render to caesar

Entry #27: At Las Vegas’ Caesars Palace to receive an award (at a ceremony he doesn’t attend because he’s busy playing craps), Tony Stark quotes The Gospel of Matthew 22:21 to Julius Caesar and Cleopatra impersonators in ‘Iron Man’ (Favreau 2008), handing the former his award statue:
STARK: “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s.” There you go.
Contributor: Vince Tomasso

anonymous asked:

I got into an argument with someone the other day who claimed Jesus supported capitalism, quoting the verse "Give unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar." I really wasn't sure of a comeback even though I can't ever imagine our Lord being in favour of this. Thoughts?

It’s weird how that person used that verse to argue for Capitalism because what Jesus said really has nothing to do with that ideology. Yeah, sure it could be used as an argument for “respecting authority” or whatever, but that’s… just not relevant for what you were arguing.

Of course, that doesn’t mean the verse should be left unexplained. There is context with everything in the Bible, and I will do my best to give some for Mark 12:14-17:

Then they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Him in order to trap Him in a statement. They came and said to Him, “Teacher, we know that You are truthful and defer to no one; for You are not partial to any, but teach the way of God in truth. Is it lawful to pay a poll-tax to Caesar, or not? Shall we pay or shall we not pay?” 

But He, knowing their hypocrisy, said to them, “Why are you testing Me? Bring Me a denarius to look at.” They brought one. And He said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” And they said to Him, “Caesar’s.” And Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were amazed at Him.

Okay, let me just say from the start, that this is a wildly (and purposefully) vague statement. People wanted to get Jesus in trouble by making him openly defy the Roman Empire; Jesus basically says “fuck that” and says some vague shit that has given theologians nothing but a headache trying to decipher. Jesus doesn’t define what is and what isn’t Caesars but rather leaves his statement open-ended.

I personally interpret it as subtle resistance. Pay attention to the phrase stated after the fact: “and to God the things that are God’s.” Jesus being a Rabbi and all, he quotes the Psalms a whole bunch. Here is two you should keep in mind:

The earth is the LORD’s, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it; for he founded it on the seas and established it on the waters.  

Pslam 24:1-2.

The heavens are Yours, the earth also is Yours; The world and all it contains, You have founded them.

Psalm 89:11

So, does Caesar truly own anything? :)

Anyway, don’t worry about Jesus being a capitalist! Scripturally speaking, Jesus is pretty damn anti-money/wealth:

Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property. 

And Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. “Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

Matthew 19:21-24

and my favourite:

No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

Matthew 6:24 

anonymous asked:

I've followed for a long time but... honestly, the self righteousness when it comes to capitalist ideology and the blatant ignorance of "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's "? Jesus literally meant that the taxes you are charged are not theft but that the money belongs to that which distributes the funds according to where it is allocated. Aka, if the government chose to get more taxes from those who can afford to pay more in order to benefit the greater good, they aren't stealing from you. Bye

Many people living in Jesus’ day believed the Messiah was coming to overthrow the Roman government. Obviously, He wasn’t, but because of this misconception many people tried to trap Jesus into making statements against the government, especially against taxes. He said what you quoted in response to someone asking a “gotcha” question about paying taxes. 

And actually, Roman taxation was extremely corrupt. It was commonplace, even expected for tax collectors to cheat people or overcharge them, pocketing the extra money or not giving all of what was owed to the government. In fact, Jesus’ answer may have even been a side jab at those tax collectors, reminding them that the money wasn’t theirs to keep. 

Jesus did not come to overthrow or even change the government. His kingdom is much higher and more powerful than any earthly nation or government. 

This is what bothers me so much about people who try to equate America with the chosen people of Israel, as though God’s covenant with ancient Israel somehow applies to America (it absolutely does not). America is just one of many governments under which God’s people have lived. God does not call upon us to overthrow our government and establish a theocracy, no matter how oppressive or contrary to His will it is. He calls on us to love our neighbor and confess the faith where we are, even if under an oppressive government that would mean death. 

That means it is not the Church’s job to “make America great again” or anything like that. It is the Church’s job to deliver the Word and Sacraments to God’s people and speak the truth.

Now, while we are Christians first, we are also Americans. We have the rare opportunity to live under a government in which we have ways to peacefully impact how we are governed. At least, we have had this for most of our country’s history. 

Taxation has always been theft. In Jesus’ time, opposing taxes would have meant a revolt against the government, which is not what Jesus was there to do. In our time, in America, it means advocating for tax reform that allows taxpayers greater input into how much tax is collected and how their taxes are spent, as well as greater transparency and reduced waste of our taxpayer dollars. 

“'Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and to God that which is God’s’: the coins of the earthly kings bear their mark, Man bears the imprint of God’s Image. He belongs to Him solely and totally; and nothing, no effort,
no sacrifice is too great to render to God what is His.

This is the very basis of an ascetic understanding of life.”

~Metropolitan Anthony of Sourouzh

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anonymous asked:

so your anti Muslim in general I'm guessing from that statement? if I'm not mistaken you think all Muslims are terrible because a group of terrible people who happen to be Muslim did a terrible thing? in that case how do you feel about Christianity and their extremists? are all Christians evil because of the actions of a few? do you treat other belief systems with the same disdain or is it just Muslims in general?

Where did I specify Muslims?  I was detailing what Islam proclaims.  Islam is an idea, a religion.  Muslims are people.  This is the bullshit reason why people try and conflate Islamophobia with ‘hatred of Muslims’.

By your knee jerk reaction, you’re effectively making sure Islam can never be criticized because you conflate Islam with Muslims.  Nobody else does this. Antisemitism is the hatred of Jews, not the criticism or dislike of Judaism.

And so going by that, lets compare Christianity to Islam.

Christianity was born and raised under the thumb of the Roman Empire.  Jews, and later Christians, could not rise up against the Romans without being exterminated like pests in response.  Ergo, the faith actually survived because it was a subservient faith, meant to integrate.  

“Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s” is the epitome of Christian doctrine’s call for submission to outside forces.  It doesn’t matter what anyone actually does with the text.  It doesn’t matter what whack-job does in the name of Christianity.  What matters is what the text actually says.

Meanwhile, a Islam was raised on a steady diet of conquest.  Islam didn’t have to be submissive, it was the one forcing submission on others.  It was spread, by its prophet, by the edge of the sword.

Islam, as a religion, acts as an imperialist ideology that doubles as a political ideology, which is why you have Sharia Law.  It is why you have codified castes based on faith, with those who aren’t Muslim being considered an untermensch.  It is why the Quran demands that Muslims fight non-believers.

The Quran and Hadiths are full of awful fucking shit.  More so than the New Testament.  You can bitch all you want about “Christian Terror” or some shit, but between the Bible and the Quran, which actually supports said actions? 

Bad people will find justification to do bad things.  The difference is that when you have a holy book specifically telling its followers to DO BAD THINGS, then it is the religion’s fault.  

I’m criticizing Islam.  Not Muslims.  And if you can’t separate the two, you’re a collectivist idiot who doesn’t want Islam to reform in any way.  People like you don’t even fucking bother to know what you’re talking about before you leap at the chance to feel virtuous.

So take your whataboutery and fuck off.

Christians render to Caesar only what belongs to Caesar, not what belongs to God. Christians have at times throughout history been unable to comply with demands made by Caesar. From the emperor cult of ancient Rome to the totalitarian regimes of the past century, Caesar has tried to take the place of God. When Christians refuse to bow down before the false gods proposed today, it is not because of an antiquated worldview. Rather, it is because they are free from the constraints of ideology and inspired by such a noble vision of human destiny that they cannot collude with anything that undermines it.
—  Benedict XVI,’ A time for Christians to engage with the world’, Financial Times. 19 December 2012.

anonymous asked:

Do you think Mark 12:13-17 means that Jesus is an advocate for a government that completely separates church and state? I have often wondered if he wants the church and state to be one, because government is so corrupt that it often ends up poorly representing religion of any kind. I'm not sure if there's another passage where he says otherwise. Your thoughts would be appreciated :) thanks!


The passage you bring up, “Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, but to God, what belongs to God” is not meant to be a commentary on the separation of church and state.

It is meant to be a warning from Christ that Christians should not use religion as an excuse to shirk their civic and patriotic duties (e.g. “I’m a Christian so I don’t have to pay taxes to a non-Christian government”). Christians should contribute to their country and support their government in what concerns affairs of the common good.

First of all, in the time of Jesus, the concept of the “separation of church and state” was not only not enforced, the very thought was inconceivable. There was no idea even that a state or monarch could be secular and not involved in religion.

In the ancient world, the civil rulers also acted as priests and religious leaders at the same time. They were Monarch-Priests. They not only promoted religion, all sorts of religion, but anyone in ancient Babylon, Egypt, Greece, or Rome, who was seen as an “atheist” was seen as worthy of death. For example, the great philosopher Socrates was sentenced to death for the crime of “impiety” or offending the gods of Greece.

The Roman Emperor was called “Pontifex Maximus” or supreme high priest. So when Christians refused to worship the gods of Rome, the emperor saw them as outlaws and branded the early Christians as “atheists” (for offending the gods of Rome). The Egyptian Pharoah and King of Israel saw themselves as men who lead their people in prayer and worship, and as monarchs they were financial supporters and guardians of the temples of their land.

The Temple of Jerusalem that Jesus prayed in was built by King Solomon and restored by King Herod, in fact. 

However, a modern partnership between the Catholic Church or churches in general and a secular government may not be helpful to weed out corruption.

In my opinion, the cause leading to corruption is the temptation to steal money collected by the government, or to use political power to silence enemies. The presence of Church leaders in government may make government less corrupt, or it might infiltrate the Church with all manner of sinful temptation and conduct. God bless and take care, Fr. Angel

Never go home again

Our lives are not what we thought they were. 

That’s part of the trick the world plays on us. And I’m not talking about the universe, I’m talking about the very precise delineated cultural expectations we are inculcated with, the depth and breadth of our personal sphere of influence. 

Certain things that are impressed upon us from birth, which form the bedrock of our society and culture, are based upon misapprehensions.

And when we encounter something from the Otherworld - which is in fact, merely a distancing technique, since all that wyrd, primal stuff is right in here with us, and we were never ‘safe’ to begin with..well

That’s why magic is an attack on reality. Because ‘is’ splits, forks, shifts. Reveals itself as a fleeting ephemeral image that dances away with mocking glee, some pied-piper playing a tune that seizes the hind-brain. Some come-hither-maiden, some curly headed sly fellow, some old wanderer beckoning you to follow amidst a troupe of spirits with their own agenda.

Bilbo was never the same, was he? Neither Frodo, nor Sam; Merry and Pippin become something else too. The Ring might be melted in the fires of Mount Doom, but it’s the Hobbits that pass through fire and come back changed, more themselves than they ever were.  And what, do we think the Sackville-Bagginses of the world thought, long after those tales were mere poems and stories?

Structures are reconfigured - Tolkien knew this intuitively. He knew the heroic tales of the North like the back of his hand, felt their pulse under fingertips stained by pipe-tobacco. He looked about him, and saw, not the lack of an English mythology, but the cultural amnesia.

Because the first and greatest act of magic is remembering who you are.

Reaching back, extending backward, to make electric contact with the days of Future-Past.

Through the dark of futures past, the magician longs to see. One chants out between two worlds, fire walk with me! - Twin Peaks

Hold still then, close your eyes, and there in the darkness, remember.

Remember all poetry, all song, all magic, all might, may-hap and may-be comes from the place which loops over and under your very skin, in the spaces between your recognisable, coherent thoughts.

Mountains are made there. The sky darkens as wolves and jaguars eat the sun, or pull it into the sea. The streets you walk along contain seeds of shadow, waiting to blossom, to scent the lightning tang which containsthe serpent’s venom-sting, which lies behind and beneath all human artifice.

There are indeed things humankind was not meant to know, and this is not some hierarchical divine fiat, but a simple understanding - when you have the knowing of certain kinds, you are no longer what would ordinarily be considered human. Your days as a two-legs are done, and only then are you aware of the subtler powers of the mask. 

You will walk amongst them, but you will never be one of them again.

Because you never were.

The sheer ontological shift will render you, will rearrange your priorities and values. The unnecessary, formerly so beloved, will fall away -and you will no longer care.

All that matters is that flame, that Eros which draws you ever on, the flickering cunning torchlight held in the house of princes, the agony of fever and sickness which sets you to sleep and chafe and dream strange dreams .It sits at the heart of every atom, a  crystalline shine, sunlight endlessly refracting of a million facets.from its position in the centre of the very earth.

Ἀπόδοτε οὖν τὰ Καίσαρος Καίσαρι καὶ τὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ τῷ Θεῷ (Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s)   

And to whom do you pay tribute? Whose head is on the coin of your Soul?

Whose blood-salt sea do you sail, dark as wine?

You will be asked to leave the premises behind. The landlord has called time on your intoxication. All that lies ahead is a dangerously seductive and joyful sobriety, available only to to those who purge themselves. Cast into the street, there’s only the strong hand of wild and feral creatures of thorn and ash  to hold back your hair and whisper in your ear with honeyed lullabies.

Oak-strong, with feline grace, they carry you away, supporting you with lithe bodies, until, like Samson, you rage and bring their temple down upon your head.

And there, amidst the masonry and bones - now indistinguishably stained as the inner becomes the outer, its secrets now revealed - there lies a sense, not of self, but of Being. 

Our lives are not what we thought they were. We die and are reborn, moment to moment, our hands and hearts open. All is flux. This to shall pass. We possess nothing, except our very Selves, the starry constellation of eternal, recurring possibility

Our lives are not what we thought they were. And neither are our many deaths.

Bible Says Obey Earthy Authorities

“Some read the phrase “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s” as unambiguous at least to the extent that it commands people to respect state authority and to pay the taxes it demands of them. Paul the Apostle also states in Romans 13 that Christians are obliged to obey all earthly authorities, stating that as they were introduced by God, disobedience to them equates to disobedience to God.“

Christians like Kim Davis have no use the Bible or quotes by Jesus. They use religion to protect their hate and poison, going so far as to call themselves martyrs.

Redemption Song

This essay is going to be a little bit different in that I’m not going to do a blow-by-blow account (or fireball-by-fireball account, in Regina’s case) of where the villains stand on their road to redemption. Instead, I’m going to talk about the different TYPES of redemption.

I’m seeing an ourobouros of hate on my dash that goes something like this:

  • Rumple fans: Rumple-Bumple may have killed his wife but he never hit a woman!
  • Hook fans: Killy-Willy may have hit a woman but he never slaughtered the peasants!
  • Regina fans: First of all, you will address her as “Your Majesty” and second of all that was soooooo season 2!

As with any discussion, it pays to define your terms: I think what people are REALLY arguing about is what redemption means to them. To help things along, here is my list of the types of redemption:

  1. Noir– There IS no redemption, only time spent before your inevitable and painful doom as your past catches up to you
  2. The Blue Fairy– You can be redeemed by trying to make it up to everyone you’ve wronged
  3. The Little Mermaid– You can be redeemed after hundreds of years of selfless service and good works
  4. Return of the Jedi– You can be redeemed by one gigantic act of self-sacrifice (but you’ll probably be dead afterwards)
  5. Drown in My Own Tears –You can be redeemed by suffering. Lots and lots of suffering.
  6. Blues Brothers– You can be redeemed by a higher power.

Ready? Buckle your enchanted seatbelts ‘cause we’re going on a ride to Redemptionville (population: WHO KNOWS?).

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anonymous asked:

Phew, maybe we'd be able to understand better if you provide a worst-case scenario example of the dangerous proverb that you explained. (I'm NOT the same anonymous) Sorry if I'm asking too much of you. I can never tell how easy things are to explain when someone knows something I don't.

Example? Okay: The “Historical Jesus” fallacy that many Christians unfortunately fall for. Be warned, lots of words.

TL;DR People twist Jesus to suit their ideology instead of changing their ideology to suit Jesus.

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