think about how lonely queer idols must feel… knowing most of their fans would turn on them in a moment if they came out… it’s hard to be an idol in general because majority of fans - even subconsciously - feel like they have some kinda of ownership over you and don’t actually care about your well being… but imagine been closeted queer. not only do they use you but they would actually hate you for just being queer.
i really really hope there comes a day when idols can come out and not be ashamed of who they are. on top of that, im so proud of all of them for having the courage to pursue their dreams and make music despite the bigotry that exists in their very audience
honestly the amount of people that still insist heechul is straight baffles me he straight up said "im not interested in girls~" what more does it tAKE
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I mean, Taeil also said he wasn’t interested in girls (or something to that effect) before catching himself and Zico said Taeil wanted to kiss him and people still think he’s straight.
Yoongi wrote lyrics about giving head to guys and girls and people still think queer fans are making everything up with their evil queer headcanons and queer agenda to make everyone queer.
Jonghyun talked about how he gets guys’ phone numbers when he’s drunk and someone revealed that Zico sits on older men’s laps when he’s drunk (and he also took a picture of himself nuzzling Jay Park’s stomach) and Jimin hit on male fans via twitter and Aoora writes sexually explicit songs that are pretty obviously about guys fucking him but nah everyone in kpop is super duper 100% cishet.
Male idol: *breathes 2 feet away from band member*
het cis fangirls: oH MY GOD DID YOU SEE THAT OH MY GOD THEY ARE DATING THEY LOVE EACH OTHER !!!!1!!1!111!!! I SHIP IT !!!!1!!11!!!!
queer fan: maybe this idol isn’t completely straig-
het cis fangirls: umm excuse me sweaty why are you asuming his sexuality you can’t do that that’s rude :)
I understand that although queer idols exist it must be extremely difficult to come out due to the extreme homophobia of not just South Korea but also many western countries and that even though many fans enjoy slash are actually very homophobic/transphobic and so if anyone were to come out they could not only face huge backlash but also the potential end of their career and possibly their entire group's career. I also understand that staying in the closet is whilst not enjoyable may be safer than being out so whilst there are currently few out queer idols I will continue to support and love all the closeted idols as not just celebrities but also my queer family and I hope they are all comfortable and happy. I also think that it is up to fans international or not to make fandom and life in general safer for not just queer idols but queer fans as well. We are all responsible for our words and actions and I hope that one day more idols will feel safe enough to be able to come out and show that queer people are everywhere and beautiful
I’ve wanted to write this for awhile now, I also know that pride month has just ended so I’m a little late but heyho. This topic is one that I‘ve always wanted to see more people talking about, I’m not going to be talking about the whole of Korea, that’s for another time, I’ll just be focussing on the Kpop scene. I’ll get onto it now.
What has always bugged me about fan culture, especially in the Kpop scene, is the whole ‘shipping but nohomo because if they were really gay that’s gross’ ordeal. Because if you’re willing to opening ship two members, read and write smutty fanfics then you have to be open to the possibility that, those members might actually be queer. Now, it’s no surprise that despite the discrimination and censorship on LGBTQ+ culture, there are actually queer people in Korea, I know, shocker!!
Given that in most places 1 in 10 people are queer, it’s just fact, and given the numerous Kgroups there are; 170+. The number of members varies from around 5-10+ so in total, that’s a lot of Kidols. To go back, 1 in 10 people are queer, that includes that Kpop scene. I’m 100% sure that not all of those idols are straight, like, come on. That means that 1 in 10 idols are queer, (10 may even be a smaller number. I looked but I couldn’t find a definite number/percentage of the gay population in Korea, sorry.)
Considering that the average number of members each group has is about 6-7, it means that statistically, there is at least 1 queer person in each group, this isn’t 100% accurate as some groups might have more or none, hell, a 5 membered group might be primarily made up of queer people; looking at you KNK and A.C.E.
I know that the topic of homosexuality is still taboo in Korea but it is getting better. But what I hate is how Kdramas use homosexuality as a joke, I understand the appeal of a cross dressing drama but when the male lead brushes his confusion in his sexuality off as a joke, it puts a bad image of the community. There are many dramas that do this that I disagree with, however the drama ‘Coffee Prince’, I feel does it right;
The male lead feels himself becoming attracted to what he believes is a man, he questions his sexuality, shuts himself in and consults a doctor who gives him medication as a ‘cure’. As much as I hated that scene, I feel that it shows Korea’s view on homosexuality perfectly, that they believe it to be a disease that can be cured with drugs. The male lead then stops using this ‘cure’ and accepts who his is, a queer man. When the male lead find out that his love is actually a girl, it’s not the typical ‘Oh thank god because for a second there, I really thought I was gay, ha!’, he’s hurt and confused. I just love that the male lead was able to accept his queerness. (Now I have mad respect for Gong Yoo for playing that role)
Something I also want to touch upon is Kidols naivety to what their fans get up to. Granted, many Kidols might not know but I’m pretty sure a lot of them know what makes their fans happy. That’s the whole point of fanservise, sorry to shit over your ships, but Kidols know that skinship between members and other Kidols drives their perverted fans wild and they act on it. Now I’m not saying that your OTP’s really hate each other, they most likely don’t, what I’m saying is that they know if they lean that little bit closer, or grope someone’s butt, it will make their fans happy.
I feel like this plays into the fetishizing of homosexuality though and I hate it. because these Kidols are using homosexuality as a way to make their fans happy, they are completely ignoring that being queer is a real and tough thing. I also know that if they do openly support the LGBTQ+ community, or even come out, they will be slandered for it and in the case of coming out, they will lose their job. So I understand why they don’t speak up, but they should. they are in a position to change peoples opinions, these groups have millions of followers who can differentiate the members by their cough, so I’m pretty sure if fans see their bias’ supporting the LGBTQ+ community, it might spark something in them to change.
Summary: The whole point of this post was to show people that, yes, there is a real, 100% possibility that your bias is queer. and that if they’re not, they might be an ally. I also wrote this to tell fans that you cant ship a m/m or w/w OTP without being an ally to the LGBTQ+ community, it’s just unfair and quite frankly, hypocritical. Thank you, if there is anything I’ve missed or gotten wrong, please tell me.
since I saw you were talking about this earlier I was wondering if you think jimin is bi or gay or non of the above. I feel like he definitely doesn't say really anything about liking men like yoongi does
definitely. he doesn’t explicitly hint at it but, and i don’t know if this is a consistent thing but recently i’ve seen him give gender neutral answers to questions about girls and i’ve read that he’s super chic irl and ????
also he’s been making male idols fall for him left right and centre and you can tell he Thrives on it
What really truly cracks me up about historians trying to deny even the possibility of a reciprocated romantic regardless sexual relationship between Hamilton and Laurens is that they have to censor their letters three times over to convince you! Like the letters themselves are censored by the writers because greek allusions where about as close as one gets to straight up even mentioning being gay/bi, then John C. Hamilton permanently censored many parts including those that were going down a dangerously blatantly sexual path, and even then Massey edits out “by action rather than words” causes its too suggestive??? Like the lines that read as queer on the surface level are not even the things I necessarily read as homoerotic, its the things which when they are put into context- like the whole Adams blames Alex for the Charles/John Mulligan Jr/von Steuben fiasco, the similarities and differences to his correspondence with another close friend Meade, and the way that other immigrants either French or Creole like Alex, Lafayette, or Ternant would have had a different acceptance of sexual male relationships that went beyond “romantic friendship”- THOSE things are what reallllyyyy convinces me that Alex and John had a non-platonic relationship!
Also, “my dear boy” pretty much seals the deal….Theres about a hundred more details that convince me as well, but the one that makes literally no sense in relation to either argument is that we are “over reading it”… cause like even if a modern eye might make a poor assumption it doesn’t mean the opposite is true!
you know what the problem is with saying things like “we shouldn’t assume an idol’s straight but we also shouldn’t assume he’s gay!!” and “we shouldn’t talk about an idol’s sexuality because it’s nosey and not any of our business!!”
you’re shutting down queer kids who are looking for representation and understand the isolation of staying in the closet
you’re overreacting about a relatively small discussion that is happening on personal blogs that will probably never be seen by any idol, let alone the idol(s) they’re discussing
it’s quite literally impossible to completely ignore an idol’s sexuality because idols are expected to be romantic and sexual. idols are pressured to write songs about love and sex so they can be more marketable. idols are constantly asked about their ideal types and what celebrities they find attractive. idols are asked about past relationships and closeness to other idols. idol’s sexualities are always in the spotlight, regardless of what a few fans speculate on their blogs. queer idols are forced to either blatantly lie, out themselves (which could ruin their career), or carefully word their answers, an option that could arise suspicion. they cannot hide from these questions, expectations, and pressures. they are assumed straight and have to play along to some degree to keep their job. so whether or not you want to talk about an idol’s sexuality, an idol’s sexuality will be talked about,whether the idol likes it or not…and that’s just the reality.
if you really think that fans can’t openly discuss an idol’s sexuality on the internet, better strap on your seat belt because with that logic, you also don’t think that shipping, fanfics, and romantic/erotic fanart should exist…straight or queer. what was that?? you want to keep your precious gay ships and raunchy smuts?? so it’s alright to hypersexualize gay men and use the concept of gay men as entertainment because it turns you on…similar to how straight men hypersexualize lesbians and see them as objects of entertainment…but when an actual queer kid suggests an idol’s not straight…you get upset and suddenly this idol is fragile, can see every word that’s spoken in the fandom, and deserves sexual privacy??
yes. queer international fans completely understand that two men being touchy in the korean culture does not equal gay. we understand that two men in any culture does not equal gay. of all people we’d fucking understand that. we’re not pushing our fantasies, hopes, and dreams onto these idols. don’t mistake a few fans who get overexcited about two idols hugging as the entire LGBTQA k-pop fandom. we know there’s more to sexuality than who you hug and cuddle, okay?
all in all, let queer fans discuss idol’s sexualities on their personal blogs that no idol’s going to see on a website with an overall safe and accepting atmosphere. we’re not outing these idols. we’re not trying to spread misinformation and we’re definitely not trying to spread speculations until they reach the media. but as a queer, male fan i’m honestly so tired of people reading/writing paragraphs upon paragraphs of male idols fucking each other in the ass because it gets them off, but then make a huge deal out of a few fans talking about an idol possibly not being straight…and you write this graphic smut without any consent from the idol and put it on a public forum knowing very well that if the idol read it they’d feel uncomfortable and possibly violated, yet you attack queer youth who are openly discussing sexuality with the argument that the idol’s going to somehow see or sense the discussion and be hurt. stop using the concept of queer male idols purely for your entertainment and allow queer fans to talk about sexuality on overall irrelevant posts that these idols will never see.
PSA: Don’t ‘ship’ idols and sexualise every thing two males do together if you don’t actually support the LGBTQ+ community. Don’t. You can’t have it both ways, you can’t use our sexuality as a means of entertainment and to get yourself off, but then turn round and not care about REAL people in these situations.
The amount of bullshit I’ve seen excusing what Jaebum said on Celebrity Bromance is fucking ridiculous. Here’s some words from an Actual LGBT Person: It was homophobic. There’s no misconstruing or people overreacting. Saying you would beat someone up for wanting to take a guy out somewhere is homophobic. I don’t care if he was nervous or it was a joke or you show me a picture of him holding hands with a guy once. It. Was. Homophobic.
If you excuse people’s comments as not serious or just jokes instead of actually calling people out just because you like them as singers, you are being homophobic too. Listen to actual LGBTQ+ people who are telling you this was wrong of him to say instead of taking it as just a part of his personality or his culture because you don’t want ‘drama’. There are real fans who must feel fucking heartbroken at someone they love using threatening language about LGBTQ+ people. It’s not people overreacting. It’s people hearing an idol say something that we hear time and time again out of the mouths of homphobes, and we have every right in the world to be upset and call him out.
If you shrug it off or actively defend him, you don’t support LGBTQ+ people and you can unfollow me right now, and take your shitty attitude and your love of fanfic with you.
Not to really Get Into this but I feel like people are more comfortable in general with new queer characters than letting classic characters be queer because it feeds into the idea that gay people only exist now
Like, acknowledging that classic characters/old favorites might be queer forces people to acknowledge that queer people have always existed, that we’re not just a modern idea, and that forces people to acknowledge the shitty things they’ve always done to queer people throughout history
Not that things are perfect today, obviously! But people tell themselves things are much better now and don’t see queer people as even existing in the past. That and people are uncomfortable with their idols being queer