racism in the teen wolf fandom

Apparently, as in the Reylo fandom, there’s people who swear there’s also no racism in the Sterek portions of the Teen Wolf fandom either.

And considering we’ve spent the past six years watching fandom tear Scott down at every chance they get and talk so much shit about Braeden (and her actress) because they get in the way of their ship sailing smoothly, that is one hell of a lie.

Or they just happen to scroll past any racism they see…

I mean do these people patting themselves on the back for shutting down “antis” talking about ships like Sterek (which does have a kinda racist fan base the way so many white dude slash ships do…) actually considering using Google to look at people talking about this stuff??

Because if you’re only listening to people telling you that there’s no racism in the fandom… Then you’ve got problems.

Like if you like Sterek, cool. But acting like there’s been nothing racist about Sterek fans over the past six years is basically the fannish equivalent of you sticking your fingers in your ears and humming.


  • White character: *murders an innocent person for power*
  • Fandom: He had no choice!
  • Character of color: *shows mercy*
  • Fandom: How weak, he never did anything!
  • White character: *stalks, harasses, and exploits vulnerable characters, in large part for their own gain*
  • Fandom: He's doing the best he can!
  • Character of color: *hurts someone in the process of saving their life, with the only other option being to let them die*
  • Fandom: He's no better than a rapist!
  • White character: *lies frequently, lashes out at loved ones in anger, and hurts an innocent person just because they are feeling hurt*
  • Fandom: He's been through a lot!
  • Character of color: *takes a while to recover from trauma and assault and needs time to feel safe around a person who tried to kill him*
  • Fandom: He's emotionally abusive! He's manipulative!
  • White character: *manipulates and lies to others*
  • Fandom: He's practical! He's getting things done!
  • Character of color: *manipulates and lies to others*
  • Fandom: HOW DARE HE?!
  • White character: *makes a plan we don't see the entirety of until after it happens*
  • Fandom: How clever!
  • Character of color: *makes a plan we don't see the entirety of until after it happens*
  • Fandom: How manipulative!
  • White character: *murders an innocent member of their family for power*
  • Fandom: He's just trying to preserve the rest of his family and help the community!
  • Character of color: *actually tries to help his family*
  • Fandom: He's selfish for helping his own family instead of everyone else's families!
  • White character: *is actually seen hurting someone in the canon material*
  • Fandom: The show is distorting events to make the hero of the show look like a hero!
  • Character of color: *actually goes through harm and trauma*
  • Fandom: It's made up/exaggerated! They should be able to recover right away!
  • White character: *does something shitty*
  • Fandom: He's traumatized! He has a mental illness!
  • Character of color: *makes a mistake they tried to avoid before it happened and try to rectify after*
  • Fandom: Trauma/mental illness is no excuse for anything!
  • White character: *background or recurring character with a simple/superficial story*
  • Fandom: Here's a million and one headcanons and AUs that we'll perpetuate so far that people don't realize they never actually happened in the show!
  • Character of color: *main character of the show, engaging story line, and deep narrative*
  • Fandom: This character is so boring! Nothing ever happens, he never changes, and he never does anything!

What she says: I’m fine

What she means: I really don’t understand how Kira, a female Asian lead, had her powers revealed and develop in the last season and was literally fucking BOOTED off of Teen Wolf while Peter, a piece of shit character that should be rotting in hell right now (and who literally does NOTHING and DOES NOT contribute anything to solve ANYONE’S problems) was brought back. It’s literally like throwing a diamond away for an ugly ass, deformed rock with dog shit on it.

anonymous asked:

Maybe I'm cynical but people choose a favorite character based on a gut reaction, and consciously or not race does play a part in how easily they can identify with a character. It shouldn’t but it does. That doesn’t mean there shouldn't be representation. It does mean for a fandom to be sustainable, the original material has to either get viewers to identify with a character despite their predisposition or attract fans that identify with them b/c of it. TW obviously hasn't so a question is why.


Let me try to rephrase this so I am sure what you are saying here.  

1.  People choose a favorite character based on a gut reaction.

2.  Race plays a role in that gut reaction.

3.  Representation is a cultural good, but not as important as sustainable fandom.

4.  It is the production’s responsibility to create a character that overcomes people’s race-influenced gut reaction.

I stared at this for a long time as I tried to figure out how to answer this without using a stream of unintelligible words and random gifs.   Below is my attempt.

  1. I agree.  Gut reaction – instinct – plays a huge role in who we identify with.  However, we are not animals.   We are capable of analyzing our own reactions and saying “Why do I feel this way?”  
  2. I am unqualified to talk about any hard-wired biological component to how we handle race between ourselves.  I do know about the cultural mores and how those mores enforce behaviors about race.   We live in a society (I am restricting myself to the culture of the United States, which I know best) that has developed over the course of its existence certain behaviors that prioritize one race over another.  Race influences our gut reaction because we’ve been taught to let it.  Nearly every show we’ve watched, nearly every story we’ve read, has taught us to prioritize white characters.
  3. Representation as a cultural good did not emerge, unbidden, from the void.  It is a conscious attempt to change the cultural mores that influence your gut reaction.  The fact that fandom seems only able to be sustainable if it is focused on white characters is the actual point.   
  4. The production’s responsibility is to tell a good story, to reach an audience, and to make money for its investors.  (As much as some may despise the last motivation, it is what allows these shows to be made.)  The production has to balance its social responsibility with its sustainability.   Viewers are not passive participants in this; there’s a reason shows like the Get Down were not renewed.

 You know, I want to thank you personally for this anonymous question, because, at the base, every word you typed is true.   Fandom doesn’t care that its being influence by socially-constructed concepts that evaluate a person’s value and proper behavior based on race.   They don’t want to hear opinions that tell them that they’re part of the problem.

The idea that advocates of representation and fairness should be quiet and let fandom respect, for example, witty middle-aged white serial killers over the eponymous star of the show is, indeed, cynical.  Dangerously so.

Fandom racism and hypocrisy are really the same everywhere… like, they pretend to not like a character of colour because his personnality/origin story/storyline are boring, but then they go around and give their asshole white fave all of the characteristics of the aforementioned character of colour… like, what is the truth ?

In the Teen Wolf fandom people go on and on about how boring and uninteresting Scott (a brown latino) is, but in the vast majority of TW fics they give Stiles (your basic white asshole) Scott’s personality and journey. Suddenly Stiles becomes kind, generous, sweet, he’s the Real True Alpha, the glue that sticks the pack together - even though in canon these are Scott’s characteristics. And suddenly when these traits apply to Stiles it isn’t boring at all anymore. You wouldn’t believe the amount of Alpha!Stiles and “pack mom” Stiles (also kudos for forcing heteronormative gender roles on Stiles for the sake of your white ship) fanfics that exist out there.

And now it’s the same thing in the TFA fandom. Racists keep saying that Finn is boring, bland, uninteresting, meanwhile Kylo is tortured!! complex!! dark and gritty!! (even though Finn’s backstory is way darker and more tortured than Kylo’s) And now Kylo stans are starting to take Finn’s characteristics, backstory and journey away from him to give them to Kylo. “What if Kylo were taken from Han and Leia as a baby and raised as a stormtrooper ! And when years later he finds his parents he comes back to the light ! Because even though he was raised in a terrible environment he didn’t become a monster ! Can you imagine that ??”

………..Yes my dude, i can, there’s already a character like this and his name is Finn, but you hate him because you find him “boring”. Suddenly everything that makes Finn “boring” becomes interesting when it’s applied to a white man. Hmmmmm, what’s it called again ? oh yeah, RACISM.


My Vulnerability

I hate getting accused of hypocrisy – especially when it is untrue.  Especially if the people accusing me of hypocrisy could have found this out with five minutes of research.

For example, people took a post where I complained that for the hundreds and hundreds of fictions where people explored the Nogitsune trauma, I had found not one single fiction which explored Scott’s trauma for being turned into a Berserker – the completion of a half-season long arc.   Several people jumped on me saying that maybe instead of writing about racism in fandom, I should actually write the fiction I want.

In the last 13 months, I’ve written a half-million words of pro-Scott fiction (I’m not boasting; I’m not sure if that is a lot or not).  I’m not going to promise any of it is any good, because I’m a slow and clumsy writer.   But I’ve been writing, and to accuse me of hypocrisy when it’s not true is irritating.

The amount of bullshit that is curculating in the anti teen wolf tag is honestly amazing. If you wanne hate on teen wolf hate it for the fact that they literally casted aside Scott, their main moc, for Stiles his horrible and annoying white friend. Hate teen wolf for the fact that they wrote Kira, an amazing woc and the only asian cast member, off without giving her as much as a decent good bye to all her friends. Hate teen wolf for casting Kira aside because “they didn’t have enough time to develop a decent plot for her” but they did have enough time to include a brand new nazi cannibal werewolf villain that no one gives a fuck abt. Hate teen wolf for the fact that they have almost no representation for minorities and that they treat the representation they do have incredibly horrible. Hate teen wolf for forcing stydia down our throats whilst Lydia has clearly stated over the seasons that she had never been attracted to Stiles in any way. But instead i see people complaining about pack 2.0 and Mason and Corey and how they’re incredibly boring even though they are farmost the healthiest and happiest couple on the show, not to mention that they are interracial and both mlm! Hate teen wolf for their constant queerbaiting with your oh so precious Stiles! I see people making fun of Stiles’ slavic name. don’t get me wrong i hate Stiles with a burning passion, but calling his name ugly just because your american monolingual ass doesn’t understand it is just not ok. In conclusion: teen wolf/ the tw fandom suck

Okay so let me just get this off my chest before it kills me…

Arden Cho. Arden freaking Cho!!!!

This woman has done nothing but dedicate her time and energy into working for and promoting this shitty ass show…the way she talks about it all the time! how much she loves it and she keeps encouraging everybody to watch it…She talks about how awesome the cast is, the crew, the producers, the writers…she’s constantly going on and on about how great the show is etc

And what the hell does she get in return?! Discrimination!!! Discrimination because of her race and her colour!!!….things she has no control of

Its bad enough that the fandom constantly puts allison on a freaking pedastal that she doesnt deserve to be on…and treat kira like garbage but now the writers/producers and jeff freaking davis is doing it too!!!

Crystal left the show…after signing on to be the lead female character….knowing damn well she’d be expected to be there for more than 3 seasons…Arden has even now still expressed her willingness to be in the show after everything she’s been through!

But still who gets more attention and praise?? And who gets written off for no reason??

Kira has been an interesting and amazing character………………………………..

But a dead character gets more appreciation

a dead character gets more love 

a dead character gets more credit for saving the pack

a dead character gets more screentime

a dead character is talked about more

a dead freaking character evokes more emotion in her boyfriend than her in the episode where she leaves the show indefinitely

And why?? because that dead character is freaking white and she’s not

at this point i shouldn’t be surprised that the teen wolf fandom is still trying to find ways to hate scott, but i still get so angry when i see their reasons.

like i saw one tw blogger that was going on and on about how horrible scott mccall was for taking the money from garrett’s locker bc it was “blood money” and telling him that he shouldn’t use it, that he should get a job and sell some things, like u do realize that both him and his mom have jobs and that’s still not cutting it? his mom has been picking up so many shifts she’s probably on the verge of exhaustion, and scott has school to worry about along with his job, and selling a few things around the house is not going to cut it.  that money he found in the locker is money that his family needs desperately, the cops have no use for it, and it’s not like he’s out spending it on unnecessary luxury items.

and the most infuriating thing about the piece of trash that’s trying to make scott a bad person for keeping the money, is the fact that they never once mentioned how stiles was also willing to keep that “blood money” and use it for his family.  they had nothing to say when their fav white boy was doing the same thing as scott mccall.  and i bet they would excuse stiles’s reasons for needing it too, they probably wouldn’t tell him to get a job (which he doesn’t have a job, so he’s not helping the family money situation at all) or sell some things, they’d go on about how his family is in a desperate situation.

it really does not get more problematic than that, the resident white boy gets a pass for wanting to keep the money bc of his family’s money situation, but the poc and hero of the show gets slammed for wanted to keep the money for the same damn reason.  stop using thin excuses for your racism, and realize you’re wrong.

Now I have a Title

I am planning a big essay on white privilege and Teen Wolf, and now I have a title, thanks to @bigskydreaming :  “And It Was Never Mentioned Again.”

I am planning to put it up after the show is over for the sake of completeness, but today I spent about five hours trying to locate stories AO3 where the focus is Scott recovering from being turned into a Berserker.  I found none.   I found nearly five hundred stories about Stiles recovering from nogitsune trauma and an equal number of stories about Stiles’s sadness about Derek going off with his girlfriend, but not a single one that even tried to write a story focusing on Scott’s emotions concerning his kidnapping, torture and transformation.

Why should they?  The fact that Scott was turned into a Berserker was – you guessed it – never mentioned again in the series.   The fact that Scott died was mentioned three times in season 5B, but the first two instances it was referred to Stiles meeting Theo and the third time it was played for a joke with Liam.  It took us 17 episodes for Scott to actually verbally confirm – yes, he did die.

I really want someone to give me a reason why the writers and fandom ignore it other than racism. I can’t seem to think of one.  I want someone to show me instances where this is discussed on AO3.    That essay’s going to be pretty bleak.

Pro-tip, fandom: if you explicitly say you’re not going to respond to reblogs but leave open two other avenues of communication, then the people who ignore that and reblog and doesn’t approach you on those other avenues of communication are not interested in talking to you, engaging with you, or listening to what you actually have to say. They just want to put on a performance for their own followers.

On an absolutely related note, that’s two more people blocked, one for straight up name-calling, and another for accusing me of being white. If ya’ll wanna talk, most of the other people tagged in that post have demonstrated a fair bit more maturity than you and I still communicate to them regularly, you can relay a message through them, and I’ll unblock if you actually want to talk.

phoenix-ace  asked:

I think it is funny how they say fans of color are making them racists towards characters of color. Because when they say that they're really just admitting how racist they actually are. They're so threatened by fans of color existing that they use it to treat other people of color poorly?


If you’re the kind of person that feels like embracing racism is the appropriate response to have after you see fans of color talking about how it makes them feel to see characters of color mistreated well… you’ve always been a racist. 

I remember (back when I used to track the “teen wolf fandom problems” tag) seeing people go “well I’d like Scott if not for his fans” and like… 

a) the sentence “I’d like Stiles/Derek if not for their fans” would get you eaten alive in that fandom even though some of the weirdest and rudest BNFs (like ~andartha~ crawled out of that hellhole) because these characters were never allowed to be judged based on their over the top fanbases

b) I saw people who didn’t just hate on Scott because of fans of color defending him or even just creating content with him in it  (part of why I stopped writing TeWo fic when I was in the fandom was because I got so many actually ANGRY comments about how Stiles should be the focus of stories he wasn’t even in), but because Black women were among the most vocal defenders of Scott AND other characters of color in the fandom (having colethew0lf’s misogynoiristic ass giving them a free pass for bigotry because he’s black and hates black women was something they celebrated). 

And it’s like the people who claimed that fandom made them racist (like those people who are like “tumblr made me hate social justice warrirors”) is that they always had that in them. They just created a space where they felt comfortable expressing that. 

In the TeWo fandom, you had so many incredibly popular and powerful blogs who thought nothing of making posts where they shat all over Scott for not being “Latinx enough” or expressing antiblack sentiments about Braeden disguised as (white) feminism once she and Derek hooked up. 

They had their safe spaces. The BNFs that would dive into posts calling out fandom racism in order to defend “freedom of speech and opinion” while dogpiling fans of color with their sycophantic followers. 

Same goes for the Star Wars fandom and Finn. There are BNFs who have thousands of followers and whose distaste for Finn and focus on Kylo/Hux make it safe for smaller fish to be vocal about how much they hate the idea of Black dudes in space and kissing white women (even though that hasn’t even happened yet).

Passionate Iris West, Scott McCall, and Finn fans didn’t make anyone hate the character. People who say that almost always have expressed hatred or dislike (”i don’t know why, but I just don’t like this character”) and then, once called out for making racist posts or even just after seeing someone else get called out, they decide that the best thing to do is to shoot themselves in the foot and declare that fandom forced bigotry to grow inside them. 

 Because passionate and rightfully defensive fans of color are so dang scary that (white) fandom has to protect themselves~

anonymous asked:

What fics are you reading? I have never read a sterek fic that didn't have Boyd as Derek's best friend and support, a man with his own life and personality. Fandom, especially stereks, were the ones outraged by Boyd's death, were the ones making gifsets continuing his story about his search for his sister. The sterek fandom and Derek/Stiles fics fleshed out Boyd more than canon ever did, same with Erica. It's the Scott fics that I find don't mention him. Stereks love Boyd (just like Stiles did).

And yet, how many fics are there about Boyd himself?

How many fics will flesh out endless backstories for Erica and Isaac with nary a mention of Boyd?

How many fics sideline him to focus on Erica and Isaac, or sideline him and Erica both to focus on Isaac?

How often is Boyd anything but Derek’s supportive straight man/foil?

How many of the gifsets about Boyd’s death are actually about Boyd’s death, and how many focus are just about Stiles putting his hand on Derek’s shoulder?

And in what scene does Stiles ever express anything approaching “love” for Boyd?

(Especially in comparison to the scenes between Scott and Boyd? When Scott thought Boyd was in danger, he tried to stop it. Later, Boyd was the one who straight up said he wanted to be a werewolf like Scott, rather than Derek. How often is THAT mentioned in fanfics? Because to date, I’ve never seen that once referenced.)


Most of the shit I’m seeing in my primary fandom right now (Teen Wolf) is the exact same bullshit I saw in my primary fandom of ten years ago (Harry Potter). Hell, most of the problems with the two fandoms’ most popular ships (Sterek and Drarry) are basically the same - the only real difference is that one is built on racism (Sterek) and the other misogyny (Drarry). Otherwise, same exact bullshit.

Nyxie is the reason no one takes Scott/Posey stans seriously anymore

One of many. And like, how are her unfinished crossover fics helping to alleviate the problem?  Oh, they’re not? Hmmm…

Smoke Screen: Racism in fandom

[The following is a modified/corrected transcript of my tweets, found here.]

Do we have a word for white people making fun/targeting other white people in order to get ally cookies and avoid self examination?

I’m working on a post about racism in a fandom and I want to address how often supposed allies do the most direct damage to people of color because they truly believe that liking and shipping characters of color means they aren’t racist and can’t do anything to perpetuate racism.

Meanwhile it is hard work, as a fan of color, trying to find fan fiction featuring characters of color as leads that isn’t riddled with racist micro and macroaggressions. 

The ugly truth is sometimes I read fan fiction about white characters to escape overt racism and “issues stories.” Because even well written and thoughtfully constructed fan fiction about characters of color often still focuses on racism or fetishizes the characters of color. At least I know what I’m getting into with a blatantly white supremacist romances.

In fandom, especially when white fans write about or ship characters of color they elect themselves as saviors and authorities. 

They often deflect any criticism of their work or nuanced discussions about racism in the fandom by rallying people against white ships. “Look how racist they are. Ugh they’re the worst.”

Please note: Straight authors who write slash fan fiction do the exact same thing, even calling gay fans homophobic for not shipping their fave slash ships.

What’s even more telling is how fandom predominately ships men of color, while women of color are largely ignored or sidelined. Or worse, ships with women of color and white men are called homophobic. 

To say nothing of the woeful lack of any ships who don’t involve any white characters. Or how even when there is a ship with only characters of color they’re rarely relationships between only black characters. 

White supremacy is in every fandom, even when they’re writing about people of color. Colorism is especially a prevalent issue in fan fiction centered on characters of color. Where lighter skinned/non-black people of color are defaulted into the dominate, lead role a white character would typically inhabit. They’re the hero, superior, and savior to a darker skinned and/or black character. 

I hate how factual statements about how racism informs shipping and character popularity in fandoms are used to dilute important specific conversations that could be happening. Because, yes, racism is why white characters and white ships are more popular and accessible to fans. Yes, racism informs everyone’s choices in fandom and reactions to the source material, but I’m tired of the conversation ending there.

This discourse is usually just “that’s racist.” The end. Which is fair for fans of color to do. Venting is an important cope mechanism for all of us. I’m doing it right now in this post. 

However, now white fans are using this as an cheat code. Appropriating the pain and experiences of fans of color as ammunition to insult other white fans, and deflect their own responsibility for how they’re complicit. 

Conversations about racism that only discuss fan fiction about white characters, started and steered by white fans is centering discussions of racism on white people. Sidelining and silencing people of color, real or fictional. That’s not progress that’s business as usually for white supremacy. 

So we get mired in the sam old white dominate circular self serving argument. When we could be discussing all the ways we treat, mistreat characters of colors. Or discuss how much less attention and appreciation is given fan works about characters of color, and fan works BY fans of color get verse white fans. 

That’s a real significant issue that none of these white savior fans seem interested in exploring or even owning their privilege as white fans writing about characters of color. 

Don’t even get me started on the horror of being a queer woman of color navigating femslash featuring women of color with white women. The woman of color is always cast as the “butch,” which in most heteronormative femslash means she’s written like a hetero white cis-man often with jealous, sometimes violent rages. While the white woman is the epitome of idealized white femininity with a heavy helping of innocent purity. 

This happens even when canonically the white woman is anything but passive or innocent. In fan fic she is transformed into a lily white ingenue, not unlike how m/f fan fiction traditionally treat white girls. Which is also a feature of white supremacy and misogyny. 

So while all these white fans pat themselves on the back for being so progressive for literally doing the most basic thing anyone could do, see a person of color as lovable, people of color in their fandoms don’t even rate this much consideration.