In his later years, Norman Rockwell lived in the kind of wholesome, G-rated small town you’d expect to see in his paintings. But he didn’t move there for its tranquil pastures; he moved for the psychiatric institute where he and his wife sought treatment.

On All Things Considered today, Robert Siegel spoke to biographer Deborah Solomon about her new book, American Mirror, and Rockwell’s close relationship with his psychoanalyst, Erik Erikson. You can read or listen to that interview here.