the copper isles

saltmaven  asked:

Will we get to see stories in the future from the lands surrounding Tortall? Any continuation of stories from Tortall and Other Lands?

Well, right now we’re in Carthak. The project I’m thinking of for after Numair’s trilogy will be set either in one of the lands Carthak later conquered, or one of the northern lands east of Tortall. Qiom and Fadala’s story is set far to the west of the Copper Isles.

Maas Withdrawal Book Recommendations: “Trickster’s Choice” and “Trickster’s Queen” by Tamora Pierce

Previous Recommendations: “Angelfall”- Susan Ee“The Goblin Wood”- Hilari Bell


Alianne is the teenage daughter of the famed Alanna, the Lioness of Tortall. Aly is bold and brave like her mother, but she has no wish to become a knight. Instead, she longs to follow in her father’s footsteps as a spymaster, an ambition her parents vehemently oppose.

After a furious argument, Aly runs away with disasterous consequences. Captured and sold as a slave in the Copper Isles, she discoveres that this whole nightmare has not come about by chance- her father’s patron, the Trickster God Kyprioth, has plans for her. If Aly can keep the Balitang family alive through the summer, he will grant her freedom-

-easier said than done when the family is targeted by an insane king and two rival gods…

This series is one I absolutely love and will always recommend! There’s even a gorgeous love interest with wings !! ;) 

AU where Thom survived Lioness Rampant:

He leaves Court for many years, back to Trebond and the City of the Gods to hide away and heal, build his magic up pure violet again. Even when he’s well again, he rarely stays more than a few nights in Corus - too many memories.

He does visit Pirate’s Swoop, though. Alanna is startled to hear him laugh with baby Liam (why name her firstborn after her brother when he’s already there?) She isn’t sure he’s laughed that freely since they were children themselves.

Alanna is hesitant, at first, about bring Arram - er, Numair - to Trebond, because no one knows better than her that it’s impossible to predict how mages will get along. They’re much worse than cats. At first her fears seem confirmed; both men are far too used to being the most powerful mage in the room, and it’s hard to imagine a tenser, more stilted conversation. Then Numair longingly mentions a rare book he wishes he’d never left in Carthak, and Thom’s eyes light up as he practically drags the other mage into what used to Lord Alan’s library, since much-expanded. Half an hour later, Alanna wanders off to find more food; neither man notices.

Over the years, Numair and Thom alternate between week-long magic!nerd sessions where they lock themselves in the library and occasionally remember to eat and months of haughtily refusing to speak to one another, generally over the disputation of some esoteric principle of transmogrification. There is no middle ground. 

One time they both got drunk and changed the northern coastline a little a lot enough that it took them three (sober) weeks to figure out how to reverse it.

Thom doesn’t like to get involved in the affairs of the kingdom. Of course he participates in wars - as if he’s going to let Alanna go into battle without backup! - but otherwise, he stays home. He never loses his drive to be famous though, to be the best, so he turns his magic to inventing. That lives on beyond his lifetime, and gives him to change to show off his cleverness. The globes at Carthak University that light when you clap aren’t his, but they give him the idea for automatic scrying mirrors, which can be used even the Giftless. Just breath on the surface and say the name of the person you wish to contact, and their own mirror (they have to have one with the same spell) will light up and grow warm to alert them. Smaller mirrors only do voice, not image, but suddenly Tortall has something that looks a lot like the modern cell phone.

George is the only one who works harder than Thom at finding Aly. They go to the Copper Isles together, and when Kyprioth turns up, Thom nearly blasts him.

I’ll just leave you with a mental image of the best thing we never got: Thom and Alanna back to back; her in golden armor, sword slicing through the surrounding enemies; him in a black robe, hands raised, firing amethyst lighting bolts; both surrounded by a nimbus of purple fire, matching orange hair almost ablaze with it.

I wish there was more appreciation for tamorapierce because if y'all people support strong females and you haven’t read her books, you’re missing out. Her books are full of strong female characters who become some of the strongest people in their realms!

Alana of Trebond was a renowned knight throughout the world and was even respected by the Shang Dragon.
Beka Cooper became one of the best in the Provost Guard and solved murders that had been long since cold cases.
Alianne, Alana’s daughter, is kidnapped, put into slavery, and uses her knowledge of the spy community to successfully run a rebellion and becomes the spy master of the place!
Diane is fraking amazing and saves tortall basically twice! And she beats the emperor of Carthak at his own game!

These girls are strong, independent, compassionate, AND the love story, is minor and NOT a key part to the success they have! It is there, sometimes, but they don’t need it, they want it. And that’s an important difference.

Just bravo to Tamora for her amazing world and all the strong characters in it!

I made a Tortall map combining elements from Lioness Rampant, Emperor Mage, Lady Knight, and Mastiff

this is a super inaccurate map for a few reasons. some of these places don’t exist anymore/came in existence between books (ie Blue Harbor, and p much all of the Grimhold Mountains were Scanra in Lioness Rampant, and became Tortall between then and Lady Knight [probably around the time that Kel’s parents were given a barony]). Also, some of the shapes change from map to map. I did my best.

Also, we don’t know a ton about environments, besides the southern desert, so I guessed and forests and grassland

This was super fun, finding all the cities and fiefs and putting them all on one map. I would have put more in the neighboring nations, but decided to focus just on Tortall.

And I didn’t put the Copper Isles cause I wasn’t up to the task

know what i really want

a tortall video game

it could have classes like knight (specializations: hero or commander), mage (healer or combat), soldier (regular or rider), and rogue (thief or spy). and you could travel through tortall completing quests, with expansions into the copper isles, carthak, scanra, the eastern countries, and instances in border skirmeshes and the divine realms. and the characters as quest granting npcs!!! and romancible characters with non-hetero options!!!

i need this. if we can’t get movies or a tv show, i demand a video game

roxashighwind  asked:

So, I know it's SOMEWHERE on the internet unless I'm completely delusional and made it up in my head, but at one point Tammy told the internet at large what the real world equivalents of many of the countries in both the Tortall and Emelan books. Do you happen to know the general breakdown for Tortall? I can't seem to find it :(

I think you’re looking for this:

Tortall, Tusaine, Maren, and Galla are based pretty much on medieval Europe and England, without particular differentiation between countries. Scanra is more Scandinavia (I tapped medieval Russia for Kugisko in COLD FIRE). Tyra is my Venice-like merchant republic; Saraine is a medly of medieval Europe, Southeast Asia, and samurai culture (well, samurai armor, anyway). Carthak is a mishmosh that includes Egypt, but also Phoenecia, Assyria, and the Hittite Empire of the Middle East, caulked with Roman cuisine in places. The Yamani Islands are definitely based on samurai history. The Copper Isles, well, the wildlife I dumped there in earlier books was Central and South American, but the Amazonian cultures are tribal ones, and I wanted an established culture that has things like palaces, so I looked to Indonesia.


Aly’s Impartiality

I’ve been going through the Trickster book again and it struck me this time that I’m not really comfortable with Aly being positioned as impartial. It’s come up a couple times that she’s an outsider, sees things with fresh eyes, doesn’t have the hangups and loyalties of the people involved and therefor is more impartial and more likely to have clear and true observations. And that’s… kind of bullshit.

-Aly is a citizen of Tortall, which is often at odds with the Isles. Here’s a quote:

“A push from the right people might throw this country into civil war. That was news worth taking home. Too often in the past the Copper Isles had meddled in Toratllan affairs. Perhaps its rulers needed something to keep them busy.” (chapter 3)

That’s from Aly’s point of view. She’s not impartial because the politics of the Isles will have a direct effect on Tortall. And a direct effect on her life in Tortall since her parents are right up in the highest parts of the politics there and she assists her father. Aly also mentions in the second book that the rulers of the Isles hire pirates to raid Tortall, and Aly’s family’s lands are on the coast and are attacked by pirates on the regular. So Aly’s household is directly effected by decisions made by the rulers of the Isles. The more trouble in the Isles, the less trouble the Isles can make in her home.

-Aly’s mom killed a member of the ruling family in the Isles. She will have grown up knowing this since it’s part of a major recent historical event (Jon becoming king). So she’s grown up knowing that the Isles rulers send pirates to raid her home country, and knowing that one of the ruling family tried to kill her mom and was killed by her mom. That is not an impartial starting point!

There is also that Aly is white, and the Isles are a place where white people are in power primarily by keeping black people from having/gaining/keeping power, but I’m going to take some time to think before tackling that aspect. For the time being I’ll just say that being a white member of a primarily white ruling class does not make for impartiality in a conflict between a primarily white ruling class and a primarily black serving class.

There is also all that lovely disablism going on with the “madness” of the rulers, but that’s several posts all on it’s own. Suffice to say for now that considering an entire family “mad” without ever meeting them does not make for an impartial view.

Aly has preconceptions about the people in the Isles. She has vested interests in the actions of the rulers there, and through them in the actions of the populace. She has prejudices like everybody. She’s not impartial. I really wish she would stop playing like she is to try to add weight to her opinions.

(For the record, I do not think anyone can ever be entirely impartial in any issue. We all have preconceptions and prejudices.)

  • Sarralin Salmalin, shape-shifter extraordinaire (in my head Daine and Numair’s magic blended in a way that lets her turn into anyone and anything living or not), new Queen’s Riders candidate
  • A queer Bazhir shamaness in a world that still assumes her job should be a man’s and that doesn’t even acknowledge queerness as a possibility
  • A mixed-race Copper Isles commoner who’s a BAMF with a staff and wants to be Dove’s bodyguard despite her age, gender, and relative lack of experience, but isn’t ready for the political aspects of the job
  • A Carthaki who has a gift with immortals that leads her to the position of running the menagerie
  • A Yamani lady who faces threats from inside and outside her family
  • A Scanran with a talent and loathing for necromancy, who is courted by a great many people who want to use her gift but who just wants to find a way to use it for healing
  • A K'mir-Tortallan mixed-race noble who despite having all the qualifications of a Rider decides to face the rampant sexism and racism to become a knight

While rereading First Test for the umpteenth time, I noticed something I never had before. In chapter four, Myles asks why the Immortals War started, why several of Tortall’s neighbors attacked our beloved homeland. Now, having read Daine’s books, we know it’s a series of fairly complicated political issues stemming from Ozorne’s attempt at domination, Immortal creatures displeasure with humans and lack of a place of their own, unsatisfied nobles within Tortall, and the willingness of foreign countries to take advantage of Tortall’s distraction.

However, Joren says that it’s because “The King’s Champion killed a Copper Island princess thirteen years ago.” This is an interesting preview/summary or Joren’s opinions, subtler than others seen this early in the series. It seems that Joren (and his parents, whose opinions he is presumably parroting) blame Alanna for this war. This is despite the fact that it was indisputably Ozorne and his mages who brought the immortals and started the hostility, and, as far as I can tell, nearly all of the human opposition was led by and consisted of Carthakis. In Aly’s books, we learn that no one in the Copper Isles really care that Alanna killed Josiane; they all knew she was unstable and assumed she deserved it. Yet, it is all her fault according to Joren.

TL;DR Look, Joren’s a bigot!



I, bookphile, will be hosting a Tamora Pierce Tortall Universe read-a-thon from August through October (because there’re 17 books come on now). Why? Because she’s my favorite author and more people on tumblr need to know about her books!! There are five series of books in the Tortall universe (three with 4 books, one with 2, and one with 3).


-Send me an email ( by July 27th saying you want to join the read-a-thon. And if you want to join only for a specific series, or all of them. I will open entries again when we’re close to finishing each series, just to give more people a chance. I will create a group for us on goodreads for discussions. And maybe host discussions on a chat board after each series.

-You do not have to participate in all the series (re-)reads. So if you only want to read one series and participate and don’t want to read the rest of the books that’s fine. Or if you want to join in later, because you don’t want to (re)read the earlier books, that’s fine, too. I strongly recommend you do not join later on if you have not read the early books because you will be confused. But you must join before book 1 of each series begins to be read, and you must read the entire series not just one or two books. 

-I will be posting quotes from the books, reblogging fan art, asking questions, leading discussions on this blog and the book club.  You’re welcome to do whatever you like, reblog, comment, etc. If you want to reblog something or post something for me to see please tag it with either bookphile or tortallbookclub, make sure you don’t have more than 5 tags per post or else tumblr won’t let me see them (their rules not mine). You can also submit posts to me.

-After we finish reading all the books, I will host a giveaway, in which a winner will get to pick a series (with all the books) as prize.  But only people who participate in the read-a-thon will be allowed to enter. I will not be making the link to the giveaway public on this blog.

The series will be read in this order (dates are tentative):

The Song of the Lioness Quartet August 1st to 10th 

From Goodreads: The Song of the Lioness quartet is the adventurous story of one girl’s journey to overcome the obstacles facing her, become a valiant knight, and save Tortall from conquest. Alanna douses her female identity to begin her training in Alanna: The First Adventure, and when she gains squire status in In the Hand of the Goddess, her growing abilities make her a few friends – and many enemies. Books 3 and 4 complete Alanna’s adventure and secure her legend, with the new knight errant taking on desert tribesmen in The Woman Who Rides like a Man and seeking out the powerful Dominion Jewel in Lioness Rampant.

4 books. The Lioness books aren’t that thick and read quickly, so ten days should suffice, plus that’s two weekends.

The Immortals Quartet August 11th to 24th

From Wiki: The Immortals quartet, by Tamora Pierce, is the story of Veralidaine Sarrasri (known as Daine), an orphan with an unusual talent: she can speak with animals.

4 books. The Immortals books are a bit thicker, so I’m giving them a bit more time, but again, that’s two weekends.

Protector of the Small Quartet August 25th to September 14th

From Goodreads:  Ten-year-old Keladry of Mindalen, daughter of nobles, serves as a page but must prove herself to the males around her if she is ever to fulfill her dream of becoming a knight. 

4 books. While the first two books aren’t that thick, the last two are. Plus the writing and world gets much more complex. So this will take a couple of weeks. I’m guessing quite a few people will be going back to school as well.

The Daughter of the Lioness Duology September 15h - Sep 28th

Sixteen is a rebellious age for most young people, and Aly is no exception. With her mother, the lady knight Alanna, forever being summoned to some crisis or other, and the young men of Tortall little more than diversions, Aly is bored and restless. But everything changes when Aly, sailing alone down the coast of Tortall, is captured by pirates and winds up a slave to the Balitangs, a kindly noble family of the Copper Isles. Enter Kyprioth, patron god of the Isles, also known as Trickster, who is looking to shift the balance of power back to his raka worshipers. But deals with gods are never simple matters; she doesn’t count on becoming personally involved in the raka revolt, or with an unusual young man who has his own plans for Aly..

Only two books, but they’re quiet thick, so I’m giving it two weeks, one for each book. School will be back in session so I’m taking that into account.

Provost’s Dog Trilogy September 29th - October 19th

Hundreds of years before Alanna first drew her sword in Tamora Pierce’s memorable debut, Alanna: The First Adventure, Tortall had a heroine named Beka Cooper - a fierce young woman who fights crime in a world of magic. This is the beginning of her story, her legend, and her legacy….

Three books, also quiet thick, so one week per each book. 

Please respond by July 25th, I mean, I’ll do it, even if no one else does, but I wouldn’t mind company. If you have any questions, don’t hesitate to ask.