she needs to be as strong as robb

Fit For A Queen

Drabble request from @aloharad 

Tyrion Lannister x Reader

6. “Come on, meet me halfway with this.”
22. “How do I look?”
27. “Did you just throw a grape at me?”

Warnings: A lil bit of Robb x reader, happy Stark feels

Words: 1302

“Tyrion, no.” you huffed out, crossing your arms across your chest.

“Y/N please, Joffrey needs you to be there” the small man pleaded, coming to sit at the chair next to your bed.

“Just because I’m married to the monster doesn’t mean that I want to be there for his coronation.” A sigh left your mouth as you flopped back on to your bed, pouting.

“That’s all well and good my dear but it would look very bad for him if his own wife was not there” Tyrion was begging you with his eyes and you flipped onto your stomach, grumbling into the mattress.

“What was that?” he asked, leaning closer to you. You turned your face to the side and grumbled once more.

“I said good. I did not ask for any of this Tyrion. I would’ve preferred the Roose Bolton’s bastard to Joffrey.” That much was true. At least Ramsay was attractive.

Come on, meet me halfway with this. If you go to the coronation, I’ll make sure you have time alone with your little Lord Stark at the feast” he smirked as your mouth hung agape. You stood from the bed and paced the room.

“H-how did you..?”

“It was obvious sweetheart, I know you’re in love with the boy. It’s a shame you two couldn’t be together, you would’ve made a beautiful family.”

“Right?!” you nearly screeched out, back to pouting once again at the thought that you’ll never get to be with your love.

“Okay fine, Tyrion. I’ll go with my wretched husband to his terribly idiotic coronation where he’s sure to make a total ass out of the entire family, which now includes myself as I sit back and look like the pretty, useless wife who is pretending like she wants to be there.”

“That’s my girl. Spoken like a true queen” he let out a hearty chuckle and left you to your devices so you could get ready for the ceremony that was later tonight.

You dressed in a long, lace gown. It was mostly red with complementing gold embroidery. It had a delicate sweetheart neckline and sheer lace sleeves. It had two corset-laced sides which were to be tied with shiny red ribbon. You had to admit, you looked like a queen with a braid on the crown of your head and curls framing your face. You were a Baratheon now and you had to look the part, the look was completed with a delicate crown of antlers with a ruby in the center that rested just in front of the braid on your head. You were looking at yourself in the mirror and smiling, Robb’s jaw was going to fall to the floor when he saw you. A faint knock at your door brought you from your daydream.

“Come in” you shouted over your shoulder as you tied the final knot on the corseted side of the dress. You turned around to see your friend and now brother by law, Tyrion.

“So, how do I look?

“By the gods, my queen. You look ravishing.” He dropped to one knee and you giggled.

“I’m no queen yet, Tyrion.”

“Yes but that will change in a few hours my dear Y/N” his eyes sparkled as he looked you over, smiling from ear to ear. It was just now hitting you that in a few short hours, when Joffrey was crowned King, you would be crowned Queen Y/N Baratheon, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms. Saying that you weren’t excited and happy would be a lie, but damn did you have to be married to quite possibly the worst King to ever sit on the Iron Throne. He was going to be worse than Aerys, The Mad King, you could almost be one hundred percent sure of that.

–One dreadful coronation ceremony later–

Thankfully, everything went smoothly and as planned and everyone was practically bowing at your feet now. Calling you things like ‘your grace’ and ‘my queen’, it was quite empowering. However, at the feast you couldn’t help but think back on Tyrion’s promise to get you time with Robb Stark and just when you began to get antsy, Tyrion pulled you aside and announced, loud enough for Joffrey to hear, that the Starks wanted to personally congratulate and honor their queen. Your husband nodded to you, silently saying that it was okay for you to go. With that, you headed off to the table where the Starks were all sat, eating and drinking and laughing away the night.

You stopped short of the table to take in the sight. Now that, that was a family. All happy and together and strong. It was nothing like the broken, sorry excuse for a family that you came from and definitely was nothing like the brooding, slightly insane family that you had been married into. Ned had his arm slung around Catelyn’s shoulders and a cup of wine in his other hand and his head was thrown back in a hearty laugh, while Catelyn blushed and put her face into his neck. Robb was laughing and smacked Jon lightly on the shoulder while Bran and Aria played with their silverware and Sansa made silly faces at Rickon just so she could hear his little giggle.

You stepped forward slightly and said hello, and immediately they all straightened up, with the patriarch lightly kissing your knuckles and bowing his head.

“Your grace” he smiled up at you.

“My queen you look incredibly beautiful tonight” Catelyn smiled and took your hand. To her shock, you pulled her in for a hug and whispered into her ear.

“Thank you Lady Stark, but there’s no need to be so formal. I miss you all so much” A sad smile stretched across your face as she placed her hand on your shoulder and squeezed.

“You will make an excellent queen, Y/N. You’re so strong, so well liked. People will have no questions about following you.”

You couldn’t help but smile at her kind words and then your eyes wandered over to Robb, who’s jaw was just about hitting the floor and his eyes were bugged wide. Jon looked from you to his brother and couldn’t help but laugh as he lightly put his hands under Robb’s jaw and pushed upward, successfully closing his mouth. A blush stained the elder boy’s face as he realized that he was staring.

“Hi Robb” you blushed, looking at the floor.

“My queen” he said, quickly standing and taking your hands in his. Gods he had beautiful eyes.

“No need for the queen talk, Robb. I’m still just Y/N.”

“You were never just Y/N…” he sighs out, leaning in close to your face. As you looked into his forest green eyes, getting lost in the orbs that seemed to capture souls, and just as you were leaning too close to his lips…something bounced off the side of your cheek. Your head snapped to see Aria and Bran giggling so hard they were nearly falling off of the bench onto the floor.

You bent down to pick up the item that hit you, a little round, red grape.

Did you just throw a grape at me?” you couldn’t help but laugh as the rest of the family had their eyes wide with shock and a twinge of fear because their children just threw a grape at the new queen. The Kingsguard was not going to like this one. Except you weren’t like any other queen the Seven Kingdoms has seen and you immediately hurled the grape back at the little girl, bouncing it off her forehead.

All of you burst into a fit of laughter and you spent the rest of the night joking and laughing with the people you couldn’t help but wish they were your family.

anonymous asked:

I was thinking about D&D knowing endgame while writing S2. Makes me think of the book vs. show changes during the Battle of Blackwater. Show!Sansa spent more time with Cersei and the scared women. Sansa, acting more a good queen than Cersei, tried to comfort the scared women. I feel strongly there will be a mirror to this for Sansa in S7 or S8 during the battle against the WW. Sansa, again, coming off better fitting the role of a good, strong queen, maybe even contrasted to another queen again

Thanks for the question.

The short answer is yes, I agree with you that the Battle of Blackwater was a foreshadowing of events that will happen during the great war.

But, if you’ll just bear with me a little while longer, I also have a long answer. 

Ok, let’s start 😉

Sansa is an integral part of her family and her role will be crucial as much as Jon, Bran and Arya.

She will be the one to protect Winterfell during the Great War.

GRRM showed us what can happen if no one is left to guard their home during a war, so the Starks won’t make the same mistake again.

I’m talking about Robb losing Winterfell during the Five Kings War: Robb left the castle to Bran, who was not a bad Lord of Winterfell just too young to defend the castle. True Bran was not alone, but even with some help both in the books and in the show taking Winterfell for Theon was a piece of cake when Bran was in charge.

If there’s a lesson to be learned from what happened to Robb is that a castle without someone strong enough to take the responsibility to defend the castle walls can be easily conquered by ill-intentioned.

And in wartime, while men fight away from home, day after day there are more and more ill-intentioned around.

Sansa now has power enough to be that person.

And she will not only have to protect Winterfell from external threats if needed she will also have to keep their people alive.

Jon will fight the NK and I think Bran will fight too, somehow ( I have no idea and I’m so curious what will be Arya’s role) but not everyone will go to the War.

Women, children and old people will stay home and they will need someone to protect, help and comfort them because like Lord Cerwyn said:

Winter has come.

If the maesters are right, it’ll be the coldest one in a thousand years.

If Winterfell won’t be ready to face the winter people will die and at the end of the war there will be no one left at home.

So, like you said, Sansa will need to be the good and strong ruler that will keep everyone together and alive at home.

I also want to add that not only the Battle of Blackwater foreshadow that Sansa will be a good queen in the time of need, she is so connected to Winterfell ( she is the key to the North, she built a snow castle of Winterfell in the Vale, she was willing to fight or die trying to take back the castle from Ramsey ) that imo she will continue to be the Queen in the North ( she already is in a way, not officially but de facto).

Now about this:

maybe even contrasted to another queen again   

tbh I think there is already a contrast with another queen.

Not in the show yet, but fans already see it.

If you look around you’ll easily find Sansa haters who will tell you she is no Queen and these same people will tell you that Danielle will rule the 7K.

Personally I think this contrast will soon be in the show too.

Because what I think Sansa wants is a free North and her family safe, but with Danielle set to conquer the 7K, her misguided belief that she has a right to impose summary justice and considering how much she loves barbecue I can’t foresee a friendship between these 2 queens.

Maybe they will form an alliance in the beginning for the greater good ( Jon will go to DS after all and I’m sure he will go as representative of the North and as possible ally), but it won’t last if Danielle will keep her attitude to take what she thinks is hers with fire and blood.

anonymous asked:

Jon is born with silver hair and purple eyes and Sansa is the one to take after her Aunt Lyanna.

To be honest, it took me a while to figure out how this would be different from any other “Jon is raised somewhere other than Winterfell” AU, but then I realized how much Sansa have the Stark looks might impact her time in King’s Landing. Also ended up exploring a little of Sansa and Arya’s relationship if they’d stayed together.

This just keeps growing and growing, so there will definitely be a part 2.

Trigger warnings: physical assault via Joffrey and Robert Baratheon lusting after girls young enough to be his daughter.

Echoes of Yesterday

Though it meant an end to her naiveté, to having her idealistic dreams crash down around her, Sansa didn’t long trust in her princely betrothed and his mother, the Queen. After King Robert began lavishing her with uncomfortable amounts of attention and waxing poetic about her resemblance to her Aunt Lyanna, his wife’s veneer of gracious courtesy proved itself a flimsy thing. The queen made little effort to hide her scorn, and soon enough, the ladies of court and the crown prince followed suit. Though Joffrey didn’t yet make his penchant of cruelty clear, he seemed to delight in every sneer and discourtesy. It was Cersei’s snide remarks that made her realize it was desire and not just nostalgia that motivated the king  to look at her the way he did, to lean too close and compare her too often to a woman dead before Sansa’s birth.

It wasn’t long after the Hand’s Tourney that everything came to a head, an evening when Robert leaned just a little too close, wine heavy on his breath as he said yet again invoked her aunt’s name, “You’re so much like her, girl. Like sweet Lyanna was born again.”

That was the moment when everyone’s masks began to fully crack, when there was a flash of pure hate and disgust across Cersei’s haughty features, where there was an anger like she had never seen in her father’s face, as he hastily excused them and had Jory escort her to bed.

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robb-stark  asked:


Why I like them - She’s so strong in both spirit and physicality. She really cares about other people and has a huge heart.
Why I don’t - She’s intent on revenge sometimes, but I totally get it. She’s entitled to her anger. 
Favorite episode (scene if movie) - The Painted Lady is a great Katara episode, but I think The Northern Watertribe is my favorite in terms of her development. 
Favorite season - Season 3
Favorite line - “I will never, ever turn my back on people who need me!”
Favorite outfit - I love her water tribe outfit and fire nation one as well, but I think the earth nation robes at the end are my favorite on her.
OTP - Aang/Katara
Brotp - Katara/Sokka
Head Canon - don’t know that I have one for Katara
Unpopular opinion - Zuko/Katara is one of the worst ships ever.
A wish - For her to have a happy afterlife with Aang.
An oh-god-please-dont-ever-happen - her children to pass away before she does
5 words to best describe them - Courageous, strong-willed, passionate, caring, determined

More Stark/Martell comparisons

“This is what I have to do. For Dorne. For my father. For Cletus and Will and Maester Kedry.”

“They’re dead,” said Gerris. “They won’t care.”

“All dead,” Quentyn agreed. “For what? To bring me here, so I might wed the dragon queen. A grand adventure, Cletus called it. Demon roads and stormy seas, and at the end of it the most beautiful woman in the world. A tale to tell our grandchildren. But Cletus will never father a child, unless he left a bastard in the belly of that tavern wench he liked. Will will never have his wedding. Their deaths should have some meaning.”

A Dance With Dragons, The Spurned Suitor

“Peace,” said her uncle Brynden. “Peace is sweet, my lady … but on what terms? It is no good hammering your sword into a plowshare if you must forge it again on the morrow.”

“What did Torrhen and my Eddard die for, if I am to return to Karhold with nothing but their bones?” asked Rickard Karstark.

“Aye,” said Lord Bracken. “Gregor Clegane laid waste to my fields, slaughtered my smallfolk, and left Stone Hedge a smoking ruin. Am I now to bend the knee to the ones who sent him? What have we fought for, if we are to put all back as it was before?”

A Game of Thrones, Catelyn XI

“Are you hungry, my prince?”

“I have hungered for a long time. Though not for food. Pray tell me, when will the justice be served?”

A Storm of Swords, Tyrion V

The yellow skull was melting too, and the kindliest old man that she had ever seen was smiling down at her. “No one has ever tried to eat my worm before,” he said. “Are you hungry, child?”

Yes, she thought, but not for food.

A Feast for Crows, Arya I

Of course we have Ellaria and Catelyn’s famous monologues, but I also like the comparison of Catelyn and Doran, both who have a strong desire for justice to be served, but their need for vengeance is tempered by their duty to those they feel responsible for. For Catelyn, she does seem concerned with all the deaths war would cause,

“Robb, if that sword could bring him back, I should never let you sheathe it until Ned stood at my side once more … but he is gone, and a hundred Whispering Woods will not change that. Ned is gone, and Daryn Hornwood, and Lord Karstark’s valiant sons, and many other good men besides, and none of them will return to us. Must we have more deaths still?”

A Game of Thrones, Catelyn XI

but her family’s livelihood takes far greater precedence to her than the potential innocent lives lost in a conflict. Her chapters are full of these two conflicting desires: to take vengeance (killing Jaime, for example), or protect the lives of her children. And she chooses her love for and duty to her children every time…until she no longer has children.

“If I could wish the Kingslayer back in chains I would. You freed him without my knowledge or consent … but what you did, I know you did for love. For Arya and Sansa, and out of grief for Bran and Rickon. Love’s not always wise, I’ve learned. It can lead us to great folly, but we follow our hearts … wherever they take us. Don’t we, Mother?" 

A Storm of Swords, Catelyn II

"She wants her son alive, or the men who killed him dead,” said the big man. “She wants to feed the crows, like they did at the Red Wedding. Freys and Boltons, aye.

A Feast for Crows, Brienne VIII

Doran is very similar to Catelyn in this: grief fueling his vengeance, and the only thing that stays his hand is the innocent lives he is responsible for: not just his own children, but all the people of Dorne.

As the children splashed in the pools, Daenerys watched from amongst the orange trees, and a realization came to her. She could not tell the highborn from the low. Naked, they were only children. All innocent, all vulnerable, all deserving of long life, love, protection. ‘There is your realm,’ she told her son and heir, 'remember them, in everything you do.’ My own mother said those same words to me when I was old enough to leave the pools. It is an easy thing for a prince to call the spears, but in the end the children pay the price. For their sake, the wise prince will wage no war without good cause, nor any war he cannot hope to win.

A Dance with Dragons, The Watcher

The biggest difference between the two is that Catelyn commits to vengeance when she thinks she has no more children, and therefore nothing to temper her and nothing to lose, while Doran commits to his vengeance when he thinks his irreconcilable desires are now reconcilable: that he can have his vengeance with minimal bloodshed thanks to Daenerys and her dragons. 

The board is set going into TWOW, and Doran has a lot to lose. Will he react to Quentyn’s death like Catelyn would, and hold his other children closer, or will he react as Robb, to fight not just for justice, but to give Quentyn’s death meaning? 

On My Honour as a Tully, On My Honour as a Stark

Catelyn always greatly identifies with her own family and her own House’s words. She constantly refers to herself as a Tully and the words Family Duty Honour are all but engraved on her heart. She is very much Catelyn Tully, but, and this is a significant but, she is also very much Catelyn Stark.

Some people take issue with her always being referred to as Catelyn Stark, being identified by her married name, while people like Cersei are still called Lannister despite being a Baratheon by marriage. But it’s not a case of identifying Catelyn by her marriage, it’s identifying the fact that she loves her family, loves being a part of it; Catelyn is no longer just a Tully, and throughout the books, it’s something she herself realises. That even though she is not a Northerner by blood, she has Stark in her regardless. You could say carrying five Stark children (and possibly more) left it’s mark, but it’s much more than that.

While Catelyn values family, duty and honour, these three things seem to be very important to the Starks as well. They are known for being a very honourable family, Ned did his duty as she did hers, and they are extremely close, far closer than any other family in Westeros I would say, and much more affectionate. So, for one, the Tully ideals fit neatly into the Stark lifestyles. But as we’ve seen from her brother Edmure and her sister Lysa, Catelyn is the most grounded of her siblings, and the most steadfast. Lysa is prone to fits of madness, whilst Catelyn, even when her family is falling down around her, continues to fight. Edmure has such good intentions and care for his people and sometimes makes bad tactical decisions because of this whereas Catelyn, whilst she makes mistakes as well, is a better strategist, which even her Uncle Brynden remarks upon. When she says ‘a woman rule as well as a man’ Brynden replies 'Make no mistake, Lysa is not you, Catelyn’ implying he believes her capable of rule. This could all be said to make her a good match for the Starks, and was probably part of the reason why she and Ned’s marriage developed so well.

But, from things Edmure says, and from what Lysa has said to Sansa, we know that Catelyn was not always so austere. Lysa openly says she was more prone to fun, but that she adopted Ned’s attitudes and behaviour quickly. She essentially, for all intents and purposes, goes native. The Starks are honest, honourable, loving duty-fulfilling, respectable, and kind family. All things Catelyn values and shares herself. Her love for Ned, increases her love for the North, for she often thinks to herself how Ned seems to be a part of the North, and so how can she love him and not the land.

When she speaks to Cersei of thinking the place grim, she speaks in the past tense; these are no longer her thoughts of Winterfell. She sees the warmth and heart instead. While she loves Riverrun, Winterfell is home, and if not for the tragedy that followed she would have lived in Winterfell far longer than she ever lived in Riverrun. Her children also grew up there, so she has attachments because of that.

While Cersei Lannister remains Cersei Lannister because in no way shape or form does she adopt Baratheon ways (she wears Lannister colours, speaks the Lannister words and never the Baratheon ones, even her children are Lannisters) Catelyn has become intrinsic with the Starks. She wears the Stark colours, she is fully at home petting direwolves like they’re little puppies, and even the Stark words begin to fall off her tongue often once Ned is killed.

So many people see her as a wolf rather than a fish, even Tyrion thinks of her as 'this little she-wolf’. And through the war, because of being at Robb’s side, of needing to carry on, she actively becomes more Stark, she chooses to be 'You must be a Stark for true now’. It is not a sacrifice for her, she’s always been part Stark, but she makes it her predominant side when she has to be strong. They say 'you Starks are hard to kill’ and this is undoubtedly true. Everyone believes Sansa to be the only still alive, when in truth Robb and Ned are the only ones dead (and interestingly, the only ones decapitated) and even Catelyn is upholding to the saying, as despite having her throat cut, and the red priest saying that she shouldn’t have been able to waken after being three days dead, she rose, and for all intents and purposes, comes back to life.

Catelyn may be a Tully by a blood, but she is a Stark by nature. And it is this constant internal debate for her; she can’t help but feel a foreigner now wherever she goes. In the South, she feels a Northerner, in the North, a Southerner. Surrounded by Starks, she thinks of her Tully roots, but when surrounded by Tullys, she behaves more as Stark. The fact at the Red Wedding she says “on my honour as Tully, on my honour as Stark” shows how much she feels both are part of her. She doesn’t just swear upon one family’s name, but both. In her last truly living moments she names herself as Stark as well as a Tully, in some strange, bittersweet way, finally being at peace that she is both and not one or the other. 

anyways I appreciate Osha so much she is honestly one of my favorite minor characters and such a good example of how deep Stark loyalty runs. Osha was a wildling who tried to kill Bran, but once she was shown mercy by Robb she became Bran’s fiercest protector. She took him and his brother out of Winterfell when Theon captured it, she was a constant reassuring and grounding figure to both boys, she saw to their needs above her own, she took care of their beloved maester in his final moments. Then when the time came that it was clear that their paths must split, Osha left Bran with people she trusted and took Rickon to Skagos, and what she hoped would be a safe place.

She is patient and strong and so fiercely loyal to these two boys, she would do and has done anything to take care of them, and I’m just so emotional about it. 

Game of Thrones Theory

Spoilers for Season 5 Episode 10: Mother’s Mercy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Still here? 


Ok, the character of Melisandre has always really bothered me. I’m a staunch atheist, and I’m not exactly a fan of the divine intervention and fanatical religious tactics that the Red Priestess regularly employs. That said, she’s arguably the most successful character on the show, aside from perhaps Littlefinger. 

She started a slave. By embracing the Lord of Light, she improved her lot and managed to gain a tremendous amount of power and influence over a powerful and influential man, Stannis. In a society that oppresses women in a million different ways, that’s pretty damn impressive. 

Religion is a big part of the world of Game of Thrones. Most of the characters have some sort of religion. In 95% of cases, the characters pray to their respective gods, the Old and the New, and shit still happens. That’s part of the joy of being on a TV show based on a book series written by George R R Martin. It reflects normal life– people believe or don’t believe, pray or don’t pray, and both good and bad things happen. 

Sansa prays to the Old Gods, and half of her family still ends up dead. The High Sparrow holds an even more powerful position than Melisandre; he has the authority to bring down members of the royal family. Yet, for all his prayers for the common people, are they any better off? Most of those seen mocking Cersei during her Walk of Atonement looked rather worse for wear. 

However, Melisandre’s prayers don’t seem to go unanswered. Her visions come to pass; she said that he would betray himself and his family back in Season 2. By using Gendry’s blood, she managed to kill Stannis’ two greatest threats: Joffrey and Robb Stark. She even killed Renly with a fucking shadow assassin, to which she had given birth. 

Only once before has she notably failed: the Battle of Blackwater. Davos convinced Stannis to leave her behind, but should that have mattered? She killed Renly at a distance. She performed the magic that killed Robb Stark and Joffrey from afar. Shouldn’t the Lord of Light be able to hear her anywhere? 

And now, once more, she has failed during a battle. And this time, there’s no retreat to fight another day– Stannis is dead. The army is decimated. She can’t even attempt to seize control of the remnants. And there’s one major, blaring difference between this instance and the Battle of Blackwater: 

Melisandre was there, at first, until things went downhill. She sacrificed Shireen, Stannis’ own daughter, king’s blood. The first time, she had predictions, but no blood magic. We’ve already established that the distance conditionality has to be complete bullshit. Her magic (or her God’s magic) can work at a distance. 

Here’s my theory: Regardless of the validity of Melisandre’s faith and god, she has strong magical abilities. She used Stannis to gain power and further her own goals, but she never thought he was the Prince That Was Promised. 

She sincerely seems to serve the Lord of Light. If she wants to precipitate the coming of the Lord’s Chosen, she needs to get challengers out of the way. Stannis provided a method by which to do so: in his bid for the Iron Throne, he would need to take out contenders like Renly and Robb Stark, who were in the way. 

Renly and Robb were lesser threats. Renly didn’t have proper military experience to be a serious threat to the Throne, and Robb had no ambitions beyond the North. By clearing them out, Melisandre wasn’t actually putting Stannis in a position where he would actually have to rule.  Same goes for Joffrey– she managed to weaken the Lannister’s power by tearing apart the family. Tyrion, the true Lannister mastermind, was either to die or disappear; better yet, he did disappear and took out Tywin in doing so. A weak child was put on the throne in Joffrey’s place. And now, the Lannisters are a mess. When the true Lord’s Chosen comes along, he/she can simply topple the Lannisters with a single breath. 

Melisandre couldn’t risk Stannis actually succeeding in his bid for the Throne. That’s why she didn’t win him Blackwater. And that’s why she allowed for his army to fail against the Boltons, and for him to lose his life.

R’Hllor is supposed to be a god of life and light. In history and mythology, many gods are bloodthirsty, but many seem to frown upon the sacrifice of children, especially one’s own. The example recently brought up in regard to the sacrifice of Shireen is Agamemnon’s sacrifice of Iphigenia. Despite his sacrifice, Agamemnon met a fateful end. Tantalus was punished for eternity for sacrificing his own children to feed to Zeus. Stannis didn’t have good precedents.

Melisandre is a zealot, but hardly stupid or shortsighted in the least. She ought to have known that the sacrifice of Shireen would lose Stannis the support of half of his men (the unconverted ones). She could have foreseen it pushing Selyse over the edge. And maybe she even imagined it would anger the Lord of Light, so Stannis wouldn’t have his blessing in battle. Perhaps it was even an extreme version of the “Abraham and Isaac” scenario– only The Lord of Light (or at least Melisandre) was testing decency, not obedience or devotion. By agreeing to sacrifice his beloved daughter and only heir, Stannis proved he was not the true Prince That Was Promised, or even a worthy king. 

So who is the Prince That Was Promised? I have a couple of theories.

1. Daenerys Targaryen. She has all the fancy toys necessary to defeating the White Walkers. She has the bloodline and her heart is in the right place. But I can’t see Melisandre misleading Stannis for Daenerys, a woman she’s never met (as far as we know) or even mentioned. 

2. Jon Snow. She saw something in him when she met him. Every fan suspects that Jon Snow isn’t your run-of-the-mill bastard. He’s killed a White Walker, and he seemed to be the Night Watch’s best chance in winning that war. Would she lie and kill for Jon? If she were convinced he was worth it, yes, I think she would.

And now he’s dead. 

Yeah, right.

Melisandre abandoned Stannis and went straight to the Wall. She could have gone anywhere. At first blush, the decision to flee seems to indicate a desire for security. And the Wall is hardly more secure. If she wanted to be safe, she should have headed South.

Her predictions are pretty accurate. She may have foreseen his death. It’s not much of a stretch. And we know that Red Priests are capable of resurrecting the dead. Thoros of Myr did it. 


Maybe Jon Snow’s death is a necessary phase in his process of rebirth, so he can be unbound by his vows when he rises. If Jon is actually a secret Targaryen, recall the House’s words: “Fire and Blood.” George R R Martin said that Daenerys’ stunt at the end of Season 1 was a one-time, magical event made possible by blood magic and fire. 

If Melisandre feared for Jon’s life, the life of the true Prince That Was Promised, maybe she would have required a rather significant sacrifice to save him. 

Shireen provided the fire.

Jon provided the blood. 

It’s also possible that the Night’s Watch ends up burning his body. They don’t want him reanimating, of course. The prophecy also says that the Lord’s Chosen is born amidst “salt and smoke.” Burning the body would provide smoke. Not sure about the salt. Tears? Melisandre’s tears?

By blood and fire, Jon Snow will rise again as the Prince That Was Promised.

TL;DR: Melisandre never thought Stannis was the Prince That Was Promised; Jon is and she is acting in his interest. She made Stannis lose the Battle of Blackwater and Battle of Winterfell on purpose, to keep him from his goal of the throne, which she wants open for Jon. She will resurrect him by blood magic and fire, which will prove his Targaryen lineage. 

im so over arya being associated with just catelyn when she has really strong ties to BOTH her parents. and arya got something a lot more important than personality traits from ned. she recalls his lessons like “the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword” (in ACOK). and she, unflinchingly, took on this responsibility on when she killed dareon. she even remembers lessons that were meant for the future lord of winterfell like

Her father used to say that a lord has needed to eat with his men if he hoped to keep them. “Know the men who follow you,” she heard him tell Robb once. “And let them know you. Don’t ask your men to die for a stranger.” (AGOT)

arya’s known to the smallfolk of winterfell as arya underfoot because she spends so much time and is friends with them. she even associates needle with ‘the laughter of [winterfell’s] people’ and old nan along with her own family and winterfell itself. theres ned’s lone wolf speech too ofc. arya’s the only one who heard this and it’s her driving force. she places a high value on justice, family, and winterfell’s people just like ned did.

arya and cat have a lot of similarities too. but i think it’s more in terms of their actual storylines than anything else. (like ok you and your ulterior motives could make an argument for personalities but i dont think grrm actually sees it that way. he wants his characters to be individuals not copies) they tend to circle around each other though. and i do think they’ll intersect before this is all over.

still arya’s her own character. she’s special and unique and has a mixture of personality traits from a variety of sources. just like everyone else. but ned’s voice is literally guiding her (YOU TOLD ME YOU COULD BE STRONG) and when she dreams its often of saving her mother.

Now that Jon is back, I hope things get better for the Stark family.
I want him to avenge Ned’s death,to remind all those who humiliated and backstabbed him, all those who called him a traitor, that THE NORTH REMEMBERS.
I want him to make them cry tears of blood , those who tortured his sweet Sister Sansa, to make every tear of hers count.
I want them to slaughter those who betrayed his beloved brother Robb, The King in the North.
I want him to slit the throats of those who gave Catelyn that horrible, painful death.
I want Arya to come back to westeros,to The North where she belongs and I want Jon to hug her tight and tell her that everything will be alright, that she will be alright, that she doesn’t need to be no one, she doesn’t need to be anyone, beacause she is Arya Stark.
I want him to find Bran and Rickon and tell Bran how brave he is, how strong and how proud their Lord father would be of him
I Want Rickon to meet his elder siblings, the sweet child needs his family. He needs Jon , Sansa, Arya and Bran to tell him how much he was missed and how much he is loved.
I want Jon to avenge Ygritte, his beloved Ygritte. I want him to tear apart all those who have wronged his family. They shall suffer. They shall pay. Because THE NORTH REMEMBERS.

southagermican  asked:

Yes yes yes on your thoughts about Littlefinger. I have a doubt, though. You say he brainwashed her into considering his kissing and other sick stuff to be normal. Is that really so, or is she just complying to avoid getting in trouble, in the same way that she recited "my brother is a traitor" in King's Landing? She seems to trust him partially at moments (as Petyr), but she saw Littlefinger murder in cold blood (and get away with it) and she knows she has nobody else and nowhere to go.

Maybe “brain-washed” was a little exagerated, but not too much.

It’s definitively a combination of both. Sansa protects herself with her courtesies and that includes giving people what they want. She can’t really fight back ; it would be pointless, because she doesn’t have the martial abilities and her situation doesn’t allow her that (a little girl against all the Kingsguard, gold cloaks and basically all who can fight. Yeah, odds are great). So the only choice she has left is obey. Give people what they want, because in this case they don’t have anything to blame on you right ?

So Sansa gives Littlefinger what he wants to hear because even if she is supposely safe (lol no), there is still a risk. Like I said, she is entirely at his mercy.

« … and sometimes it seemed to her that the Lord Protector was two people as well. He was Petyr, her protector, warm and funny and gentle… but he was also Littlefinger, the lord she’d known at King’s Landing, smiling slyly and stroking his beard as he whispered in Queen Cersei’s ear. And Littlefinger was no friend of hers. » Sansa, AFFC

For now he is showing the gentle side of the mask, Petyr, her friend and protector (from her point of view) ; but she also knows that Littlefinger lurks beneath. Littlefinger who still works for the Queen. Littlefinger who could give her to Cersei in a heartbeat. He knows the truth and could use it.

So Sansa stays weary of him, because he is still a threat. She may seem to be free but in truth she is as chained and alone as she was in King’s Landing. Nobody will stand up against Littlefinger.

« He sounded almost like Marillion, the night he’d gotten so drunk at the wedding. Only this time Lothor Brune would not appear to save her ; Ser Lothor was Petyr’s man. » Sansa, ASOS

So, like with Joffrey, Sansa has no other choice than obey and give him what he wants. It’s her only way to protect herself.

But where it differs from King’s Landing, is a question of identity. This whole point of Alayne is a question of identity. In King’s Landing Sansa never doubted to be a Stark. Well, she couldn’t forget it because everybody basically saw her as the key to the North and nothing else.

« Tyrell or Lannister, it makes not matter, it’s not me they want, only my claim. » Sansa, ASOS

« The thought made Sansa weary. All she knew of Robert Arryn was that he was a little boy, and sickly. It is not me [Lysa] wants her son to marry, it is my claim. No one will ever marry me for love. » Sansa, ASOS

But also I don’t recall a time she explicitely stated she didn’t want to be a Stark, despite them being labelled as traitors. She always took strength in the thought of her family.

« I must be brave, like Robb, she told herself. » Sansa, ACOK

« Gods give me courage. She took one step, then another. Lords and knights stepped aside silently to let her pass, and she felt the weight of their eyes on her. I must be as strong as my lady mother. » Sansa, AGOT

« She wondered where this courage had come from, to speak to him so frankly. From Winterfell, she thought. I am stronger withing the walls of Winterfell. » Sansa, ASOS

But in AFFC, she must need to conceal her identity because Sansa Stark is searched for kingslaying. Except that she doesn’t only conceal it, she also slowly “erase” it to become Alayne. It’s interesting to note, in the three chapters she has in this book, the differences between the first and the last :

« Once when she was just a little girl, a wandering singer had stayed with them at Winterfell for half a year. An old man he was, with white hair and windburnt cheeks, but he sang of knights and quests and ladies fair, and Sansa had cried bitter tears when he left them, and begged her father not to let him go. “The man has played us every song he knows thrice over,” Lord Eddard told her gently. “I cannot keep him here against his will. You need not weep, though. I promise you, other singers will come.” » Sansa, AFFC

« I am not your daughter, she thought. I am Sansa Stark, Lord Eddard’s daughter and Lady Catelyn’s, the blood of Winterfell. She did not say it, though. » Sansa, AFFC

The very first thing she says in her first chapter is a memory of Winterfell. At this time Sansa still clings strongly to her identity. Now in her last chapter :

« Ser Loras had given Sansa Stark a red rose once, but he had never kissed her… and no Tyrell would ever kiss Alayne Stone. (…) It made no matter. That day [the one with the UnKiss] was done, and so was Sansa. »

« Alayne had told the lie so many times that she remembered it more oft than not ; the other seemed no more than a bad dream that sometimes troubled her sleep. »

« Colemon only wanted the best for his charge, Alayne knew, but what was best for Robert the boy and what was best for Lord Arryn were not always the same. Petyr had said as much, and it was true. Maester Colemon cares only for the boy, though. Father and I have larger concern. » Alayne, AFFC

First there is of course the fact she is called “Alayne” and not “Sansa”. But she also tries to distance herself from “Sansa”, talking about herself like it was another person. She tries very hard to forget about her old self, because like she said :

« Petyr’s friends at court had sent him word that the queen had men out looking for the Imp and Sansa Stark. It will mean my head if I am found, she reminded herself as she descended a flight of icy stone steps. I must be Alayne all the time, inside and out. »

She tries to literally be another person. And where it worries me it’s she could succeed. Sansa has this tendency to deal with painful events by erasing facts and re-writing the story in her head (see here with the story of Lady’s death) ; she knows how to convince herself of something she made up.

(Of course it won’t happen. Sansa will stay Sansa. But still.)

So. Where Littlefinger has a hand, it’s he encourages very much these kind of thoughts. He tells her how to behave, how to dress, how to speak,… so she would truly be his “daughter”.

« Petyr put a finger to her lips to silence her. “The dwarf wed Ned Stark’s daughter, not mine. (…)” »

« He smiled. “I know Lord Nestor, sweetling. Do you imagine I’d ever let him harm my daughter ?” »

« ”(…) And at Winterfell, Sansa was a little girl with auburn hair. My daughter is a maiden tall and fair, and her hair is chesnut. Men see what they expect to see, Alayne.” He kissed her nose. » Alayne, AFFC

Littlefinger tries to convince her she is his daughter (so she must be as dutiful) but he also covets on her claim and the idealized image of Catelyn she represents. He slowly manipulates her so she would think she owes him everything, so he’ll get the North and a version of the girl he couldn’t have. Infortunately it’s working.

So yes, it’s a combination of both her mechanism of defense and Littlefinger’s efforts. Like I said, “brain-washed” was a little exagerated but he definitively manipulates her.

(Damn, I can’t wait the day she will kick his ass.)