As a YOI fandom grandparent, I felt it was my duty to write out all the fandom explosions for the newer fans who weren’t there to witness the big bang and gradual week-by-week creation of this universe. All the arguments, people blowing things out of proportion, blaming characters, death theories, awesome fans clearing up miscommunications, YOI breaking the internet…
This isn’t a post to call out specific people on their arguments and theories - I’ll stay respectfully away from restarting flames and picking fights, thankyouverymuch. Rather, this is an overview of the topics and conflicting views that swept across hundreds and thousands of people and prompted strong reactions. I’m doing this now, because I know that 6 months later, 1 year later, 3 years later, etc. there will be new fans who will have many of the same exact arguments.
We’ve been there and done that.
I see fans now who say things without knowing where the spelling/quote comes from, or who don’t realize how much has changed, or don’t know why there are certain perceptions of characters. So here’s a little bit of passing down history.
I also don’t want to forget the crazy ride this was. Laugh with me at the silly theories; smile with me at how deeply YOI has impacted our lives.
For those of us old-timers, let’s take a trip down memory lane. Remember when…
—————- (Large arguments will be italicized or bold. Special thanks to @sachiro for reminding me of a bunch of stuff I missed, and looking over the draft in its various stages of being written and edited.)
Idea that there would be a love triangle (Yuri P.–Yuri K.–Victor)
Some fans started spelling Yuri Katsuki with two “u” in order to tell them apart.
Victuri ship name created for Victor x Yuri K. (in a comment to the PV)
“lol ‘Yuri’ on Ice? Where are all the lesbians?”
“When it said Yuri on Ice, I thought we would get girls. Y’know what I mean?”
“Yuri on Ice? More like Yaoi on Ice! amiright?”
J.J. misspelling (English spelling “Jean Jack” instead of French Canadian “Jean-Jacques”)
you can see the remnants of this in the audience banners during the episodes, but it was corrected to “Jean-Jacques” on the official website and the in-show text
Phichit x Seung-gil ship created (there was more art for this than for Victor x Yuuri)
Victor vs. Viktor spelling arguments
Although “Victor” is the official spelling and seen in-show, people argued that the creators are wrong and that we fans know better than them about Russian culture - thus the “Viktor” spelling was born.
People argued back that spelling is subjective and you can spell a name multiple ways and still be correct - thus transliterating his Russian name into English as “Victor” would be just as acceptable.
The YOI wiki held fast for a time on using official spellings and information from the official website, but the transition of power led to a new team that started using agreed-upon info rather than solely using official info. “Viktor” replaced “Victor” on the website.
this change from “Victor” to “Viktor” on the wiki happened around episode 2~3, but the arguments were in the page comments since episode 1 – with moderators explaining their reasoning with sticking to official sources.
Victor is a flirtatious over-the-top character who will seduce Yuuri
Victor is the overwhelming seme and Yuuri is the shy whimpering uke.
when you’re in a really tiny fandom/ship a really rare pairing and have already read the entire ao3 tag multiple times so you have to start looking for fics on other websites with lower standards of quality:
the worst thing about trying to decide to read a fic:
-the summary is good but the story is written in a different language or is badly written.
-opening it to find no spaces between the paragraphs.
-both your otp and notp is tagged and you have no clue if you want to take a risk or not.
-tagged major character death and you start sweating.
-hasn’t been updated in 80 years but the summary is on point and their the best fucking writer ever.
-you start reading only to find that the person updates every ten years and you just happened to catch them on a day they finally updated.
-you find a writer and check them out, only to find out they mostly write about your notp - and of course they always update, have perfect writing and have stories that are epic.
-stories with so many fucking tags, you just shake your head and move on.
-the “i suck at summaries please check it out still” and you just, pause because it has your otp and you debate whether or not to take the risk.
-you find a pairing you never considered before and think holy shit, that could be hot and spend all day hunting through the tag.
-you ship a pairing so fucking hard, only to find like two fics and you start weeping.
-when you find a perfect story only to check the tags and see some weird shit that disgusts you and you scream why.
-a fic with good writing and summary but it’s so short or is only fan-art.
-a crossover fic where you have both of your fandoms but don’t have both of otps, just one.
-one shots that are so good you wish they were longer.
-when your notp is tagged but it’s labeled as a past relationship or says your otp is endgame, and you have to go through the notp’s awkward breakup in order for your otp to happen.
-when someone doesn’t tag properly and a plot twist hits you and you want to cry.
-you finally find a great fic that has been updated and the last update says writes block, personal issues- can’t do this, asks for co-writer, discontinues it or says lol i hate how this is turning out, deleting.
-when a writer as twenty stories to update and you cry because you like all of them and you have to wait.
-when you remember a story from like five years ago and you search for it, only to find it’s been deleted or can’t seem to find it anywhere.
-when a writer gives you an update schedule and you’re excited because they follow it but then they start missing it and you just…
-when a writer deletes a story and rewrites the same story but you like the original better.
-when your reading a story about a rare pairing that interests and your otp hate each other or just friends and it’s just so weird to read.
-when one half of your otp is in another relationship and the other half shows up with someone else and then you remember, right i’m not reading a story about my otp so i can’t get mad.
-when your otp is popular but it’s not as popular as another ship in the fandom and you hate how the other ship as so much more stories than your ship.
-when you try to read an ot3 relationship because it has two characters you love but the other character is usually from your notp and you hate when your notp share moments.
-when you beg an author (usually one where they aren’t in the fandom really) to write more stories about your otp and they say maybe and it never happens.
-when the writer literally shits on your favorite character and you can’t go through it anymore.
-when your otp isn’t the main pairing and you don’t really care about the other pairings in the story and skip to your otp parts.
-when a story has a million words and it’s so good and you know that you will spend all day and night reading it until your eyes hurt.
-when a story have 200 parts to it and you lose all hope after a while because the story is dragging.
-when your otp is going through something and so many stories are filled with angst, fluff and hurt that it makes you cry because yup, i need to read about my pain for my otp.
-when the writer refuses to write the smut you been waiting for and your otp is stuck in unresolved tension mode forever.
-when the writer unexpected changes the story’s events and you are disappointed by the direction.
-when you find a great au and the characters are so out of character… it makes you sad.
-when you open a fic only to find you hate the point of view and you scream.
-when you request a prompt and the author writes it but you are disappointed and just smile through the pain.
-when you have such a good idea in your head and you try to write it but it’s so bad that you delete it and cry, hoping someone else writes the brilliant idea that you had.
-when you don’t ship something anymore but see a great plot and you click the story and take a deep breath - because shit is about to go down.
-when you reading a great story but get distracted and skip some parts, shit goes down in between and then you think fuck, and have to start over.
-when it’s tagged “slow burn” and you say i can do this and it’s chapter 30 and my ship still hate each other like what.
-when the author says this is their first time writing smut and you think on god they better do this right - only to find out they writing eight pages on your otp making love. like yes.
-when the smut is so rushed or improper you feel cheated and log off because done. like so done.
-when it’s tagged “everyone lives” and your eyes water because that’s all you ever wanted in life.
-when the author leaves a cliffhanger and says in the author’s note “lol sorry about the cliffhanger, i’ll update soon”. you ain’t sorry, stop lying.
-when you see that the story is complete and do a happy dance, only to realize that it ended badly or the sequel/series hasn’t been updated.
there’s a difference between trade scars which can be added per drawing and by how much combat the character is likely to have seen (ie Nico has tons of scars, Clarisse and Annabeth have a fair few, where as Drew and Will probably don’t have as many), and distinctive scars which are noted in the books and can help identify a character. distinctive scars include:
Jason has a scar on his lip (from trying to eat a stapler when he was a baby)
Hylla has a scar across her forehead (from dueling for her and Reyna’s freedom from the pirates)
as of boo Nico has claw scars across his upper arms, probably starting at his shoulders (from killing Lycaon)
Luke has a scar down the side of his face (from a quest to get an apple I think, I don’t remember)
Other injuries that probably left scars:
it’s possible both Percy and Sally have scars from Gabe
Percy’s encounter with the pit scorpion at the end of tlt, on his palm
the ship exploding in som probably gave Tyson quite a few scars
the poisoned blade Annabeth took for Percy in tlo, on her upper arm
anyone in the battle of manhattan probably got a few scars from it
Gwen getting stabbed through the chest with a pilum during the war games in son, probably on her upper chest with a matching scar slightly lower on her back
Hazel’s death, though oil killed her she did die in a cave in and even though she got a new body her scars may have carried over
Nico’s trek through tartarus
when Cupid shot Nico in the shoulder with one of his arrows
Percy and Annabeth’s trek through tartarus
Percy and Annabeth’s encounter with the Arai (the curses of their enemies)
when Jason got stabbed from behind at the beginning of boo, on his abdomen both front and back
the gash on the side of Annabeth’s neck at the end of boo
Leo’s faked death at the end of boo
Jason has a gap in his hair from a bullet as of hoh
Frank is chubby up until hoh when Mars (unfortunately) decides to “fix” him by making him taller and more muscular
for at least the first four books Annabeth is taller than Percy
Percy has a tooth gap
Piper braids feathers from spoils of war into her hair
Hazel is African American
Piper is Native American
Leo is Latino
Reyna and Hylla are Latina (from Puerto Rico)
Frank is Chinese Canadian
Drew and Ethan are Japanese (assumed from their last names)
Nico’s skin colour is never stated, only that he has an olive undertone and that from botl onward he gets steadily more sickly pale (though as of the end of boo it looks like he’s beginning to lead a healthier lifestyle)
Percy’s camp necklace has six beads as of the end of boo
Annabeth’s has at least ten beads and her father’s college ring
Clarisse, Will, the Stolls, and other campers who are assumed to have been there before Percy probably have a similar amount
Jason, Piper, and Leo’s necklaces all have one bead
Nico’s necklace has anywhere from one to three beads on it, depending on whether or not they gave him ones for his aid in the battle of the labyrinth (probably not) and the battle of manhattan (more likely since he stayed for a while after)
both Nico and Reyna have rings that they twist when they’re anxious/thinking, Nico’s is the shape of a skull and Reyna’s has the symbol of Bellona and is most likely a seal ring
Frank’s bow and quiver can turn into a backpack
Frank spends the majority of their journey in pants that are too small for him because Leo’s an asshole (he loses his extra pants to Leo’s bullying in moa and they go clothes shopping for him in boo)
added onto that, Frank spends a while after his transformation in hoh in clothes that don’t fit until they get him new ones in boo
Leo has pointy elfish ears
both Percy and Leo are described as having lopsided, troublemaker grins
Nico is described as having dark bags under his eyes and looking sickly, and post moa is described as extremely malnourished (though this seems to be slowly getting better by the end of boo)
the longer the books go on the tanner Jason gets and the lighter his hair gets
Jason grew up on the coast of CA and probably can’t handle weather or anything under 68° F without many layers
Reyna’s cape is purple and glimmers gold in the light as of Athena’s blessing near the end of boo
Percy’s eyes are sea green
Hazel’s eyes are gold
Piper’s eyes change colour
Annabeth’s eyes are stormy gray
Jason and Thalia’s eyes are electric blue
don’t let the official art constrain your character designs
This is all I can think of right now, if I missed anything or got anything wrong feel free to add to the list/correct me, I’m a little shaky on what happened in what book…
Idk with clubpeguin shutting today i thought I share some memories of this fuckn site
I remember the day I made it. I was at my grandma’s house and I was ten and i started off with a 1 month membership
All the kids at recess would fight over the computers to play it and everyone in my school always went to ‘Tundra’ to play
The site crashing when Rockhopper came and everyone fighting to get on his ship that was hell
The surfing game was my fav and i was so mad when I found out they made survival for paid members
That fuckin flood once and I think an avalanche. I just remember a lot of events happening once
I REMEMBER THAT MISSION WHERE YOU GOT LOST IN THE WOODS EVERYONE I KNEW LOST THEIR BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T KNOW WHAT TO DO AND THEN ONE FRIEND WAS LIKE “i got so scared when i had to burn the book!”
Halloween was always my fav event
Im looking through a book in the game and god, all those events (the earthquake, fairs, fitness games in ‘08
TIP THE ICEBERG
REMEMBER WHEN THE GOLDEN PUFFLE WAS A MYTH AND PEOPLE WHERE LOOKING FOR IT AND THEN YOU GOT ADOPT IT?????
When you could get belts in the dojo and Sensei was hard to beat
I shit you not once when I was with a friend we followed two penguins back to an igloo and hid quite well (they didn’t know we where there) and they started to have like fake sex. Like serious we watched these kids (they had to be kids cause of how they typed) having their penguins take off their clothes and fake having it and my friend then did a “hehe” AND THE TWO OTHER PEGUINS RAN GOD THAT WAS SOMETHING
I stopped playing around the start of HS but holy hell clubpenguin was my childhood and I remember just having so much fun and playing it all the damn time
(add more memories if you want but these are some of mine)
keith, within 0.2 seconds of entering a room: where’s shiro?
the “it’s good to have you back”/ “it’s good to be back” callback in s2
i don’t necessarily think this was their first interaction after being reunited in s1 (like presumably keith gave shiro clothes to change into etc. before this exchange) but i love that they both remembered & referenced it in s2
the fact that keith’s very first scene involves him tenderly touching shiro’s face
how adamant keith is about shiro being the One True Black Paladin™ (”you mean your bayard”)
shiro’s complete and utter faith in keith’s abilities as a pilot / leader:
sending keith to chase rolo through the asteroid belt
having keith pilot them to the BOM headquarters, which is located between two black holes (bonus: the way he’s 100% certain keith can get them back on course when one of the black holes starts drawing them in)
supporting keith in infiltrating zarkon’s ship despite it being dangerous bc his trust in keith outweighs everything
the way keith always rushes to shiro’s defense when he’s incapacitated / out of commission
“at this moment, your friend desperately wants to see you”
the way shiro, who is generally very controlled in his actions, feels comfortable enough to relinquish that control a little and drop his ~leader facade when it’s just him and keith
just overall how soft they are with each other, both in terms of tone of voice & expression
Context: We took 8 sessions (32 irl hours) to deliver a mysterious box to a far away mages guild. Finally, on the last session, 5 out of 6 of the party go to claim the reward, whilst the 6th member (Neutral Good Cleric, who joined the party late and so wasn’t officially on the delivery quest) stays on the boat to help the NPC survivors of our journey, sacrificing his share of the reward in order to help.
*In the Guild*
Guild Member: Thank you for this. We have been waiting an awfully long time for these components.
Rogue: Yes, it was a hard journey. We were told there was a reward?
Guild Member: A substantial one! 60,000 gold pieces will be transferred to your assigned guild bag
Mech Construct and Barbarian (simultaneously): Our WHAT!?
Guild Member: You should have received one at the start of your quest?
Barbarian: We didn’t get a bag!!!
DM: Guys…you remember that bag that you looted off your teammates corpse a few sessions back?
All players begin to remember
DM: Yes, that one. The bag that you…kind of……left on the ship?
Cleric, On the Ship (OOC): I ROLL FOR PERCEPTION!!! *Rolls Mod 20*
DM (laughing): As you pass one of the rooms, you hear a loud thunk and a scattering sound. When you enter, the floor is littered with gold and a strange bag in the corner is filled to the brim
Cleric: BLESSINGS OF NASHAL! NO POOR WILL GO WITHOUT FOOD TODAY!
ENTIRE PARTY RIOTS
(After 10 minutes, the 5 at the guild rolled initiative and started a ‘Rat Race’-style mad dash to the boat, tripping each other up along the way, trying to be the first one to get the 60,000 gold off of the Cleric)
I’d like to start by saying that I’ve seen so many complaints about this particular subject, but it looks like you don’t see them, or more likely, you choose to ignore them.
As a young member of the LGBTQ+ community (you know these people who gather every year during the same season to party on the streets and spread colourful messages everywhere, but also those who ship your best Heterosexual Characters® together), I’ve had the chance to see a few queer characters on TV during my teenage years. I remember the first time was on Buffy The Vampire Slayer when I was only 10 (reruns), and I didn’t even know that I was gay at the time. Then, when I realized my sexuality, I decided to search for shows and movies to watch. And THAT is when I also realized that there was very few LGBTQ+ content available. If you wanted to see queer folks on TV you had to dig really deep.
Lucky for me, around 2010, producers learned that putting gay people in their mainstream shows was attracting a rather important fanbase. So they gave us: Grey’s Anatomy, Pretty Little Liars, Glee, Modern Family, Degrassi, Skins, etc. And we thought “YAY THAT’S MY PEOPLE” and watched these TV shows religiously, memorizing and analyzing every interaction, stare, kiss, date, hand-holding, love scene, thinking that we finally got what we wanted.
Queer characters cheat, break up for no logical reason, end up alone, disappear, or in worst case scenario, die. Because why not, right?
And if nothing happens to our loving LGBTQ+ characters, the show is just canceled, as seen with Faking It and Sense 8.
But, our community is a fucking strong one. When we fight, we put everything we have. There is so little representation of our community that when there is we give all our attention to it. That’s why you lose audience when you make a character disappear or kill it, because if you respect us, then we’ll be the greatest fanbase you’ve ever seen. We’ll spend all our money to go to conventions, buy your merch, buy your DVDs, and your actors will be loved and admired and pushed to the next level thanks to us. If you don’t respect us, then ciao adios we’re done.
So, why? Why do you keep repeating the same mistakes? Why in 2017 (almost 2018), having LGBTQ+ characters is still problematic? Why is it still impossible for a lead character to be queer in a mainstream TV show (except for OITNB, you’re doing great sweetie)? Why is it so difficult for you to consider making a non-canon queer couple canon? I mean, I’m not saying all of them, but when you have ships like Bechloe, Stilinski-Hale, Faberry, Johnlock, Supercorp, (and many others) where thousands and thousands of people believe in it and have countless undeniable arguments in favor of the same theory (and let’s be honest, it wouldn’t even matter that much since it’s sooo obvious), why would it be so stupid to even think about it? Give your series some new sparkly twists goddamit!
Make a queer person angry and you’ll have to deal with the whole squad, and trust me you don’t want to try it. We basically run your series. You should’ve learned with Clexa.
So, you’ll probably never see this because I’m nobody, but if you do please don’t ignore us.
I’m not sure how old you all are or how long you’ve been on Tumblr but I’m assuming a large portion of you have been around long enough to understand what I’m about to say.
I’ve been on this website for the better part of five years and in that time I’ve watched many fandoms I held dear turn sour and toxic at a surprisingly sharp rate.
It’s painful to watch. Don’t make me watch it happen again.
If you’re like me you love Shane and Ryan. You love watching those goofy boys argue and hunt ghosts. That we can all agree on.
Something I can already see small fights starting about is whether or not shipping Shyan is okay.
We need to be more mature than past fandoms have been when it come to shipping real people.
If you’re against the shipping of real people please be respectful of those who do. Go with the classic if you don’t like it don’t look and please don’t attack those who do.
This is how fandom wars start. This is what we don’t want.
Now if you do ship Shyan you also need to be respectful also. You need to not push your ship on those who don’t ship it because at the end of the day we all love the boys. But also remember to be respectful of Ryan and Shane themselves.
I know some may not like to hear this but Shyan is for fun. You can’t go hating their actual girlfriends for getting in the way of your ship. That’s just rude and frankly weird behavior and gives fandoms a bad name.
Also never contact Shane or Ryan about the ship. It WILL make them uncomfortable. This kind of thing is fun and fine between Tumblr accounts but don’t comment about the ship on YouTube videos or their Instagram’s. That’s how these kind of things go from fun and light to toxic.
I’m giving you a small flash into an old ship called Septiplier. It was between two youtuber gamers and for a while it was all fun and games. Even the youtubers joked about in videos but it went from fun to toxic quickly when their girlfriends received death threats and they were hounded about the ship on every form of media. Even now after a year and half since the ship died because both gamers cut nearly all contact with each other to the public the ship is still always talked about. This ruined not only ship but the personal friendship of these two.
This is the last thing we want between Shane and Ryan but trust me it can and will happen if the fandom gets out of control.
So I act you, fellow fans of Buzzfeed Unsolved, to keep a level head. Have fun, make art, make fanfic and crazy theories that Shane is a demon Bigfoot monster but whatever we do, don’t let this fandom become toxic.
I’m not even sure if this was coherent but I’m hoping we can all keep this in mind. Please reblog and share with other fans to spread the word. Likes are fine but get the word around with a reblog. Also feel free to add on if you have anything worth saying.
No matter how many times they’re done, there are a few tropes I’ll read 100 times with the same ship, by 100 different authors.
Here are just a few of those tropes:
1. Fake Dating AU.
Whether it’s a short exchange with a stranger because there’s a creep who won’t stop hitting on them, or a fully planned out, year-long con to fool their family, I can never get enough of these.
2. Trapped in A Small Space Together
Freezing to death in an engine room. Hiding together in a closet to avoid being killed. Locked in a room, running out of air.
No matter the context, this one always makes my day, especially if one of the people trapped isn’t usually big on physical contact.
3. Taking Care of Children Together
Innocent little kids have a way of bringing out the soft side of even the fiercest characters.
4. Unnaturally Truthful
Truth serums, an excess of pain meds, and outside threats are just a few of the ways my beloved ships can be forced to admit things they never would under normal circumstances.
5. Amnesia/Forgetting The Other
Sometimes they hit their head. Sometimes they were brainwashed. Sometimes they died and came back to life.
Whatever the reason, one doesn’t know the other, and the other has to faithfully stick by them, and try to help them remember. (Or start from scratch, befriending them and falling in love all over again.)
6. Grumpy, Distant Characters Turning Into Human Puppies Around That Special Someone
This requires no explanation, I believe.
7. Everyone Knows One Loves The Other
Except, of course, the other.
8. First Kiss Forgotten
Maybe someone was under mind control when it happened, or maybe they just had a bit too much to drink, but Person A remembers Person B kissing them, and Person B has no idea it happened. (Or DO THEY?)
NU’EST W intensely sobbing at their 1st Win in 6 years
When they all saw each other cry, they likely remembered the hard ship of the past almost 6 years, and just lost it. Aron sobbed on the floor, as did JR later, who said on radio his legs gave way he was so full of emotions. Ren saw Loves cry and started bawling, even white tiger Baekho could not hide it. Truly the most emotional 1st win I have ever seen❤️
(p.s someone please make a hq ver. of their reactions)
I love those ships where even when you don’t watch the show, you can still tell that they’re meant to be and their chemistry and the gif sets people make are the sole reason you start watching the show