the cia is carrie

acaramela  asked:

Hey can I ask you something and this is a thoroughly ignorant question but I'm Latina and I grew up learning that Castro killed his own people and that he just was a terrible dictator. I even have friends from around the region that support this and say that Castro and communism are responsible for the suffering of the Cuban people. Could you explain to me why this isn't the case? I just can't find any other reliable sources to inform myself. Thank you.

im sorry this is long, but read the whole thing, its all important information

First, Cuba isn’t a one-man or military dictatorship. A lot of people don’t know this, especially in countries allied with America, but Cuba is highly democratic, and even takes measures to stop corruption in politics. For example, elected representatives are paid workers’ wages, so there is no monetary incentive to run for office, all voting is by secret ballot, votes are counted in public, voting is voluntary, elected representatives can be recalled at any time, women make up 48.9% of the Cuban government (a hell of a lot more than the US which can’t even break 20% in its Congress), it is illegal to spend any money on political campaigns to advertise for particular candidates, and candidates’ biographies and their reasons for standing are posted on public notice boards so everyone has equal exposure.

The nomination and election of local candidates for office is done in public meetings, with return meetings happening every 6 months. There are limitations in higher levels of the government, where voters must choose to either accept or reject a single nominee, but as far as i know, the principles of recall and community nomination still hold true.

You can read more about Cuban democracy here:

Why Cuba Still Matters // Representative Government in Socialist Cuba // Cuban Democracy Fact Sheet // How to Visit a Socialist Country // 

As for the specific claim that Castro is a dictator, its on very shaky grounds (to say the least). Its true, of course, that Fidel and Raul have been the only presidents of Cuba since the revolution. However, the presidency isn’t chosen like it is in America, directly (well, its not even direct in America, but thats another topic). The presidency is chosen through the elected parliament (national assembly).

Delegates to the National Assembly are elected every 5 years, half nominated from municipalities and half nominated by mass organizations (like trade unions, women’s orgs, cultural orgs, etc.). Each nominee must receive at least 50% of the vote. All in all, there are 612 delegates, and 48.9% are women. 

The National Assembly votes on who belongs to the Council of State, which appoints the ministers, Presidency, and Vice Presidency. And following a 2011 Congress of the Communist Party, senior elected officials can only serve two terms (10 years) in office. That means in 2018, Raul Castro will step down and a new President will be chosen.

We should also talk about what exactly “dictatorship” means. All societies are dictatorial for some and free for others, because all states are institutions of class rule. Cuba, while I don’t believe it has a socialist economy (and thus not a socialist government) has absolutely shown what can be done with the support of the mass power of the people, and drawn a line between it as a free and independent country and imperialists.

So how is Cuba in service of its people? It raised literacy from 60-70% to 96% in two years- today 100% of Cubans are literate. It has a massive amount of doctors per capita and has lower rates of infant mortality, HIV, and malnutrition than the US. They have state subsidized SRS and HRT, some of the best current LGBT rights in the Caribbean, despite their historical struggles with homophobia. They are the most sustainable country in the world, despite the embargo. 

(The Embargo is absolutely devastating to the Cuban economy, too. Never let a discussion of Cuba’s economy go on without discussing the impact of the embargo)

Still, compare those achievements to Haiti. A country that has been and still is politically and economically crippled by US and French imperialism, which suffers under a neocolonial elite, which is paid starvation wages to make Levis and other commodities for the US, which receives little to no aid when natural disasters hit (which are exacerbated by the ecological devastation of the island).

What is really responsible for the suffering of the people, not just in Cuba, but in Haiti and all countries in the global south? Is it really the ideology of socialism that fights for greater rights and the accessibility to basic needs? Or is it capitalist-imperialism, which strangles Cuba with economic blockades, and parasitically leeches off of its neighbors?

As for the claim that Castro killed “his own people”… the phrasing of this (and of course this isn’t your fault, anti-communists always phrase stuff like this) makes it seem like its better if politicians kill others in imperialist war. Killing “your own people” is somehow far worse than killing the people of countries you want to invade or control. Castro and Che did kill people, yes Cubans. But again, we have to look at the class forces involved. Who were those fleeing? Who were being killed? Historical records show most were rich, white Cuban plantation owners or otherwise of the middle and upper classes, who backed the former military dictator Batista:

All weekend a Cuban exile contingent of right-wing ‘gusanos’ have been gathered on Calle Ocho street in Miami’s “Little Havana” to celebrate the death of Fidel Castro. However the hatred was always mutual; as Fidel characterized the first 1960’s waves of wealthy white parasitic former land owners who were part of the Batista dictatorship he overthrew as “gusanos” (worms), based on their reactionary politics, intransigent support for the blockade, and desire to team up with the CIA to carry out terrorist attacks all across post-revolutionary Cuba. (Note, not all exiles fall into this category, especially more recent arrivals).

The zenith of gusano interference was the 1961 U.S.-backed Bay of Pigs invasion, which Cuba’s government defeated, and afterwards Fidel pointed out the wealth of many of the 1,100 exile soldiers that his troops captured (and later released back to the U.S. in exchange for baby formula). Within those 1,100 soldiers were: 100 plantation owners, 67 landlords of apartment buildings, 35 factory owners, 112 businessmen, 179 living off inheritances, and 194 ex-soldiers of Batista.

Over the decades since that time, the aging gusano contingent in South Florida has proven to be perhaps the most corrupt group (on a per-capita basis) in American politics—which is saying something. In their dying off ranks you can find Batista’s old BRAC secret police goons, ex Cuban mafia, CIA contract killers, and former oligarchs of vast latifundias. As essentially Miami is still controlled by the remnants of Batista’s dictatorship and their off-spring, a regime which killed 20,000 Cubans and tortured tens of thousands more.

(from here)

Almost all (and i only say almost because i don’t know of any who were not) of those executed were members of Batista’s army, informants, rich landowners who backed Batista, etc. And, contrary to the idea that these were executions against the people, they were actually popularly sanctioned:

Serving in the post as commander of La Cabaña, Guevara reviewed the appeals of those convicted during the revolutionary tribunal process.[9] The tribunals were conducted by 2–3 army officers, an assessor, and a respected local citizen.[105] On some occasions the penalty delivered by the tribunal was death by firing squad.[106] Raúl Gómez Treto, senior legal advisor to the Cuban Ministry of Justice, has argued that the death penalty was justified in order to prevent citizens themselves from taking justice into their own hands, as happened twenty years earlier in the anti-Machado rebellion.[107] Biographers note that in January 1959, the Cuban public was in a “lynching mood”,[108] and point to a survey at the time showing 93% public approval for the tribunal process.[9]Moreover, a January 22, 1959, Universal Newsreel broadcast in the United States and narrated by Ed Herlihy, featured Fidel Castro asking an estimated one million Cubans whether they approved of the executions, and was met with a roaring “¡Si!” (yes).[109] With thousands of Cubans estimated to have been killed at the hands of Batista’s collaborators,[110][111] and many of the war criminals sentenced to death accused of torture and physical atrocities,[9] the newly empowered government carried out executions, punctuated by cries from the crowds of “¡paredón!” ([to the] wall!),[100]

thats from wikipedia, no less

Always remember- all states are the power of one class over another. Whether that class is the working class by itself (or in alliance with a progressive and anti-imperialist bourgeoisie as in Cuba), or whether it is a reactionary or imperialist bourgeoisie armed against the working class of the world (as in the US)- states are not just democracies or dictatorships- but institutions of class power. Its interesting how we call Cuba a dictatorship when the rich landowners flee or face persecution or god-forbid *gasp* their land is redistributed to campesinos! But the United States, which has the largest (mostly black and brown) prison population in the world (both by number and per capita), which is established on stolen land, and which regularly exercises its power to interfere in and mess with other countries independence, is seen as “free.”

Here are some more resources on Cuba:

[Documentary] Cuba: Defending Socialism, Resisting Imperialism // 20 Reasons to Support Cuba // Cuba: A Revolution in Motion // Cuba and its Neighbors: Democracy in Motion // Work and Democracy in Socialist Cuba // The Sugarmill: The Socio Economic Complex of Sugar in Cuba 1760-1860 // Cuba and the US Empire: A Chronological History // A Hidden History of the Cuban Revolution // Reminiscences of the Cuban Revolutionary War // The World Economic and Social Crisis // The Economic War Against Cuba // Race in Cuba //

The Recruit (Chapter 20) - Mitch Rapp

Author: @were-cheetah-stiles

Title: “Day 84″

Characters: Mitch Rapp, Stan Hurley, Peter Collins & Reader/OFC

Warnings: Mentions of sexual assault and PTSD and just a lot of yelling at cursing… my bad.

Author’s Note: y/f/i = your first initial, y/n/n/= your nickname

Summary: Dan Brunski, the man who sexually assaulted and attacked Y/n, returns to The Barn and throws everyone’s lives into chaos.

Chapter Nineteen - Chapter Twenty - Chapter Twenty-One

Originally posted by sangster90-tmr0516

“Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back.” Stan slowed his speech and clapped his hands in front of him. He glanced around the group, a mischievous smile on his face. He inhaled deeply and then spoke again. “Alright. First of all, many of you may have noticed, we have a familiar face joining us. I hope you’ll all welcome back Dan Brunksi to the group.” There was a smattering of applause throughout the group, causing Stan to briefly pause.

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anonymous asked:

I need all of ur FBI Stereo goodness! Just anything that you could spare, I need to forget that they're still technically on the show!

i mean, there are so many options, though!

  • stiles stilinski, new and enthusiastic fbi trainee gets his first case, possible mass murderer derek hale. but the more he looks into it, the more he learns about the mysterious (hottie) derek hale, the more he wonders if his bosses have got it wrong. if someone’s out for derek. not to mention the whole, under cover as a roadhouse bartender where he grows close to derek (who is in hiding just over the border) and realises, derek’s not on the run from the law, but from something much worse. and only stiles can help him!!!111!! and derek’s all guarded and angry (being framed for murder by your ex and her psycho family will do that to a guy) but he can’t help falling for stiles the more they talk, maybe have each others’ backs during a big nasty bar brawl (he’s surprised and more than little turned on the way stiles can handle himself, throws a good punch that boy), bond over patching up scrapes after and there’s a kiss with scraped lips but it’s the good kind of hurt. maybe the go for a drive along the beach, and the way stiles laughs like he’s free makes derek feel free but oh no FEELINGS. (bonus desperate frantic dirty sex in the alley behind the bar when stiles knew he was in too deep and couldn’t do anything else but kiss derek… also one time on the pool table. and like 3 motels. and then once in derek’s car). and then once he tells derek the truth there’s obviously the whole you betrayed me… i can help you… let’s save the day together and run off into the sunset/have good jobs and be happy together.
  • OR. agent derek hale is assigned rookie stiles stilinski (a god damn irritating arrogant little shit who thinks he knows how the bureau works after only 4 months, dammit) and the case is easy, stalk out the mafia or something, BUT THE SEXUAL TENSION IS RIFE. stiles won’t leave him alone, pesters him for tips, to train with him, to go the shooting range, constantly trying to prove himself, or to prove he’s better than derek and why won’t he just leave derek alone?! BUT THEN he gets himself kidnapped and stiles rescues him. or vice versa. ALL THE KIDNAPPING SCENARIOS WHERE THE OTHER GOES BATSHIT TO FIND THEM?
  • BUT ALSO, stiles rocks up for his first day and OH NO, (oh yes, my friend) it’s the new hot teacher, agent hale, stiles has been reading about him, following his cases, and he’s so in awe and NOW HE KNOWS THE DUDE IS HOT, TOO? he’s doomed. and the way derek smirks when he sets up an impossible obstacle course like he thinks stiles won’t handle it, so he has to beat the rest of his class just to prove he can. answers every question derek asks, chews on pencils on purpose, looks at derek from under his lashes, definitely uses his hands to talk. and derek flat out shoots him down, never gives him anything in class, never seems like he’s even noticed stiles (although, obv, we know he has) and there is some sort of altercation where stiles gets mad like “even if you don’t like me, you still have to teach me, asshole!” and derek’s all “that’s the problem, i do like you… asshole.” and then they make out. a lot. ~forbidden romance style.
  • ALTHOUGH there is stiles and derek as fbi trainees TOGETHER. rivals!!!111!! always trying to one up one another. sparring harder than anyone else (pretending boners are normal after a crazed boxing session), running faster and farther than everyone else, HAVING TO SHARE A ROOM (for reasons) and derek’s forever doing pull ups over the door and stiles is always sucking on pens or bottle tops and they’re the best in their class because oh man, the sexual tension is so pent up it’s being poured into their work because dammit, they don’t want anyone else but they can’t admit they want each other. until they do. 
  • or shy, wants to do well derek hale who is actually a badass and terrifying with a gun and stiles is madly in love by day 3 but has to prove he is worthy because god damn, derek is so sweet AND YET SO HARDCORE BADASS? and they nerd out together in the library and on practice missions and stiles just wants to hold derek’s hand and watch him adjust his glasses once he’s put on his fbi vest FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE.
  • also, both of them as teachers. both of them in the weird quantico plot in season one when anyone could be the bad guy and stiles & derek soooo don’t want it to be each other, but the whole group has to work out all the other members’ secrets and THEY BOTH HAVE DARK SECRETS. but then it turns out to be nothing bad and yay they can bone! both of them as cia members trying to infiltrate the fbi (for unknown, amy doesn’t really understand all the different units, kind of way) and it’s a battle of the wits whilst in the fbi training program together, like constantly trying to catch the other out until they’re kissing in a hotel room and neither of them remember to steal the others’ wallet (although why would that even work? why does that work in movies? WHO CARRIES AROUND THEIR CIA OR FBI CARD IN THEIR WALLET WHEN THEY’RE UNDERCOVER?) but yeah the fbi kick them both out. OR BOTH OF THEM FRAMED? AND HAVING TO WORK TOGETHER AS EX FBI ON THE RUN? or is that leading into like mr & mrs smith territory? idk but gimme all the concepts where there is RIFE sexual tension in an intense work environment where you can’t trust anyone BUT THE ONE YOU SECRETLY LOVE. 

anonymous asked:

I want to know your theory on JFK's assassination! I wrote a 20 p research paper on the CIA in the 20th Century and I have a hunch they did take part in the assassination along with others ofc

OKAY. So the Soviets and Cubans were working together on a nuclear weapons programme and the soviets were installing nuclear weapons in Cuba and these were pointed at the US. Many of the higher ups in US government were looking for a reason to invade Cuba and overthrow or kill Fidel Castro. Kennedy however, was more diplomatic than this. He employed a naval blockade around Cuba until they withdrew these weapons. Whilst this is regarded now as a positive thing and people will generally agree that Kennedy’s approach did avoid World War 3, at the time, there was talk by the CIA and FBI that this was a sign of weakness. And it was after the failed Bay of Pigs invasion which Kennedy also didn’t support, and also had people calling him weak for. The CIA also had many operations attempting to assassinate Castro, the most famous of which is Operation Mongoose, which obviously failed, and again, Kennedy didn’t support.

So Kennedy is getting in the way of the CIA carrying out the things they want to do in Cuba. And Cuba is working alongside the Soviets who are the biggest enemy of the US in 1962. On the radar of both the US and the Soviets is this guy Oswald. Now he has been quite vocal about his dislike of Kennedy and of America, and his desire to become a citizen of the Soviet Union. He sought multiple times to be given a visa into Russia and at one point after being declined, he attempted suicide in a Russian hotel. He was then moved to a bigger hotel and kept there where it’s believed the KGB surveilled him. Then, in September of ‘63, Oswald is in Mexico City where he meets with the KGB in a location that is almost entirely surrounded by CIA safehouses and surveillance locations, meaning the CIA would have been able to see or hear what was happening at that meeting. 8 weeks later JFK is killed.

He’s supposedly shot from behind, but it appears more like the bullet entered from the front of his skull, which would mean that where Oswald was positioned wouldn’t line up. My theory is this. The CIA work alongside the KGB in setting up the assassination. They need a fall guy, and Oswald has made it very clear that his alliance is with the Soviets and he hates Kennedy. He would be happy to go down in history as the man that killed JFK. However when it’s done, they know they can’t leave Oswald alive, it’s too much of a risk having a loose end like that. Especially one that’s as much of a loose canon as Oswald was who was reportedly “prone to psychological meltdowns” according to an ex-KGB agent who met with him in Mexico City. So they get Jack Ruby to shoot him 2 days later. Jack Ruby who conveniently dies before he can go to court to appeal his sentence of the death penalty.

On top of this, the CIA were told not to answer any questions about Oswald “on the record”, which, why would that be a necessary precaution if there was nothing incriminating to say? And also there’s a woman called Silvia Duran who was arrested as a Key Witness to the assassination the next day, the 23rd of November, and the CIA never spoke to her. They never got a testimony from her. In the 2 million documents that are currently declassified on this case, not one of them includes a testimony from her. And she’s still alive and living in Mexico but refuses to talk. In fact when ex CIA agent Bob Baer tried talking to her, she first refused to open the door saying “she didn’t have time to talk” and later, after agreeing to meet with him, did a runner before he arrived.

Listen. The CIA were involved. In the orchestration and the cover up.

Early last August, an envelope with extraordinary handling restrictions arrived at the White House. Sent by courier from the CIA, it carried “eyes only” instructions that its contents be shown to just four people: President Barack Obama and three senior aides.

Inside was an intelligence bombshell, a report drawn from sourcing deep inside the Russian government that detailed Russian President Vladi­mir Putin’s direct involvement in a cyber campaign to disrupt and discredit the U.S. presidential race.

But it went further. The intelligence captured Putin’s specific instructions on the operation’s audacious objectives — defeat or at least damage the Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, and help elect her opponent, Donald Trump.

At that point, the outlines of the Russian assault on the U.S. election were increasingly apparent. Hackers with ties to Russian intelligence services had been rummaging through Democratic Party computer networks, as well as some Republican systems, for more than a year. In July, the FBI had opened an investigation of contacts between Russian officials and Trump associates. And on July 22, nearly 20,000 emails stolen from the Democratic National Committee were dumped online by WikiLeaks.

But at the highest levels of government, among those responsible for managing the crisis, the first moment of true foreboding about Russia’s intentions arrived with that CIA intelligence.

The material was so sensitive that CIA Director John Brennan kept it out of the President’s Daily Brief, concerned that even that restricted report’s distribution was too broad. The CIA package came with instructions that it be returned immediately after it was read. To guard against leaks, subsequent meetings in the Situation Room followed the same protocols as planning sessions for the Osama bin Laden raid.

It took time for other parts of the intelligence community to endorse the CIA’s view. Only in the administration’s final weeks in office did it tell the public, in a declassified report, what officials had learned from Brennan in August — that Putin was working to elect Trump.

[Putin ‘ordered’ effort to undermine faith in U.S. election and help Trump, report says]

Over that five-month interval, the Obama administration secretly debated dozens of options for deterring or punishing Russia, including cyberattacks on Russian infrastructure, the release of CIA-gathered material that might embarrass Putin and sanctions that officials said could “crater” the Russian economy.

But in the end, in late December, Obama approved a modest package combining measures that had been drawn up to punish Russia for other issues — expulsions of 35 diplomats and the closure of two Russian compounds — with economic sanctions so narrowly targeted that even those who helped design them describe their impact as largely symbolic.

Obama also approved a previously undisclosed covert measure that authorized planting cyber weapons in Russia’s infrastructure, the digital equivalent of bombs that could be detonated if the United States found itself in an escalating exchange with Moscow. The project, which Obama approved in a covert-action finding, was still in its planning stages when Obama left office. It would be up to President Trump to decide whether to use the capability.

In political terms, Russia’s interference was the crime of the century, an unprecedented and largely successful destabilizing attack on American democracy. It was a case that took almost no time to solve, traced to the Kremlin through cyber-forensics and intelligence on Putin’s involvement. And yet, because of the divergent ways Obama and Trump have handled the matter, Moscow appears unlikely to face proportionate consequences.

Those closest to Obama defend the administration’s response to Russia’s meddling. They note that by August it was too late to prevent the transfer to WikiLeaks and other groups of the troves of emails that would spill out in the ensuing months. They believe that a series of warnings — including one that Obama delivered to Putin in September — prompted Moscow to abandon any plans of further aggression, such as sabotage of U.S. voting systems.

Denis McDonough, who served as Obama’s chief of staff, said that the administration regarded Russia’s interference as an attack on the “heart of our system.”

“We set out from a first-order principle that required us to defend the integrity of the vote,” McDonough said in an interview. “Importantly, we did that. It’s also important to establish what happened and what they attempted to do so as to ensure that we take the steps necessary to stop it from happening again.”

But other administration officials look back on the Russia period with remorse.

“It is the hardest thing about my entire time in government to defend,” said a former senior Obama administration official involved in White House deliberations on Russia. “I feel like we sort of choked.”

The post-election period has been dominated by the overlapping investigations into whether Trump associates colluded with Russia before the election and whether the president sought to obstruct the FBI probe afterward. That spectacle has obscured the magnitude of Moscow’s attempt to hijack a precious and now vulnerable-seeming American democratic process.

Beset by allegations of hidden ties between his campaign and Russia, Trump has shown no inclination to revisit the matter and has denied any collusion or obstruction on his part. As a result, the expulsions and modest sanctions announced by Obama on Dec. 29 continue to stand as the United States’ most forceful response.

“The punishment did not fit the crime,” said Michael McFaul, who served as U.S. ambassador to Russia for the Obama administration from 2012 to 2014. “Russia violated our sovereignty, meddling in one of our most sacred acts as a democracy — electing our president. The Kremlin should have paid a much higher price for that attack. And U.S. policymakers now — both in the White House and Congress — should consider new actions to deter future Russian interventions.”

The Senate this month passed a bill that would impose additional election- and Ukraine-related sanctions on Moscow and limit Trump’s ability to lift them. The measure requires House approval, however, and Trump’s signature.

This account of the Obama administration’s response to Russia’s interference is based on interviews with more than three dozen current and former U.S. officials in senior positions in government, including at the White House, the State, Defense and Homeland Security departments, and U.S. intelligence services. Most agreed to speak only on the condition of anonymity, citing the sensitivity of the issue.

The White House, the CIA, the FBI, the National Security Agency and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence declined to comment.


The secrecy extended into the White House.
Susan Rice, Avril Haines and White House homeland-security adviser Lisa Monaco convened meetings in the Situation Room to weigh the mounting evidence of Russian interference and generate options for how to respond. At first, only four senior security officials were allowed to attend: Brennan, Clapper, Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch and FBI Director James B. Comey. Aides ordinarily allowed entry as “plus-ones” were barred.

Gradually, the circle widened to include Vice President Biden and others. Agendas sent to Cabinet secretaries — including John F. Kerry at the State Department and Ashton B. Carter at the Pentagon — arrived in envelopes that subordinates were not supposed to open. Sometimes the agendas were withheld until participants had taken their seats in the Situation Room.

Throughout his presidency, Obama’s approach to national security challenges was deliberate and cautious. He came into office seeking to end wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He was loath to act without support from allies overseas and firm political footing at home. He was drawn only reluctantly into foreign crises, such as the civil war in Syria, that presented no clear exit for the United States.

Obama’s approach often seemed reducible to a single imperative: Don’t make things worse. As brazen as the Russian attacks on the election seemed, Obama and his top advisers feared that things could get far worse.

They were concerned that any pre-election response could provoke an escalation from Putin. Moscow’s meddling to that point was seen as deeply concerning but unlikely to materially affect the outcome of the election. Far more worrisome to the Obama team was the prospect of a cyber-assault on voting systems before and on Election Day.

They also worried that any action they took would be perceived as political interference in an already volatile campaign. By August, Trump was predicting that the election would be rigged. Obama officials feared providing fuel to such claims, playing into Russia’s efforts to discredit the outcome and potentially contaminating the expected Clinton triumph.

Before departing for an August vacation to Martha’s Vineyard, Obama instructed aides to pursue ways to deter Moscow and proceed along three main paths: Get a high-confidence assessment from U.S. intelligence agencies on Russia’s role and intent; shore up any vulnerabilities in state-run election systems; and seek bipartisan support from congressional leaders for a statement condemning Moscow and urging states to accept federal help.


Greg Miller, Ellen Nakashima, and Adam Entous at The Washington Post on former President Obama’s attempts to punish Russia for its role in meddling in the 2016 elections (06.23.2017)

In an envelope from the CIA shown to just former President Obama and 3 other aides of his in August 2016, the letter revealed that Putin had a gameplan: defeat (or least severely weaken) Hillary and elect Trump as the 45th President.

See Also: Washington Post: The Post’s new findings in Russia’s bold campaign to influence the U.S. election


Blindspot ABC Challenge (Version 2): Day 20 - T for Tom Carter

Thomas Carter, Deputy Director of the CIA, with special responsibility for the Orion program.

“Orion seems to have been a secret off-book Spec Ops wing of the Naval Special Warfare Development Group” (Edgar Reade)


“The CIA formed Orion to carry out off-the-book ops.” (Roman)

“Orion was for illegal, unsanctioned operations. Assassinations. Regime change. Missions too grisly to go through legitimate channels.” (Shepherd)

“When Douglas Winter blew the whistle on the illegal NSA program that was feeding them intel, the CIA shut Orion down. Tried to erase any trace.” (Roman)

“You were the only one that survived. They thought they killed you too. We chose not to correct them.” (Shepherd)


“Based on his career M.O. and whereabouts during Orion’s existence, it’s very likely that he [Carter] ran it. Which would explain his interest in you.” (Nas Kamal)

“And that’s why he wanted me dead.” (Jane Doe) 

Homeland ended after season 4. Quinn didn’t really go to Syria. He thought carefully about what was best for himself for once, and finally decided to leave far away from Carrie, Dar Adal and the CIA mess. He’s currently living a peaceful life in a cabin in Iceland with Astrid and their german shepherd Leo.

Goodbye, Homeland.

Dear Mr. Gansa. 

First, let me start by saying that I was a huge fan of Homeland. Honestly, the first two seasons were incredible television. Season 3 had some amazing episodes, and Season 4 was a fantastic stand-alone season. My issues, and please bear with me, start after the major reboot that followed. 

I truly wish Homeland would have continued from the end of Season 4 instead of having a two-year time-jump that launched Season 5. It became a very different show after that. Two-years pass and none of the characters work together anymore, and their roles on the show changed dramatically. In hindsight, to me, this fast forward is what caused the show to jump the tracks.

Carrie lost her identity. So many things changed for her, and we lost the heart of this wonderful character. Carrie is no longer with the CIA and has shifted from a proactive character into a reactionary one. She quit going after the bad guys and started responding to what happens around her. I’m not a fan of this version of Carrie because I don’t know who she is supposed to be. She’s surely not the same character of previous seasons, and Carrie’s not grown or matured for the better, so who is she? I want to watch a show about a kick-ass CIA agent who struggles with bipolar disorder but puts all the pieces of some nefarious plot together and gets one step ahead of the bad guys. That version of Carrie seems to have disappeared. It’s a shame because I liked her.

The new Carrie seems lost and is all over the place. Head of private security? Political Advisor? Consultant? Do the writers know what to do with her? It’s frustrating. I’d like to add that Carrie as a mom seems awkward more so than not because of the midseason hand off of Franny the past few years. Do the writers know what to do with Franny? The handoff is becoming a bit tedious from a viewer standpoint. Why can’t Carrie be a mother and a professional? The writers are making a strong female lead much weaker by portraying her as someone who can’t handle parenthood and a career. 

What about Saul? What does he do? I have no clue. Both Saul and Dar are still in the CIA, but we don’t know in what capacity. Does the CIA matter anymore? Saul still has a lot of connections, and he’s in the mix, but his current position is irrelevant? Who Saul is right now is almost as confusing as the decision to transform Dar into a diabolical black hat who sexually abuses teen boys. That was a bit over the top for me. 

Carrie, Saul, and Dar’s ties to the CIA reflect the problem with Homeland right now because their positions, or lack thereof, in the agency no longer matter. The show shifted from a spy thriller to political thriller, so the writers downplay the CIA. A show about the CIA is no longer about the CIA. Think about that for a moment. Can I ask why the show changed course so drastically?

In addition, can I just say poor Quinn? He was a kick ass agent who struggled with PTSD and was turned into a snuff film victim. I have no other explanation for the relentless torturing of this character during the past two seasons. It was disturbing. Quinn was the only character that I had left to root for, and Homeland tossed him out with the CIA plotline. It’s a damn shame. 

If you combine all of these elements, you have the reason why I decided to stop watching Homeland. It’s no longer the same show, and I have no interest in watching another political thriller. 

On an end note, I do want to say thank you for the first four seasons. It was fantastic television. Good luck with the final two, and I hope this new show is what you want it to be. Honestly, it’s a shame there is such a disconnect between the writers and the fans who love what the show used to be. The original Homeland will be missed


Melissa (a former fan)

anonymous asked:

So sorry if this is a repeat question, but is there any fan fic of Carrie sleeping with Q2.0? Oh fuck me, if only the writing team had given us this beautiful scene "in real life".

It’s your lucky day! I read your ask quickly and thought you wanted season 2 sex fic recommendations which is a great question because so many of them are buried. But you wanted Quinn 2.0 which is kind of the opposite. 

So, two for the price of one…

1) Great season 2 sex fics with Carrie/Quinn:

Are you kidding? Some of the sexiest fics in the fandom are set in seasons 2-3 before abject doom started following Carrie & Quinn around like a lost puppy named Gansa. These are all quick reads.

  • The time period in Spiked by Isadora is undefined but it feels like season 2 to me. Also, her Assignment is set in season 3 but it’s one of my favorite fics ever so I’m throwing it in here. It’s a one shot, a great story, and really, really hot.
  • Another Ending Which Is Actually a Beginning by our own Frangi is probably the best example of fun smut. Set in 2.04 - ops room sex. Hot and a little crazy. A one shot.
  • Chapter 2 of my Making it Right is technically season 3 but their argument is all about the season 2 mess with Brody, and there’s sex. On a desk.
  • My tongue upon your scars by aridness_string is very hot but dark.
  • Half Lies by Finlyfoe features Carrie and Quinn meeting long before season 2 and having an, ahem, encounter. Cue season 2. This fic has one of my favorite smut scenes ever because it’s fun and hot and crazy. 
  • One Night Stand by koalathebear is set in season 1 and, like Half Lies, imagines a hook up prior to season 2. It’s charming.
  • Finally, how in God’s name could there be a Greenpen (Sara) fic I’d never read? And it’s not even depressing! Five Minutes. Hot damn, Sara….
  • Finally II, there’s no sex but some quality sexting in Mathison I’m Bored by our own Laure. It puts Quinn and Carrie in a season 2 CIA meeting. It’s guaranteed to make you smile. It’s a recent fic and refers to season 6 canon humorously because Quinn & Carrie decide they’re having absolutely none of it. It’s vintage Laure.

2) As for your real question: Quinn 2.0 - also a great ask!

  • On the Road by Inch by Inch, a new writer, is a recent fic and fairly canon consistent (sans death). I love it. It’s unique with really believable dialogue. Two chapters. (The sex is not what you might expect, however.)
  • Les Nocturnes by loveandlost06, another new writer, features an absolutely beautiful sex scene that’s very consistent with Quinn 2.0. Make it your head canon for the season 6 sex we never got! It’s well written and believable and lovely. Two chapters.
  • A Hanukkah Miracle by our own Sydney (SNQA) is perfect comedy if you need a laugh! Promise, promise, promise. Smut (lots) in the kitchen while Saul explains Hanukkah to Franny in the next room. It’s a one shot. While it’s hard to remember when Quinn & Carrie were funny, this fic will remind you.
  • A Homeland Christmas was written by me… and I’m proud of it, actually (rare for me). There is sex though it’s rather brief. But if you need a new vision for season 6 featuring lots of domesticity… it’s my head canon. Clearly. A one shot.
  • Second Chances by our own Frangi is one of her famed sweeping, heartfelt, epic fics. Sex doesn’t come along until around chapter 12 if I recall. I actually like Weekend Visit even more. Another epic Frangi fic. The premise of the “beep, beep, beep” heart monitor preventing Carrie and Quinn from consummating is totally hilarious and when they finally do it… it’s worth the wait. 
  • The Other Half by Greenpen (Sara) is… God, I dunno what to say. Sara is an incredible writer. I don’t think any fic writer captures the complexity of Carrie & Quinn as well as she does. Four chapters and worth every word. This is not for the faint of heart but it’s believable and sad and hopeful all at once. And he’s alive at the end. So.

No sex but lovely…

  • The One with the Inconvenient Love by our own Laure is another funny fic set around season 6. They’re acting Very Married and there’s no sex but and it’s funny and charming as they try to get out of the friend zone. Also, Coffee by Laure is nuanced, romantic, interesting. It makes you think.
  • By the Sea by Kitty does not have sex but it’s the preamble. It’s as complicated as Carrie and Quinn and is placed in a season 6 AU.

janice channing in 1.06 “sinking”

anonymous asked:

I don't mean to criticize any fans, I really understand how the death of a character can influence the show for certain people. But Homeland to me isn't a show that romanticizes relationships (on the contrary), so I never had any expectations for any romances surrounding Carrie tbh. As much as people are angry and frustrated, Homeland is about Carrie, the CIA, and her relationship with Saul, consequently. I for one am looking forward to seasons 7 and 8 to see the ending! Just my two cents.

There is a LARGE gulf between “romanticizing relationships”–which as you say the show has never done and I don’t think anyone could feasibly argue they did–and expecting that a relationship that had been built up for nearly five seasons as a grand romance would basically be cut short at the intermission and then for the writers to say N O T H I N G about that double-fake for four months.

I really don’t think you can overstate how big that gulf is. 

I can’t speak for everyone but I’m not angry and frustrated that Carrie and Quinn didn’t get a happy ending. I never expected them to. I’m angry and frustrated that the writers didn’t write the conclusion to the story they were clearly setting up for several years. And that they’re now selling this as the natural conclusion to said story when it’s painfully clear it’s been left incomplete. I’m angry and frustrated that by killing Quinn the writers have once again stagnated Carrie’s character, showing not even an iota of original thought (I’ve seen this before!). 

All of the above is insulting to my intelligence. 

Imagine if you got two-thirds of the way through a book–and you know there are more chapters left–and then the author just tears the rest of the pages out and says “just kidding! that’s the end! you just finished it! there never were any other pages! CYA!” (although in our case the author tears out the rest of the pages and then walks away silently)

How would you feel? This is what they’ve done. And they don’t even seem to realize it. 

anonymous asked:

Group ask: If you had the power to change Rupert's photo on IMDb, what photo would you choose?

Laura - This is my FAV pic of Rupert from his Daman cover story. There’s nothing like Rupert in a crisp, white shirt paired with a smart, navy suit! He’s dressed so sharply, and I love his intense stare. 

Cynthia: Plenty of IMDb pics are of the person, not a character they’ve played and there’s a reason this one is on our homepage. It’s my all time favorite Rupes pic.

Sydney:  There are so many great pics to choose from, but I’d have to go with another Quinn picture. 

Frangi: I always liked it, even before I knew it is his character Stephen from Meet me in Montenegro. I always pictured this would be a Quinn out of the CIA, a few years later, waiting for Carrie at the airport and picking her up. Now as I watched the film I know it’s a rather melancholic scene but I still like it, even with the vulnerability and melancholy.

Why I think Carrie and Quinn will end up together...

This post has been demanded of me from several different parties so I hope what I write does justice to their own thoughts and feelings on this pairing.

It’s always difficult answering a question like this, simply because it’s so huge in scope and there are, as I see it, several contending factors as to why I think that Carrie Mathison and Peter Quinn will end up together. Please bear with me folks, as you know I don’t do short posts. Go make yourself a coffee, find a nice comfy seat and settle down. The factors that I list below range in their importance but are all things that come to mind with regards to their relationship. Together, they all combine to suggest heavily to me, not just as a fan of the show, but as someone who teaches this shit for a living ;) that these two will end up together.

Contending factor number one: Quinn is literally the only person that Carrie can trust.

Journey back with me here. Way back. Like to when we first laid eyes on our beautiful Peter Quinn. Watch Carrie.

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Carrie isn’t sure what she makes of Quinn at first. Maybe I’m being biased, but we can tell that she likes him but somehow doesn’t want to like him. She’s worried about losing control of the investigation perhaps, because someone she doesn’t know is being introduced into a case that is, quite literally, very close to her heart. She asks Virgil to look into him straightaway.

Then, we have this scene.

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In this scene, Quinn states that he is very likeable. Carrie replies with a coy smile that this is a ‘matter of opinion.’ Here, she is being sarcastic with him, obviously, to try and regain control of the situation but, for me, she can’t help it. She agrees with him. He is very likeable. When they are investigating Brody, she trusts him, implicitly. Straightaway. Despite the fact that she did ask Virgil to look into him, she doesn’t really end up finding out much about what Virgil and Max find out. She sees for herself. (More on this later)

And reliable. He is extremely reliable. This is a strange thing for someone to say after only knowing them a few hours, and Carrie is no doubt sceptical but the relationship that develops between Carrie and Quinn is one of complete implicit trust.

The thing that supports this for me most is the fact that Quinn is hired to kill Brody. We know this. But Quinn, on numerous occasions, has the opportunity to take out Brody but doesn’t, because Carrie is with him. Technically, he disobeys a direct order. This is further underlined in one of the last scenes of Season Two, when he appears in David Estes’ bedroom, stating that he won’t do it because it will wreck a woman they’ve already wrecked.

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Quinn, Mr. Reliable for David Estes and for Dar Adal. The person who always comes through and does what he is told, refuses to carry out a direct order. And that’s not because he likes Brody. Lord knows he hated the man. But because he doesn’t want to hurt Carrie.

This is a completely selfless act. Hell knows, he could have been fired for it, or worse. But he doesn’t care.

Similarly in Season Three, Quinn is not in on the play with Carrie in the mental hospital. He is the only person that goes to see her out of pure caring.

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Yes, I know Saul went to see her. But I suspect that this was just to check that they were still on track. Quinn is shocked, devastated even, to see the state that she is in. And even though she is horrible to him, he still offers to provide a character reference for her. And he is the only person to show up at her hearing. We also see the pain he is going through here, seeing her in such a state.

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Quinn is steadily emerging as the only person that Carrie can truly rely on. Saul has always been highlighted as this person, but for me, this relationship begins to unravel in Season Three. The play worked, yes, but Carrie is upset with Saul for leaving her in the hospital. Whereas Quinn, even though he doesn’t know the play, states outright that…

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He is genuinely concerned about her welfare. I would wager that even had he known the play, he would have been the one to go to Saul and say, 'Enough of this shit, Saul. Get her out of there.’

Similarly, when Quinn finds out that Carrie is pregnant, he doesn’t tell a soul. But is immediately upfront and honest with Carrie that he knows. Carrie, though she is pissed at him at the time, will have respected this. We know that Carrie hates secrets and admires honesty. For me, it’s one of her only redeeming qualities! And Quinn brings it out of her (More on this later, too)

In Season Four, this trust has grown to the point where Carrie demands Quinn’s presence wherever she is, despite what he is going through. Yes, Carrie is very selfish here and only thinks of herself, but she does it because Quinn is literally, the only person she can trust.

She insinuates this in Season Three when she states that it meant a lot that Quinn went to see her in the hospital. While she does trust Saul, she knows that he would do anything to save the mission, and to protect the play. Pretty much anyone in the CIA would have done that. Hell, Carrie would have even done that. But Quinn, no. He looks out for Carrie’s welfare.

Yes, it’s selfish of her to demand his presence in Islamabad in Season Four. But she does it because she trusts him, wholeheartedly. And Quinn, despite what he’s going through, cannot say 'no’ to Carrie.

This trust isn’t really put to the test in Season Five because it’s there already. But my point is that Quinn is the only person that looks out for Carrie. He’s the only person that cares about her above the mission itself. This is proven, even after two years in deepest, darkest Syria. Even after we see a coldness, a distance and a darkness in Quinn in the first three episodes of Season Five that we haven’t seen before (as SenseMisapplied knows full well, I’ve never bought into the Quinn is dark scenario). But when Carrie’s name is put in the box, we know that he’s not going to go through with it.

He puts her safety above the mission. Always. To a desperate degree in Season Five when Quinn literally lays down his life to protect Carrie’s safety. And more importantly, asks for absolutely nothing in return. Carrie is right to trust him. He would literally die for her.

Contending Factor Number Two: Quinn and Carrie actually like each other and bring out the best in each other.

Carrie doesn’t truly like many people on Homeland. I never bought into the whole romance with Brody for exactly this reason. Her 'love’ for Brody was fuelled by obsession and danger, rather than a genuine like. She hated what he had done, how he had manipulated her, and yet she couldn’t help but be drawn to the danger that he offered her. I always feel this is interesting because the anger and hatred seethes from her when she arrests him in the hotel.

I’ve never seen her look at Quinn like this. Why? Because she actually likes him. Because she trusts him. Because he’s seen her as Brody never has and still wants to be around her. Because he empathises with what she’s going through.

Not only this, but I think they bring out the best in each other. Hear me out.

Carrie is selfish. And her actions regarding Quinn, too, are often selfish. Especially at the beginning of Season Four, when she simply demands his presence, kind of ignoring the fact that he’s going through something really quite damaging.

However, at the end of Season Four, as we know, she stays behind, at great personal risk to herself, to get Quinn back. She puts herself in a hell of a lot of danger in that crowd. But she does it for Quinn.

We don’t see 'this’ Carrie around anyone else. We just don’t. With Saul, she’s all about the mission. Hell, she was even misguidedly ready to sacrifice Saul for the greater good. Quinn, by the end of Season Four. No. She’s not ready to sacrifice him. Say it with me people, 'I can’t lose you, Quinn!’ (This is, once again, one of the reasons why I think the writing for Carrie was so off kilter in Season Five) She wouldn’t have left Quinn for nine days. She just wouldn’t. Sorry, don’t buy it.

We see her liking the way in which he fits into her home life in 4x12. She smiles a genuinely happy smile when she sees him with Frannie. When he stays behind to help her sister with the dishes after her Father’s wake. This also fits in with the trust thing I mentioned earlier. She can always trust him to be there because she is everything to him. She has never had that dedication from anyone. Especially not Brody, as he was a terrorist, so there would always be trust issues. And could she trust him as implicitly as she does Quinn, around her family? I’m not so sure. (Yes, I know Brody would never have hurt Frannie, BUT Brody was just as manipulative as Carrie which is as damaging as it is dangerous)

And once again, in Season Five. Quinn’s capture and subsequent time in hospital show that these two characters bring out the best in each other, because that like is turning slowly to love.

I’ve said before about how 5x10 and 5x11 and maybe I can get on board with 5x12 (maybe!) prove that Carrie is realising that she loves Quinn. We don’t see Carrie like this with anyone else. She is visibly upset with the risks they are having to take with Quinn’s health. (I’m going to talk more about this later)

In 5x12, as I mentioned in my recent analysis, I think we see a very beautiful and pure side of Carrie and this is because of Quinn. Gone are the selfish days when she would wish for something for herself. I always think it’s interesting to compare Carrie’s prayer scene here with her conversation with Quinn in the church after Sandy’s funeral.

She’s quiet, she’s contemplative. She is bearing her soul, and putting her heart on the line, and trying to have faith. And this is all for Quinn. This is, for me, showing how Carrie has changed as a person since Season Four. Her prayers for Quinn’s life are pretty much the only selfless thing she does in Season Five.

Quinn brings out the best in Carrie. And, I would also put my arse on the line and say that Carrie brings out the best in Quinn. This plays a little into something we were discussing on Twitter yesterday. I’ve never bought how Quinn belongs to the darkness. Despite what he wrote in his letter. For me, Quinn has always been someone who was born into the darkness but was always reaching for the light.

And that light, as it’s underlined very clearly in the letter, was very largely centered on his feelings for Carrie. Quinn’s feelings for Carrie are, and have been for a long time now, a massive part of who Quinn is as a character. That trust I’ve discussed, the fact that he always looks out for her wellbeing above any one else’s. That completely selfless and all consuming love. That, 'I would die for you’ kind of love. And that is a beautiful and HUGE part of the show now. And it is one of the best things about Quinn’s character.

This fits quite nicely into my last and most important point.

Contending Factor Number Three: The Quinn and Carrie relationship is the heart of the show, and has been for a long time. We just haven’t realised it until now.

The relationship between Quinn and Carrie is the only one we’ve actually seen develop on screen. Say what? Bear with me.

The C/S relationship was just there as was Carrie’s relationship with Max and Virgil and Estes. We accepted that there was a longstanding relationship there. We accepted the work relationships and so on etc etc. The C/B relationship didn’t even develop. Carrie jumped in head first without really thinking about what she was doing. They got drunk, they had sex, they went to the cabin. They played each other, they manipulated each other. There wasn’t trust.

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Definitely wasn’t trust.

But Quinn and Carrie are very different. From their first meeting in 2x04, they just get each other. They fit each other’s rhythms. They come up with the same plans. They complement each other perfectly.

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They encourage each other. They trust each other. They just get each other straightaway. Carrie, who finds it very hard to trust people without first gaining the upper hand, trusts Quinn from the outset in 2x11. She discards the idea that he may have had something to do with Abu Nazir getting away. This again, for me, is incredibly significant. She hasn’t known Quinn for that long. But they 'get’ each other. They connect. They just work.

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Thank you, Farah for your insight.

Quinn is always there for Carrie. He sees her during a lot of hairy moments both in Season Three and Season Four. He’s not afraid to call her on her bullshit. He’s not afraid to tell her when she’s crossed the line. And Carrie doesn’t have anyone else like that BECAUSE everyone else puts the mission first. But Quinn brings a morality to Carrie. Lord knows she needs it. Especially in Season Four.

But when their relationship is directly addressed in Season Four, some audiences were all hesitant, thinking, 'is this pairing really right?’ They’re both too damaged. They’d end up killing each other! I kind of agree. Mainly because they’re not ready to be together yet. The connection is there but both characters need to go on journeys before they’re ready to be together. This SCREAMS OTP.

And even though it is a 'long time coming’ we finally see Carrie realising what Quinn means to her at the end of Season Four and at the end of Season Five.

I would also like to draw attention to the following moments.

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(Whoever Carrie is, she’s a lucky girl)


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Oh and the fact that Astrid refers to Carrie as Quinn’s girlfriend. These are not just casually placed in. They are written as directions in the script. The writers have told the actors to interpret these scenes in certain ways to ensure that they are interpreted a certain way by the audience of the show.

These long looks by Quinn in Season Two and Season Three are put in there so that the audience starts to think, 'Hey, I think Quinn might be starting to feel a certain way about Carrie.’ These looks are so heavy and full of meaning from Quinn’s side. When Carrie asks for Quinn’s help, time and time again, and he just gives it, no questions asked. And we know the underlying reason behind these looks. The writers were writing, ever so carefully, that Quinn was falling in love with Carrie. This trust, this friendship, this honesty, it was developing into something way more important than the missions that they were carrying out.

And in case we didn’t realise what we’ve been seeing because they’d been slapping Brody and Carrie’s relationship in our face for three seasons, Dar comes out and tells us what us diehard C/Q fans had known for a long time.

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Quinn has feelings for Carrie. It’s out there, in the open, for us all to see. He knows that this makes him weak. We know that this makes him weak because we have seen that Quinn will put Carrie above the mission. And this is OTP writing. Particularly for a show like Homeland. Carrie and Quinn, are, as we stand here at 5x12, each other’s weak spots. In a show where they have to make life changing decisions that save or sacrifice hundreds, hell, even thousands of lives, at each turn, characters that are each other’s weakspots SCREAMS OTP.

It happened with Jack and Kate on Lost. It happened over and over again with Buffy and Angel. Hell, it happened with Tony and Michelle on 24! (I know Tony went bad in Season Seven, but you get my drift.) These characters put their love for another character above the greater good.

And if we think about the scene (one of my favourite C/Q scenes) when Quinn tells Carrie that she’s fucking a child. And she says, 'What’s it to you anyway?’ Don’t we all just wince and think, 'Ouch, elephant in the room!’

Even more evident when Carrie notices Quinn looking at her in a certain way

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'Why are you looking at me like that?’

We all slap our heads and think, 'Carrie, you’re so stupid!’

I’ve talked in depth about 'I can’t lose you, Quinn!’ For my part, I don’t see this as romantic, at all. I just think she’s realised that hell, she doesn’t want to do this without him. She needs him. She’s not sure why, yet. But she knows that she needs him. And for someone like Season Four Carrie, who doesn’t want that weakness, who is willing to sacrifice SAUL for the mission…. Yeah, this is kind of a big deal.

4x12 is wow. I’ve mentioned before, and I will mention again how we see a major shift in the way Carrie is acting towards Quinn in this episode. Almost to the point where when I was watching it, I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. I loved what I was seeing. But couldn’t believe I was seeing it this soon. But it makes sense when you think about it. I’ll explain.

When Carrie has to leave Quinn in Islamabad, we see that she’s realised that she needs him. And this need really transfers when she’s back in normal life. She’s distant, she’s not functioning properly. Genuinely, in this episode, she looks lost. And then when Quinn comes back, she looks so found. This, again, SCREAMS OTP.


The way she looks at Quinn when she lays eyes on him outside the church. Everything about how this scene was shot SCREAMS OTP. She is distracted, talking to friends and family, at her Father’s funeral. Then suddenly, someone comes into focus in the background. She is visibly moved and physically relieved to see him. She walks away from her family and falls into his arms.

When Carrie and Quinn are together, Carrie can make sense of things. Everything seems easier with him around. You can visibly see the tension leaving her body when she knows that he’s all right. Her whole demeanour changes. (This AGAIN underlines the bad writing for Carrie in Season Five) She lets her guard down during this hug and it is beautiful to see. We’ve never seen this from Carrie. EVER. Her moments with Brody were more like 'Let’s shag in the cabin and plan a life together that will never work.’

(I’d also like to raise the point that Carrie and Brody’s reunion after MONTHS apart in Season Three wasn’t even emotional.)

Do we even know how long it’s been since they were in Islamabad? I can’t recall, but I would wager it was a lot less time.

My views on Carrie and Quinn and the kiss are well known. While she realised in 4x11 that she needed Quinn and that she didn’t want to lose him, for me in 4x12, she realised that that need could actually be romantic.

Hell, even Maggie sees it when they’re walking out of the door together.

But what I think is really interesting about the kiss scene, as I posted on Monday, is how Carrie reacts to it.

I think Carrie is taken aback and terrified by how she feels after the kiss. She has been thinking in this episode, and I challenge anyone to doubt me on this, that maybe she does like Quinn as more than a friend. She seems confident when she is around him, perhaps thinking that this could be good.

She wants him to kiss her, you can see it in her eyes.

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But when he actually does, all that confidence goes out of the window. The game changes. For me, I think this is because she realises that this is it. This is a future that could genuinely have a shot at working. This is a healthy, normal, stable relationship. This is Carrie’s worst nightmare in many respects because it’s a real relationship. It’s not doomed like Brody. Or meaningless like her countless other sexual hookups. She can’t manipulate Quinn like she did Brody because he sees right through her bullshit. He knows her, he has seen her 'at her worst’ and wants to be with her anyway. He accepts all of her.

Carrie hates this loss of control. And she panics. She immediately makes the jump from kiss to future and runs away.

'Quinn, I’ll just fuck it up.’


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Quinn talks her round, addressing her insecurities, providing the valid reasons why they would work. And you all know I just love when she’s looking at him and her eyes are smiling because she’s talking to her heart. 'Could this man make me happy?’ Yes. 'Could this actually work?’ Yes. 'Could I fall in love with this man?’ Yes.

It’s incredible acting from Claire.

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But still, she’s hesitant. And again, this is very very un-Carrie. She takes a very very different tactic with Quinn. She doesn’t dive straight into bed with him as she has done with every other good looking man in her life that she’s taken a fancy to. And this for me, again, SCREAMS OTP. The fact that we haven’t seen Carrie and Quinn have sex also feels very significant. We know the sexual tension is there. It literally jumps off the screen. And yet they haven’t had sex yet. No, they’re saving that. I hope they save it as long as possible. For me, the longer they don’t have sex, the more it confirms that they are the OTP because it underlines their relationship as different from every other 'romantic’ relationship that Carrie has had.

I’d also like to share my thoughts on the C/Q phone conversation in 4x12. Which is heartbreaking, but underlines why they’re not ready for each other yet. 4x12 is very centred around Carrie’s feelings for Quinn (which we haven’t seen so clearly before this episode) but I think it’s also very interesting in how it shows Quinn’s feelings for Carrie.

He’s so confident after their kiss. We know how much this moment means to him. Especially after everything that happened between them in Season Four. All those many many romantically heavy moments in Season Four where nothing is confronted but the emotions are there.

He reassures her, underlining how confident is is of his feelings for her.

'I know how this goes, it ends badly.’

'Till it doesn’t.’

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Quinn knows he’s the right guy for Carrie in this scene. Heck, he’s even cocky. He is so sure of his feelings for her. He knows her shit. He knows that she needs to get out as much as he does. He’s noticed the shift in her in this episode.

And then, he drives away. Carrie runs away from him (literally) to Missouri.


He finally calls her with his, 'I can barely contain myself and how excited I am about what happened last night..’ and he coolly comes out with 'I’m wondering about you.’ This scene is amazingly acted by Rupert. He’s trying not to be excited, he’s trying to protect himself and to stay calm and collected.

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He probably couldn’t think of anything else to say. There aren’t really words for 'I’ve been in love with you for two years. Last night meant everything to me.’ He probably gathered from her hesitancy that she didn’t feel their relationship on the level that he did but the fact that she might. The fact that she could. The fact that she had kissed him back. That was everything.

I love how he offers to fly out. He wants to see her, maintain the level of intimacy they had that night. Maintain that closeness. And she shoots him down. And he can’t handle it, because she is everything to him. My stomach drops for Quinn when he speaks to her. His tone of voice is different, even though he’s trying to be normal.

And when she 'rejects’ him, even though she doesn’t, he runs away. That confidence is shattered. Quinn is very much a victim of his own love for Carrie here. He’s been dreaming of this moment for so long and it doesn’t go exactly the way he planned. So he runs away. This proves that he’s not ready.

The fact that Carrie finds out from her Mother that her bi-polar disorder was not a hindrance to her having real lasting relationships and the fact that this gives her the push to call Quinn is hugely significant. She decides that she is ready to take that step, to confront that fear and be with Quinn. She decides she’s ready to truly be with someone, without that safety net. She is all in because being with Quinn is a massive deal. It could wreck their friendship and would completely change both of their lives. But she’s ready to give it up, for him. This also SCREAMS OTP.

But then he’s gone. This man, who Carrie has finally decided that she wants to be with. He’s gone. They miss each other by a matter of hours. This also SCREAMS OTP.

By the time we get to Season Five (holy cow, I’ve written 9 pages!) Carrie and Quinn are the characters that we, as viewers, are most anxious to see together. Regardless of the time hop, regardless if you’re a shipper or not, viewers are waiting to see what happens between these two main characters.

As a further point, the fact that they decided to 'go there’ with Carrie and Quinn also underlines that they are going to 'go there’ with Carrie and Quinn. They introduced an explicit romance between Carrie and Quinn in Season Four. It’s two main characters. They can’t ignore it now.

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“Jeez, what are we supposed to do? Call the cops, it’s already out there!!” Harry from 'When Harry Met Sally’

Sorry, I digress. To take a quote from a 5x04 review by AV Club;

“Carrie and Quinn aren’t ideally compatible, and these aren’t the ideal circumstances for their long-awaited reunion, but as soon as they appear on screen together, Homeland makes more sense than it has all season.”

This is the point I’d like to make. Because of everything that happened in Season Four, we have been waiting for these two characters to get in a room together to see what would happen. To see if anything has changed. This underlines their relationship, AGAIN, as the most important one on the show. Because this is what viewers have been waiting for. There is a 'heaviness’ laying between them in this first scene. Despite the fact that Quinn tries to be all cold, it takes us all of five seconds to realise that he still loves her. You’re not subtle, Quinn.

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He can’t resist taking a jibe at Carrie’s new domestic bliss. Carrie confronts him about their near-miss and tells him that she hasn’t stopped thinking about him. I do, genuinely think that she is trying to rekindle their closeness here, by bringing up their past relationship, but Quinn is, again, acting all distant and cold.

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It doesn’t matter now.

Except it so clearly does. There is also the reintroduction of the elephant in the room with these two again in this episode which again, SCREAMS OTP.

How do I look? Like someone else.

The whole, 'You’re not the woman I fell in love with.’

Sing it with me, ‘There’s such a distance…. between us. And a million miles…” We’d like to thank Adele for sponsoring this episode.

Except when they’re back in action together, back in their professional partnership, back kicking ass where they belong, it’s like they’ve never been apart. And it’s underlined once again that Quinn is definitely still in love with Carrie.

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And again when he literally sacrifices himself to keep her safe. This again SCREAMS OTP.

And then we have Carrie being self involved, lusting after cabin sex with Jonas and just generally not being Carrie. This is the period in Homeland Season Five that just doesn’t make sense. Say episodes 5x05 to 5x09. After everything that happened in Season Four, and how Carrie said she wasn’t going to leave Quinn in 5x04, how she puts herself at risk to get help for him… she leaves him. And seems distracted and 'Oh dear, oh dear’ when Jonas tells her he is dying as opposed to, 'I can’t lose you, Quinn!’ 'Take him to a fucking hospital, Jonas!’ which would have been more in line with the Carrie we know.

Even though Carrie does show some remorse when she’s talking to Otto, she still doesn’t do anything about it. And this isn’t Carrie. She doesn’t just run away and do nothing. Especially where Quinn is concerned.

And when it’s actually underlined that she waited nine days and waited for everything else that was going on to be sorted out before she tends to Quinn… this is just unbelievable. As in, I genuinely don’t believe that Carrie would have waited that long. With Quinn being in the state that he was, the Carrie we knew from Seasons Three and Four, and maybe even Two (as she does go and visit him in the hospital after the Gettysburg attack), would not have just left him way down on her priority list. Just no.

My views on 5x10 and 5x11 and 5x12 are well known. So I’m not going to hash over them again. But what I will say is that they underline more than ever, that Carrie and Quinn will end up together.

In 5x10, we see the physical agony that Carrie feels seeing Quinn in that much pain. We see Carrie’s complete devastation when she thinks that he is dead. The way she sits silently at his bedside at the end of 5x10, feeling sad, and feeling guilty for how she neglected him. As though she is re-realising that he is her everything, and how could she have been so stupid and so careless?

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5x11 and the famous 'I’m here, waiting for you.’

I’ve said before and I’ll say it again. This is pure emotion. I would compare it to the hug in 4x12 in terms of one of the moments when we see Carrie’s true feelings for Quinn. As I’ve said before, every line Carrie says to Quinn when they’re bringing him round is rehearsed and is there for a reason. 'It’s me, Carrie.’ 'I need to talk to you.’ 'It’s really important that you wake up.’ They’re all so staged, so calm, so emotionless.’

But this….

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This is pure love and pure longing. In that moment, she would have waited forever. We even have a cut in there to establish this statement as different to the ones before. And the fact that Quinn shows response to this statement of love, and not her other statements again SCREAMS OTP. He didn’t respond to, 'Quinn, it’s me, Carrie.’ or 'It’s really important that you wake up.’ No, he responded to her saying, with all that love and all that longing, that she was waiting for him.

Real subtle.

While I’m still unsure as to what is going on with Carrie’s feelings for Quinn in 5x12 as it didn’t follow on logically from 5x11 as again, the writing for Carrie was all over the place, I still think her fear of what 'could be’ with Quinn is there. I still think she’s afraid of what she feels when she’s around him. The same sort of fear that characterised her crazy road trip to Missouri and the way she felt after she left Dar Adal’s house at the end of Season Four. That feeling that this could be it, and what if he’s gone?

I’m not sure what motivates Carrie’s decision to mercy kill Quinn at the end of Season Five. Perhaps it’s what Dar said, although I suspect she thinks that she’s fulfilling Quinn’s wishes because of what he wrote in the letter. (FYI, the fact that Quinn’s letter was interrupted also SCREAMS OTP) These declarations and moments are always interrupted with OTPs.

However, now we pretty much know that Quinn is alive and she doesn’t go through with it, we have once again, a Homeland season finale that is centred around the relationship between Carrie and Quinn. This also SCREAMS OTP. Our lasting realisations from Season Five are that Quinn loves Carrie. We’ve heard it in his own words. We also have Carrie by his bedside, and our close memories from 5x10 and 5x11, wherein we see just what Quinn means to Carrie (which again, they haven’t shown us a lot of but they do, when it counts!)

This establishes, as all the seasons have done in different ways, how the relationship between Quinn and Carrie is really the one that matters. They are friends, they are colleagues, they trust each other implicitly, they’re not afraid to call on each other’s bullshit, they put each other above the mission and they’re not afraid to put themselves in danger to save the other. This has developed into a real lasting love between both of them that has and is powering the show.

It’s the relationship on Homeland. It just is. Despite the writers saying that they weren’t gonna do the 'will they, won’t they,’ that’s exactly what they have done. And they’ve used a shit load of tried and tested techniques of the 'will they, won’t they’ OTPs from other shows in order to do it. Especially with holding off on C/Q sex when they’re not afraid to show Carrie having a lot of sex.

Maybe they said they weren’t gonna do it to try and establish Homeland as 'different’ from other shows. But from all the looks between Carrie and Quinn, the 'elephant in the room’, the near misses, the sacrifices, the keeping them apart, they are using all the tricks in the book with Carrie and Quinn to underline that they are the one true pairing of the show.

Okay, I’m done.

anonymous asked:

Sara, love your post on the portrayal of Carrie as a (sometimes confusingly or undeservingly) unlikeable character. I've always thought that they were trying to write Carrie as a representation of America or the CIA writ large, and therefore it makes sense that she is sometimes morally ambiguous, patriotic/dutiful, perseverant, guilt-ridden, manic, and more. But I don't like this long-standing problematic idea that a woman is symbolic of/responsible for the nation (especially in men's stories).

In the beginning it felt like it was important/meaningful that Carrie was a woman. That is, the story would not have been the same if she were a man. Lately, however, this feels less and less important to the story. 

anonymous asked:

As smart as Carrie is, or at least was, wouldnt she sense the abusive and unhealthy relationship btw Dar and Quinn? "Found him at 16, pretty enough..." etc. Did she understand it, at least that she and Quinn both shared this, to use themselves as honey traps for CIA. Saul seemed Ok with this re Carrie, Carrie seemed OK with it re herself. she was not shocked to know about Quinn, i think.

Would she have sensed it? I’m gonna give her a break here.

It’s taken 20-30 years for some of my closest friends to start giving it up about “shameful” secrets ranging from unhealthy/abusive relationships to abortions.

Maybe they were good at hiding. 

Maybe I was good at not seeing.

I have to believe that if she’d known what Dar did to Quinn she would have gone ballistic.

PS Saul wasn’t okay with Carrie’s honey trapping with Brody. In fact, Quinn encouraged her more than Saul did. The Aayan situation was a little less clear. The Saul/Carrie car conversation in Islamabad indicated that Saul knew what she was doing and he seemed fairly neutral about it.

8 Accounts of Black People Being Used As Guinea Pigs. You

Gynecology Invented Through The Torture of Black Women.

In the 19th century, the father of modern gynecology, J. Marion Sims, conducted his research experiments on enslaved Black women. Sims performed the invasive and torturous procedures without anesthesia. J. Marion Sims’ justification for choosing not to anesthetize his test subjects was that he did not believe Black women felt pain at all. In an 1857 lecture, he stated that it was “not painful enough to justify the trouble”.

The Tuskegee Experiment.

The Tuskegee Institute and the Public Health Service began a study of the natural progression of syphilis involving 600 Black men (399 with syphilis, 201 uninfected) in 1932. The infected men involved in the study were never made aware of their condition upon diagnosis and believed they were being treated for “bad blood”. In exchange for their participation, the men received free medical examinations and burial insurance. They were never treated for the disease. These trials went on until 1972 when the study was exposed by The Associated Press. The remaining victims and their family members won a $10,000,000 reparations settlement which guaranteed them lifetime health coverage and burial insurance.

The Pellagra Incident.

Pellagra is an ailment commonly caused by a lack of niacin (vitamin B-13) in the human diet. The symptoms include skin lesions, sunlight sensitivity, dementia and ends in death. At the turn of the twentieth century, millions of people in the United States died from this disease. Scientists claimed that the cause of the disease was a toxin found in corn. In 1915, the U.S. Surgeon General ordered government funded experiments on Black prisoners afflicted with pellagra. Poor diet and niacin deficiency was found to be the cause. However, these life-saving findings were not released to the public until 1935 because the majority of Pellagra-induced deaths affected Black communities.

The Ebb Cade Experiment.

In 1945, African-American Ebb Cade, a 53-year-old truck driver, was secretly injected with plutonium, the substance used to make nuclear bombs. After breaking several of his bones in automotible accident, he was rushed to the emergency room. Unbeknownst to Ebb Cade, he was in the care of doctors that were also U.S. Atomic Agency employees. For six months, he was held in the hospital under the belief that they were treating his injuries. During that time, he was injected with more than 40 times the amount of plutonium an average person is exposed to in a lifetime. The doctors and researchers collected bone samples and extracted 15 teeth to monitor the effects of his exposure. Ebb Cade grew suspicious of his broken-bone treatments and escaped from the hospital. Unfortunately, Cade suffered from the brutal effects of intense radiation until he died from heart failure eight years later at the age of 61.

Weaponized Mosquito Experiment.

In the early 1950′s, the United States government conducted an experiment to see if mosquitoes could be weaponized. The CIA and the U.S. military released nearly a half million mosquitoes carrying yellow fever and dengue fever viruses into several Black communities in Florida. In the predominantly Black community of Avon Park, dozens of Black people became ill, eight dying as a result of this government-issued mosquito attack.

Infants Injected With Test Drugs In Los Angeles.

In June 1990, more than 1500 six-month old Black and Hispanic babies in Los Angeles were given what seemed to be a standard measles vaccination. The parents were not told that this particular vaccine, Edmonston Zagreb measles vaccine (EZ), was still in its research phase and not approved by the FDA. The EZ vaccine already had a reputation in Senegal, Guinea Bissau and Haiti, triggering an increased death rate among infant girls, most not living past the age of two. The Center for Disease Control would later confess that the infants were injected with an experimental vaccination without their parent’s knowledge. Presently, it is believed that many of these families are still unaware that their babies were used as guinea pigs.

The Toxic Sludge Experiment of Baltimore and St. Louis.

In the year 2000, Federally funded researchers from John Hopkins University, the EPA, HUD, The Kennedy Krieger Institute and Department of Agriculture spread sludge from a sewage treatment plant on the lawns of nine low-income families, and a vacant lot in Baltimore and East St. Louis. The families and residents were told the sludge was safe and not informed about the toxic mixture of human and industrial waste the sludge contained. The research was conducted to see if the toxic waste absorbed into the water supply could effectively reduce lead levels in children.

Children Forcibly Vaccinated in Chad.

In December 2012, at least 500 children in Gouro, Chad were forcibly given the MenAfriVac during school resulting in dangerous side effects including convulsions, and paralysis. Parents were not notified of any plans to vaccination their children at school and parental consent was never requested. The forced vaccinations were part of an aggressive healthcare initiative sponsored by several internationally revered organizations including the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the World Health Organization and UNICEF.
We dream about drones, said 13-year-old Yemeni before his death in a CIA strike

A 13-year-old boy killed in Yemen last month by a CIA drone strike had told the Guardian just months earlier that he lived in constant fear of the “death machines” in the sky that had already killed his father and brother.

“I see them every day and we are scared of them,” said Mohammed Tuaiman, speaking from al-Zur village in Marib province, where he died two weeks ago.

“A lot of the kids in this area wake up from sleeping because of nightmares from them and some now have mental problems. They turned our area into hell and continuous horror, day and night, we even dream of them in our sleep.”

Much of Mohammed’s life was spent living in fear of drone strikes. In 2011 an unmanned combat drone killed his father and teenage brother as they were out herding the family’s camels.

The drone that would kill Mohammed struck on 26 January in Hareeb, about an hour from his home. The drone hit the car carrying the teenager, his brother-in-law Abdullah Khalid al-Zindani and a third man.

“I saw all the bodies completely burned, like charcoal,” Mohammed’s older brother Maqded said. “When we arrived we couldn’t do anything. We couldn’t move the bodies so we just buried them there, near the car.”

Several anonymous US government officials told Reuters that the strike had been carried out by the CIA and had killed “three men believed to be al-Qaida militants”.

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