You seem like an intelligent and compassionate gal, I was curious about what you thought of veganism? Why are you not vegan if that's not a weird question?
“why are you not vegan” is
definitely a weird question. Really, the answer is simple–on the base level I
don’t have an ethical connection to meat or eating animal products, although I
admit that contemporary farming conditions need to be changed. I could talk
circles around why I do or don’t agree with veganism in the environmental or
economic sense, but there are arguments on both sides and really, at the end of
the day, the difference between myself and a vegan is that I don’t mind eating
animal products. I have gone vegetarian before but my relationship to eating
regular, cost-effective meals is tenuous as it is so keeping myself fed has
been historically more important to me than cutting out various ingredients. If
I did go vegetarian or vegan it would be to lose weight and be healthier, but I’m
already not the healthiest eater, even with animal products in my diet to
provide easy sources of protein, etc, and as I said before, I think that philosophical
difference always prevents me from sticking to a vegan diet. I would like to be mostly vegetarian some day because it certainly helps my brain to function better.
That said, I do have some
convictions about vegan culture specifically. I don’t really subscribe to the
idea that veganism is only accessible to wealthy white people. However, I
genuinely don’t believe an individual’s consumption impacts a larger structure,
or rather, that this is the most effective way to change a structure. and
further, I believe that the large number of issues with American food culture
are not caused by meat consumption, although meat consumption certainly
is a system that is bloated and harmful–– I would argue that this
is a capitalism thing, not a meat industry thing. I believe in sustainable
local eating, putting an end to overproduction of ALL food goods, fair pay for
farm workers, and the preservation of indigenous or cultural food traditions
(THIS is one issue where radical white vegans and I tend to loudly disagree; I am extremely opposed to the idea that
everyone should be vegan because there many traditional dishes and cuisines that
are cultural and should be respected and preserved). I think that it’s
important to work with the land you’re on; American food culture does not do
this, and I believe that having soy products instead of meat products in every
grocery store will not solve this problem.
Tofu Guys Don't Eat Meat by Vicki Woods for Vogue, May 1990 (Part III, final)
We hung out all day. We hung out at the vegetarian lunch place, where we ate falafel and tahini, and a blushing girl asked River for his autograph. We hung out at Gainesville’s sound studio, where River picked up fifty copies of the tape of his new song and asked the engineer to play it for me on the studio equipment. It came soaring out, full of guitars and drums, but River said it wasn’t loud enough. We hung out at a frat party in one of the millions of frat houses that run through the center of Gainesville. That was weird. Lots of cheerful kids of River’s age and with River’s dress sense were setting up amps and drum kits to play for the party, while the athletic denizens of the frat house sat around on their balconies combing their golden hair.
We didn’t stay anywhere very long. We hung out at River’s house while Arlyn got a meal together for her son, me, and a twenty-year-old girl from England who’d met the Phoenixes in Mexico. The meal was radically vegan, organic, animal-by-product-free, and delicious, in fact. Arlyn, a chunky, smiling woman with graying hair, explained to me about milk while she squished tofu, colored yellow with turmeric, into a skillet to make an eggless omelet. “Why should adult humans drink milk?” she said. “Human milk is for baby humans, cow’s milk is for baby cows.” It was unarguable.
River clearly adores Arlyn, who does a great job as mother Phoenix. Her children are all beautiful and they seem as happy as clams; also busy, musical, drug-free, and polite. River gave me another long riff on drugs: he works in cocaine country, after all, on film sets. He said he becomes completely paranoiac in Los Angeles. “People look at you if you have a cold: you feel you can’t blow your nose.” And he can see the hand-shaking and hand-passing that goes on at parties. “I just stay away from it,” he said, “I don’t even like talking about it. It depresses me. The biggest thing that really gets me are the girls… because of being used, the way men use women. It really upsets me - the wonderful extra-virgin-olive-oil young ladies, who are so wholesome and so together and their heads are on tight, and you see them a year later and they’re” - River puts on a blank, empty face and round, blank eyes - “and all they’ve got left is just a recorded message in their heads.” He was very earnest about this. Then he listened to his own earnestness, said, “Uh-oh, I’m going to segue out of this,” put on another face, and drawled, “Nancy’s said it all for me, anyway. Just say no.” I thought the whole performance was really endearing.
The last place we hung out was with some very laid-back musicians. River bounced up the steps of a frame house in Gainesville’s main street and said, “Hi, guys”. The guys said hi and looked at me. River looked at me, too, and was socially wrong-footed for the first time in a long day. “This is… my aunt,” he said. “From England.” The guys said hi. As we left, River grabbed my arm and said, “Sorry about the aunt bit. I’ll explain it to them later."
He gave me a big kiss and drove me back to the hotel. I was charmed.
I just want to make it clear that I’m not against vegetarians or vegans. Eat what you like! Think for yourself! Make your own mind up once you’ve looked at each side. What I am against are radical vegans who spread propaganda and actually sabotage family farms. If you are a vegan who is well educated on the topic and refrain from hitting reblog every time an unsubstantiated “fact” comes from PETA, then GO YOU! You are awesome. Have a cute panda:
I've been following your anti-radical-veganism rants, and 1) I love them, and 2) I just wanted to suggest to people who say "then what can I do" to please VOTE in every election. I just had a local election where I live, and in my district, only 56 out of 1,000 voted. I was livid. Like, I saw all these people complaining about "there's nothing I can do," and those same people didn't vote. The people you vote for could actually make those changes you want when they are given a chance.
do you have any recommendations for other vegan radical feminist tumblrs? nothings more of a buzzkill than a radfem blog i respected shitting all over vegans
I totally feel the same way–it’s so demoralizing to hear nonsense anti-vegan rhetoric coming from radfem sisters. However, everyone can change their mind–I was an unapologetic meat-eater for a long time before going vegan, so there is hope. Here are a few vegan radfems out there that I know of:
I still want to know what do vegans think about the fact that farms produce food not only for humans but for carnivorous pets as well. I barely see this topic popping out, except for cases with radical extreme vegans who torture their cats and dogs by forcing them vegan diet. But radicals aren’t majority of vegans.
It’s somehow possible for humans to get rid of meat. But what our pets are going to eat? It would be hard for them to hunt for food, especially in big cities.
I like how Old Friends Senior Dog Sanctuary transcends everything on Tumblr. You can check out any kind of blog, whether it be a left-wing SJW blog, alt-right blog, black militant blog, white supremacist blog, atheist blog, religious blog, anarcho-capitalist blog, communist blog, nationalist blog, MRA blog, radical feminist blog, vegan blog, otherkin blog, furry blog, or any fandom, and every one of them will have love for Old Friends Senior Dog Sanctuary.
Gives me a slight hope for the future of humanity.
I noticed that the kids eat really well when I just allow them to graze all day in the garden, but when we’re stuck indoors, they don’t want to eat anything except peanut butter and jelly sandwiches or toast with Earth Balance. So I started nonchalantly leaving bowls of fruit and vegetables around the kids’ play spaces, and now they eat the good stuff all day long! I also leave out a bowl for “food trash” so they can discard stems or “yucky bites” and then I share that with the chickens. So stoked this is working!
Here are the boys enjoying some veg and Winnie the Pooh while I scrambled to meet a deadline. And since I’m sharing food pics anyway, here was my lunch this afternoon. All the vegetables are from our farm and the bread is from a local bakery. This is the first time I’ve intentionally eaten cucumber on a sandwich, and it was so good. I’m not nearly as into eating vegetables as the boys, but I’m learning to love it.
I hear this a lot where people say that if you don’t eat meat, it doesn’t mean that less animals die. However, this is wholly untrue. As consumers, we have a huge amount of power. If consumers choose one thing over another, the chosen product becomes more valuable.
One consumer making a choice not to eat meat may seem like it has little to no impact, but in fact, with that choice, meat gets less valuable and the alternate products get more valuable, because they are being bought more. Over time, that consumer has withheld their support from the meat industry in terms of a very significant amount of money.
This money lost by the meat industry prompts a signal–the value is dropping, and in order to keep products on the market “fresh” or available for their specific amount of time, they must make less products, effectively taking a toll on the meat industry, and limiting their resources. It also prompts a signal to stores that stock their products, saying these products aren’t selling as well. Therefore, we need to stock less of them and respond to the growing call for vegan products. That one choice is important, and over time, is huge. You are actually taking away your financial support of this industry.
Think of it as any boycott–the more people join in, the more that company/organization sees that their products are being devalued, and takes a step back from what they’re doing. This prompts change. Your not eating meat does more than take away financial resources from the companies–it opens other peoples’ eyes about cruelty and conditions, as well as health and environmental factors concerning eating animal flesh. Everything starts somewhere–with that one person, that one consumer–you.
have you ever noticed how aggresive online vegans are like whenever a vegan comments on a video on someone who sick of the way vegans behave the vegans comment gets a shit ton of likes like yikes bitch please...
I think there are many vegans who do it to assure themselves they love animals and then a minority of those people become radical vegans such as the ones you describe.