Episode 6 thoughts...which are way too many...BEYOND THE WALL
I’m so glad that I decided to wait and watch the entire episode because it was so worth it. This is going to be a long post, so don’t tell me that I didn’t warn you!! SPOILERS BELOW……
Episode 6 starts with focus on the map of Westeros created by Aegon Targaryen and then we directly head to the north of Eastwatch. I didn’t understand why the map was shown to us. But I guessed that since the last thing we see on that table is eastwatch by the sea, I’m assuming they’re trying to tell us, that’s where the focus is going to be.
So Jon Snow and Co. are walking north of the wall in their quest to find them a Wight. Tormund thinks it’s a stupid idea, which it most definitely is. They don’t have a plan, they don’t know what they are dealing with exactly, they don’t know how many of them are out there. They’re relying on Jon’s Intel which is minimal at best and the hound’s Intel which is based on visions in the fire. It was a stupid plan to begin with and we know now that even the show was trying to establish that very feeling. Thank you Tormund. I love you!!
Talking about Tormund, I loved his banter with Gendry. He also seems to be saying surprisingly prophetic things. When he asks Jon about ‘this dragon queen’ Jon says that she won’t fight by their side unless he bends the knee. Again, Jon is reminded about two things. One that he is not a kneeler and second, how many people is he willing to sacrifice for his pride by giving us the Mance Rayder comparison once again. I think what the show is trying to establish (from Jon’s perspective) here is, how is the northern independence even going to matter if there is no north at all? Ten thousand men can’t defeat the NK and his army and we know this now more than anything else. Going back to season six, Jon tried to take back winterfell from Ramsey Bolton with the men he had and failed miserably. We need more men, said Sansa Stark and proved her point when she got the Knights of the Vale to charge into battle. Jon knows this, that if they have to win against the knight king they need Dani and her army and her dragons. That’s what he believes (at this point) is needed for them to win this war against the NK. Only that he may not be entirely right. But I’ll talk about that a bit later.
Now to Jon and Jorah’s conversation. It’s clear that the two men admire each other. Jon gives Long Claw back to Jorah. He doesn’t think he has a right over it while Jorah’s alive but Jorah gives him back the sword with these words.
“I brought shame into my house. It broke my father’s heart. I forfeited the right to claim this sword. It’s Yours. May it serve you well. And your CHILDREN after you.”
AAAAAAAAAAAA….. PEOPLE, this scene was priceless. I hope you did hear the STARK THEME playing in the background when they focus on Jon’s expression which is again PRICELESS by the way. Yes, he may think he is a bastard and that he’s not a stark. He may even think what name he could give his children but that JON SNOW secretly does want it was the point of that scene. They could’ve stopped with May it serve you well and it would’ve been just fine. But “AND your children after you.” With Jon looking pensive, then looking at the sword with that sigh and that ridiculously heart-warming Stark music in the background and that BLOODY MUSIC continuing to the scene in Winterfell where *ehem ehem* Sansa and Arya have a little chat. When there was talk of continuity of Jon’s lineage, ‘the Stark Music’ was the one playing in the background and THIS IS IMPORTANT because of the sheer number of times it’s been hinted in this season about Jon’s Targaryen blood.
Really, what was all that worry about Arya and Sansa. Arya comments about Sansa not knowing about the fact that Ned watched when the boys practised because she was inside knitting shows what the show is trying to establish about the way Arya views her sister. Lyanna Mormont said in the first episode that she won’t knit by the fire while the men ride into battle. Arya views Sansa as someone who’d prefer to do that. I think in the end of this very season, Arya will realise why to never underestimate even those who silently knit by the fire. For knitting is a direct reference to the various political threads interwoven by skilful hands, the hands of Sansa Stark.
I loved Arya’s little story about her and Ned. It was beautiful.
“I knew what I was doing was against the rules. But he was smiling ..so .. I knew I wasn’t wrong. The RULES were wrong.”
You can see Sansa smiling till the point she says “Now he’s dead. Killed by the lannisters with your help.”
These words change the tone of the conversation and what happens next is exactly what I expected would happen. Arya only sees in Sansa the girl from the past. She doesn’t know what Sansa has suffered at the hands of her beloved Joffrey, leave alone what Ramsey did to her. They don’t know anything about what the other has become. This is not a story where two sisters who were ‘Stark’ opposites of each other while growing up sit down and talk to each other about the their difficult road back home. I REPEAT. This is not that kind of a story. However, if you look carefully, that is exactly what’s happening too, in a very game of thrones way.
Sansa tells Arya that she was forced to write that letter by the Lannisters. She tells her that Jon actually lost the battle of the bastards and if it hadn’t been for her timely intervention with the knights of the vale, they would not have reclaimed winterfell. Arya tells Sansa that she saw her when Ned was beheaded and that she was in the crowd watching helplessly. She also tells her that she was training in Bravos. THIS IS PROGRESS, in a very game of thrones way.
Did you see the guilt on Arya’s face when Sansa asks her, if she was in the crowd why didn’t she do something about it? I think Arya does understand in that moment that Sansa was as helpless as she was but she’s read that letter and she outrages about Sansa betraying Ned and Robb.
So Arya knows that Jon will not be angry with Sansa even if she shows him the letter or she senses that that’s what Sansa feels. I think Arya got it right when she tells Sansa that she fears the letter reaching the hands of the Northern lords.
BECAUSE THAT SCENE WITH LF AND SANSA gave me all the Jonsa feels in the world. But first doubt no. 1
How in the name of seven hells did the north get 20,000 fighting men when Davos said in Episode 3 that they have fewer than 10000??????
Does this mean that SANSA has managed to amalgamate the forces to this huge number?
Okay back to the scene.
Their Loyalty is to Jon. Jon is not here. I haven’t heard from him in weeks.
Do I sense frustration from not having heard from him?
You are the Lady of Winterfell. The king chose you to rule in his absence. *EHEM EHEM* Note how LF doesn’t talk about she being Jon’s sister anymore. Sansa is actually angry with the Northern Lords about turning their backs on Jon. You can see it in her face. Her MAIN worry is that if the northen lords find out about that letter, JON will have no army left by the time he returns. (DID Anyone else go AWWWWWWW?) Sansa acknowledging that Arya would turn against her if she thought Sansa was going to betray Jon was another Sansa moment of higher understanding. Look how LF asks, Is that what she thinks? Because at this point HE KNOWS, that Sansa will not betray JON. He saw it with his own eyes when he came out of the crypts after being almost choked to death. His language has changed, his tactics has changed. He is no longer attacking the stronger bond between Jon and Sansa. He’s attacking the weaker bond between Sansa and Arya. Or so he thinks!!
I WONT SET FOOT IN KINGS LANDING TILL CERSEI LANNISTER IS QUEEN!! Foreshadowing anyone?? Confident Sansa, as lady of Winterfell just totally rocked that scene.
Again that conversation between Sansa and Arya. The one in which she discovers the bag of faces. Arya tells her she was training in bravos to be a faceless man. Again, Jon is brought into the conversation. Now Arya says something very interesting at this point.
“We both wanted to be other people when we were younger. You wanted to be a queen, to sit next to a handsome young king on the iron throne. I wanted to be a knight. To pick up a sword like father and go off to battle. Neither of us got to be the other person, did we?”
I wonder why this dialogue was inserted, apart from the obvious reason to show who they were and who they’ve become. And the question Arya asks in the end. Neither of us got to be the other person, did we? Well okay Tinfoil: But what if in a weird way, they do after all get to be that other person they’ve always wanted to be. Maybe in a way their respective journeys did prepare them to be a stronger version of who they really wanted to be. Sansa if she marries the king *cough Jon cough* and sits beside him on the iron throne will not just be a queen who wanted to marry a prince and give him beautiful babies. She will be a queen who will be the king’s equal partner in every sense of the term and also a queen people will love. If Arya now rides off to battle with a sword, she’ll be a force to reckon with. Maybe destiny will give them a chance to be that other person they’ve wanted to be, just not in the way they thought it would happen.
When Arya talks about wearing Sansa’s face, being the lady of winterfell, yes it was creepy and Sansa definitely looked scared but I wouldn’t worry about it. Because in the next episode, I’m sure Arya will know what it is to be the Lady of winterfell. Sansa will demonstrate it. Besides, I don’t think Sansa would have ever sent Brienne away, especially after LF advises her to keep her close, if she truly thought Arya would do anything to harm her. She’s more worried about Cersei, as she rightfully should. I’m sorry to disagree with many others but I loved the Sansa and Arya scenes. It showcased the complex relationship the sisters share with each other and how they’re slowly discovering each other. This journey will be complete when they take down a foe together.
Besides, ARYA gave SANSA the dagger. It has to count for something. When it appears like she’s going to use it on Sansa she flips it and hands it to her. What is in the next episode, Sansa does something similar? I think it will happen like that. We might worry and then she’ll flip right at the very end. I’m looking forward to it.
Finally, something important happened. Something that was not in the blasted leaks. When the white walker that turns the Wight dies, so do all the wights that go turned by him. This reminded me of The Vampire diaries. When an original dies, so do all the vampires that got turned because of his/her blood. And if we didn’t get this the first time when we saw it happen, a clarification is given in the form of a conversation between Jon and Jorah. Obviously it goes without saying that this is very important to the plot in terms of the battle plans and strategies that they’ll employ in future. TARGET THE WW AND THE WIGHTS WILL PERISH AUTOMATICALLY. Obviously the wights can’t swim. This is established in this episode and also answers by long standing doubt of why they didn’t follow Jon from the water at hardholme.
So…. Water, along with fire is another way to stop them??? Even the NK was not crossing the WATER!!
Tyrion’s noticed Jon staring at Dani and assumes he’s in love with her. Ummm I don’t know what she meant by ‘he’s too little for me’???? In the sense insignificant?? Or Short?? LOL Dani’s obviously worried about Jon. Again, if you notice, she’s going all soft when Jon is mentioned. Then when Tyrion starts talking business,
Which war was won without deceit and mass murder?
Aegon Targaryen got quite a long way on fear?
Tyrion actually asks If that’s the queen you want to be how’re you different from the other tyrants that came before you? Umm.. Did they just use that word?? You can see that she’s not really listening to him.
That was not impulsive, that was necessary.
This line about the tarlys coming from her mouth with no ounce of remorse – that was necessary. Again, she accuses Tyrion of taking his family’s side and reminds him of his failures. And then comes the debate about succession, in the same episode where having children is said to Jon. This can’t be a coincidence. Dani not choosing an heir, Jorah wishing Jon and his future children luck with longclaw. It was interesting.
Well, Dani goes Dracarys in the north and the screen and I both exploded at once. I did shout “burn them all” though Dani didn’t. It was a beautiful visual extravaganza and I loved every bit of it.
You see what they’re doing here, aren’t you?
Dani wears black in every episode, except when she goes north to “SAVE” Jon and Co. Then she’s wearing a beautiful white furry dress. The black and white theme surrounding Dani’s character is not even subtle anymore. Jon looks up at her in obvious awe and gratitude when she flies above them incinerating everything in her path. We didn’t appreciate it when she burnt the lannister army, we hated it when she burnt Dickon Tarly but we were glad when she burnt the wights.
Again, You see what they’re doing here, aren’t you?
Jon and her have a moment when she’s going to help him onto Drogon but he doesn’t. Again, if you look past the romance, you’ll see that there’s a reason why they don’t want Jon to ride on a dragon yet. It was a clever way to disguise that bit with that love-struck look on both their faces for obviously most people missed that moment when Jon almost did not ride a dragon. It’s too early..
Well, I don’t like the dragons as much as I love the wolves but I did feel bad when Viserion spluttered Dragon blood all over and died. It was sad.
Okay, so now time for observations and some very important questions.
Dragon fire did nothing to the NK. When he walked the fire burnt out to make way for him. I think something similar happened at hardhome when the WW enters the burning house where Jon is searching for Dragon glass. The fire seems to diminish/get extinguished with the presence of the WW. Which can mean only one thing. While Dragon fire can kill the wights, it can do nothing much to the WW and especially not to the NK. FIRE CAN’T KILL ICE. Does this also mean one extreme cannot nullify the other??? There’s got to be another way to kill the night king. Something Bran and Sam and hopefully Gilly are going to discover. I keep repeating, Gilly is going to make some important discovery, other than Prince RAGGER.
What the bloody hell are their Spears made of?? I refuse to believe that it’s just ice!! It killed a BLOODY DRAGON for crying out loud?? Bran Stark has some good amount of figuring out to do!! Will you please grant him some screen time??
The Dragons need ARMOUR to shield themselves from these spears and I think it’s probably going to happen if they’re going to join in the fight. What will the armour be made of?? The obvious choice that come to mind is Vayrian steel. Because we know that Valyrian Steel can stop that spear that the WW’s hold. But if it’s supply is very rare, how are they going to find enough to cover not just one but two dragons??
Did anyone else feel Jon staring at the NK greedily? Did anyone else hear what Beric says? Dani and her Dragons are not the only way to defeat the dead. Kill the Bloody Night King and they’re all gone. Did this remind anyone of that scene in the MUMMY RETURNS when the Army of the dead dies when the “CHOSEN ONE” our dashing Mr. O Connel drives that spear through the scorpion king’s heart killing the entire army with the scorpion king?? Well I did, and I can’t stop thinking about it now.
For the first time, we are presented with an option that is not Dani and her dragons. Jon is convinced that she is their only hope. But Beric presents before Jon and the audience another option. Kill the NK and they all will die. Of course Jon doesn’t really think this is possible. But the dice has been rolled and the seeds have been sown in our minds.
Dani obviously is falling for Jon. She’s lost Viserion, yet she waits expectantly, hoping for Jon’s return. I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion in the Jonsa fandom but I’m going to say it anyway. I can see that Jon’s falling for Dani too. The boat scene, there was chemistry both ways. Jon looked guilty and smitten. Look at this from Jon’s perspective for a moment. Jon is convinced that Dani is their only hope. She risks her life to save them. She loses her child, her dragon in the process. Then, she vows to fight the NK without asking Jon to bend the knee. He obviously sees her as a saviour. He even sees her as selfless. She’s beautiful and he’s attracted to her. He reciprocates her gesture of fighting alongside the north in this battle against the dead by suggesting that he’d bend the knee. She’s his queen, because she’s the only queen willing to fight for his cause. I’m not saying it’s a good decision. He’s the one who doesn’t let go of her hand when she tries to pull it away. He’s not playing her guys. (Or that;’s what I think ) I am a Jonsa shipper, but I enjoyed this scene. Two people, who don’t know what they actually are to each other, are falling for each other. Dani has obviously noticed Jon’s scars. Will she ask him about it before boatsex?? Will he tell her the truth?? However, everything good about this stops right here. Because Jon says the following words.
They’ll all come to see you, for what you are.
We all will, and so will you Jon. Season 8 is going to be about that Dani, we’ll all see. It’s foreshadowing for sure and you can’t convince me otherwise. Jon doesn’t know she’s burnt the Tarlys. He doesn’t know how she feels about it. He doesn’t know anything about her past. He doesn’t know what his people will think about her. He’s rushing into this based on his emotions and feelings. Classic case of Hero making bad choices and decisions. Listen carefully to their supposed romantic music. It’s not a happy one. It’s melancholy and tragic. As is their relationship. Dani who’s not even willing to name an heir, is going to find out next season that HE not SHE is the rightful heir to the iron throne.
I should’ve probably kept this for another post, but considering what happened between Jon and Dani in this episode I can’t really keep this out. I think that the way Jon and Sansa’s relationship has been portrayed is the exact opposite of the way Jon and Dani’s relationship has been portrayed.
The viewer does not expect to see anything romantic in Jon and Sansa’s relationship. Yet, the tone of their re-union was set by a love-struck look that a man (Tormund) gives a woman (Brienne). And now that we have other re-unions to compare and contrast it with, we know that Jon and Sansa’s reunion was the most dramatic, the most satisfying. From the first scene onwards, Jon and Sansa seem to be bridging the gap that was between them as children. Jon obviously has told Sansa about his murder and resurrection and Sansa has told Jon about what happened to her. Everything about them from the way they’ve always been pictured as walking together, their matching costumes, the way they stand and sit beside each other screams, We’re a team - One with the military capabilities and the other with the political savvy. Even though Jon is chosen as King in the north, Sansa is his equal and he acknowledges this fact in season 7 by giving her the north. That they are partners in ruling the north, has always been the tone of their relationship.
Consider, how their relationship develops on screen. We get the unwanted (Or so we thought then) romantic vibes from half siblings who look more like King/Queen or Husband/Wife and we were collectively wondering what the hell was wrong with us, until the cousin reveal happens in that very season, and we were like, “Hey, chances are that there is a great possibility that this is how they’ve wanted us to view it.” They in all probability wanted to make us uncomfortable and then comfort us with the cousin reveal. Plus, Jon almost never initiated physical contact, except for the forehead kiss that seemed to last for decades. LOL!!
Contrast this with the development of Jon and Dani’s relationship. We’re almost through with season 7 and yet none of the characters on the show with the exception of Bran know that Jon is in fact a Targaryen. Which could mean only one thing that for some reason they wanted the audience to know before the characters in the show that Jon is not a Stark. Which is exactly what he says before his meeting with Dani. The audiences are allowed to hold the knowledge that Dani is his Aunt before their first interaction when infact we as an audience are being pushed to see them as a couple. Whatever they learn about each other is very superficial and even in that they have disagreements. In every romantic set up, the audience is not allowed to forget that Jon is a Targaryen and a lot of information is withheld from coming out into the open. Plus, their relationship can never be about being equals. It has a superior - subordinate tone to it. Their romantic scenes are confusing. There’s supposed to be attraction but Dadvos had to really spell it out for us for many couldn’t see it. There’s always something off about their romantic scenes. Every scene had their differences being contrasted. I mean in episode 5, Jon looked so disinterested that I almost wondered how they were going to pick it up from here. Having Jorah turn to look at Dani and not Jon, what did they achieve by that?
So I think basically it comes down to this, though we’re supposed to see Jon and Dani as a couple, we’re not supposed to get attached to this romance. Every time they get closer to each other, we are also supposed to remember that they’re related. Jon and Sansa’s relationship starts out with us thinking they’re half siblings until it is revealed to us that they’re cousins. Jon and Dani’s relationship starts with us knowing that they are Aunt and Nephew and that looms over every scene that they are in.
Even in episode six when Jon calls her Dani and she says that my brother called me that. (side note: Who else thought Jon taking Sansa’s name was sexier..”SANSUH”) Okay sorry shipper goggles off. So while the scene was heart-warming, one did feel like Jon was rushing into this without really thinking this through and that there would definitely be repercussions to his decision.
So while it was nice to see Jon and Dani have that emotional exchange, I don’t see the show trying very hard to get the viewers invested in their romance.
Thoughts for the Finale
Brienne is going to meet Jon in KL. Do you think he’ll be annoyed that she left Sansa to fend for herself??
If the Lady of Winterfell has been invited to Kings Landing, so must all the other Lords and Ladies of other houses. Isn’t now a perfect time to set up Jon as the ideal ruler/leader in front of all other Lords and Ladies if that’s where the story is actually going. Maybe make him do something that sets him apart from both Cersei and Dany and make some sense out of the “LONG WALK” trailer. If Jon, Dani and Cersei are going to be in one scene, “the people’s choice” needs to be set up even if it’s real glory is covered with the bending of the knee part/swearing allegiance part.
Jamie and Brienne are definitely going to meet. Isn’t Brienne going to update Jon on the growing restlessness of his subjects?? I hope so.
Since Sansa has not yet talked about the “LONE WOLF” lines we can now safely assume that it’s happening in the finale.
Castle Black is going to fall, I have a bad feeling. We may lose EDD
Team Stark is going to unite and it will mark the beginning of “A time for the wolves”
Thanks for reading this and don’t forget to tell me what you think!!