I see a lot of people shitting on Rhaegar Targaryen right now, when the truth is we don’t have all of the facts. Yes he did annul his marriage to Elia Martell but you know what that actually does happen in real life. Rhaegar obviously didn’t love Elia Martell and didn’t want to be married to her. Does that make him the monster everyone thinks he is? No it doesn’t. Nowhere has it been indicated that he disowned his children by her. It could very well be that he acknowledged and legitimized them and stuck them in the line of succession behind Jon. I am sick and tired of people demonizing Rhaegar because he left poor innocent Elia. Guess what Elia wasn’t a stupid naive girl, She wasn’t Sansa when she first got to King’s Landing, she was a Viper, a Martell of Dorne. What happened to her and her children was awful but it was done by the Lannisters not Rhaeger, Also all this BS that Rhaegar kidnapped and raped Lyanna Stark. You’re kidding me right? Lyanna has been compared to Arya, do you really see Arya doing something she doesn’t want to do? Do you see here not finding a way to escape if she wanted to leave? No. Me either. Besides Robert Baratheon who had a chip on his shoulder about Rhaegar and Bran and Sansa who don’t know the whole story, no one and I mean no one supports the theory that Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna. Not Oberyn “Beautiful Noble Rhaegar Targaryen LEFT her for another woman” Martell, Not Barristan “Rhaegar never Liked killing” Selmy. Not even Littlefinger who side-eyed the fuck out of Sansa when she touted the kidnap and raped propaganda about. There is literally no evidence that Lyanna and Rhaegar weren’t in love and that they don’t run away together. Now that doesn’t mean he didn’t make some stupid decisions cause he sure as fuck did. He should have seen the repercussions that just running away and eloping together would have caused. But much like his son Jon, Rhaegar cannot sometimes see the forrest for the trees when he is focused on a particular thing. I.e. Jon’s ides of Marchesque stabbing and Robert’s Rebellion. So if everyone could please think about the whole picture when they say that Elia deserved better and keep in mind that a man who was in love and wanted the best possible life for his unborn child deserved better too.
Strange Shit That Has Happened On Game Grumps And Isn’t Even Discussed
Barristan Selmy from Game of Thrones opens a random episode for no apparent reason and with no explanation
Arin scream-sings Circle of Life in a public place
The fucking ads are the stuff of nightmares
Rob Schneider comes on Game Grumps after Arin completely rips apart his tv show for a full episode
Arin opened a set of 10 or so episodes with monologues about following his twitter, cooking your own food, that he’s really a bat portraying the character of Arin Hanson, that his editor is too handsome, he wants to sell out to Wendy’s, and then hits himself as hard as he can with a plastic bat. This is giffed but not commented on.
Chris Pratt likes the Super Mario Galaxy playthrough, confirms he is a melon with his name written on it.
Arin assembles what looks like a several hundred person mob to go to a random Wendy’s in Ohio, because he wants to sell out to them but they won’t return his tweets.
They’ve got a fucking TV show coming out with the guys from Rick and Morty? Why is this not mentioned more?
L o v e l y d a y f o r c r i c k e t
Arin and Ross abused the ‘give a free ride get a free ride’ code on Uber by sending theirs out to 3.5 million people. Reportedly, Arin now has over 800 free rides.
Ross and Barry sold their pokemon fanart in an art gallery.
Seriously the fucking ads? In one of them Barry is turned upside down while Arin growls in a corner and then time-lapse punches Barry into a wall, and this is an advert for Lootcrate
Dan repeatedly hit a two pound gummy bear against a table to try and remove its head
A professor of theoretical physics quit his fucking job to do the show
“Prince Rhaegar had two children,” Ser Barristan told him. “Rhaenys was a little girl, Aegon a babe in arms. When Tywin Lannister took King’s Landing, his men killed both of them. He served the bloody bodies up in crimson cloaks, a gift for the new king.” And what did Robert say when he saw them? Did he smile? Barristan Selmy had been badly wounded on the Trident, so he had been spared the sight of Lord Tywin’s gift, but oft he wondered. If I had seen him smile over the red ruins of Rhaegar’s children, no army on this earth could have stopped me from killing him.
// Henry Cavill as young Robert Baratheon, Golshifteh Farahani as Elia Martell
As much as Jon looked like Lyanna, sometimes Ned would catch a glimpse of the dragon prince’s features in the little boy’s face. Even though no one looked for Rhaegar in Jon, Ned occasionally saw it and he always worried that someday someone else would too. That’s why Ned was relieved that Ser Barristan Selmy did not accompany the royal family to Winterfell. If it were possible for anyone else to see the last dragon in Jon Snow, it would have been Rhaegar’s old friend.
ASOIAF MEME: Wenda the White Fawn and the Kingswood Brotherhood
The Kingswood Brotherhood was an infamous outlaw
organization during the reign of King Aerys II. Operating out of the Kingswood,
the Brotherhood gained recognition by kidnapping several nobles and evading
early attempts to capture them. Ultimately, they became such a nuisance that
King Aerys sent a detachment of soldiers led by notable members of the
Kingsguard to destroy them. Lord Sumner Crakehall and his two squires, Jaime
Lannister and Merrett Frey, were also part of the retinue, led by Ser Arthur
The Brotherhood was sheltered by the smallfolk of the
Kingswood, preventing the royal forces from finding and ending the outlaws.
However, Ser Arthur Dayne gained the confidence of the smallfolk, who had
believed that the only ones protecting their rights was the Brotherhood. Arthur
petitioned the king for better rights for the smallfolk and he made sure the
royal forces paid for any items they took from the peasantry. Arthur’s actions
swung the allegiance of the smallfolk to the royal forces who could now hunt
the Brotherhood, as the outlaws could no longer walk around with impunity in
In a notable clash, the young Jaime Lannister, Ser Arthur
Dayne, and Ser Barristan Selmy faced off against several notable outlaws,
including the Smiling Knight and their leader, Simon Toyne. Barristan killed
Simon, while Arthur killed the Smiling Knight. Jaime regards the battle, in
which he crossed swords with the Smiling Knight, as one of his fondest
Other members of the Brotherhood included Wenda the White
Fawn, Oswyn Longneck the Thrice Hanged, Big Belly Ben, Fletcher Dick and Ulmer.
All members are presumed dead except Ulmer, who joined the Night’s Watch to
*breath in* …there is no canon evidence that Rhaegar/Lyanna’s relationship was not consensual beyond Robert Baratheon and fuckin Bran’s accounts. Look at Rob. Rob is biased as heck considering we know he was in love with Lyanna, almost possessive. He can not accept that Lyanna would love anyone other than him. On all other accounts he speaks favorably of Rhaegar. Look at Bran. He has no connection AT ALL to whatever happened- beyond hearing vaguely about it from other sources presumably. Even our pinnacle of Morality Ned talks highly of Rhaegar (i.e. thinks him the man above attending brothels). Why would he talk highly of the man who kidnapped his sister? Ser Barristan Selmy, who served three kings, thinks that Rhaegar would have been better then any of them! Daenerys is often compared to Rhaegar as a compliment! Cersei wanted to be married to him! Jon Connington was in love with him. The common people loved Rhaegar! Everyone loves Rhaegar! Rhaegar was a fuckin nerd. He loved reading and was often made fun of it as a child. Then he grew up into this badass and everyone was like ooOoOH but lemme remind you Rhaegar was a fuckin NERD. Rhaegar liked music ”loved his harp more than his lance). And he played all the time like a dweeb. His songs even made Lyanna cry because they were so beautiful. Rhaegar was sassy af. At the tournament at Harrenhal, he winter rose crown for the queen of love and beauty to Lyanna because she was Best Girl. Everyone was like “what abt your wife” and Rhaegar was like “fuck u lol.” When the rebellion started and whatever and Rhaegar was killed he diED WITH LYANNA’S NAME ON HIS LIPS. liKE– also LYANNA. This boss ass bitch wasn’t about to marry Robert aka Fuckboy #1. She had “the wolfblood” in her and was Arya v. 0. She was a good swordsman and horseman. Ned says that Rob never saw "the iron underneath.”and Lyanna new that Rob would cheat on her because he’s an Asshole. When Lyanna died, she was clutching her favorite blue winter roses like the ones Rhaegar gave to her. The symbolism here is obvious. Anyways Rhaegar and Lyanna are 2 badasses they deserve each other fuck Robert Baratheon and good day
Why did Illyrio send Barristan to Dany instead of Aegon? Barry's reputation is seen as useful for the ruler he would turn up with.
Well, keep in mind, I’m fairly sure Illyrio’s plan to get Dany to Pentos would have involved trying to get her together with Aegon and get her dragons under his control.
Dany and Aegon showing up as independent rival monarchs was not part of the plan up to mid-ADWD, and if it hadn’t been for Tyrion you likely would have had Aegon showing up at Meereen as one of Dany’s suitors, like Quentyn but with sex appeal (sorry, @poorquentyn, but it’s true) and one of the best armies in Westeros at the moment she’s under siege.
The problem is that Tyrion completely deconstructs Aegon’s Hero’s Journey, and so instead of the Hidden PrinceMarrying the Princess and Training His Dragon, Aegon’s destiny is to become the Mummer’s Dragon who will take the Iron Throne to the cheers of the mob, only to be roasted alive when the Slayer of Lies comes to take what’s hers.
So the personnel shifts in Essos turn out to have been really crucial: sending Barristan means Dany doesn’t get assassinated on the docks of Qarth (which would have been a major setback, but would have cleared the way for Aegon ultimately), but because Jorah has his own plan which doesn’t involve Illyrio, Dany doesn’t go to Pentos, so that plan is scotched. The problem here is that Illyrio is trying to work at arm’s length (which is good tradecraft, but there are…well, tradeoffs) across two continents, and unlike in cyvasse or chess, the pawns have wills of their own:
“Which plan?” said Tristan Rivers. “The fat man’s plan? The one that changes every time the moon turns? First Viserys Targaryen was to join us with fifty thousand Dothraki screamers at his back. Then the Beggar King was dead, and it was to be the sister, a pliable young child queen who was on her way to Pentos with three new-hatched dragons. Instead the girl turns up on Slaver’s Bay and leaves a string of burning cities in her wake, and the fat man decides we should meet her by Volantis. Now that plan is in ruins as well.”
And so do the best laid plans of cheesemongers gang oft alay…
Can you expand on the Green Grace being the Harpy? I feel ridiculous, I completely overlooked the idea.
I think it’s safe to say that Hizdahr is definitely among the Sons of the Harpy, because if he wasn’t, how does he get them to stop killing for 90 days? How else does he even know who to talk to, and why else would they be so enthused about him becoming Dany’s consort that they’d stay their knives? (I guarantee that if she’d married Skahaz instead, they’d have ramped up the killings tenfold.) Plus, he gets pissed when Dany intervenes to stop Tyrion and Penny from being ripped apart by lions, and he instinctively refers to the woman he takes to bed after Dany flies off as a bedslave and therefore “nothing,” and just in general he exemplifies the exploitative avarice of the Master class.
But Hizdahr himself, to be honest, is also a preening cowardly dolt. I really doubt that he’s in charge of Team Harpy. If you look at how he conducts himself after Dany leaves, it’s hardly the portrait of a mastermind pulling the strings. He’s a puppet, a useful tool, a means to an end. So if you want to find the Harpy, look at who actually proposed that Dany wed Hizdahr. And who was that? The Green Grace. Unlike Hizdahr, she’s consistently presented as a clever experienced politician, choosing every word carefully; not for nothing does Barristan send her to negotiate with the Yunkai’i. When she brings up the Hizdahr match to Dany, she specifically cites Dany’s refusal to kill the hostages (including some of the Grace’s own kin) as a reason the marriage would be worthwhile, hinting that her strategies and motives are the ones actually driving Team Harpy: she had freedmen killed, saw that Dany refused to kill the hostages in return, smelled a weakness, and stepped in to exploit it. All Hizdahr really cares about is that the spice must flow his profits from the fighting pits resume; the Green Grace is the one with the larger agenda, going so far as to reprimand Dany RE Daario when Hizdahr himself couldn’t care less. Indeed, she oh-so-subtly informs Barristan that if he wants the ramped-up killings to stop, he has to let her puppet go:
“The Sons of the Harpy slew thirty in the night.”
“I grieve to hear this. All the more reason to free the noble Hizdahr zo Loraq, who stopped such killings once.”
And how did he accomplish that, unless he is himself the Harpy?
But Barristan, being Barristan, doesn’t realize that he’stalking to the Harpy right now. He overlooks the kind old woman, thinking that the man with the crown must be running things, despite his transparent tool-ness. GRRM does love his elderly ladies takin’ charge, from Olenna to Barbrey to the Widow of the Waterfront. And indeed, the latter has her own “sons” that do her bidding in Volantis, which to me, is a clue as to whose orders the Sons in Meereen are following. Finally: the Harpy is a female religious icon, and the Green Grace is a prominent priestess. Sometimes, the mask is barely a mask.
what are your thoughts on King Aerys's Kingsguard? Do you think they were honorable knights are toadies who didn't uphold their vows?
Oof, that’s a loaded question. Bear with me because I have thoughts.
The Kingsguard are vital to GRRM’s interrogation of knighthood and his definition of a true knight; we’re meant to see how hard it is to live up to the ideals of knighthood in a world that allows for conflicting vows, how good knights in service to a bad cause handle it, how many of them dare to question the system itself, and how that reflects on their view of themselves and of the institution as a whole. Living up to the chivalric code is freaking hard which is precisely why it is the mark of a true knight.
So we have the kingsguard as a model of how crooked the current system is: this is an institution that is universally viewed as the embodiment of the
code but its fundamental flaw - the fact the their vows to the king are taken to supersede their original vows to “be just [..] protect the young and the innocent [..] defend all women”, even though the knighthood oath is the foundation on which the Kingsguard oath is built upon - effectively compromises that same code, exposing its oath to be hollow and presenting a conflict of morality that so many of the revered knights in Westeros fall to.
I cannot speak to that author’s supposed argument. But I can discuss why I think it more likely that Barristan will die in Meereen, before Daenerys returns, than that he will betray her for Young Aegon.
Barristan’s POV arc in ADWD was undoubtedly short, but I believe it proved more than satisfactory in crystallizing the thematic elements of his story in a meaningful way while also setting up his downfall. In my opinion, Barristan’s story has largely concerned the question “What does it mean to serve a king?”, and that question comes to a head for him after Daenerys leaves, when he finds himself serving King Hizdahr. As the court changes under Hizdahr - Daenerys loyalists being dismissed or reduced in importance, replaced by Hizdahr’s men - Barristan grows more uncomfortable, and more willing to listen to Skahaz’s conspiracy to depose him. When Hizdahr refuses to retaliate against the unjust murder of the hostage Groleo - something Barristan thinks even weak Jaehaerys II would have done - Barristan’s move against Hizdahr is assured. The “Kingbreaker” thus becomes the climax, not just for Barristan in ADWD but Barristan as a Kingsguard: he finally does what he never had the courage to do with Aerys or Robert - depose an unworthy king in favor of a rightful queen, or at least ruling in a rightful queen’s name, breaking the blind oath of loyalty expected of a Kingsguard in the cause of justice.
However, Barristan made a critical error in ADWD, one that I think will prove his undoing: trusting the Shavepate. Barristan is not a fool, but he entered into agreement with an unscrupulously ambitious and very deceptive man. It’s the Shavepate who almost certainly poisoned the locusts at Daznak’s Pit, the Shavepate who spent ADWD angling against Hizdahr and his set, and the Shavepate who is now in control of the city proper (with Queen’s Hand Barristan bringing war outside). I have no doubt that the Shavepate is going to take advantage of Barristan’s absence in battle to further his political goals - goals Barristan will find horrifying.
So I do believe TWOW will serve as a great triumph and then an immediate, tragic denouement for the white knight. The released preview chapter “Barristan I” ends with a strong pre-battle speech, one clearly fed from his decades of martial experience - a speech that, for my money, has “heroic last words” written all over it. Hell, I’ll admit that the ending to “Barristan II” of TWOW (never released formally in text, but read aloud) even makes me shiver a little, I like it so; the whole chapter is a stage to show off Barristan’s prowess as a wartime commander, but especially the glee in his voice when he compares the landing of Victarion’s fleet to the hammer and the anvil of the Redgrass Field … well, it’s one of the more stirring moments in ASOIAF for me, even though it’s not even released yet.
How tragic then, for Barristan to return to his adopted city a hero, the savior of Meereen, the loyal and true knight - only to find that, in his absence, the Shavepate has had Hizdahr, Reznak, and the child hostages killed. The Shavepate’s hatred of Hizdahr was an open fact throughout ADWD, and time and again he has called for the the child hostages Daenerys took to be murdered, first in retaliation for the Sons of the Harpy murders and then the murders of the Meereenese hostages with the Yunkai'i (though Daenerys and Barristan refused to countenance the murder of children of whom both had become fond). Barristan will come back to the city to discover the Shavepate has effectively seized control of the Meereenese government in his absence, eliminating his political enemies and their children for good measure - and now that Barristan has helpfully deposed Hizdahr and won the battle for him, Skahaz has no further need to keep the old man around. So I imagine the end of Barristan will come as Barristan goes after Skahaz (perhaps after Skahaz orders him killed), and is cut down by the Shavepate’s loyal Brazen Beasts; tired from the battle, the old knight will be swarmed upon the masked men he already deeply distrusts. Barristan’s ending as such would be completely fitting with something I’ve been trying to emphasize as a recurring theme in ASOIAF: the fall of a protagonist can be tragic while still rooted in that protagonist’s own missteps and failures.
I also prefer this ending for Barristan for the impact it will have on Daenerys. I’ve said before that I could see Daenerys spending two chapters with the Dothraki - one killing Khal Jhaqo, and one being acclaimed in Vaes Dothrak - before returning to Meereen in or around “Daenerys III”. Daenerys will find on her return that her white knight is gone - the only other Westerosi in her crew (without Jorah), the connection between her and her family past, a man she thought she could trust. Wouldn’t you know it, though, a whole new crop of advisors will be there to help - Tyrion, Moqorro, and Marwyn, among their associates. Moreover, unlike Barristan, these men are not going to try to reign in her more violent side: Tyrion sees Daenerys as his means of getting back to Westeros and destroying his hated family; Moqorro and the red priests think Daenerys is the chosen of R'hllor, who feasts on human sacrifice; Marwyn clearly blames the “grey sheep” of the Citadel for killing the dragons before, so he’s about the last person who would try to keep her dragons locked away (on top of his interest in Daenerys as the martial “prince that was promised”). The loss of Barristan will help transition Daenerys into a full “fire and blood” mode I think she needs, thematically speaking, before she can become the humanity-saving hero at the end of ASOIAF.
Thinking on a meta level about this supposed turning cloak for Aegon, it would hardly be narratively surprising at this point for Daenerys to face another betraying counselor. The saga of Jorah’s betrayal and questionable loyalty has been a recurring theme even with Jorah out of her immediate circle, and the defection of Brown Ben Plumm to Yunkai was a major plot point in ADWD. Would it be interesting from a plot perspective to have her betrayed again by another trusted advisor? Certainly, it is possible that GRRM would repeat the same tactic, but there are surely other, more intriguing means Daenerys could face her prophesied “treasons” than by another counselor defecting from her service.
Consider also the structural integrity of TWOW and beyond. If GRRM chooses to bring back all alive POV characters for TWOW - and I cannot see a reason he would not, with the series escalating to its final climax - that means 20 separate main POV characters (compare to the 16 of ADWD, the book with the most separate POV characters so far). Unless each character gets a paltry number of chapters, I think it likely that GRRM will start winnowing down the POVs, killing them off to focus on the truly important viewpoints. Neither Daenerys nor Aegon has a need for Barristan to remain with them: Daenerys has her own POV as well as Tyrion’s in her area, while Aegon currently has JonCon and will soon have Arianne as well (and I’ll eat my hat if the Dornish princess doesn’t endeavor to make herself Aegon’s queen). Three POVs is a substantial amount to look at any character, particularly one who has “doomed” practically stamped on his forehead.
Finally, I very much doubt that the fight between Aegon and Daenerys lasts for a long time; indeed, I can see Daenerys having enough to do in TWOW that she doesn’t even reach Westeros until the very end of that book, and we instead end in King’s Landing with King Aegon VI on the Iron Throne. Would it really be sensible to keep Barristan around so long for a “civil war” that will last, in a generous calculation, for a handful of chapters? What would be the ultimate point to Barristan’s story then - that Daenerys is triumphant, and Barristan should never have left her? Would that be narratively fulfilling? You’re welcome to think so; but I do not.