veganism is, as defined by the Vegan Society, “a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose.” it’s not just a diet, it’s an animal rights movement that focuses and prioritizes their well being.
however, animal agriculture doesnt just affect animals’ lives. it also affects human lives. how? well, for starters there’s the health aspect. companies spend millions and millions of dollars per year on propaganda to convince us that their products are good for our health. that is a lie. meat and dairy have been shown to increase the chances of developing many types of cancer, diabetes, autoimmune diseases, etc. there are lot of studies to prove this, meat has even been classified by the WHO as a group 2A carcinogen and processed meat as a group 1 carcinogen. so in conclusion, animal products are literally killing us. but at the end of the day, it’s your health and once you know all that information it’s up to you to decide what you want to do about it.
but there’s also the environmental aspect. these are just random facts that i remember from watching documentaries but: animal agriculture produces more greenhouse gases that every single transport combined; its responsible for like 90% of the consumption of water in the us; it’s the leading cause of species extinction and the destruction of habitats bc to feed livestock they have to produce tons and tons of grains (like 80% of soy is fed to livestock in the us); its the main cause of the amazon deforestation; the oceans could be empty by 2050; the methane that cows produce is destroying the ozone layer; and there’s a lot more. so by supporting this industries, you are actively supporting the destruction of the environment and that’s why it’s not just a personal decision (besides the fact that you are killing animals).
these industries also hurt poor and marginalized people. especially, WOMEN and CHILDREN. there are countries that are starving because the food that they produce (grains) is being sold to the us or other ‘developed’ nations to feed their cattle because they can afford meat. they could be feeding themselves instead.
taken from forksoverknives.com: “Surrounded by a host of factors, there are four primary ways food choice affects hunger and food security in developing countries—all negatively impacted by the demand to eat animals.
•1. What we choose to eat in the U.S. and other developed countries drives resource use, food pricing, and policy-making on a global basis.
•2. Our food choices impact decision making for food relief programs and investment strategies for funders of development projects in struggling countries.
•3. Local and regional food choices and adherence to established cultural norms in developing countries drive continued inefficient agricultural practices and resource misuse, impede economic growth, and undermine attempts to improve literacy and human welfare.
•4. Collective worldwide demand to eat animals suppresses education in developing countries to improve their own agricultural systems.”
now the intersection between veganism and feminism. first of all, all ^^ proved that by supporting those industries you are affecting people, and that includes women. most poor people in the world are female. second, to achieve women’s liberation capitalism needs to be abolished. animal agriculture as it exists and works right now, depends on a capitalist system where people who pick up the grains that are fed to livestock are exploited and work in awful conditions, where working in a slaughterhouse is one of the most dangerous jobs in the world, where they are expected to do everything as fast as they can because they are paid based on how much they can do in an hour, resulting in injuries, doing it wrong so the animals might still be conscious when they shouldn’t be, where they exploit children, etc. and all the money goes to the big companies. you can’t get rid of capitalism and at the same time support industries that rely on a capitalist system.
from what i’ve seen on tumblr, most radfems are not vegans. and i’ve seen a lot of anti-veganism sentiment as well. which to me, doesn’t make sense. radfems should be actively promoting ways of living that don’t hurt marginalized women.
I love zines but my problem is this: I think that a Spock/Kirk fanzine written in the 80s by a teenage girl struggling with her own sexuality is more cool and radical than your “polyamory, vegan cupcakes and bicycle activism” zine that you crowdfunded so you could screenprint your shitty line drawing of a skinny white kid in converse sneakers sitting on a sidewalk or whatever onto the covers by hand and then held a launch party for at the most pretentious local cafe you could find. I don’t care which hipster doing their masters in poetry can most impress a bunch of people who are pals with the dude who came up with the concept for a “cultural appropriation award” in Canadian literature with their chapbook that they made by typing every page individually on a hand-built typewriter made of upcycled skateboard parts. I would rather read a thousand overly sincere treatises on Harry Potter coffee shop AU’s than one more “sex positive qu**r smut” zine that dedicates five pages to the idea that consent is totes hotttt and then features some bad comic by someone who everyone knows is abusive. Give zines back to nerds!!!!!!
I noticed that the kids eat really well when I just allow them to graze all day in the garden, but when we’re stuck indoors, they don’t want to eat anything except peanut butter and jelly sandwiches or toast with Earth Balance. So I started nonchalantly leaving bowls of fruit and vegetables around the kids’ play spaces, and now they eat the good stuff all day long! I also leave out a bowl for “food trash” so they can discard stems or “yucky bites” and then I share that with the chickens. So stoked this is working!
Here are the boys enjoying some veg and Winnie the Pooh while I scrambled to meet a deadline. And since I’m sharing food pics anyway, here was my lunch this afternoon. All the vegetables are from our farm and the bread is from a local bakery. This is the first time I’ve intentionally eaten cucumber on a sandwich, and it was so good. I’m not nearly as into eating vegetables as the boys, but I’m learning to love it.
Tofu Guys Don't Eat Meat by Vicki Woods for Vogue, May 1990 (Part III, final)
We hung out all day. We hung out at the vegetarian lunch place, where we ate falafel and tahini, and a blushing girl asked River for his autograph. We hung out at Gainesville’s sound studio, where River picked up fifty copies of the tape of his new song and asked the engineer to play it for me on the studio equipment. It came soaring out, full of guitars and drums, but River said it wasn’t loud enough. We hung out at a frat party in one of the millions of frat houses that run through the center of Gainesville. That was weird. Lots of cheerful kids of River’s age and with River’s dress sense were setting up amps and drum kits to play for the party, while the athletic denizens of the frat house sat around on their balconies combing their golden hair.
We didn’t stay anywhere very long. We hung out at River’s house while Arlyn got a meal together for her son, me, and a twenty-year-old girl from England who’d met the Phoenixes in Mexico. The meal was radically vegan, organic, animal-by-product-free, and delicious, in fact. Arlyn, a chunky, smiling woman with graying hair, explained to me about milk while she squished tofu, colored yellow with turmeric, into a skillet to make an eggless omelet. “Why should adult humans drink milk?” she said. “Human milk is for baby humans, cow’s milk is for baby cows.” It was unarguable.
River clearly adores Arlyn, who does a great job as mother Phoenix. Her children are all beautiful and they seem as happy as clams; also busy, musical, drug-free, and polite. River gave me another long riff on drugs: he works in cocaine country, after all, on film sets. He said he becomes completely paranoiac in Los Angeles. “People look at you if you have a cold: you feel you can’t blow your nose.” And he can see the hand-shaking and hand-passing that goes on at parties. “I just stay away from it,” he said, “I don’t even like talking about it. It depresses me. The biggest thing that really gets me are the girls… because of being used, the way men use women. It really upsets me - the wonderful extra-virgin-olive-oil young ladies, who are so wholesome and so together and their heads are on tight, and you see them a year later and they’re” - River puts on a blank, empty face and round, blank eyes - “and all they’ve got left is just a recorded message in their heads.” He was very earnest about this. Then he listened to his own earnestness, said, “Uh-oh, I’m going to segue out of this,” put on another face, and drawled, “Nancy’s said it all for me, anyway. Just say no.” I thought the whole performance was really endearing.
The last place we hung out was with some very laid-back musicians. River bounced up the steps of a frame house in Gainesville’s main street and said, “Hi, guys”. The guys said hi and looked at me. River looked at me, too, and was socially wrong-footed for the first time in a long day. “This is… my aunt,” he said. “From England.” The guys said hi. As we left, River grabbed my arm and said, “Sorry about the aunt bit. I’ll explain it to them later."
He gave me a big kiss and drove me back to the hotel. I was charmed.
I like how Old Friends Senior Dog Sanctuary transcends everything on Tumblr. You can check out any kind of blog, whether it be a left-wing SJW blog, alt-right blog, black militant blog, white supremacist blog, atheist blog, religious blog, anarcho-capitalist blog, communist blog, nationalist blog, MRA blog, radical feminist blog, vegan blog, otherkin blog, furry blog, or any fandom, and every one of them will have love for Old Friends Senior Dog Sanctuary.
Gives me a slight hope for the future of humanity.
do you think speciesism exist? also your view on like radical vegans? what do you think in about vegans as a whole? I`m a vegan but so many of my friends that are also vegan have such a skewed perception of the world and it irks me a lot. (They also dismiss a lot of things i say as a vet tech about their pet care. Some of them truly don`t know how to care for an animal and won`t listen at all)
Speciesism: the belief that different species are fundamentally different and therefor assigned different rights, values or freedoms based on their species membership.
Of course this exists, but the belief that speciesism is always wrong is not fair.
I think most people that invoke the ‘speciesism’ argument have a narrow definition of non-human species in mind. Interestingly, they are often the same group of people that accuse someone like me of being a pet lover, not an animal lover, because I still consume animal products.
They often think of large, charismatic mammals and birds when talking about non-human species that are discriminated against by speciesist thinking. That’s easy to do when you think about wildlife, pigs, chicken and cattle (gosh I loved working with cows), but harder to do when you think about internal parasites, locusts, the hundreds of mice that lose their homes when a field of wheat is harvested, the demodex mites living on your face that may be responsible for your acne, etc.
I’ve said before that I value the life of the dog infinitely more than the lives of its fleas.
Humans are different. We’re the only species so far wondering whether we should be putting the needs and desires of our own species above others. This trans-species altruism is, as far as I can tell, unique.
Let’s detour to talk about rights for a moment. I’ve always been raised to believe that rights come with responsibilities. You can’t have one without the other.
We have basic rights (sometimes referred to as basic freedoms in animal welfare discourse): free access to water, free access to food, freedom of movement, freedom from suffering/pain/disease and freedom to engage in natural behaviours.
Note that ‘freedom to live’ is not one of those basic rights. Neither is freedom to reproduce.
Those basic rights come with pretty basic responsibilities for an animal. You might restrict that access to food for a pony prone to laminitis, for example. This is because if that animal eats to its heart’s content, it’s going to get laminitis and its hooves will fall off. A patient with a broken limb needs to have their movement confined, at least temporarily, in order to prevent suffering. Reasonable human beings will all agree to these 'rights’ as a minimum. Some will argue that animals should be afforded more rights, depending on where they stand on the animal welfare-rights spectrum.
Humans, in addition to those five basic rights, should also have the right to life and the right to reproduce, but these are not basic rights, they are conditional. The right to reproduce needs to be strictly 'opt-in’ and the right to life should have the option to 'opt-out’, but this is getting wildly off topic so let’s save that discussion for another time.
An animal can’t have reproductive rights because it can’t have reproductive responsibility. A dog will breed twice a year if you let her, and have numerous puppies each time, but she has no means of voluntary contraceptive. Their population control mechanism is basically puppy death. Instead of drowning litters of unwanted kittens, we push to spey cats and prevent their conception in the first place. The animal can’t be responsible, so we are.
If you leave deer and elk to breed freely with no predators, they form mega herds and start stripping trees when they deplete their food supply. They destroy their environment without predators to keep them in check.
Different species also desire different circumstances. A cow might be perfectly happy giving birth in an open field, but a cat or pig will panic in that scenario, and may delay labour.
So saying different species have different rights because they’re not human may be 'speciesist’, but so long as they are afforded those five basic rights I don’t think it’s totally wrong.
Now, where radical vegans will disagree with me is that they don’t differentiate between 'death’ and 'suffering’.
Medically, ethically, philosophically and practically, there are things worse than death. Death is not great, sure, but it’s not the absolute worst outcome that certain animal rights advocates seem to think it is. There are many situations where we as humans might decide that an animal’s situation is so fundamentally unsuitable, or that they are suffering so much that death is s better option.
Here is another point where humans might be benefited by 'speciesism’. A human can say “I want to keep going” or “I’ve had enough” and we are adaptable. A human who is wheelchair bound is likely to still find pleasure in their life, but if you strap wheels to a paraplegic thoroughbred it’s unlikely to go well. (A cow might figure it out though). The human can chose for themselves, the animal usually can’t.
Oh gosh I keep wandering off topic. You can see why it’s taken me so long to write this, can’t you.
Okay, onto the vegan question. Radical vegans versus vegans as a whole vs vegans that don’t adequately care for their pets.
Firstly the vegans that don’t take care of their pets, including those that try to keep cats on a vegan diet: declaring yourself vegan doesn’t mean your diet gives you a free pass at bad things you are doing in any other aspect of your life. Don’t disregard knowledge from people who actually have dedicated their lives to understanding these animals just because you read something from PETA.
Now, onto radical vegans.
In my experience there are two types of 'radical’ vegans. The first type is the newbie vegans, who’ve just made this decision in their life and are just so excited to share their learning with you, they can’t help it. They are so keen all these vegan facts just bubble up out of them. It can get annoying, especially when their facts are wrong or it was something you already knew, but they’re generally doing their own thing, would be super happy if you joined them, and are positive.
Radical vegans I don’t quite understand. It seems like some of them jump from the 'newbie’ stage straight into wielding veganism like a weapon, using it to divide the world into 'us and them’ and turning every meal into a fight. In this world view you are either vegan, ignorant and about to become vegan, or scum. This is the group in which you are most likely to find the individuals that say things like 'don’t trust vets that aren’t vegan’ or 'don’t trust vets because all their medications are tested on animals’. I feel like some are using veganism not because they really care, but so they have something to feel superior about that is socially acceptable, so they can legitimise bullying or aggression.
This is not all that different from radical anything, whether that’s an ideal or a religion.
I have several vegan friends, and take care to incorporate their dietary requirements just as I would someone with a food allergy. The Big Ears Animal Sanctuary, which receives all profits from sales of my book 'Fairy Tales Written By Rabbits’, is a vegan organisation that is very dear to me. My vegan friends and I don’t try to change each other, but we do try to accommodate each other (they actually remember my nut allergy every time).
(As an aside, people can be dickish to vegans and vegetarians. This isn’t acceptable behaviour and can progress to bullying, but doesn’t justify extreme behaviour on either side.)
Additionally, there are always vegans in vet school. Making friends is easier if you have a great vegan cookie recipe, but many of them struggled with certain aspects of the course.
Using animals is part of studying veterinary medicine. It’s unavoidable, but there are ethics committees in place to attempt to reduce the use of animals in teaching, or replace them. For example, some of our 'animal experiments’ we had to do were replaced with videos of those experiments, so the animals experimented on consisted of three mice, once. Most of our tissue experiments were done on organs sourced from abattoirs as waste. If a dog didn’t like it’s heart rate taken too many times, it was swapped out.
Some vegan students, most still in the newbie phase, struggled with certain aspects of the course. We performed anatomy dissections on dead greyhounds, because the industry provides lots of cadavers that are all roughly the same shape and size on a regular basis. Some students were not comfortable with this, because they felt these dogs were killed needlessly, even though they were not killed specifically for our education. The university went to great lengths to find somebody willing to donate their deceased elderly retriever for a dissection instead, that had died for medical reasons.
Personally, I knew these greyhounds hadn’t died for me specifically, but made a promise that for the twelve dogs 'spent’ on my education, I had to save at least twelve more.
Part of our education also involved meat production and abattoir processing. Some vegan students want to refuse to participate in this part of the course, which I think is wrong. It’s still a piece of your understanding. Meat production and the welfare of livestock are often linked, and if you do want to change the industry it’s vital you understand what it is today.
Abattoirs can be confronting, the workline is interesting from a human psychology point of view. If you avoid it, then you’re denying yourself a complete understanding of the world you wish to work in. You shouldn’t avoid that part of the course, and it doesn’t make you bad or impure for going to the abattoir and simply observing.
Be vegan if you want to be, if it makes you happy. Remind your friends that being vegan doesn’t give them a free pass for the welfare of animals directly under their care.
As for speciesism, yes it exists, but it’s not on par with racism, sexism or similar.
TLDR: Animals are not tiny/large humans. Being vegan is fine, being an arsehole is not.
My vision as a Christian who embraces animal liberation is actually pretty simple but it is also entirely subversive: it is to love justice so deeply that species boundaries cannot suppress it; to practice mercy so thoroughly that even other-than-human creatures receive it; and to walk so humbly that I seek to withhold destructive power against an Other because I am human and they are not. It is to transgress a last great separation: to widen the circle to all who embody God’s breath.
Nekeisha Alayna Alexis; for when Christians tell you that caring about animals is unnecessary since God only cares about humans
I hear this a lot where people say that if you don’t eat meat, it doesn’t mean that less animals die. However, this is wholly untrue. As consumers, we have a huge amount of power. If consumers choose one thing over another, the chosen product becomes more valuable.
One consumer making a choice not to eat meat may seem like it has little to no impact, but in fact, with that choice, meat gets less valuable and the alternate products get more valuable, because they are being bought more. Over time, that consumer has withheld their support from the meat industry in terms of a very significant amount of money.
This money lost by the meat industry prompts a signal–the value is dropping, and in order to keep products on the market “fresh” or available for their specific amount of time, they must make less products, effectively taking a toll on the meat industry, and limiting their resources. It also prompts a signal to stores that stock their products, saying these products aren’t selling as well. Therefore, we need to stock less of them and respond to the growing call for vegan products. That one choice is important, and over time, is huge. You are actually taking away your financial support of this industry.
Think of it as any boycott–the more people join in, the more that company/organization sees that their products are being devalued, and takes a step back from what they’re doing. This prompts change. Your not eating meat does more than take away financial resources from the companies–it opens other peoples’ eyes about cruelty and conditions, as well as health and environmental factors concerning eating animal flesh. Everything starts somewhere–with that one person, that one consumer–you.
I don’t know what America you know or what American history you’ve read, that you think our wizarding culture, inherited from our Puritan colonist ancestors, wouldn’t be super isolationist and prejudiced in every possible way.
Purity culture means white dresses and promise rings just exactly as much as purity culture means radical evangelical veganism. This is America. This is what we do here. We denounce our evils, however we see them, as if they’re Goody Proctor come back to us again and again.
(We let in immigrants? Sure. But we build compounds with dogs and barbed wire and stockpiles of shotguns in small towns just a little bit down the road from the edge of anywhere, and homeschool our children to trust no one, and that is us and that is ours and it always has been.)
Of-fucking-course American wizarding culture is going to accept any wizard, from any background, instantly and fully without question. We’re the children of conquerors and slaves and immigrants and native nations. We’re the bits and pieces of everywhere, all mashed together. Muggleborn? Pureblood? Do those words even mean anything, really, when your whole culture only just saw the first needle and thread to begin stitching together its patchwork quilt four hundred years ago?
Of course it would take anyone, just-so-long-as. Anybody can be a wizard, you just don’t ever get to be anything else ever again. Say goodbye to your old muggle life and don’t you ever talk to them, not ever, ever again. You are one thing or you are the other. We don’t do both real well, in America.
(And if you try, well, you’re a threat to our secrecy and our way of life, aren’t you? We’re Americans. We don’t take threats lightly.)
Fucking yes, JKR’s continued extended American canon is racist and appropriative, from an external, authorial level, as a white British woman writing about a conquering colonial legacy can be. Fucking yes, extradiegetically, Doylist-ly, personally, it’s not good and it’s not right.
But I’m so tired of posts about how the in-universe logic doesn’t work just fine.
Vegans on here are like “destroy factory farming!”
And I’m like “Yeah! And the capitalist system that created it!”
And they’re like “What…you mean like get rid of capitalism? No way, you commie! We can totally get rid of factory farms through the companies that like them and get lots of money from them, corporations are people too :)”