romulan star empire

Protecting John from huge spoilers : ENT “Shockwave Part II”


- What’s gone? -
- The monument. It was right here on the same street as the library. It was obviously never built. -
- Why is that a problem? Who did it commemorate? -
- Not who. - 
- Then what? -
- An organisation. The Federation. It doesn’t exist for you, not yet. -   

Reasons Why Mirror!Spock is still a Good Spock

Hey, all ya’ll; I’m writing my Spirk + Mirror!Spock fic, A Crack in the Mirror , and I actually sat down and wrote up some reasons for why I think Mirror!Spock is actually good. Here ya go:

To begin, in the Prime Universe, The Time of Awakening gave the Vulcans their foundation of logical thinking and the pursuit of freedom from emotion. During this time is when a faction who did not believe in Surak’s teachings left Vulcan and later established Romulus. From what I gather, the Romulan Star Empire is the “Empire” of the Prime Universe.

Okay, now flip this for the Mirror Universe. I assume The Time of Awakening has still taken place, but it is the Vulcans who end up rejecting Surak’s teachings of logic in favor of ambition and power. They become the ruthless Romulans of the Mirror Universe. This is somewhat evidenced when Mirror Spock tells Mirror Sulu: “I suggest you remember that my operatives would avenge my death and some of them are Vulcans.”

So, first, Mirror Vulcans = Prime Romulans.

But there is something about Mirror Spock that I can’t shake since I recently rewatched the “Mirror, Mirror” episode– his logic is still perfectly intact. He doesn’t really seem like a Romulan; he’s not barbaric and treacherous like the others (I understand this is a claim with very little canon evidence). He almost seems defeated. He still has his infallible Prime Universe Vulcan logic, yet he exists in a universe that has forced him to betray that time and time again. While everyone else seems to glorify and even relish the brutality of the Empire, Mirror Spock tortures Mr. Kyle in the transporter room and doesn’t even bat an eye when Chekhov is in the agoniser booth because, according to him, “Terror must be maintained or the Empire is doomed. It is the logic of history.” He does these things, somewhat reluctantly, I might add, not to achieve power or because he enjoys it, but because he needs to survive against a force he feels he is powerless against.

Second, logical Spock is a universal constant. He only participates to survive.

Boom- now in walks (or beams) Prime Kirk. He highlights the fact that Mirror Spock is still logical by saying: “I submit to you that your Empire is illogical because it cannot endure. I submit that you are illogical to be a willing part of it.” and “If change is inevitable, predictable, beneficial, doesn’t logic demand that you be a part of it?”

Mirror Spock is hesitant at first, which is understandable per the statements I made above, but when Prime Kirk says, “In every revolution, there’s one man with a vision.”, Spock replies with, “Captain Kirk, I shall consider it.”

I shall consider it!

You can even see on his face that something within him has awakened. He has hope, and yes, he does want things to change. Prime Kirk confirms this by saying later on the bridge, “…that Jim Kirk will find a few changes, if I read my Spocks correctly.”

So, voilà! Spock is actually “good” in every universe because of his adherence to logic even if the varying circumstances cause him to behave a little differently  (like growing a beard lol).

Also, I don’t think that even Mirror!Spock would find it logical to proceed to fight a brutal, bloody war only to become the very thing he’s been fighting against. Hence, Mirror!Spock is still a good Spock…with a beard.

Originally posted by giantmonster

3tznius5this  asked:

Romulan Jew: "The Romulans were a humanoid race from the planet Romulus, the biological cousins of Vulcans, descended from those who rejected Surak's reforms during the Time of Awakening. When Surak's reforms of embracing logical principles and rejecting emotions spread rapidly across Vulcan in the 4th century, a minority rejected Surak's ideals. They were described as 'those who march beneath the Raptor's wings' a symbol later to be used in the Romulan Star Empire" be an emotional dinosaur Jew

OOOOOH!!!!!!

Yes I like this very much

Trek for Newbies, Part One: What Is A Star Trek

(The other Trek for Newbies posts can be found here.)

What is a Star Trek?

Star Trek began as one of the first science fiction TV shows, and went on to become one of the most beloved and influential television franchises of all time. Modern science fiction television, modern television in general, even modern fandom have all been enormously influenced by Star Trek, not to mention the legions of scientists, engineers, astronauts, etc who cite Star Trek as a direct inspiration.

As of 2016, there have been five live-action Star Trek TV series; the first began in 1966, with a sixth series scheduled to begin next year:

The Original Series (1966–1969)
The Next Generation (1987–1994)
Deep Space Nine (1993–1999)
Voyager (1995–2001)
Enterprise (2001–2005)
Untitled series (2017–)

There are also twelve movies, an animated series, and god knows how many books, comics, video games, and so forth.

Ok, so what’s the premise?

In the future, the human race has developed faster-than-light travel and begun to explore the galaxy, which is also home to countless other intelligent species. Humans and several other species have formed the United Federation of Planets (‘the Federation’), a utopian post-capitalist society.

The Federation operates an armada of starships, called Starfleet, which carry out missions of exploration, research, peacekeeping, and humanitarian aid. The first four series of Star Trek focus on the highest-ranking Starfleet crew members of one Federation spaceship or space station as they carry out their missions. (The fifth series is set just before the formation of the Federation, but is structurally the same.)

Wait, a utopian post-capitalist society? Is Star Trek far-left propaganda?

Yes. It’s awesome.

You can’t separate Star Trek, even modern Star Trek, from its origins in 1960s America. You’ve got the Cold War, with the memory of World War II still fresh in everyone’s mind; you’ve got the Vietnam War and the draft; you’ve got the struggling civil rights movements and associated crackdowns; and at the same time, you’ve got the very first humans travelling into outer space.

The original Star Trek took all that in and presented an optimistic vision of the future. In the Star Trek universe, the human race is part of a peaceful, egalitarian, diverse society working for the greater good. The message was: things might be bad right now, but they’re going to get better. Humanity is better than this, and someday soon we’ll grow past it, stop fighting each other and oppressing each other, and we’ll explore the stars together. I’m not crying you’re crying.

That’s not just a post-hoc interpretation – it was the stated goal of Star Trek’s creator, Gene Roddenberry, to make a show with a progressive political agenda and a diverse cast. That philosophy has continued inform the various series of the show, to greater or lesser degrees. Many episodes of each Star Trek series are allegories for contemporary cultural and political issues, which the heroes try to resolve through humanism and optimism.

At pretty much every step of the way, progressive moves by the various series have been opposed and sometimes blocked by the networks, because of course.

Tell me more about this utopian post-capitalist society.

Humans develop faster-than-light travel, or ‘warp drive,’ in 2063, and begin encountering intelligent alien species (most of whom, yes, happen to look almost exactly like humans, we’ll get into that later). In 2161, humans invite several of these other species (including the Vulcans and some other guys you haven’t heard of) to join together as the United Federation of Planets, which is pretty much explicitly Space United Nations. Over the years, new species apply for membership in the Federation, and by the 2300s it has over 150 member planets with thousands of colonies.

According to the Federation charter, they operate based on the principles of universal liberty, rights, and equality, and they share their knowledge and resources to further the goals of peaceful cooperation and exploration.

Federation worlds have no class divisions and money essentially no longer exists. The show is sometimes frustratingly vague about how this works in practice.

Skip the Space United Nations stuff and get to the spaceships.

The Federation operates Starfleet, a fleet of spaceships whose primary mission is to explore deep space and look for new forms of life. They also engage in scientific research and conduct peacekeeping, diplomacy, and ‘defense operations’ aka torpedoing people who are really asking for it.

Starfleet is the setting for most of Star Trek. Three of the five Trek series (The Original Series, The Next Generation, and Voyager) take place on Federation starships which run around exploring cool new planets and getting in fights. Enterprise is a prequel set before the Federation formed, but it’s basically the same thing. A typical episode of one of these shows would involve a visit to a new planet or encounter with a new lifeform. Deep Space Nine is the exception – it takes place on a planet-orbiting space station under joint Federation control, and is more heavily serialized. (Eventually they also get a spaceship.)

Each series revolves around an ensemble of Starfleet officers including the ship’s captain (or station commander) and various other high-ranking officers. There are also non-Starfleet characters, as well as an unspecified number of nameless Starfleet grunts who are constantly catching lasers to the gut (‘redshirts’).

Wait, how can these shows possibly have any conflict if they take place in a utopia?

There are lots and lots of non-Federation alien species, too, and they do not have classless utopias. Some of those species are major powers which sometimes come into conflict with the Federation, including the Klingon Empire, the Romulan Star Empire, the Cardassian Union, the Borg, and the Dominion.

There are also untold hundreds of unaffiliated alien civilizations, which fall into two categories based on how technologically advanced they are. Some alien species have invented faster-than-light travel (they are ‘warp capable’) and have discovered the existence of other intelligent life forms. Others haven’t developed space travel (they are ‘pre-warp’) and have no knowledge of other intelligent life.

In dealing with non-Federation aliens, the Federation follows a guiding principle called the Prime Directive. The Prime Directive is a huge deal throughout Star Trek. It forbids interference in the natural development of any pre-warp civilization – meaning, don’t let them find out that aliens and space travel exist. This leads to dozens of episodes in which Our Heroes have to throw on alien peasant garb and pretend not to be from another planet. The Prime Directive also says you can’t interfere with any warp-capable civilization without the consent of its leaders, leading to dozens of episodes in which something is horribly wrong and Our Heroes can’t really do anything about it.

Ok, so that’s the basic premise and setting. What are the differences between all the shows? Who are the characters? What is the future technology like? What are some good episodes to start with?

Oh my god, this is going to require a lot more posts than I thought.

Next Up:

Alien species: Vulcans, Klingons, non-corporeal godlike beings, etc

Star Trek tech: replicators, tricorders, holodecks, etc

The basics of each of the five TV series: premises, main characters, good intro episodes, fan reception

The cultural influence of Trek: why we have iPads, slash fiction, and Whoopi Goldberg

Bryan Fuller and Star Trek

What Star Wars meeting Star Trek Could be Really Fun

A Jedi: I can’t seem to read his mind. What are you?

Lt. Commander Data, my son, my child: I am an android, sir.

Some Clone in the background: That’s the strangest clanker I’ve ever seen.

Jedi: Are you part of the Separatists?

Data, doing that head tilt thing: Query, seperate from whom?

Jedi, beginning to get annoyed: The Republic.

Data: Ah, so you are part of the Romulan Republic?

Jedi: …The what?

Data: The Romulan Republic is a breakaway state of the Romulan Star Empire that formed following the Hobus supernova of 2387–

Jedi: Enough, Droid. Are *you* part of this Romulan Republic?

Data: No, sir. I am part of the Federation, and my name is Data.

Clone: Oh osik, he works for the toads.

Mission Log: The Human View of Romulans >Log 1<

I’ve decided to take a different approach to my research of Humans and investigate how they generally view Romulans.  So, as a start, I decided to look up the word “Romulan” in an urban dictionary.  This is what I found (what was relevant, anyway):

1. Romulan

A tall humanoid, the same species as Vulcans but more human. They do not pretend to not have emotions, and they get laid more than Vulcans, which is why they do not experience Pon Farr. Romulans, also known as Rihannsu, are widely maligned as dishonorable, but unlike Klingons who pay lip service to honor, but attack rescue vessels with cloaked ships, the Romulans do not pretend to be honorable and commit such atrocities, they are less hypocritical and more honorable than Klingons.

2. Romulan

A member of the Vulcan origin race that is dishonorable and always up to shenanigans. Unlike Klingons who actually have honor, Romulans bomb innocent civilians, pretend to be in an alliance and stab everyone in the back to get what they want, and lie to their friends. The most cowardly race on Star Trek. Famous for using underhanded methods to advance and backstabbing the Klingons.

This presents as many questions as it does answers.  …and needless to say, I’m not at all pleased with the general opinion that we have little to no honor.

Thus, I’m going to start my own investigation of the general Human opinion of Romulans.  I would very much appreciate any input on the subject form my human followers.  Of course, I’m open to hearing input from any non-human races as well.  Any of my followers’ thoughts/opinions would be of great interest to me: positive or negative.  I promise I won’t object too loudly, provided you’re professional about it.  You may submit your opinions anonymously, if you wish.

Note: Urban dictionaries are a useless waste of time.

anonymous asked:

Alright here is your question: In your opinion, deep down, can your people be trusted (I mean I know everyone and every society has its duplicitous factors, but as a whole, with the paranoia being a way of life more or less, for your species, can the be redeemed from it? Could Vulcan and the UFP ever be allies with them?) --and, perhaps most curiously, could they ever trust others one day?

Well, now THAT is a question indeed.


“In order to answer your question, I suppose I will have to dissect it. You are asking me if I believe that my people can be trusted. I assume you mean by outward forces, i.e. could humans fully trust the Romulans etcetera. First off, it is not wise to place a blanket question over an entire species. I am perhaps an example that not all of us have the same agenda. I understand your question, however. Paranoia is a hard-driven aspect of the Romulan heart. It, as much as this may irritate people who do not understand, has helped the Romulan Star Empire become one of the most powerful forces in the quadrant. That being said, it also has caused a number of rifts in terms of politics. The Tal Shiar are one of the reasons that the Romulan people live in fear of stepping out of line. 

As for being ‘redeemed’… Ensure that you realize that simply because you do not like the way a people live or feel does not mean that they have to change. You do not have to be friends with those kinds of people, no. The Romulan Empire does not make allies easily. They conquer or they create borders like the neutral zone. They want to be left alone, and thus their paranoid attitude help in keeping people away. Currently on Romulus, however, things are beginning to change through things such as the underground movement that desires re-unification and peace. Young people can be more open-minded. Thus, the answer to that section of your question is a slow and gradual ‘yes’.

Ah, on the topic of Vulcan and the UFP… Negotiations for an alliance between the RSE and the UFP would be lengthy, drawn out and possibly pointless, but that does not mean I do not advocate it. Turning each others’ hair grey each time a ship strays close to the border and risking war each time is not going to be beneficial in the long run to either party. Could the UFP and Vulcan become allies with the Romulans? Possibly. Perhaps not yet; they may not be ready to take on such an enormous task. But yes.”

Verelan paused from her speech to sit down and rub her forehead. “Could they trust others again? I myself, although I dislike admitting it, do not fully trust anyone. I consider it rather foolish to trust someone totally. An unguarded cup is the easiest to poison. The Romulans have had enough reason to not trust any member of the federation as far as they can spit. People discriminate against Romulans often as badly as they do other species. How would you, greyface, feel toward other people if all you’d ever known from species other than your own was prejudice and rejection? I am certain you would begin to be distrustful of others. I am not seeking to cover up the aversion to the Federation by the Romulans, nor the aggressive acts that they have taken against starfleet, no by the Federation to the Romulans. The first cloaking device Starfleet ever got a hold of was stolen without provocation in a mission sent by starfleet. When a people do things like that to you, and you reciprocate, how indeed are you to trust them?

“The Romulans will begin to trust the Lloann’mhrahel when both forces can drop the paranoid and sneaky pretense that they both hold against each other.”

Verelan nodded curtly at the greyface, then turned to leave and get a drink of water for her now-dry throat.

the-devilish-romulan replied to your post:

“When it comes to people like Vreenak, my method of avoiding being walked over or manipulated can come across as provoking,” Verelan replied with a shrug. “I am sorry that your own encounter with the senator was less pleasant,” she added sincerely.

*Tal'kaela looks as if she’s getting ready to say something defensive when she realizes that Verelan is being sincere*  Well, I… *she’s unsure how to respond*  I don’t know if I’d call your encounter pleasant, either.  But maybe you’d be a little safer if you at least heard him out.  If he wanted you dead, it would be as good as done, but obviously he has another reason for seeking you out…