For those people that think Lotor will get and/or deserves a redemption arc or ship him with the paladins
I’m tired of all the hate and discourse on this fandom, so this isn’t me calling anyone out but I’m just going to explain why that is wrong.
Before I go into this, I wanted to clarify Lotor’s age. I’m not entirely sure about his age and don’t want to delve into that too deep, but by looks alone it’s pretty clear that Lotor is not below 18.He might simply be 18 or older but he’s definitely not under. Though to be fairly honest, given his character designs, the fact he had four personal generals who were obviously not related to him otherwise (besides the fact they were part-galra) they weren’t his family friends or anything so he undoubtedly must have spent time choosing them (we know he had “goals” and he’d need good generals for that). So I’m guessing Lotor’s probably around Shiro’s age. But he could be centuries older than that, since his parents are so old. Also, they’re zombies and I’m not sure zombies can reproduce…
So getting into what this post is about in the first place.
The first argument I’ve seen from people is Lotor’s background. Because he came from an “unloved” background, with negligent parents who were more invested in war.
Frankly, this would make a very valid and good argument. If Lotor was a teen or child. But like I’ve already established HE’S NOT. Again, I know that 18 yo’s aren’t very adult-like, but then again, he grew up in a war background, he would have that kind of a mental maturity, if not emotional. But I’m pretty sure Lotor’s emotionally mature too but I’ll come back to that later. But even if not enough EM Lotor should know the difference between right and wrong. He’s not an idiot. Unless that’s your argument than ofc, idiots do deserve an enlightenment arc.
And please don’t argue with me otherwise, that his upbringing would make his an asshole who thinks it’s okay to harvest life energy out of living beings/sustainability sources for living beings. I grew up in a very Indian background. I grew up around people who think that LGBTQ+ phobia is valid; around racists and sexists. But I’m not one of them. Given my background, I could argue that it would be okay for me to be an asshole but it’s not. Yes, your background and upbringing gives you a starting point but does not make up your personality. This isn’t only me I’m talking about. There are millions of people out there who were brought up in a fascist background, but they’re amazing people because that’s who they chose to be.Your upbringing only has so much of a say in your character, especially as you grow.
Lotor harvesting quintessence is very clearly not for any good. The universe - or other universe - does not need life energy sucked out of it to become a better place. He’s obviously doing it for some twisted, sick, selfish plan. Lotad has obviously spend a lot of time researching on his mother’s ways and her “destroyed” experiment, and that requires a lot of time, hard work and investment that he chose to put into something doubtlessly evil.
The next thing is that his “friends” betrayed him.
To begin with, Lomor and his generals weren’t friendly at all. Now before you argue that they were friends and blah, blah, blah let’s go over their dynamics first. The first time we saw Lotide ordering his generals around leading, he was literally only sitting in one place and giving them orders. If they were friends - or if he considered them equals - he would have at least had the decency to stand with them, like Shiro does with the rest of the team. Shiro considers the team his comrades, his command but also his family. His friends. Even in the flashback we were given of the Paladins of the Old, Zarkon stood with the rest of his team, because yes, he was their leader, their commanding officers, but they were his friends, so he stood by them, with them. But whenever we’ve seen Lotar and the generals he’s always separated from them:
Not only that, the first time Latod went to fight the paladins,
he went alone. He wasn’t really taking the fight seriously, so he didn’t feel the need to include the generals in it because that would mean explaining it all to them and “commanding” them around. Also, he didn’t tell the generals about his plans earlier and that alone entirely eradicated the idea of them being “friends”. Because if they were friends he would have told them this. If they were friends the generals would have noticed that he was working on something he’s keeping from him, but they were all very clearly surprised when they found out. If they were friends, he might not have told them the entire thing but at least would have given them an idea of his plans, since he seemed very obviously excited about them. If they were friends, he wouldn’t have killed Narti. Especially not so nonchalantly.
He didn’t even fucking care that he killed one of his generals.
Now that I’ve established that they’re not friends, I’m going to talk about one last thing: that Lotmar is doing this all because he wants familial “love”. Because he was a neglected child whose parents’ want his dead. Which makes all his misdoings okay apparently.
Yes, he was a neglected child, and he did crave love. [Keyword: did] The creators themselves have stated that he has a bit of a father complex. Yes, Lotre did grow up craving his parents’ love, acknowledgement and affection. Grew up. He’s grown up now.
I wanted to just leave it here but
He clearly doesn’t expect anything from his parents anymore. We’ve seen how he’s like with his mom. He calls her hag, witch and has no respect for her. If he was still naive enough to expect anything from his mom, we’ve seen him for 2 seasons now, I think they would have included something that was supposed to make us sympathize with him. If the creators wanted us to feel sorry for Lotouche, they would have at least made this scene look a little different. Idk, like maybe have Lotor’s smile fade a moment, have a genuinely sad expression and then carve into s smirk. But no, he simply walked away doing that.
I don’t think the creators wanted us to sympathize with him. He was supposed to be a good villain. Not good good. But evil good. Zarkon only used brute force to settle everything he wasn’t a good villain for the plot line. This dude thou, he’s been through a lot and he’s cold, but calculating. He seems like a good leader but is really a shitty backstabbing snake who is smart enough to manipulate his victims/subjects.
And if the creators really intended to give Lotass a redemption arc, they wouldn’t have ended the scene with this look on his face:
This - is not the face of someone who’s worthy of a redemption arc.
And please stop shipping him with the paladins. My babies deserve the world, not a fucking snake. He’s a villain and no falling in love with one of the paladins will not change everything he’s done. Besides, my babies would never fall for Lodick, so it wouldn’t make sense to ship them anyways. Yes, he saved Keith, but he also killed one of his generals without hesitation or an ounce of regret. He does not deserve Keith or any of the paladins.
I hope you understood why even my 7 yo brother hates this dick now. Plus, let’s not forget the scene he was introduced in: the way he lied to a Galran general by behaving like an amazing, forgiving leader in front of thousands. He didn’t only betray the general, but cheated every one present that day.
tl;dr: Prince Lotasshat is a backstabbing, lying, deceiving, ruthless, selfish, cunning, bratty dipshit and seriously does not deserve any of your sympathy.
Edit: I saw a lot of misunderstanding in the notes, so I wanted
to clarify a few things:
But first, before y’all call me out on what I’ve tagged this post
with, can you please read the rest of the fucking
1. I was not calling
you out for liking Lotor.
You’re allowed to like
a villain (ofc not if the villain is entirely fucking messed up… because that
would be messed up). I appreciate a lot of villains too. Because some
villains were made villains, some are intelligent and make you really
appreciate the story, the creators, the writers, etc, some of them are the only
thing that keeps the story alive and others make you question the definition of
“good” and “bad” and how strong the line differentiating them really is. There
are villains that are so well written, makes you question what you’ve believed
I mentioned this in
the beginning of the post but I’m reiterating it again: this was not a call
out post. I was not calling anyone out for liking Lotor, but reminding you
to stop de-villainizing him.Reminding you that Prince Lotor
is a villain, has hurt, offended, cheated, betrayed and even killed people
and he therefore is a VILLAIN.
This wasn’t really
about ships but I needed to make this clear so I added it. I know a lot of you
believe in the “ship and let ship” thing but Lotor is a bad person and shipping
a bad guy with the good guys is not okay. I know this happens in other fandoms
too, but that doesn’t make it okay. He’s painted a villain, bad, for a
cause and it definitely isn’t for people to romanticize that.
relationship with someone like this will be abusive and unhealthy and that will
never be okay. And by abusive and unhealthy, I don’t mean it has to be
physical. It doesn’t have to be entirely emotionally scarring either. It can be
little things like that bullshit jealousy trope that is not healthy. It could
be distrust, forcing your feelings, friendship onto someone, it can be fear or
discomfort with your lover. Like in so many relationships and these tropes
people are afraid to show embarrassing parts of themselves to their lovers
because they put them up on some pedestal. But that isn’t healthy or “romantic
and cute”. Your lover needs to be one of
your best friends, someone you can trust. We know that the
paladins don’t like or trust this guy. I don’t understand how people romanticize
This is all I have for now,
but seriously people, I’m not calling you out or insulting you. I’m just
telling you to think before you jump into shipping characters. Think about what
the characters are like, their individual personalities, their relationships
with each other, at the moment. Eventually if things feel safe, if it seems
like these people could be in a healthy relationship you can ship it then (except
I don’t really see this happening with Lotor, I’m certain he’s not getting a
redemption arc, this was just to be safe with other ships).
I don’t know if you’re going
to consider this offensive, rude, arrogant or whatever, but I wasn’t trying to insult
anybody, not before I properly explain everything to them. This is what I did
in this post. Not calling others out.
Happy Birthday to the rudest of all rude but is still a sweet little shit. Hope you will achieve everything that you want in life hand in hand with the boys group or solo. Happy birthday you little shit
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So I’ve been watching DOTU and I couldn’t help but notice…
This is episode 6, The Right Arm of Voltron.
Season 4 supposedly has 6 episodes.
This episode, Shiro/Sven dies, but there isn’t an explanation for the title. Lance is the right arm, and Sven was the pilot of Blue. With the whole thing on Jeremy saying “Lance like dies” in S4, I can’t help but wonder why this is why it is.
There is a post about Klance a while back stating that every episode 6 of VLD has something going on with Lance and Keith. I’m not sure where the original post is, but the main point is:
Sven/Shiro is the Black Lion/Blue Lion pilot in the generations of Voltron, although it switches sometimes. Lance pilots Red for the majority of the shows.
There has been a concerning amount of foreshadowing to Lance’s supposed “death” next season, such as:
In S3 04, Hole in the Sky, the armor of the dead crewmen is blue, and it’s odd that Lance was the first to approach them.
The scene where Lance tells Keith about him stepping aside from the team. (If I call it the “bedroom scene,” I’m gonna lose it, sorry.)
If we flip back to S1 VLD, when Lance gets caught in the explosion to save Coran, a dude he just met. Literally, that takes some guts and honor. Kudos to Lance. Let’s all just high-five him, he deserves it.
Lance “dying” would kind of be the climax of his insecurities that haven’t been directly approached yet in the show.
And, since the interview on S4, Keith causes a “rift” in the team.
This may just be a theory, but I’m guessing Keith is going to go off somewhere and Lance will follow, hence the “rift.”
When Sven runs toward Haggar’s cat in episode 6, Lance runs after him saying “Don’t go alone!”
This will definitely be parallel to Keith rushing after Lotor by himself. Since we know Lance has been supporting the new leader in S3 nonstop, it would be of no surprise that he would continue this. I have no doubt Lance would follow Keith, to either save him from himself, or from the enemy.
In the process, I assume it will be either Haggar or Lotor who “kill” Lance. And no, I, without hesitation, do not think Lance will actually die. I know right? Take deep breaths.
They aren’t going to kill him off in the fourth season.
Honestly, it’s a waaayy to bold move for them to make. No, not because of cencorship, guys, this is Netflix, not Cartoon Network. It’s because they’d be killing off a major protagonist.
Plus, it’s also kind of lame.
Dreamworks and Studio MIR collaborate in adding little details that we know will pay off later. Expressions, setting, dialogue.
And another line from Keith which may or may not be important: “We could toss out some non-essential weight.”
Yeah. They’ve pretty much been hyping up the Lance angst subtly until it isn’t so subtle and will only become a bigger upcoming deal.
Anyway, someway, somehow, Lance will be protecting Keith. And he’ll feel like an awful leader for rushing off and putting his teammate in danger.
They aren’t going to kill Lance off if they’ve been setting up Klance (or Laith, which in my opinion, sounds prettier) for a while. Angst is only good when it sets up a relationship, I think. And judging by LOK with Asami and Korra going through a lot of unpleasant experiences together, Voltron will be no exception.
Me seeing Beth Smith finally get positive development, interesting interactions with her father, and a thought provoking ending to her character growth after practically begging the RaM writers on my knees for it all season:
you know what’s absolutely heartbreaking? andrew wasn’t born closed off and guarded, he wasn’t born stone-faced and unimpressed with the world.
andrew was born as every other infant. he was a toddler at some point, giggling at everything, wide-eyed and curious. andrew probably had a favorite stuffed animal, a favorite blanket. andrew probably hummed along to songs as he finger painted and scribbled everywhere.
andrew most likely tried, and had, friends. he probably played play-pretend, hide ‘n seek, and other silly games we all played.
he wasn’t born “damaged” and that’s the heartbreaking part, the fact that the people who were supposed to protect andrew, love him, care for him were the ones who took all of that away from him.
he was a child like everyone else, and that was stolen from him like everything else was.