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... Somehow, Still Talking About This Captain America Shit (Now With Bonus Spider-Man and Agents of SHIELD)

So now Secret Empire has revealed its Shyamalan Twist and given the readers a Good Guy Steve Rogers as well as Hydra Cap, and the kinds of dickbags who, when this whole bullshit began were dismissing people’s complaints with “oh come on, don’t you know how comics works, it’s all going to be put back at the end, blah blah blah…” are crowing I-Told-You-So’s.

But here’s the thing:

Yeah, fucknuts.  We always knew this.

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Can I get two things straight please.

Recently I heard a certain..boisterous shall we say Spider-Man fan make two statements that boiled down to

a)      Ben Reilly was a carbon copy of Peter as evidenced by his sacrificing his life for him in Revelations

and

b)      Doc Ock is probably Spider-Man’s greatest nemesis because he killed Peter in Superior.

Here’s why one statement is illogical as a criticism and the other is straight up bullshit.

So starting off with the first one, Ben was not merely a carbon copy of Peter. But yes in sacrificing his life for Peter in Revelations he  did something Peter would’ve done.

And that was the fucking point.

Ben Reilly, whilst believing himself to be the real Peter Parker and Peter a clone of him, a clone who’d lived 5 years of what should have been Ben’s life, willingly gave up his life to save Peter.

He made a heroic sacrifice, the kind of which Peter has been willing to make countless times.

Only he wasn’t the real Peter Parker, he was a clone.

The point being that the nature of his birth was irrelevant. He was as much of a person and as much of a hero as Peter was, making the fundamental point of the Clone Saga that how you live your life is more important than where you come from.

As for the Superior thing, I’ve said this multiple times before (although this particular Spider-Man fan refuses to listen) but Otto neither killed Peter nor is he his greatest foe.

Call me crazy but surely Spider-Man’s greatest villain should be the most VILLAINOUS person to him personally, since the series is you know…about his life.

I get how you might argue that taking over his body would be the worst thing to ever happen to someone so that villain should take the crown.

But as should be bloody obvious to anyone who’s read enough Spider-Man, peter cares much more about others than he does himself. The suffering of innocent people, let alone his friends and family is all much more important to him than any pain and suffering visited upon himself.

So we have Doc Ock taking over his body vs say, Norman Osborn killing Gwen Stacy, faking Harry’s death, faking Aunt May’s death, convincing him he’s a clone, rendering Flash Thompson brain damaged, maybe killing his kid, killing Ben Reilly, causing emotional pain for his wife and also literally torturing him for over a week with trippy drugs to turn him into his son…and sending him out to attack his friends whilst doing that. And then Peter has to live with that crap afterwards, in particular having to live with the pain of losing his loved ones.

 

Hmmmm, I wonder which MIGHT be worse from Peter’s point of view????????????

 

Yeah…Otto doesn’t even come close to the top spot, even if he did kill peter.

Which by the way, he didn’t.

Despite reading and commenting upon stories which make this point explicitly clear, this particular Spider-Man fan continues to act as though Doc ock killed Spider-Man in ASM #700 when that never happened. The Peter who died in otto’s body was a copy of Peter’s mind, not the real deal. The real deal remained in his own body, hence Ghost peter and so forth.

A few of the many things I'll never get over from Star Wars: The Clone Wars

-Captain Rex running into that pipe
-That god forsaken episode that is literally just R2D2 looking for a piece of fruit???
-“UNHAND ME BRIGAND”
-Anakin Skywalker is an even bigger nerd than I previously thought o h no guys send hel p this hurts
-spider Maul???????
-the clones
-that’s it literally everything about the clones
- we have an entire story arc that is basically Godzilla? And we never talk about it?
-Barriss Offee BarriSS OFFEE BECAUSE GDI GIRL YOU HAD A POINT BUT YOU DIDN’T NEED TO BECOME A TERRORIST
-Captain Rex running into that pipe
-it is hinted that Jar Jar Binks spends a whole kriffing night getting laid and Mace Windu doesn’t even bat an EYE
-“Be careful not to choke on your stupidity”
-Fives’ order 66 arc
-Obi-Wan stabbing a prisoner with a fork and THREATENING TO EAT HIM
-HOW THE JEDI COUNCIL INSISTS UPON LEAVING EMOTIONS OUT OF MISSIONS BUT ASSIGNS A MENTALLY UNSTABLE FORMER SLAVE AND HIS TOGRUTA PADAWAN TO RESCUE THE TOGRUTA PEOPLE, WHO HAVE JUST BEEN ENSLAVED
-CAPTAIN REX RUNNING INTO THAT PIPE

Could the comics fandom please stop being judgemental of Peter Parker AND Mary Jane Watson please?

Like seriously.

Half the time it feels like fandom is declaring Mary Jane a whining asshole during the marriage


The other half of the time it’s like fandom is declaring Peter his ball of ‘problematic’ behaviours


Heads up to EVERYONE out there on this site and elsewhere.

Try for a solitary moment considering if there honestly COULD be a justification for the characters’ actions rather go gung ho on your kneejerk first impression.

Try considering things from BOTH character’s realistic points of view instead of just the main character’s POV, the POV that you might happen to more closely relate to, or generally prioritizing one character’s POV over the other.

And for goodness sake put shit into context.

Context of the standards and practices of the times it was written in and also of the specific situation of the story.

In the 1970s, maybe Peter Parker is ditching out on Mary Jane without a word to go be Spider-Man. But could he be doing that because there is a pressing emergency and he wishes to not arouse suspicion which could lead to his identity being exposed and LOTS of people dying?

In the 1970s, maybe Mary Jane did berate Peter for ditching her despite knowing he was probably doing so to go be Spider-Man. But could her anger not be justified by virtue of her knowing he’s lying to her face, her own fears over finally being in a committed relationship or her concerns for his and her own safety due to his life as a hero in light of what happened to Gwen?

During the 1990s was Spider-Man acting like an angry asshole sometimes? Yes but MAYBE that had something to do with grim and gritty being the rule of the day and Marvel trying to shallowly chase that? An also he was being like mentally tormented half the time.

During the 1990s was Mary Jane often reduced to waiting by a window in lingerie? Yes but MAYBE that had something to do with there being literally FOUR monthly Spider-Man titles by FOUR different writers trying to routinely tell FOUR different stories…plus a quarterly title, one shots, mini-series, crossovers and guest appearances all of which stretched the brand thin and thus made the likelihood of repetition and cliche tropes extremely probable especially for a supporting character whom many writers felt obliged to feature but couldn’t do much to creatively dictate? And also it was the decade where there was FOUR Marvel Swim Suit Specials. 

 

No matter who you are or what your situation is put your self on BOTH sides of the aisle and consider the feelings, motivations and justifiable actions of either character.

Peter is perfectly right to go off and be Spider-Man because he’s literally saving lives which are priceless.

But MJ is also perfectly right to get stressed and upset about it sometimes because she has had to sacrifice a lot and shoulder a lot of burdens in being with Peter, which isn’t easy.

One of the best scenes to touch on this idea was in Fabien Nicieza’s underrated Clone Saga story Spider-Man: the Final Adventure.

What’s so brilliant about this scene is that whilst it’s an argument, the truth is both characters are right and both characters are wrong and you can be simultaneously condemnatory and sympathetic to both in context.

So please everyone, THINK a little before you lambast or support one character or another and try to see things from all POVs.

In fact fuck it, try doing that with all characters and stories not just these two.