the doctor still thinks of river as his wife

This is pissing me off

Hardcore river supporters need to stop acting like Clara meant nothing to the doctor or as if river will always be supreme. River belongs to eleven and twelve with Clara. “Clara is his bestie he loves her as a friend” NO WTF. It’s been confirmed that the doctor loves Clara in ALL ways, even romantically. And that this is the purest DEEPEST love ever, so don’t start saying river is the person twelve loves the most bc that’s a damn lie. It’s Clara. Clara stole this doctor’s hearts.
“Do you think I care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference?” Moffat confirmed that this was the closest the doctor will EVER come to saying “I love you” to anyone, and this is the man who made river song. They already said goodbye and ya’ll are saying “it’s his wife the love of his life!” Well that’s a bit hypocritical. I didn’t hear river supporters saying eleven still loved rose (nine & ten LOVED ROSE WITH EVERYTHING UNTIL HE REGENERATED) but there’s a thing called moving on that’s very possible for the doctor to do with river too. River isn’t THAT special. You guys always argue that she’s the most special?? Sorry but have you seen what Clara did?? Clara has been in the doctor’s life since he was a child. He BECAME THE DOCTOR BECAUSE OF HER. it was CLARA who told him to steal the tardis we have now. Hell THATS probably why the tardis started loving her bc she brought them together. Clara has been saving his ass every time since he left Gallifrey. She’s been there for him more than anyone. CLARA was the one who helped him save Gallifrey. She’s been HIS ANGEL. CLARA knows him best than anyone. The way she knew war!doctor hasn’t done it yet?? In the 50th it was hard for war, 10, and 11 not to love her they all literally loved her. CLARA saved him from Trenzalore and we have twelve BECAUSE of her. Like holy shit!! If you start comparing what Clara and river has done for the doctor??? No offense but Clara wins! Idc who you ship but stop acting like Clara was just like Donna in the doctor’s eyes (Donna was amazing don’t get me wrong) but hell, Clara acted more like the doctor’s wife than river song. That marriage wasn’t even intentional, eleven had to do it as a way to convince river to stop being stubborn. Even moffat says he isn’t sure if the marriage was real. You guys say river loves all doctors and married them all? That’s disrespectful bc what if 4,5, ect don’t wanna be married to her? And that’s a lie that she loves them all equally because (I forgot where I read this!) she had different opinions on them all, for example she found the first doctor to be boring.
Now, one more thing. Eleven fancied Clara. This was confirmed by moffat. After the name of the doctor, I’m sure his crush grew bigger, even making the mistake of feeling like her boyfriend. She was the first face 12 saw and moffat confirmed he was completely besotted with Clara but hid it in season 8, but then he accepted his feelings which turned into the deepest love of all in season 9. Don’t lie to yourself and pretend you haven’t seen everything that’s happened. Idc if you ship it or not, what you can’t deny is the kind of love the doctor has for his Clara. You saw heaven sent you saw that he’s willing to commit fuckin genocide on his planet (Clara is not proud!) you’ve seen him go against the laws of time for Clara. Twelve will go to HELL for Clara. There’s nothing he won’t do. So idc if you love river (I don’t lmao) but stop treating Clara as any companion or saying that he loves her just like he loved his other companions because THAT. IS. A. LIE. The twelfth doctor loves her more than anything or anyone in the universe.

I HATE SOME OTHER SHIP’S SHIPPERS WHO SAY DOCTOR DIDN’T LOVE RIVER ! HE IS IN LOVE WITH RIVER AND LOVES HER SO MUCH YOU JUST CAN’T STAND THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE MARRIED AND IN LOVEAND JUST BECAUSE YOUR SHIP IS NOT REAL YOU TRY TO MAKE YOURSELVES CHEER UP BUT YOU HAVE TO BE BLIND TO DON’T SEE HOW MUCH HE LOVES HIS WIFE YOU’RE SOOOOO JEALOUS


I MEAN WHO ELSE THE DOCTOR DOES THIS STUFF LOOKS WITH LOVE GRABS AND KISSES SAVED HER FOREVER MARRIES HER,MAKE LOVE WITH HER, AND SEE HER MORE IMPORTANT THAN TO ANYTHING ELSE YES MAYBE YOUR SHIPS HAS SOME LITTLE MOMENTS FOR MEANS LOT TO YOU BUT ME HAVE WHOLE MARRIAGE  THAT YOU DON’T RESPECT

‘’YOU’RE THE WOMAN WHO MARRIED ME

AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO SAID HE ONLY MARRRIED HER FOR SAVE THE UNIVERSE THIS IS FROM 4 DOCTORS COMIC THIS IS THE ALTERNATE UNIVERSE THEY DIDN’t SAVE THE UNIVERSE UNIVERSE IS STILL CLAPPSING BUT THEY ARE MARRIED 

AND DEAR.. THE WOMAN WHO KNOWS HIS NAME..HIS MRS. :) 


THERE IS A SONG MEANING I LOVE U

HOW CAN YOU EVEN THINK THIS MAN DOESN’T LOVE HIS WIFE <3 

‘’YOU NEVER DRESS UP WAS RIVER AT THE PARTY’’ ALWAYS DRESSES UP FOR IMPRESS TO HIS WIFEY

DOCTOR IS NOT IN LOVE ENPUGH TO FIND HIMSELDF STANDING IN IT WITH ME HELLO SWEETIE 

AND RIVER IN DOOM COALITION 2 : HE LOVES ME..

IN THE NAME OF THE DOCTOR IF YOU EVER LOVED ME (NOT IN ANY WAY IN A ONE SPECIFIC WAY AS HIS WIFE NOT AS FRIEND AS ANY OTHER WAY AS IN LOVE) SAY IT LIKE YOU’RE GOING TO COME BACK ! WELL DONE,SEE YOU AROUND PROFESSOR RIVER SONG  HE EVEN PROVED RIVER HE LOVES HER SO MUCH..LIKE HE REFERRED TO RIVER MARRIED A DIAMOND

NOW MY DOCTOR RIVER SHIPPERS SISTERS OR BROTHERS IF YOU SEE ANY WEIRD JEALOUS ANTI WHO SAID DOCTOR DOESN’T LOVE RIVER,SHOW THAT ANTI TO THESE STUFFS BECAUSE I FELL IN LOVE WITH DOCTOR’S LOVE FOR RIVER

All I can think is how Vastra believes some subconscious part of The Doctor wears a young face to fit in and yet instead of getting another young face, he gets an old one now. So if Vastra's theory is correct, why? Eleven didn't want to be old and gray. But...he's still got River's words in his head and in his hearts: "When one's in love with an ageless god who insists on the face of a twelve-year-old one does one's best to hide the damage." He stopped trying to fit in and instead tried to become the face he thought his wife would want.
The Singing Towers as a metaphor?

I’ve been thinking about the singing towers and how they relate to the Doctor and River. So far I’ve seen a couple ideas floating about and here’s how I’d describe them in my words. One being that the towers represent the Doctor’s two hearts and River is the wind and the water running in and around the towers forming them and creating the sound. The other is that the towers represent them together as a couple, both equal and standing together yet independent and separate and the exact distance and intricate formations between them are what create the sound.  

Here’s what I take away from it: It can be seen both ways, River can be seen as both the opposite tower and the space running in between. The question I want to ask is how does it relate to what the Doctor’s trying to tell River in this scene? He’s been putting this off for a looooooooooooooooong time, in fact if they hadn’t crashed into the planet I think he would’ve still tried to delay it again for as long as possible. He’s always known that River’s death was unavoidable and he’s also known that he can’t change it. When you think about it there is no way he could change it without destroying the entire universe. He can’t take her place because the universe without the Doctor has been proven to be unable to exist (see “Turn Left”and “The Name of the Doctor” as examples). Similarly, It takes us back to the moment he claims her as his wife on top of the pyramid in “The Wedding of River Song”. He has to “die” in order to save the universe, but she won’t go through with it until she can make him understand that he is loved. By acknowledging her as his wife he’s acknowledging her as his partner, his equal. They stand together both holding the power of both creation and destruction in their hands. In that moment he stops running, not from his death because he knows he’s going to survive, but from her, and River despite her insecurities goes along with it and continues to love him and accept him as her husband. She keeps his secrets and does her time. 

We don’t really get to see what happens much between them after that, but we do see the cracks in their relationship in both Manhattan and “The Husbands of River Song” and I think we can surmise that though the Doctor stopped running from her, he still kept a certain distance between them, probably because he was terrified of truly embracing her knowing he was going to lose her. The problem there is that River is incredibly perceptive and she would have sensed that. By keeping a distance between them she came to the conclusion that he wasn’t really in love with her, not the same way she was anyway. I think in a way he’s been both longing for and dreading the idea of going to Darillium. On the one hand he knows that it will give him a linear space in time which they have never had and they have both always wanted, but on the other hand he knows it will ultimately mean goodbye. By taking her to the place she really wants to go he has to face the inevitability of her death and so he delays it and in the process feeds River’s insecurities that he doesn’t really love her. She acknowledges the idea of him not wanting to take her there because it might be their last night together but I don’t think she really understands why until he describes the towers. 

I think when the Doctor’s describing the towers what he’s really trying to say is that River is the vital component. He’s lived for centuries untold (just like the towers have been there for millions and millions of years) without her and he still holds her in his hearts. She is the elements running and flowing in and around the towers, she is the Song that comes just when you need it, she is what makes the towers so special to begin with. Without her the towers are just two monoliths standing in a close space of each other. It’s his way of saying without using those particular words that he loves her and without her this destination is incomplete. In a way it is also a comment on their lives together, in the intricate patterns in the cave below which make the sound of the towers possible. It’s like he’s saying that no matter how messed up their timelines are, however complicated their lives together and separate have been, the result of it all is a beautiful Song which again manifests itself exactly when you need it, something so incredibly beautiful that is has a lasting impact which is never forgotten. 

Even visually speaking, the way they’ve shot this scene also tells us the two of them together represent the towers themselves. They stand separate and yet together for most of the scene mirroring the towers in both distance and closeness.

He’s trying to make her see, to understand that although he’s been rubbish at making her see how much he loves her, the evidence was always there. He always came when she called, even when he had no idea who she was, she was always there when he needed her. He guided her through her early days and helped her to become the person he knew that she was. He took her to the most amazing places he could think of. He forgave her for killing him and made sure she knew that he didn’t hold it against her. He gave her precious days of his life in order to heal her wrist and practically begged her to travel with him. But it’s not until she realises why he could never take her to the one place she always wanted to go that she truly gets it.      

Wow didn’t think Moffat could sink much lower with the Clara character what with having her still offering herself to the Doctor after she knew he was married and clearly loved his wife dearly, and the childish jealous pouting over him flirting with his long before meeting River real girlfriend Tasha Lem and giving River the verbal honor she deserved to Tasha Lem (the last who took the high praise of the Doctor’s wife just fine, btw) but then in series 8 Moffat has Clara offering herself to Robin Hood, even though she point blank knew he loved Marion and was pining for her.  This is who the viewing audience is supposed to  relate to? How about a big fat no. How incredibly misogynist. Amy’s chasing after the Doctor and sexually assaulting him because she wanted a one night stand with the Doctor before she got married was questionable enough, but at least Amy knew the Doctor wasn’t currently married and nor was she…. and when faced with the choice she chose her fiancé Rory,  (good thing considering who River is) And at least Amy didn’t treat Rory like a dog like Rose did Mickey, despite the fact Mickey loved Rose as much as Rory loved Amy.

Can Moffat just bring River back? She’s the female character with the most depth and it would look a far sight better if we saw the Doctor having adventures with his wife, who is not only his partner but his equal. There’s so much left unexplored with River and the Doctor, And really it should be no surprise that far more people of all ages (and especially women) can connect to River than these young pretty white girls that seem to be mostly thrown on screen as sexual objects for the adult white male audience.  The exceptions in New Who are Martha, Donna and River.  

The Child Is Lost...

Hello and welcome to Theory Thursday! The credit for today’s theory goes almost completely to belovedoswin, who pointed me to that one scene that connected all the dots. But since she already has a gorgeous blog, she let me write it. You rock, sister!

Okay, so the scene that belovedoswin pointed out to me was from Shakespeare’s Code:

LILITH: The Eternals found the right word to banish us into deep darkness.
DOCTOR: And how did you escape?
LILITH: New words. New and glittering, from a mind like no other.
DOCTOR: Shakespeare.
LILITH: His son perished. The grief of a genius. Grief without measure. Madness enough to allow us entrance.

Yes. A returning species,  trapped in another dimension, being freed by a word. Even if you are new to my blog, this must sound familiar to you. It is just like our returning Timelords. (If you do know my blog, you know that I think it is actually something other than Timelords, but let’s leave that for another day).

There is a lot of information in this scene, but let me draw your attention to the “grief of a genius” part, and especially the “perished son”. Because this is far from the only time that someone has lost a child in Doctor Who.

In fact, we do have a child-lost theme:

We have the Doctor’s daughter die in war…

… we have the little boy being killed from a bomb in the London Blitz…

… and we have Melody vanishing in A Good Man Goes To War.

As you can see, the theme somehow is linked with a war as well. We even have that poem:

Demons run, but count the cost,
the battle’s won but the child is lost.

- (A Good Man Goes To War)

I have long since thought that this poem might be about more than just the battle at Demon’s Run. And I am now sure that it is about the Doctor’s own lost child.

But, as always, there is more…

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