How was Undyne able to resist dead in the genocide route if monsters can't have determination?
This is actually a misconception. Nothing in the game states that monsters cannot have determination. It’s actually a case where monsters cannot handle determination like humans do.
Here is the the unused lab entry about the amalgamates.
ENTRY NUMBER 17 monsters’ physical forms can’t handle “determination” like humans’ can. with too much determination, our bodies begin to break down. everyone’s melted together…
This information is echoed by what Alphys says to Frisk in the true lab.
From these two, it’s clear that physical matter is required to handle determination, and “monsters’ bodies do not have enough… physical matter” to handle the excessive amounts of determination that humans are capable of. This lines up with the comparison between humans and monsters’ physiology.
Humans have physical forms that allow them to handle high concentrations of determination. Their physical forms make them stronger than monsters. However, monsters must have some physical matter to them if they’re not all magic. Moreover, there are a few instances in game where monsters are said to have determination.
GERSON Undyne? Yeah, she’s a local hero around here. Through grit and determination alone, she fought her way to the top of the Royal Guard.
ASRIEL: With everyone’s power… With everyone’s determination… It’s time for monsters… To finally go free.
UNDYNE: Now, human! Let’s end this, right here, right now. I’ll show you how determined monsters can be! Step forward when you’re ready! Fuhuhuhu!
Undyne is able to resist death because of her determination, similar to how a human’s soul persists after death. But why would she only become Undyne the Undying in the genocide route?
One possible explanation is that in the neutral route, Undyne does not have enough determination to become Undying. While this clearly contradicts the idea that monsters cannot handle excessive amounts of determination, there is one important thing to note in the genocide route: Undyne’s body is “reformed.” Her body literally breaks apart upon death and is recreated to become Undyne the Undying. This is thanks to her determination to save not only the monsters, but the humans as well – “to save Earth.”
On the other hand, in the neutral route, Undyne is only fighting for the monsters in the underground. After losing all her HP, her body melts because she is trying so hard to defy death with her determination – her “will to keep living.” Unfortunately, it’s not enough to reform her body.
Evidence from the game suggests that two people are aware of the True Reset power: Asriel and Chara.
It’s implied in Flowey’s request after the pacifist route that he is aware of a True Reset that will bring everyone back and wipe away everyone’s memories, including his own. What may come as a surprise is that Asriel himself wants to use the True Reset power in the game. During his battle with Frisk, he says the following:
ASRIEL: You know… I don’t care about destroying this world anymore. After I defeat you and gain total control over the timeline… I just want to reset everything. All your progress… Everyone’s memories.
The last three lines describe the power of a True Reset – it resets everyone’s memories and brings all progress back to zero.
While normal resets erase the memories of the monsters, it is not perfect. The monsters Frisk befriends will have a sense of déjà vu when they see Frisk because of their strong bond. Frisk’s expression also gives away certain things to monsters (i.e. that they have died when Sans says they have never died before). The game files keep track of important events Frisk has completed through each run, despite the resets. However, a True Reset will completely eliminate the déjà vu feeling and reset all values in the game files (except for the one that keeps track of the completed genocide route).
What cements the idea that Asriel was aiming to use a True Reset is the following dialogue:
FLOWEY: YOU still have the power to reset everything. Toriel, Sans, Asgore, Alphys, Papyrus, Undyne… If you so choose… Everyone will be ripped from this timeline… …and sent back before all of this ever happened. Nobody will remember anything. You’ll be able to do whatever you want. … That power. I know that power.
Given how Asriel/Flowey talks about this power right before the True Reset power becomes available in the menu, both dialogues support the idea that the power Asriel wants to use in his battle is the True Reset.
Despite not having determination, which is the power to “reshape the world,” Chara is the one who has the True Reset power. This is stated by Flowey in his request:
FLOWEY: Well. There is one thing. One last threat. One being with the power to erase EVERYTHING… Everything everyone’s worked so hard for. … You know who I’m talking about, don’t you? That’s right. I’m talking about YOU. YOU still have the power to reset everything. […] So, please. Just let them go. Let Frisk be happy. Let Frisk live their life. … But. If I can’t change your mind. If you DO end up erasing everything… … You have to erase my memories, too. … I’m sorry. You’ve probably heard this a hundred times already, haven’t you…? …
Flowey could be addressing the player instead of Chara. However, everything in the game should be able to apply to both a character (Frisk or Chara) and the player, since the player as a separate entity is still just a theory. Ultimately, it is up to personal interpretation whether or not he is addressing Chara or the player.
Regardless, it’s not Frisk who has the True Reset power. Not only does Flowey beg “Chara” to “let Frisk go,” but there is nothing to indicate that Frisk should have the power of True Reset. There is no evidence that Frisk gained more “control over the timeline” after defeating Asriel and reaching the surface. It wouldn’t make sense for the the True Reset power to belong to Frisk. It’s also peculiar that Frisk would choose to True Reset after working so hard to save everyone, given their kind personality.
Source of this Power
True Reset is a bizarre power. It’s something only available at the end of the pacifist route, and it is something Asriel attempts to use. By the nature of the game’s design, it is a mechanic that allows the player to play the game again on a clean slate. But how is this possible within the context of the story?
The source of the power appears to be “total control over the timeline,” as Asriel claims.
While Asriel has more determination than Frisk at this point, he speaks about gaining “total control” by defeating Frisk. Perhaps, as long as Frisk is determined, he is unable to completely wipe everything and return it all to zero.
How Chara could have this power at the end of the pacifist route is unknown. Chara is a strange force in the game and the underground. Nothing implies that gaining the max amount of LOVE would give anyone the power to destroy the world, yet Chara is able to do this in the genocide route. Coincidentally, destroying the world is the only other way to return everything to a clean slate (with the exception of the surprise ending in the pacifist route).
At the end of the pacifist route, Chara represents the player’s inability to let goof the game and its characters. They are the force that will bring everyone back in order to keep playing. With Frisk gone and Flowey no longer determined to reshape the timeline, perhaps Chara uses the player’s determination to bring the game back to start. The power of True Reset is one of the game’s many mysteries.
’#actually no they sort of explained it in one of my favorite lines in the whole show’
Well I’m curious, what line was that?
I always thought this line (maybe unintentionally) covered almost every single question I had during the series.
Because Astral implies that Yuma is/has a piece of himself it explains why Yuma of all people was sort of chosen to be his host (though it seemed by chance before), why they can zexal, why Yuma can Shining Draw, etc.
And if Astral and Don Thousand clashed in that battle while scattering all of their pieces, it seems reasonable that some of their “pieces” got mixed together, and/or became foils of the other.
Don Thousand’s hair droops down and long and his eyes are dull and half-lidded, while Yuma’s hair points up and his eyes are round and shining - basically their resigns reflect “hopeless” and “hopeful.”
And then there’s the matter of the fact that Don Thousand apparently has the emperor’s key symbol on his outfit somewhere, and how the Numbers were both pieces of Don Thousand as well as Astral’s memories.
So I’m saying that Don Thousand and Astral got pieces of the other, and that shows through in Don and Yuma’s designs.
I think it goes with the theme of joining things that don’t seem to go together but actually have similarities, and how differences can become strength instead of a burden (ie: chaos summon).
I've been seeing some stuff lately (not here on tumblr, but elsewhere) about ppl claiming Yona doesn't deserve to be with Hak... like that she hasn't done enough for him to earn his affections or to be in a relationship with him. Idk it made me mad so I was wondering what your thoughts are about it?
‘Kay. I got this ask a while ago and couldn’t quite decide how to form an answer, so please bear with me as I try to put my thoughts into words.
The entire idea that Yona needs to prove herself in some way or another to be worthy of Hak’s affections, to me, is ridiculous. For one, people fall in love for many different reasons, and just because Yona was a bit of an airhead and not a badass when Hak liked her shouldn’t mean squat. If Hak liked Yona for such a long time he obviously saw something in her that he appreciated and wanted to pursue. That’s his choice, so people making out like Yona needs to be someone worthy of affection or something are likely disregarding that Hak fell for her because, to him, she was worthy of his affection. Now, I get that a simple response here is that, “oh but Yona didn’t like him back so it wasn’t good for him to like her, etc.”, but again I think this has no root as Yona wasn’t aware of Hak’s feelings. She never led him on or toyed with him, she simply liked someone else, Hak never let her know how he felt, and she therefore never viewed Hak as a love interest. Hak himself knew this and still chose to like her and not move on. That to me puts all these “not worthy” complaints on him. He could have moved on to someone “more worthy of his time” but he didn’t. That was his choice.
From a different light, and after Yona flees the castle and Hak starts to be more open with his feelings, I feel that perhaps some people who hold this thought don’t so much think that Yona doesn’t deserve Hak, but rather that because she didn’t return his feelings right from the get-go that there’s an imbalance and “Hak loves her more”, or “she hasn’t contributed as much to their relationship”, or [insert similar thing here]. In response to this I just… arg, I dunno, it just seems silly to think that Yona has something to make up for. Yona just… wasn’t too into Hak in that way at the start of the series and both have had to grow to reach the stage they are at now in their relationship. People are allowed to not like other people romantically, even if said person is super nice and would love them unconditionally. That’s called having a choice. And Yona is allowed to not like Hak’s sometimes iffy advances and tell him to stop. She is also allowed to start developing deeper feelings when the two begin to grow and mature together as they face different trials and support one another.
I just… don’t see where the idea of “deserving someone” comes into this at all. Hak and Yona are just two people who have realised that they enjoy each other’s company and support in a deeper way than friendship and as such have started to grow closer romantically. Yes, Hak has dedicated his life to being her guard and has supported her for a long time even though one could argue he didn’t get out of it what he wanted (that is, Yona’s interest) but again, that was his choice. I’m not trying to defend that it was the right choice, but blaming Yona for his choice and then thinking she needs to make up for it just goes over my head. I really don’t get it.