Hi, help me I watch Woman Wonder and my friend says that is biphobic (???) w these arguments: "there is no talk of about love w women on the island and everything Diana knows about sex is bc she has read it in a book " "she only beats the bad guy bc she sees the boy dies so she doesn't care about war only about him " "censored her bisexuality w women and racialized women are the ones who take the worst blows" I'm not good w words help me to counterargument bc we have seen two different movies.
Oh boy…. Alright so as requested, I come bearing counter arguments.
(And by that I mean, mostly the amazing @kara-danvers-lena-luthor comes bearing them. This is mostly her with commentary and backup arguments from me because like 95% of this is her pure genius and I love her). Ahem! So tell your friend to pull up a chair.
1) “There’s no talk about love with women on the island and everything Diana knows about sex is because she has read it in a book.”
Okay, but there’s no talk about hetero sex either. Even though it’s IMPLIED that Diana slept with Steve, they never EXPLICITLY talk about it. Also, which is more important to the story of Diana becoming the GREATEST WARRIOR of all times? Showing her growing up and training? Or showing her growing up and sleeping with women? I guess the answer is obvious, don’t you think?
Diana’s sexuality was not the focus of the film. Why would it be? Love and sex were not the elements that made these incredible women who they are. And just as it is implied that she slept with Steve, it can be just as easily implied that she and/or the Amazons were sexually involved with women. (More on this in a bit).
2) “She only beats the bad guy because she sees Steve dying.”
Hon, sweetheart, pal, buddy… If your friend thinks that, they truly don’t know WW. Diana, in the comics, literally blinded herself to defeat Medusa. Do you really think she would have stopped fighting Ares? The entire movie is about Diana completing the Amazon’s mission, which is defeating Ares! Believe me, even if Steve hadn’t died, she would have found a way to defeat him. Losing Steve just gave her an extra push to finish him faster.
I argued in a previous post against the outlandish notion that Steve is the singular hero of this film. He helped save the day, she saved the world. It was Diana’s fight and strong faith in humanity that helped contribute to her victory over Ares. In her fight, she never gave up, she had a moment where some would say that hope seemed lost, but she searched within herself and fought for what she believed in. She didn’t just defeat Ares with her brute strength, just as she didn’t defeat him because the man she loved died. Ares attempted to use that against her – her anger and heartbreak. He almost succeeded but in the end she was superior because of how she was able to rise above that. Defeating him because she was angry (which was not the case) would have served your friend’s argument, but that’s simply not what happened. Next.
3) “Censored her bisexuality.”
First of all, we need to stop with this notion that in order for us to believe someone is bisexual their dating history has to be 50% women, 50% men! (THIS!!!). Secondly, Diana herself says that men are unnecessary for pleasure! What more does your friend want?? But yes, they had to be careful, because there was a lot riding on this project: the first solo female superhero movie, the first superhero movie directed by a woman, first movie directed by a woman with over $100 million budget… so they needed to make bank!!! They needed to make sure they wouldn’t anger bigoted people, and they did an wonderful job, okay? They made it clear that Diana knows women give each other pleasure, and that she also can fall for men. It’s not erasure, it’s called playing it smart!
I’m just going to throw in the idea of the double standard here, because with arguments that get thrown around on here, we would have seen it. So stay with me. Yes, we would all love to see a wlw Wonder Woman in the movies. And it’s not too late! Who knows, maybe we will! But let’s be real here, if they threw in something really quickly about Diana actually being with a woman, or if she were in a relationship with a woman before leaving Themyscira, that would have received backlash as well. Because it would have been quick and probably only implied in the background of everything else going on. If executed poorly, it could have contributed to the stigma and one of the primary stereotypes against bisexual people! She’s in love with a woman, she meets Steve, has her canon interactions with him, leaves Themyscira (and thus the woman she loves) behind and falls in love with Steve in the short amount of time they have together? Fact: There would have been complaints there too. Sadly, you can’t satisfy all the people, all the time.
4) “Women of color are the ones who take the worst blows.”
What???? I’m sorry, but from all your friend’s arguments, this point is the most ridiculous one to me… Seriously, take your friend to the movie again. After the battle at the beach, an Amazon suggests killing Steve to be done with it, but it’s a black Amazon who is the voice of reason and tells the Queen herself that they should listen to what he has to say.
A black Amazon, Artemis, is portrayed as the strongest among them. She’s the one who hits Diana in the face during Diana’s last training. She’s the one that you see in the first scene of the Amazon’s training shaking off her attackers like they’re nothing. That’s the point! She’s a brick wall! The one to beat. And that isn’t racist. Honey that’s goals. As a black woman I was proud to see that bit! (Not to mention, Artemis was white in her original comic book appearances. She was portrayed as a black woman, I believe in later editions and in a 2009 film. The issue would have been making Artemis the pony-tailed redhead we see originally, but instead we got the amazing Ann Wolfe. So~)
Also after they listen to Steve, and Diana asks her mom to send the Amazons back with him, one of them asks, “What are you talking about, child?” To which Diana replies, “Forgive me, Senator” and guess what? That Amazon is black as well, meaning that they hold high ranks in their society. So I really don’t know what your friend is going on about.
This is a good segue to return to the issue of erasing the Amazon’s sexuality and still tying it in with issues of race. Fun little fact that I learned today:
Why is this important? Who is Phillipus?
Queen Hippolyta and Phillipus are lovers in the comics. Anyone that knew that probably would have been looking for it after finding out Phillipus was in the film. I know I would have been if I knew this sooner. Now it is true, that it is not blatantly obvious that the two are involved in the film. But complete erasure would have been ignoring Phillipus altogether. Instead, they had her, she was STILL a WOC, and in a position that would have more or less kept her at Hippolyta’s side. See where I’m taking this?
So anyway, woc were not just there to take the heavy hits. They show a woman of color with brute strength, they show a woman of color being the voice of reason, they show a woman of color in a high ranking position. It was multifaceted.
So there it is. Anything else? Did we help? 😃
TL;DR: NO. Literally no to everything your friend said. Just… no. kbye