There was some buzz about Christians calling for a boycott of Lego Batman as Gay Propaganda because of the jokes about Robin having two dads (Batman and Bruce Wayne) and Joker’s kismesissitude with Batman. It finally dawned on me the other day that this assessment of the movie was more accurate than I gave it credit for.
Villains are commonly hobbled together out of gay stereotypes, Lego Batman plays with this by having the Joker threaten to rupture Gotham in two – he is the impending threat of the Gays™, literally tearing the country apart. But at the climax of the movie, Gotham is not saved by Batman connecting with Barbara – the standard hetero romance, which is subtly mocked throughout the film. Instead, the joining of Batman and Joker pulls Gotham back together, in a moment that also affirms Batman overcoming the barriers to his loneliness.
So after the initial setup of the Gays™ tearing apart society, society is brought together by gay marriage.
(The message is somewhat muddled by the fact that Joker was responsible for splitting Gotham at the climax, but at that point Gotham was a proxy for his relationship with Batman. Destroying and splitting the city was a metaphor for eroding their relationship and their big breakup, which took place literally a few scenes earlier.)
Mom, I need some advice.... I come from a Christian family and they think that being gay is a sin directly from 'Satan' and that gay people go to hell, etc. And I've discovered for the second time (long story) that I'm a lesbian... I'm really close with my parents and I don't want to ruin that... and I don't know if I'm struggling with internalized homophobia or what (thanks to my lack of ability to understand my emotions) but how do I come to terms with the fact that I'm a lesbian? Thank you.
Well, um, it wasn’t until after I got a girlfriend til I became fully comfortable with being a lesbian. (And now I never shut up about it, it’s all I talk about.) My dad always said lesbians were disgusting and when I came out he made me pray and I already told yall my stories of being catholic so.
So um these might not be the most helpful
- watch shows with healthy wlw to help remind yourself that you aren’t “weird” or “gross”
- sapphic youtubers can help, too
- following sapphic or lesbian blogs so you can just casually see it and get used to it
- look in the mirror and tell yourself you’re a lesbian and that it’s okay
- WATCH BILL BYE SAVES THE WORLD EPISODE 9 BC IT TALKS GOOD ABOUT SEXUALITY AND GENDER AND BILL NYE IS THE SCIENCE DAD
- try to remind yourself that even if your family don’t, people will accept you. Partners and friends. (My grandma told me she was glad I didn’t try and unlesbian myself because not being myself is unhealthy.)
Girl I feel you on the whole Christian hypocrisy thing. We've been out of church for almost a year now. I just don't believe the same things they do. I could not stand anytime homosexualty was talked about as being abominable and all that shit. I was listening to a podcast that Lance Bass was a guest on and he was talking about some Christians believing it was ok to be gay but you should never act on it, like be celibate your whole life. What the fuck? That's jist messed up.
Yea I got into an enormous tiff with my religion teacher about the whole thing. She was basically like you’re right but I have to teach it 😑
so i see a lot of people saying that this clip painted islam in a bad light because they made it seem homophobic but i feel like it was the oppsoite? thats what it set out for you to think but then sana defends islam and says that it wasnt the quran that made even do that, it was his mental illness? idk what do you think?
Thats a great point! And for Sana to mention that Even attempted because he wasn’t well, not because of the religion itself, can also be tied to Mikael who had his own prejudices. Obviously not all Muslims are homophobic as Isak and Even are close friends of Sana’s! And her religion is so important to her. So we definitely cant blame the religion for the homophobia. It’s just like Christianity, how some people use the Bible to say being gay isn’t natural. But there are so many Christians who are nice and accepting of all people!
One of the biggest, and in my opinion most important, forms of representation in tfc is it’s portrayal of Christianity.
Now you’re probably like, “Why? Christianity is every where.”
My response would be, “No, it’s really not.”
Christianity is often portrayed to be a roadblock, something the surrounding characters believe but the Enlightened MC doesn’t. It’s often portrayed as a prejudiced religion with an angry God. A God who is mad at his children and wants to destroy the world or whatever. Fire and Brimstone. Christianity has gained a rep for being extremely bigoted, because the media no longer takes the time to differentiate between people using God as an excuse to be close minded or flat out hurt other people, and (What I call) true Christianity, That’s not what true Christianity is.
So yes, Christianity is everywhere. But it hasn’t been portrayed positively for a long time.
So it means so much to me that, not only do we have Christian characters who work to counteract those stereotypes, but Nora also take the time to differentiate between Christianity and Bigotry.
The first quote we have about it is in Ch. 6 of The Foxhole Court when Neil describes Renee:
“The Foxes’ senior goalkeeper had bright white hair cut to her chin. The bottom two inches of her hair were dyed in alternating pastel colors. It was interesting enough to warrant a second look, but downright odd when paired with her scant make-up, conservative clothes, and delicate silver cross necklace. Nicky had called her the sweetheart of the team. Neil understood why as he listened to her talk. He had no idea how she qualified for the Foxes’ halfway-house team.”
Which when I was first reading I was like “nice nice nice!”. So not only do we have a positive Christian character who is not an ass, we have subtle commentary on how people tend to view Christianity, through Neil calling her dyed hair “downright odd” when paired with her more natural looks, and wondering how she “qualified” for the team. I figured that would be the end of it.
I was wrong, and I’ve never been more happy to be in my life.
The big one for me was during the conversation with Nicky in the library:
“My parents are kind of crazy, you know? There’s religious and there’s super psychotic religious. Me and Renee, we’re the decent sort, I think. We go to different churches and have different ideas, but we respect each other anyway. We understand that religion is just an interpretation of faith. But my parents are the black-and-white crazy kind. It’s only right and wrong with them: hell-fire and damnation and judgment from on high.”
At which point I almost cried. This paragraph comes right after Nicky has been describing why he loves Eric, and how Eric makes him feel safe. And then he says that line:
“There’s religious and there’s super psychotic religious.”
One line. One line, and a stereotype destroyed. There is a huge difference between Christianity and Bigotry, and the media’s blurring of the two has led to toxic stereotypes that make Christianity seems like some awful demoralizing religion. You can be Christian and be gay. You can be Christian and not be a bigot who hates change. We are not the people who use our religion to hurt other people. At the base level, those who are of the bigoted religion are no better than the Islamic terrorists, hiding behind religion to justify there inhumane actions and making everyone else who practices the religion suffer for it.
Then it’s followed by NIcky saying, “Yeah we don’t exactly agree about every little detail, but we understand that religion is just an interpretation of faith.” There are thousands of sects of Christianity, because Christianity is about your individual relationship with God. There are thousands of religions because people choose to interpret the world differently. Just because you believe this bible verse should be interpreted this way, not that way, doesn’t mean you can’t get along. Because the core values of Christianity are the same, regardless of sect.
Which leads me to my next quote(also by NIcky):
“We cannot condone the sin,” Maria said.
“You don’t have to love the sin,“ Nicky said, "but you’re supposed to forgive and love the sinner. Isn’t that what faith is about?"
At which point I started shrieking. This is exactly what faith is about. Exactly. This is what Christianity is about. It is not your job as a Christian to tell people their sins, or tell them how to live their lives, or punish them somehow for sinning. That is the opposite. Christianity is about helping those who need help, not about saving those who you feel need to be saved. Leave the saving up to God. That’s his job. Your job is to help those who need it without preaching scripture at them. Only if they enter your church and say, “Hey, will you tell me about Jesus?” do you have any right to go throwing your belief at them. And even then you don’t go listing their sins. You tell them the message of the bible, that Jesus died for all our sins, and here’s how they can accept Jesus into their heart, if that’s what they choose to do. It’s not that complicated.
So in one sentence she effectively points out and comments on the difference between religious and Bigotry. She calls out the Bigots, literally, “If the first step isn’t tolerance, where does a pair of bigots begin in fixing a mess like this?”, but also provides a glimpse of (ill placed) reasoning when Luther responds, “Faith is following the Lord’s creed” circling back to the idea that religion is an interpretation of faith(which is a whole ‘nother post regarding that and bigoted Christianity).
(Also stfu Luther bc I’m pretty sure sending your son to a anti-gay camp and letting someone rape your nephew and creating a toxic and unsafe home for your children/nephews is pretty damn far from the “Lord’s creed” bye.)
Then she takes it one step further with Renee. Renee is a beautiful example of what Christianity is. She is kind and nice to everyone, she gives but doesn’t expect to take, she is sweet and polite, even to the Ravens, and she is a wonderful example of Christianity in practice. The core value of Christianity is basically, try to be a decent person. Renee is someone even other Christians can look to for inspiration.
Then there is her quote:
“I am a bad person trying very hard to be a good person.”
This is so important, because never once is Renee framed in the light of her religion. She’s just a bad person trying to be good. She’s not trying to repent or convert or condemn. She’s just trying to be a good person. Like we should all aspire to be. But that’s exactly what make her such an important character from a Christian perspective. The Bible doesn’t even really ask you to be a good or perfect person, only that you try. And that’s exactly what Renee is trying to do.
This quote is then followed by the first glimpse you get into Renee’s past:
“…”I’m not,” Renee said…”I know I should be, but that’s still something I’m working on. I know I was directly responsible for the circumstances that led to their murders, but to be honest I hated them. On top of that, without my mother’s death I never would have ended up here. With my mother dead and my biological father in the wind, the courts had no choice but to release me into foster care after my year at a juvenile facility,” Renee said. “I made life as difficult as I could for my foster families and jumped eight homes in two years. Stephanie Walker found out about me from one of my foster mothers at her high school reunion. She put in a request for me, pushed it until it was approved, and moved me to North Dakota as soon as it was finalized. She gave me a new name, a new faith, and a new chance at life.”
In many ways, Renee’s story is like the ultimate Christian story. She was lost, but now she is found. She is happy, safe, and healing. She has made peace with herself and her past, and she is trying to be a good person. And that’s what Christianity is all about.
Here’s a fucking issue. Some Christians think that it’s ok to “condemn” gays to hell but they can’t defend their arguments for shit when confronted with the fact that God wouldn’t have made gays if homosexuality itself were a sin. I pisses me off so much when out of nowhere, a homophobe decides to lolli trolli into someone’s day and start saying obscenities to them just because they attracted to people in a different way. God called y'all to fucking defend the Sacrament of Marriage, defend sex, and to LOVE ALL PEOPLE, not use his teachings to shit on someone who’s different. Gays can choose to live chastely regardless of their sexuality. You, on the other hand, are a Christian yet you still have managed to overlook all of the times that Jesus has taught you to treat people right.
I totally feel the same way as you do for that new american assassin movie
Right??? Like. Dylan is so pretty. Pretty Dangerous Boys are basically my fave.
But why the fuck do we need another film all about Ebil Brown People and the White Americans Who Must Save Us???
Like. There are so many WHITE terrorist groups. Why didn’t you pick neonazis as your Big Bad? That would have been fucking AWESOME. Or if you absolutely had to pick Daesh* or a fictional representation of them, how about giving us, you know, some Syrian guy who makes it his mission to take them down? That would have been epic!
Hells, you could have gone totally mad and done it queer; have the mc’s boyfriend/fiance gunned down at Pride by some fundamentalist Christian/far-right nutcases, and I hate the Kill Your Gays trope but it would have been so much cooler than this???
Does it fulfill the Kill Your Gays trope if your gay then turns around and murders everyone responsible for the trope, or does that make it a brilliant exception
Can you imagine a badass that fucking dangerous being queer in a blockbuster film, it would have been amazing.
(*I will never call those fuckers what they want to be called, that is the name of the Egyptian Queen of Heaven goddess of magic and you can fuck off)
So there was a Religious Christian Bitty post that I saw and it’s Sunday and I haven’t been to any church in two months, much less my regular church or the baptist church I attend when I’m with Dinah, but I have so many feelings and thoughts on this. And its just going to be a bullet list because I don’t have enough faith in my writing style to properly show all of this in Bitty’s point of view so yeah here you go.
Warning: use of slurs, talking about religious beliefs, specifically Methodist and Baptist, mention of conversion camps, and mentions of hell and damnation
They had a family church, a tiny one in the middle of town a few doors down from the grocery store and across the street from the diner that his Pawpaw would go to every morning for some coffee. It was simple and a little beat up, but their family has been going there for ages.
Dicky, as he was then, remembers it very clearly. He was baptized as a baby, would play in the nursery, and ran up and down the pews all the time. It was a place of his childhood. It was third home, after his Moomaw’s house.
And as a kid, it wasn’t that bad. Sure he would have to get dressed up in his best, because you have to dress up to go to church in the South, ESPECIALLY in a baptist church. But he would go to Sunday School with the other kids and have fun there and then would fall asleep curled up in Coach’s arms as they sat in the pews for the church service. Then they would go back home and make a giant breakfast for the entire Bittle clan to enjoy. Sundays were honestly the best days of his life.
As soon as he was old enough, he was forced to join the kids choir because EVERY kid has to be in the choir. It’s mandatory. You don’t get a choice until you get to junior high or high school, and even then its a toss up. Can’t sing? Just speak very softly and hum a little.
They would have little festivals for Easter and the fall festival and a Christmas celebration that the entire town went to. During Christmas, the church would specially order snow for the kids to roll around in because that was the only way to see it in Georgia. It amazed Bitty the first time his Mama let him play in it when he was about 4. That should have tipped everyone off that he was going to be a little different.
when he started ice skating, things got tense. Nothing was directed at him, because he was only a kid, but he had heard some of the older ladies telling his mom that ‘she shouldn’t be allowing this’ and that ‘she was going to let temptation into his life and introduce him to ungodly things’.
it would be a couple of years before he understood what ungodly things they were talking about. That would be one of many nights that he would cry himself to sleep over it.
The first time he was awake and heard a sermon on homosexuality was when he was 10. He knew about gay people and knew that they were going to hell(adults talk louder than they think) and he had been called a faggot once at school for ice skating, but it didn’t sink in until that sermon
This is getting really long so it’ll be under the cut
I don’t get why Christians say that God hates gays. Doesn’t God love everyone? And doesn’t God know what that person is going to be like, even before they are born? God gives you your personality and the way you think. So HE KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO BE GAY AND HE MADE THEM THAT WAY. And he still created them, and created them like that. And also, to the Christians who say gays are bad and that they hate gays; Isn’t God supposed to be the only one that judges? And if you hate gays, then you are hating some of God’s creations.
The bible has more of a problem with shrimp than gay people.
Yes it says marriage is between a man and a woman, or words to that effect, do you know who else it says marriage is between? A man and his ‘concubines’ or even better, a victim and her rapist.
Jesus blessed a Roman solider and his boyfriend.
The bible describes rejecting your own family as a sin.
God is infallible. That’s kinda the point. You know who is fallible? People.
God did not pick up a pen and write the bible.
Even better, the early Catholics destroyed the bible. They removed everything they didn’t like. The parts written by women, the parts written by Judas, the interesting parts about demons. They then 'rereleased’ this abridged version as the official version. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT SHOULD BE IN THE BIBLE.
The God I believe in does not create people a certain way only to condemn them for it.
So next time you hear some bigoted worm saying Christianity says being gay is a sin, PLEASE, know;
They are wrong.
They are twisting my religion.
They are wrong
Not all Christians believe that.
They are wrong.
It struck me today while I was studying( don’t ask me why )
That maybe DESTIEL isn’t canon because Cas is an angel and (some)Christians believe homosexuality is a sin and if Cas was(is) gay it would cause uproar. Also, since Chuck is back and he’s God, could they avoid him saying anything about dean and cas? And if he did, that would throw EVERYTHING IN THE AIR.
They say God doesn’t care if you’re gay and Christians go mad
They says God believes homosexuality is a sin and everyone ( who is in their right mind ) goes mad
As an atheist do you still feel like you have to respect people's religion and not speak foul about it or do you not follow that stance? I ask because a boy at my school all he does is disrespects people's religion and I get so mad because what's the point just let people believe in what they want. It's not affecting you. I'm just curious to know how you feel. Maybe I'm being too serious.
personally, i don’t think i need to respect a religion simply in virtue of it being a part of one’s belief system - all beliefs are open to criticism, whether they’re held sacred by others or not. if there’s bad to be said about a religion, i won’t hesitate to say it. furthermore, i don’t think it’s fair to say that one still needs to be respectful of a religion if it doesn’t respect them as a person, i.e. if its teachings are misogynistic, queerphobic, etc. - respect is a two-way street.
now, that’s very different from just saying “fuck christians” or “fuck muslims” - one can still be respectful of a person while criticizing their religion/beliefs. on the other hand, if a religious person gets offended by such criticisms (assuming they’re well-grounded, of course), then that’s their own problem. my point above about respect also applies here - if someone’s religious beliefs cause them to disrespect you in any way or view you as a person with lesser rights, then it’s not fair for them to require of you what they themselves don’t give.
and to address your last point: it’s very difficult to say “let people believe in what they want - it’s not affecting you” with something as significant and influential as religion. for example, christians are some of the biggest advocates against things like gay marriage/marriage equality and abortion. as a queer woman with the ability to get pregnant, that affects me immensely. in fact, if we take a look at the history books, it’s easy to see just how massive of an impact religion has had on the world: it’s started wars, shed blood, impeded scientific progress, marginalized huge groups of people, used as justification for objectively immoral acts…the list goes on and on. clearly, being critical about religion would serve us well.
"Let me throw some random Old Testament laws in your face to prove how dumb you are for opposing gay marriage"
This is really a pet peeve of mine. Yes, I believe that marriage is between a man and woman and yes, I’m very good friends with people who believe otherwise. We have often been able to have civil conversations regarding this. But I absolutely hate seeing people think that they’re going to shut down the entire discussion by bringing up some law in Leviticus. Most Christians who oppose gay marriage are looking to the discussion of homosexuality in the New Testament, not the Old Testament. St. Paul has plenty to say about it in the epistles, to say nothing of ancient church sacramental tradition. There are plenty of reasons that many Christians oppose gay marriage and for most of them it isn’t “hurr durr something something Leviticus” so you only show your own ignorance when you pull that out as your “gotcha” card. At least try to bring up relevant points if you want to discuss it.