Don’t forget Gorillaz fans, Jamie Hewlett exist! He made all you’re favorite band members come to life in the music videos, shorts, ect! He continues drawing them countless times and works day and night to give you new content with the band members! So please appreciate him!!! ❤❤❤
but I wonder if the haters who tag stuff in the mon el tag or karamel tag realize that -they sound simply immature and rude, they are just two seconds of ‘pff this is not true’ before clicking the block button -they also come off as… weird at best because 90% of the stuff they write is not even real? -it won’t make us ship them less -in my case, it doesn’t even make me furious or upsets me particularly, because I get, you know, CANON scenes with them together so I enjoy the show just as much, enjoy my choices just as much. If they do it to upset shippers… wow, you wrote a bad post about a ship I like and I read part of it before blocking you. Your missions is complete. I hope you are proud with the enormous effect that your actions had. -If anything I actually love him MORE because I feel like defending him from untrue accusations and that strengthens my appreciation for the character (Everyone who likes a character or is ambivalent is pushed to like them more when they are hated in an unfair way) -if one day things went wrong for Kara and Mon El, I’d still cherish the fact that I had so many lovely scenes to look at, hope for the best, and be happy because I got so many good things first, and either I’ll keep watching the show because it makes me happy or, if it doesn’t because I can’t stand a ship, I’ll stop watching it because why watch something that clearly isn’t going my way? unless I like complaining. But because I wasn’t raised in a barn I do it without tagging the character. I use anti-tags.
seriously, some of the tags in this fandoms are full of hate, exaggerations, dramatic statements with words that shouldn’t be used lightly, and it’s so ridiculous? And I mean it in a second-hand embarrassment sort of way.
I just watched a video called "The Walking Dead: Rise Up 2017 Tribute" on YouTube and your comments about the erasure of Michonne came to mind. The video completely ignores Michonne's role as a major player in the upcoming war, ignores her importance in Rick's decision to fight and ignores her as one of the most important people to Rick. I really hate this fandom sometimes. Of course there was some bullshit reason in the comments that didn't really make sense about why Michonne was left out.
I don’t know why this persists, Anon. And it’s not AMC’s fault–they have done a good job with promoting their #1 pairing in promos and what not. Still, a photoshoot could help…just throwing that out there.
At any rate, given the social climate of our country since forever, this isn’t surprising to me. I think if Michonne was not the love interest of one Rick Grimes, then this blatant disregard for her character would not be prevalent in fanvids and the like. But this is their way of not only not acknowledging her importance to the show, but also ignoring her importance to Rick’s life.
like when people hate on Miyokichi just because she gets in the way of their
OTP (she really doesn’t IMO). And her hurt is totally understandable this
episode. I think that Miyo was a good friend to Kiko and I think he has been
kind of selfish towards her. He always talks to her about himself and his
insecurities but he never asks about her life and worries. In a way
he was using her. BUT I do think Miyo was kind of using Kiko as well. Though I
feel sympathy for her because of her limited geisha status. It was clear to me
that Miyo saw Kiko as a means to escape her station in life. This is why she wanted
him to rise in his Rakugo status and why Kiko asked her not to call him “Sensei”.
things about Miyo that never sat well with me. I didn’t like when she said
“you can’t get out of this one” followed by Kiko backed into a corner
while Miyo “teaches” him how to kiss. That scene was so
awkward/uncomfortable for me.Most of their relationship is basically Miyo
pressuring Kiko to hang out with her or to touch her despite Kiko’s obvious
discomfort, distance and attempts to avoid her. You could say that Miyo was so
in love with Kiko that she was blind to Kiko’s discomfort at her many insistent
advances. BUT, you could also say that Miyo was so caught up in the idea of
such a sophisticated/different man as Kiko being her lover that she never
bothered to ask about his true feelings on their “romantic”
relationship. IMO, Miyo wanted Kiko as a boyfriend regardless of Kiko’s comfort
or actual feelings. When she discovers he doesn’t open up to her but does to
Sukeroku she doesn’t give him space and then ask about his feelings. Instead
she pulls Sukeroku away and lies down on Kiko’s lap without his permission. We
can see his displeasure when he looks away and complains. She feels entitled to
the emotional intimacy that Kiko shares with Sukeroku even though Kiko does not
owe her that at all.
Kiko has known Sukeroku since childhood and he has only known Miyo for less
than a year, he would predictably be more intimate with Sukeroku. She is
overstepping Kiko’s boundaries without his consent. Secondly, it isn’t that
Miyo doesn’t deserve Kiko’s intimacy it is just that ONLY Kiko can decide who
he feels comfortable with. It is not something that can or should be forced.
Yet, Miyo keeps barging into his life regardless of his true desires and
personal space/comfort. She doesn’t really ask for his consent. Yes, he
“agrees” to hang out with her, even “lets” her kiss him but
he has never voiced affirmative consent to being physically/emotionally intimate
with her in the way she keeps pressuring him to be. (The State University of New York states “silence or lack of resistance, in and of itself, does not demonstrate consent.”) Even when he opens up to
her about the play and she invites herself to do his makeup he instantly
regrets it. I think that Kiko knows what Miyo wants and knows that he can never
be that for her.
Miyo wants “alone time” with Kiko, but he is more content when he can spend “group time” with Miyo and Sukeroku
agreed to be her boyfriend so he doesn’t owe her romantic interactions/alone
time/ dates. I think he saw her as a friend. I do think he wasn’t a very good
friend. He should have been honest with her about his feelings, I agree. Yet, I
can still sympathize with him. I am like Kiko in that I find it VERY hard to
say no to people. So, I can relate so much to how Kiko went along with Miyo’s
pressuring despite his discomfort. Plus, his master set their relationship up
so there might be pressure there to appear as if he is entertaining Miyo. Also,
Kiko could be a gay guy trying to keep up the appearance of heterosexuality. In
all cases Kiko is still not a good friend and I do feel bad for Miyo but I also
feel sympathy with Kiko.
There is also the possibility that Miyo loves the
“idea” of Kiko more than the actual Kiko. She was supportive when he
was struggling but in my opinion she definitely wanted something out of it. @devilcastlescans compared Miyo to a “nice guy” in that
she acts nice and friendly but she always wants something in return that is not
platonic. “Nice guys” are usually only nice in return for romantic/sexual favors. Miko does start to feel entitled to Kiko’s romantic love and doesn’t bother
to discover what Kiko actually wants from their relationship. This also adds to
Miyo’s desire to rise up in the social ranks. She proposes to Kiko that he
should be an actor instead of doing Rakugo. But, how much is this Miyo wanting
to support Kiko and how much of it is her wanting to take Kiko away from his
old life and mold him into her successful lover unburdened by thoughts of
Sukeroku. After all, most of Kiko’s conversations with her about Rakugo were
also about Sukeroku. And if she really did take Kiko’s feelings into account
she would know that Rakugo and the family he found there is very dear to his
heart. It isn’t something he would just abandon to become an actor. In the end
one can say that both Kiko and Miyo use and mistreat each other.
have seen the manga scans but I don’t know Japanese so I only got part of what
was happening. I am curious if the manga paints Miyo in a sympathetic light
even after what she did for her “love” of Kiko in volume 8. Is there
more details on her status as a geisha and why she is so desperate? Was
Sukeroku mean/abusive towards her? (I really hope not T_T).
case of Miyo “hate” I think it is more complicated than shippers being salty. I don’t
hate Miyo. However, I can understand some people’s dislike of her and her
forceful ways. I think there are legitimate parts of Miyo that people can have
issues with regardless of who they ship. I still don’t hate her but I can’t
fully love her because of the reasons I listed and because of what appears to
happen in the manga. Then again this is only a testament to her complexity as a
character. I also started to fall a little out of love with Sukeroku this
episode and I can recognize Kiko’s coldness. All the characters are not perfect
and that is a good thing.
Look what y’all made Sebastian do. I wish some of y’all would quit tagging him in ridiculous bullshit like that on Instagram. If you have an opinion on it, fine, but for the love of GOD, don’t tag him. What the hell did you think was going to happen? Sebastian has been so…accessible(for lack of a better word)…to his fans, and this is how y’all take advantage of it? He’s been nothing but gracious to his fans, but you assholes are going to cause him to cut himself off and then you’re going to be mad at him for THAT. And you’ll have nobody to blame but yourselves.
ETA: Also of note, just because Seb has called his fans his “friends”, doesn’t mean you’re ACTUALLY his friend. You don’t get to act like you are. Tag him in fan art, tag him in positive and inspirational messages, great. Leave the rest alone.
ETA2: I saw another comment from Seb that he wasn’t directing his message at the fan that posted the article. Regardless, he doesn’t need to be tagged in it.
I’m not asking you to ship and/or like the same characters that I do. I think that I respect all opinions, all I’d like is the same courtesy. I’m sure that you wouldn’t like if I bash your ship, so PLEASE don’t be a hypocrite defending your ship by bashing another.
And remember, going from disliking a fiction character to actually make rude comments about the actor/actress is one step too far.
I just really hate this fandom sometimes. Some of y'all really don’t know how to mind your own business. If it wasn’t for some fans then none of this would’ve happened. That doesn’t excuse what that Jordan guy said at all because he is also in the wrong here.
Some people in this fandom really cross the line with the girls’ private lives. Who they talk to, flirt with, date, have friendships with is none of our business. We do not have the right to harass a person just because one of the girls commented on their pictures and it could get in the way of your ship. Newsflash, Lauren and Camila are not and will not ever be in a romantic relationship, even if they are/will be, you still have no right to jump in to their business.
Lauren has said many times that she is uncomfortable with all of this yet some shippers still take it too far. She and Camila were very close and that got ruined by the tension that shippers caused. Yes, I am blaming shippers, but only the ones who literally harass the girls themselves, their families/friends, boyfriends, etc just to prove their ship is real or even worse assign the girls a sexuality. They are real people not fictional characters that you can play around with. They have feelings and real lives that you guys disrespect all of the time.
What that guy said was out of line, but it would have never even been said had people left that guy alone and left Camila out of it in the first place. He’s clearly a jerk and at least we all know that now, but Lauren is 18 years old and can make decisions for herself. If she wanted to date that guy (I don’t know how people jumped to that conclusion from an instagram comment but I digress) then no one had the right to jump in to that.
Also, can y'all stop assuming that Lauren doesn’t care about Camila. They might not be as close as they were publicly, but they both obviously still care for each other. Don’t use her giving that guy her number as an excuse to be mad at her. She sent that to him hours before he said what he said about Camila and he even said that he and Lauren aren’t talking. Also she does not have to publicly address this to prove that she cares or stood up for Camila. She can handle this privately if she so choses and you have no right to know anything about it.
Some of you guys seriously need to step away from the fandom for a little bit, clear your head and come back when your mind isn’t clouded with delusions. For the record I am not saying that all shippers are like this, but a big enough group of them are to cause this much drama over an instagram comment and an emoji.
I am glad I am not the only one who felt that way about the Time Out article. The current behaviour of certain individuals with the fan base is, quite frankly, disgusting and disrespectful. As it is, I have had my own vent today after reading that article with a rather long post on my own blog. Thank you for sharing your views.
Thank you so much sweetie. I share the same opinion and I am going to be really honest (I am sorry, but I need to), sometimes I regret belonging to fandoms, because some fans make me hate that fandom, the characters, the celebrities etc
Anyway, then I think there are still nice people into them and I forget about it but…
I love the fact that Mark and Wade’s channels have been growing but sometimes I have I hate what some of the community around the fandom has become. I’ve met some pretty poopy fans that always say I’m not a real fan since I don’t have fan art or buy their merchandise for support and stuff. (Sorry I have no talent in art and am a poor college student). I’ve been watching Mark’s video’s since he had under 15,000 and Wade’s back when the main one was Settlers of Catan, and I’ve never missed a livestream from either youtubers. I’m a huge fan of Bob’s as well and he doesn’t even have a channel!! I’v watched videos/series I wasn’t particularly a fan of just because I didn’t want to miss one second of the growth and experience. I missed the days when I met another fan I was excited instead of afraid to say much cause I don’t feel like my fan-hood being questioned. I miss the happy days.