibenese, take cultural inspiration from the Mississipian Culture of pre-colonial America, and some Mayan inspiration courtesy of the in-universe Ayleids. These influences, combined with the style of Oblivion and the culture laid out, reveals very little Roman inspiration at all.
If you really read about the TES universe provinces and cultures, a rich world is revealed to you, with each province being so unique and fantastic with a wide array of real-life influences and original content being blended to create dynamic and interesting cultures and lands. It’s a shame people want to bring the real world into it so often.
Quick question - How do we know what is a bootleg and what is official? I love seeing clips of the show that have been released through legit means but I don’t want to support bootlegs
Unfortunately, there’s not a good quick answer to this. Basically, there’s a contingent of Ham fans who’ve been around since fall/winter 2015, and we eagerly awaited and memorized and giffed each new bit of officially released material as it came out. So we can tell from memory when a high quality video or gif is not from legally filmed and released footage. Poor quality and the video being filmed from above (like from the mezzanine) can be tip-offs, but are not foolproof. Apparently one boot appears to have been filmed from center orchestra, and some footage is surprisingly high quality.
I would like to take this opportunity to sound off on bootleg clips being impossible to avoid for some time now on youtube. They have been flooding my home page recommendations, and probably those of most other Hamilton fans. As most of them are coming from a few main channels that specialize in that kind of thing, I really don’t understand why the production hasn’t gotten most of them removed. I suppose these things are legally complicated but from the outside it looks like it should be fairly simple as those who are providing clips widely and indiscriminately are high profile, centralized sources. (I even bitched to Hamilton producer Jeffrey Sellers about it on twitter *shruggie*.) Also mad because it’s just extra disrespectful to be so open about bootlegs.
I’ve even had an edit of a bootleg clip with the Schuyler Georges #Ham4Ham recommended to me, which is just so… again, disrespectful. It’s a longstanding fandom tradition to share bootlegs among those without access to Broadway on the downlow, and seeing that unspoken rule so blatantly violated in such a large public forum by channels for theatre fans is… it just sucks.
To get back to answering your question, the legal clips are from things like montages released by Broadway.com and the Public Theater (where Hamilton began off-Broadway), a WSJ feature on youtube, clips shown during features on 60 Minutes and CBS Sunday Morning and I think PBS Newshour. There’s like a main Off-Broadway montage and a main Broadway montage. A little more footage was released in the 60 Minutes special that aired just before the Tonys. Some of these videos are in my youtube playlist “Hamilton Orientation”. There’s a thing called the “B-roll,” I think basically that’s the full video that all these clips came from? And a full video of Burn was released officially? I think? at one point. Both have since been removed from youtube (but I still personally consider them fair game). Yet more new footage of the OBC is included in the Hamildoc (officially, “Hamilton’s America,” a feature-length documentary by Alex Horowitz about the making of the show and its relationship to American history) which will air on PBS on October 21.
I don’t have the time, but if someone(s) is able and willing to compile a list of links to all the officially released videos for new folks to be able to familiarize themselves with them (and enjoy them!), that would be awesome. Anyone up for it? I’d love to reblog.
A roundup of posts about Lin on theatre bootlegs and bootlegs of his work online:
Workshop recordings have not been officially released (and Lin does not want them out there) (he has put some of his personally recorded demos on his SoundCloud, though, and some–including Congratations–will be on the Hamilton Mixtape!)