“You were designed to be emotionless, so your reaction to it was that much stronger. Every now and then, you must have wanted to cry or scream or yell, "I don’t care anymore!” And even if you didn’t think that way, maybe you should have. We should have let you. I’m also partially responsible. I came to rely on her too much, just letting her deal with everything. I figured that as long as she could handle everything, I could stop thinking. I’ve been more of an idiot than Haruhi. I don’t have the right to point any fingers. And as a result, Nagato was driven to the point where she wanted to change the world. Bug? Error? Not a chance. That wasn’t it. This was exactly what she wanted. She wished for a normal world like this.“
I re-watched the first season of the Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya after a long while, and I think they did something interesting with it. In episode 4, Suzumiya gives her famous “feelings of love are just some sort of mental illness” speech. While Suzumiya is explaining her view point, the audience is shown what is happening outside. In the yard, there are two people who seem to have feelings to each other.
Now, this could be what Suzumiya is seeing since she is looking out of the window, and what she is talking about love gives this scene and interesting vibe going around. However, what interests me even more is the location where this is happening. You see, later on in episode 4 we get see how this couple goes forward, and the girl ends up slapping the boy.
This happens in the same place, in the yard, but the reason to show the viewer this is a bit strange, since it does not make full sense with the context of the scene. Suzumiya and Kyon are discussing Asakura`s transfer at the beginning, so why did the creators show this couple again? Of course it´s possible that since Asakura appeared/was mentioned in both of these scenes, that small clip from the yard connects the two thematically. However, I have another reason in mind.
I think the reason is that now the yard, with the showing of this couple 2 times, has been connected with the theme of romance. It is significant that this vibe/theme was connected to this location because of episode 6, aka how the first book ends. I checked and in both of the source material (the book) and in the anime version, Kyon and Suzumiya end up running away to the yard to escape the Celestials.
Now, the creators of the anime need to follow the source material and that is why Suzumiya and Kyon run to the yard, but the creators were smart about this, and have connected the feeling of romance into that place. And I think it`s really clever since that place, which we were shown a boy and girl blush, a place where they were shown to break up, a place which was shown when Suzumiya described love as an mental illness, also happens to be the place where Suzumiya and Kyon have their romantic moment.
Meta stuff in my The Melancholy of Haurhi Suzumiya? More likely than you think.
Have you ever stopped to think how meta The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya-light novel series really is? Like in some basic stories they have these stereotypical characters like the silent person who reads in the corner, the cute girl with..well you know what and a mysterious transfer student. Being inspired by those, Haruhi actually constructs that kind of narrative around herself, by getting people into her club that fit these models. In these stories there has been a cute moe character, so Haruhi forcibly makes Mikuru join, who fits into this category.
In the murder story she basically goes to a place which happens to fit to all of the stereotypical aspects that happen in a murder story(remote location, mansion, has a maid and a butler and etc..) yet again creating this sort of narrative/story/context. Technically it`s Koizumi who stages the murder mystery, but without Haruhi wishing it that would have never happened.
This goes to even grander scale if we take into consideration the theory which is coined by Koizumi in the beginning of the series, where he tells that the current world was created by Haruhi 3 years ago(currently 4 years ago in their timeline). Like then she literally created the story around her, like holy freaking heck. o_O
I was flipping trough my copy of The Surprise of Haruhi Suzumiya the other day, and there was one long line from Sasaki that caught my interest. The one that I am referring to is this:
“ What I think is that Nagato and Kuyoh are unable to understand human reasoning and values. They´ve forced themselves down from a higher dimension of existence to be among humans, so even if they understand what we`re saying, they don´t understand why we`re saying it. “
That quote goes on a bit longer but what really interests me is that first part. I think Sasaki is quite right there. The alien factions that Nagato and Kuyoh represent truly are on a higher level of existence than humans. Heck, they even had to build organic translation machines to even began to understand such primitive beings as us.
However, I disagree with Sasaki a little bit of when it comes to Nagato. I think Nagato likely started as how Sasaki describes: someone from an higher plane of existence, forced down among humans, not really understanding why they are saying the things they are saying. But as Nagato has spent time with her friends, I think she has changed. She developed emotions at least to some degree. and Koizumi for example says that her “alien aura” is weakening. She even cut off ties with her other version, so she would not know what happens in the future. I think that… Nagato probably has some what better understanding of humans and their values, why they do things, since she has spent time with them.
On the other hand, I think Asakura is someone who fits with into Sasaki`s description 100%. She was from a higher plane of existence, and despite being created as someone who seems to have a rather warm and caring nature, she does not seem to actually understand the beings among she dwells in. During The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya when she attacks Kyon and he is very afraid for his life, it seems that Asakura does not really understand this:
“You don´t want to die? You don´t want to be killed? I really do not understand the concept of death for organic lifeforms.”
She really does not understand what dying in Kyon´s case means and probably why he is so afraid of it. Humans feel so small and primitive from the aliens perspective. When in Surprise Kyon tries to say that Earth is not just some playground for the aliens, Kimidori or either Asakura (it is not known which said it, could be both) reply that they find this sentence amusing. They likely view us as some us view a line of ants marching towards their nest, just some insects.
Still, I find it a bit ironic how Nagato, the one who was designed to be an observer devoid of emotions, likely has more understanding and sympathy towards beings lower than her, than her back up Asakura, who has designed as a warm and caring class president.
i’m watching the melancholy of haruhi suzumiya for the first time in the year of our lord 2017 (DO NOT LAUGH) and i wanna record this theory so that i can look back on it later after the rest of the show proves me to be dead wrong
right so koizumi’s Out Here (In Here, in the cab) talking about the human principle right. the idea that things are as they are because humans observe them to be so and here’s what i’m thinkin:
Game Theory: everything that asahina, nagato, and koizumi have said about haruhi is true, but the reason that the specific wishes relating to those three (for future men/aliens/espers to exist) are provably true whereas none of haruhi’s other expressed/implied wishes are (ex: she thinks that the world is boring and wishes it was more interesting on a day-to-day basis) is because kyon has directly observed them to be so
the human principle is totally correct and being observably enacted; her wish for the world to be more interesting hasn’t lead to anything happen because kyon has not observed the world to be interesting, therefore the world is mundane
i don’t know anything about this series i’m only on episode 5
“I get the feeling that the SOS Brigade is structured like an atom. On the large scale it moves around, sticking to some things and bouncing off others, but internally it`s very cohesive and stable, and nearly impossible to split. In order disrupt the balance, all you can do is impact each mutually reinforcing element, but I don´t think there are very many people in the world capable of doing that. “
Crispin Freeman is an American voice actor, prolific in anime dubs since 1997 and a staple of American animation, particularly DC and Marvel super hero projects. He also is a very experienced ADR director and script writer for many projects.
His roles have included Alucard from Hellsing, Kyon from The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Shizuo Heiwajima from Durarara!!, Karasu from Noein, Togusa from Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, as Holland Novak from Eureka Seven, Touga Kiryuu in Revolutionary Girl Utena, Zelgadis Greywords from Slayers, Straight Cougar from S-CRY-ed, Tsume from Wolf’s Rain, Guan Yu from Dynasty Warriors, Siegfried Schtauffen from Soul Calibur III, Jeremiah Gottwald from Code Geass, Itachi Uchiha in Naruto, Rude from Final Fantasy VII, Albel Nox from Star Ocean: Till the End of Time, Balmung of the Azure Sky in the .hack Series, Red Arrow in Young Justice, and the titular Irresponsible Captain Tylor.
Okay, so I have been studying movie analysis a bit, and while I am total beginner in it, I would like to use some of the knowledge that I have learned to look at some moments from Haruhi`s anime version. Koizumi`s and Kyon`s discussion in the taxi will be the one I am going to focus on today. Particularly it´s use of sound.
A good amount of the taxi scene deals about Koizumi explaining the Anthropic Principle. What is interesting is that the music chosen for that portion gives a rather anxious, almost scary feeling to the scene. It makes the things Koizumi explains have a bit of scary tone.
Koizumi however shifts the discussion fully to Suzumiya around the middle way of the scene. An interesting thing happens when he does that. Just when Koizumi is about the say the line “ I kid”, the scary music stops. This combined with Koizumi `s words almost instantly shifts the tone of the scene. There is a moment of silence, and it feels like you can finally relax a little bit. The music also changes to a more relaxed, mysterious music, which does not have as a sinister vibe than the previous track did, and more of a mysterious feeling in my opinion. With these changes they change the tone of the scene, and it feels less scary even thou they are talking about things, like for example how Suzumiya is able to un-make the world if she wishes so.
After movie analysis classes, I have really started to pay attention to things like, sound design and use of sound. The taxi scene, which combined the change of music and Koizumi`s relaxing words, changed the tone of the scene significantly. I thought that pretty well done when I saw this. .